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Yep. Shoot.
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Let's shoot.
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Very quiet all around, please.
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Victory 88 Charlie,
Take 1. A-mark.
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You like that?
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Three, two, one,
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Standing by.
Here we go.
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Okay. Ready and action.
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on the screen,
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a super high artsy level
in a way.
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of people getting hit by cars
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kind of getting back up
or struggling.
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you know?
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takes care of you,
and it feels authentic.
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that that's in the movies,
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you're like,
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with, like, art envy,
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Scorsese and De Niro.
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had his director, you know?
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then that's what I think of.
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the John Wick role, I had—
I had my director there.
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the stunt performers
come to train.
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for all the John Wicks here.
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and try to keep
the joints working.
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a lot of miles on the body.
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of not just stunt work,
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and the physicality
that I've done.
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both ankles, both knees,
both hips, both shoulders,
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several concussions.
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pain's part of it.
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my dad was very athletic.
Mom was very athletic.
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got up at 6:00.
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we did laps with Mom
in the pool,
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we went for a run with the dogs
or something like that.
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of get up,
go do something physical.
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way back then.
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Chad goes, "What are you doing?
You wanna train?"
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And he's like,
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Like that kind of shit.
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never gravitated towards
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only like ten years old,
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I'm like, "I wanna do that."
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when I was like ten or 11.
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led to the martial art career
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when I was in California
to go to USC.
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who was one of
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in Marina Del Rey.
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trained with Bruce Lee,
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martial art instructors
of the time.
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almost a collegiate setting.
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from all over the world.
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going to school, I would
either jog the four miles
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down to Marina Del Rey
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my weekends down there.
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the floor or whatever.
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the best kickboxer
in that school.
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just beat the crap out of
everybody.
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if we were training kickboxing,
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with the best training drills,
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the best at what we were doing.
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been his thing.
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I had met a few stuntmen
through the Inosanto Academy,
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and Brandon Lee.
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his acting career,
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follow in his father's steps.
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on the planet. Really
talented martial art guy.
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we'd get together,
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hopefully,
was martial art choreography,
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just trying to figure out
how to sell a punch
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big VHS camera, trying
to figure out the angles.
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going, "How did we
not kill each other?"
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coming into the gym one night
before a workout,
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"I fucking got it."
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and he's like, "Look,
they're gonna make The Crow.
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being Eric Draven."
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Like, we were so happy for him.
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Big deal for Brandon
to get that.
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that's kind of how I got
my first big gig in Hollywood.
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at the time and getting ready
for a big bout in Japan,
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to North Carolina
to Carolco Studios,
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The Crow.
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saying there was an accident.
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"He'll be fine. It's Brandon."
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we didn't think anything of it.
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14 hours later.
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They were still
a couple weeks from finishing.
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the director, the studio,
and Linda Lee, Brandon's mom,
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to finish the film.
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and he knew how close
we were to Brandon.
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some stunt work at the time.
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very similar body types.
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is like, "Wow, this could be
really cool to finish, man."
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"What the fuck
are you talking about?"
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"Your friend's dead."
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what my actual head
or mindset was at the time,
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to a little basement
in the studio there,
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two days straight every
daily we could of Brandon.
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talking, sitting,
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mannerism Brandon had.
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the most surreal experiences
you'll ever go through.
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beautiful hair down to here.
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in The Last of the Mohicans.
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through a mutual friend
at one of the first UFC fights.
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at home, and we all
met at somebody's house,
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and we started talking about
martial arts.
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"Hey, I'm up to do
the sequel to Bloodsport."
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"I love Bloodsport.
I'd love to be involved."
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He did one of
the fights with me.
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choreographed that fight.
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Chad was really into trapping.
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I'm a Tae Kwon Do guy.
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my best fight in the movie.
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Bloodsport III came around,
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Chad did at the time
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like, you know,
'90s, like...
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are already great.
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called Perfect Target.
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We shot it in Mexico.
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and visit and wanna hang out
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at a martial arts school
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the Minnesota Kali Group,
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with Dan Inosanto.
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those martial arts
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martial art community,
I was, like, obsessed.
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a lot of my friends
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that he really wanted
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if you wanna be cast,
why don't you come out?
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We'll teach you
how to be a stunt guy."
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to LA for holiday.
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just come to Mexico
and get on a movie set?"
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gonna be working.
It's gonna be weird."
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It'll be cool.
You'll get to see it."
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I was gonna spend on that trip,
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teaching him stunts.
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Couldn't wait.
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Take 2. Take 3. Let's do it.
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a low-budget movie, so they
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like stunt guys
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He'd play the guy
that would cry.
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He'd play the cop.
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"I'll do the part."
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his career kind of took off.
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we ended up getting
a run on television.
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the lead on The Pretender,
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a ton of different guys.
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that was happening too.
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to come to America
in terms of action.
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Buffy the Vampire Slayer
or Martial Law.
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at that time was very cowboy,
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this really specific need
for martial arts stuntmen,
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- That's where we all met.
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martial art doubles
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It was a sci-fi movie.
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and I literally
just went in for an audition,
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Yuen Woo-Ping
and all the guys.
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to Tiger Chen.
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Chinese wushu champion.
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pretty mind-blowing actually.
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Call him Tiger Chen.
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training Keanu Reeves
for all the Matrix movies.
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in wuxia.
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to do the audition in Burbank,
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was it's a Keanu Reeves
sci-fi movie
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Sci-fi movie.
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and audition."
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the Wachowskis, and they say,
"Okay, follow him."
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Wile E. Coyote and just
does the Tasmanian Devil thing.
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martial arts stuff
I've ever seen.
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every kick, every form, everything.
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in jeans and a T-shirt,
dripping in sweat, going,
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a different kind of audition."
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kicking, punching.
Woo-Ping says, "This is good.
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he's training all the time.
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he's just calling me.
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trying to go out and play,
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he was calling me, like—
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- "Can we training?
Can we training?"
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and how much
they had trained him,
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head start, and he was already,
like, really good.
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training to learn, like,
the kung fu and stuff.
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All the wild wirework.
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wasn't huge even in
mainstream stunts at the time,
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from Keanu a lot of the times.
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the choreography a couple
months at least, right?
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Movie kung fu.
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the forms right,
everything looks good.
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There you are helping me out.
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Yeah. Fucking awesome.
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Then he's gonna break his knee
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Before and after.
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so much on that show.
Oh, my God.
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from The Matrix,
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and edit their own stuff.
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and they cut it all together.
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their own stories
in their own sequences."
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"We gotta do this.
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be approaching all this stuff."
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all the martial art
stunt guys together,
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and edit fight scenes
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but also because
we just loved it.
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a scene from Jackie Chan,
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recreate that scene.
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that Chad and Dave
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the camera go there?
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How many shots?
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before we move here?
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Now directors saw
what we can do.
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Directors would request them.
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we started a stunt team.
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a stunt company.
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No. I can tell.
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87eleven was that
it was a one-stop shop.
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an action design company.
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and you get a fight team,
a fight coordinator,
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second unit director,
the whole package in one.
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kind of with this team,
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we trained together.
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See you later. Bye.
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we didn't have a project,
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make us do drills
like we had a project.
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"Choreograph this.
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this martial art.
Let's do this. Let's spar.
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Let's see what happens
when we do this."
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started to get bigger,
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of a coordinator first,
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for me a lot.
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let's step out and narrate this
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Two best friends. Here we go.
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Aw.
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thick as thieves.
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always training together,
always working together.
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very fortunate,
we had a lot of work offers,
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doing his thing.
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a stunt coordinator
and a choreographer as well.
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to the right lead.
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they were like
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but also, like,
tight as can be.
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Chad and I had directed
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He was doing big second units.
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every day
and talking every day.
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for choreography.
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357. He'd be on, like, TRON
and be like, "Hey, how
do I do laser disc things?"
Copy !req
358. And I'd be like, "There's
some ideas," and bounce things
off of each other.
Copy !req
359. You start to realize,
"I'm telling one third
of the story.
Copy !req
360. I might as well tell
the whole story."
Copy !req
361. Dave was already going down
the first unit director
Copy !req
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Copy !req
363. I was still, you know,
pretty content doing
all the second unit stuff.
Copy !req
364. I was really getting the itch,
Copy !req
365. and I was, like, out there
looking to find scripts
and get them developed,
Copy !req
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Copy !req
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left and right,
Copy !req
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the $5 million specials,
Copy !req
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turned everything down.
Copy !req
370. They were waiting
for the right, right project.
Copy !req
371. At the time,
Copy !req
372. I had finally optioned
my first screenplay
to Voltage Pictures.
Copy !req
373. It was 1,500 bucks which,
at the time,
was two months' rent.
Copy !req
374. And I was trying to figure out
what to do next.
Copy !req
375. I remember just kind of going,
"I haven't done
a revenge movie."
Copy !req
376. And our neighbors
were heading out of town,
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just adopted a chorgi,
Copy !req
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puppy named Moose.
Copy !req
379. And I always write
slouched in my chair
with a pillow across my chest,
Copy !req
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slept on the pillow.
Copy !req
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and I'd be like,
Copy !req
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killed this fucking puppy?"
Copy !req
383. We had met Derek
on a general meeting.
I'd read another script of his.
Copy !req
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"I have this action script
I wrote called Scorn."
Copy !req
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reading it that weekend
and emailing Basil.
Copy !req
386. I still have the email,
and it was like, "There's
something about this script.
Copy !req
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I love dogs.
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by any means,
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we should go for it."
Copy !req
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Copy !req
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crazy hook.
Copy !req
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and now I will exact revenge."
Copy !req
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with Paul Newman in mind.
Copy !req
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It was a Robert De Niro type.
Copy !req
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he gets the dog,
and the car is stolen,
Copy !req
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Copy !req
398. The dog was the last tenuous
connection he had to his wife.
Copy !req
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you know, less than two dozen.
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401. that I may have
backed myself into a corner
because of the age.
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"Okay, do you go with
slightly younger?
Copy !req
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what's that age underneath it?"
Copy !req
404. Then we started
thinking about Keanu.
Copy !req
405. Keanu's agent is Basil's
best friend from childhood
and my first boss.
Copy !req
406. And he was like, you know,
"Keanu is looking
for something."
Copy !req
407. He just did 47 Ronin
and was just finished shooting
Man of Tai Chi.
Copy !req
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into his movie star-ness.
Copy !req
409. 'Cause the thing about Keanu,
and a lot of actors like this,
Copy !req
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when he feels like
he's repeating himself,
Copy !req
411. he runs the other way.
Copy !req
412. And sometimes
you have to get an actor
Copy !req
413. when he or she is ready
to give the audience
what they want.
Copy !req
414. And Keanu was at a moment
in time where he's like,
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an action star again."
Copy !req
416. And so we met, and soon
afterwards, he attached
himself to the project.
Copy !req
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of developing the script
Copy !req
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with Derek Kolstad.
Copy !req
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on that first one,
Copy !req
420. and it was slow going,
like page, line by line.
Copy !req
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on other people's dialogue
as he did on himself.
Copy !req
422. At a certain point,
it was like, "Okay,
how much longer could this go?"
Copy !req
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Copy !req
424. And then, always— there's
always an inflection point
on these movies, right,
Copy !req
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develop with an actor,
where you go,
Copy !req
426. "Okay,
can we bring a director on?"
Copy !req
427. And he said yes.
Copy !req
428. But in the period of our
development, couple things
happened, unfortunately.
Copy !req
429. 47 Ronin came out,
and it didn't do well.
Copy !req
430. Man of Tai Chi came out
and disappointed.
Copy !req
431. So the narrative that
Keanu Reeves is an action star
just evaporated.
Copy !req
432. And all of a sudden,
our director list
went from here to like here.
Copy !req
433. We're gonna have to really
work hard to find
a proper director for this.
Copy !req
434. Keanu was like, "Listen,
I'm gonna give the movie
Copy !req
435. to Chad and Dave
for second unit.
They're action directors.
Copy !req
436. What if they directed?"
Copy !req
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from an email,
in the forensics of John Wick,
Copy !req
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Copy !req
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pitched to them
to be the directors
Copy !req
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Copy !req
441. A week before,
you had sent me the script.
Copy !req
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And we had talked.
Copy !req
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Well, you had sent it to me
Copy !req
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For the action. Yeah.
Copy !req
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Well, no,
I had called for action,
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came back to me saying,
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would like to direct it."
Copy !req
448. Oh, no.
I think you smiled and went,
"Yeah, that's why you're..."
Copy !req
449. Yeah. And so,
then I was like, Basil—
Copy !req
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I was...
Copy !req
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Copy !req
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from Basil's email to me,
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453. he wrote, "Best
directors meeting he's had."
Copy !req
454. We put together
this incredible lookbook here,
Copy !req
455. and we started to sort of
build the worlds of John Wick
in the way we saw it.
Copy !req
456. It was a lot more stylized than
I think anyone saw on the page.
Copy !req
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Look at that shot of Keanu.
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Copy !req
459. See, we said
all the right things.
Copy !req
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being a modern fable.
Copy !req
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of visual minimalism.
Copy !req
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he needed an attachment.
Copy !req
463. Yep. And that was a whole week
of casting for Daisy.
Copy !req
464. We wanted
to have a world of,
like, fun cars.
Copy !req
465. We wanted to have sort of
our exploration of action
and gun fu.
Copy !req
466. Yeah, and again, sort of
the love letter
to graphic novels
Copy !req
467. and anime
and all of that that we love.
Copy !req
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Guns, lots of guns.
Copy !req
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New York City. The Continental.
Copy !req
470. They just
didn't talk about the action.
Copy !req
471. They talked about the emotion
Copy !req
472. about what the world
looked like
and about everything.
Copy !req
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Copy !req
474. This is—
It's a pretty damn good
lookbook.
Copy !req
475. You have to remember,
we saw John Wick as like
this tiny little thing.
Copy !req
476. Two stunt guys directing,
like, "No one's ever gonna see
this thing, so fuck it.
Copy !req
477. We'll just try some
weird ideas. We'll use it
like as a training exercise."
Copy !req
478. And, you know,
then they said yes.
Copy !req
479. And now we're like,
"We better know
what we're doing."
Copy !req
480. I remember thinking,
"Oh, my God, we got
these two great action guys
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481. before anyone else
can get them.
Copy !req
482. What a home run."
Copy !req
483. And I'll never forget,
like three weeks
after we hire them,
Copy !req
484. Ed Pressman,
the famous Ed Pressman
who's since passed away,
Copy !req
485. calls me
about something else.
Copy !req
486. And he goes,
"You stole my directors."
I'm like, "What do you mean?"
Copy !req
487. "Yeah, we're about to go
into prep on a movie
that I was producing.
Copy !req
488. They were gonna direct it."
Copy !req
489. I'm like, "What movie?"
Copy !req
490. And they're like...
Copy !req
491. It was a movie
like Midnight Run
with Jean-Claude Van Damme
Copy !req
492. and PSY
from "Gangnam Style."
Copy !req
493. And I'm like,
"Those are the directors I got?
That was the other option?"
Copy !req
494. Uh, the shorter
the beard is, the harder it is
to make it look real.
Copy !req
495. Well, we would want it
to be a bushy one.
Copy !req
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Copy !req
497. I mean, we have to make
some hard choices.
Copy !req
498. I mean,
I was just like pulling,
like what is—
Copy !req
499. I didn't know what exactly.
Copy !req
500. Are they more
in this happiness?
Copy !req
501. Yes, this is
more in their happiness.
Copy !req
502. We're hoping for that.
Okay, okay.
Copy !req
503. And of course,
what I worry about this is,
Copy !req
504. you can see it on this side,
is how patchy that beard is.
Copy !req
505. I mean,
that doesn't bother me.
Copy !req
506. If you guys can live with that,
because if we get that short,
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507. I can't add hairs
to fill that in.
Copy !req
508. That doesn't bother me.
This bothers me.
Copy !req
509. Anything we do
is gonna get a picture taken
Copy !req
510. and sent to people
making a decision.
Copy !req
511. They'll approve
and we'll figure it out.
Copy !req
512. We want the beard.
Copy !req
513. The distributor
wants him not to have a beard.
Copy !req
514. Like he's supposed to be
the Keanu Reeves
of The Matrix.
Copy !req
515. And we're afraid
to shave it off because,
you know,
Copy !req
516. he's done that look
a million times.
Copy !req
517. Unfortunately,
they're distributing the movie
and have sold it foreign,
Copy !req
518. and they know
what their people want, so...
Copy !req
519. I guess nobody cares
what we want.
Asia hates beards.
Copy !req
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Copy !req
521. Asia hates—
That's what they said.
Copy !req
522. If we leave a beard,
no one's gonna see the movie.
Copy !req
523. The movie's gonna flop.
Copy !req
524. Can't be
a first-time director—
Copy !req
525. "First-time directors,
you want to hang it out there
and have a beard? Okay."
Copy !req
526. Bye-bye, John Wick.
Copy !req
527. Partial bye-bye.
We're not going bye-bye
all the way yet.
Copy !req
528. Yeah, no.
It's like,
"Hello, new John Wick."
Copy !req
529. So,
this is the next guard down.
Copy !req
530. Still looks like a beard.
Copy !req
531. That's what
I'm concerned about too,
and what they're gonna think.
Copy !req
532. Looks just like a beard.
Copy !req
533. Go to the next level?
Gotta go to the next level.
Copy !req
534. Go one more down?
Copy !req
535. Well, that's beard.
Copy !req
536. We're all just like,
holding on.
I know.
Copy !req
537. They were pretty
straightforward about...
Copy !req
538. No beard.
Yeah.
Copy !req
539. Yeah.
Copy !req
540. We're going to get
action out of the hair.
Copy !req
541. Gotta get it a little bushy.
Copy !req
542. A little...
Copy !req
543. Okay.
Copy !req
544. Chuck it! Chuck it! Chuck it!
Copy !req
545. The suit
definitely helps.
Copy !req
546. It's all about the suit.
Copy !req
547. It's all about the suit.
Copy !req
548. Tomorrow will be
the first day, right?
Copy !req
549. Tomorrow will be the first day.
Copy !req
550. Tomorrow will be
the first day of photography.
Copy !req
551. We are looking at
the John Wick house,
Copy !req
552. and it's sort of three-quarters
of the way dressed.
Copy !req
553. And we're gonna block
some scenes here
Copy !req
554. and be ready
to shoot tomorrow, hopefully.
Copy !req
555. We're getting on with it.
Copy !req
556. What does it say?
Copy !req
557. We're shooting on Monday?
Copy !req
558. Oh. Peter Lawson.
Copy !req
559. Pete.
Copy !req
560. I'm great.
I just got the email.
Copy !req
561. We are temporarily shut down
until further notice.
Copy !req
562. It seems our equity investor
Copy !req
563. who had to come up with
the 6.5 to cover the gap,
Copy !req
564. um, he's five and a half short.
Copy !req
565. We had some financiers
coming in to gap finance
Copy !req
566. because Lionsgate
presold the international,
Copy !req
567. but there was still a delta
of what we needed
to make the movie.
Copy !req
568. No one was ready to get on board
for the domestic.
Copy !req
569. So it was really
something that, you know,
Copy !req
570. we were gonna
have to figure out
how to find the money.
Copy !req
571. I mean, maybe if
we get Lionsgate on board,
Copy !req
572. and they take the domestic,
and we could
keep moving forward,
Copy !req
573. but I doubt it at this point.
Copy !req
574. I think everyone's
just gonna have to take
a kick in the nuts,
Copy !req
575. and it's all probably
gonna fall apart.
Copy !req
576. That's what I think.
Copy !req
577. I think this is, uh,
the nail in the coffin. So...
Copy !req
578. You think so, really?
Yeah, I do.
Copy !req
579. Wait, hold on.
No, I mean, I do.
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580. I'm not trying
to be dramatic for, you know,
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581. editorial reasons
for our documentary,
Copy !req
582. but I don't know how you find
six-and-a-half million dollars
by Monday.
Copy !req
583. What little
I know of Basil, I know
he's not a quitter, so...
Copy !req
584. He's a bit of a fighter,
so we're not dead yet.
Copy !req
585. We are doomed. I mean,
we are completely fucked.
Copy !req
586. We just had a gigantic hole.
There was just...
The money wasn't coming.
Copy !req
587. And I spoke to my lawyer
and I'm like, "Well, say,
if this movie falls apart,
Copy !req
588. who's gonna sue me?"
Copy !req
589. And he's like, "IATSE, SAG,
the WGA, DGA." This...
Copy !req
590. It was, like, horrendous.
Copy !req
591. And he's like, "Listen,
you gotta just
get this movie made."
Copy !req
592. Say if I was to give you
like six million—
Copy !req
593. Hey, hon?
Can I call you back?
Copy !req
594. I got Keanu on the other line,
so I need to talk to him.
Copy !req
595. Thanks, hon. Bye.
Copy !req
596. Hang on one second.
He's on the phone.
Copy !req
597. Hello.
Copy !req
598. What's going on?
How you doing?
Copy !req
599. Nice.
Did Basil give you a call?
Copy !req
600. He did not, huh?
You haven't talked
to anybody in the office?
Copy !req
601. Excellent. They're
probably stalling on him.
Copy !req
602. It's... Yeah, I...
Fucking...
Copy !req
603. I'm a little
annoyed, so I think
I'll just tell you myself.
Copy !req
604. They've had a problem
with their gap finance.
Copy !req
605. They're coming in.
Copy !req
606. We've recalled everybody,
and they've pushed us again.
Copy !req
607. I'm sure they're scrambling
trying to figure something out.
Copy !req
608. We have a few options around.
Copy !req
609. Luckily, we know a few people,
so we'll try and close the gap
as fast as we can.
Copy !req
610. So we'll get back
to the office probably
in the next 45 minutes,
Copy !req
611. storm into the office
and try to retake the beach.
Copy !req
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Copy !req
613. You know,
Keanu is a little different.
Copy !req
614. When he yells and screams,
it's a good thing.
Copy !req
615. When he gets really,
really, really quiet...
Copy !req
616. Was he getting really quiet?
Copy !req
617. He was the most quiet
I've ever heard him.
Copy !req
618. I reckon we'll lose about
20% of the crew.
Copy !req
619. There's already people gone.
Copy !req
620. A big part
of the production office
Copy !req
621. just stopped coming in to work.
Copy !req
622. But then another part of
the production office came in,
Copy !req
623. and they would come
in my office, and like,
Copy !req
624. "Do you feel confident
the money will come?"
Copy !req
625. And I'm like, "I do."
Copy !req
626. Uh, now, I was lying
because I had no idea.
Copy !req
627. So much so, I had to give
my credit card
to the costume designer
Copy !req
628. to buy wardrobe, and it was
really, really, really dodgy.
Copy !req
629. Any chance of reducing
the budget by
six-and-a-half million dollars
Copy !req
630. and making the movie happen?
Copy !req
631. That script would
look radically different,
Copy !req
632. and then you'd have to go back
to all of your
international buyers
Copy !req
633. and go, "Hey, you paid us,
you know, 250,000
for the rights in Germany,
Copy !req
634. but this is the script
you're getting now."
Copy !req
635. And then everyone can go,
"I don't want that script.
Copy !req
636. - I wanted the one
that I bought."
- Right.
Copy !req
637. And so, you kind of
have to keep the integrity.
Copy !req
638. You can change it.
Copy !req
639. Slightly, but not—
Copy !req
640. Yeah.
Six million dollars.
Copy !req
641. Keanu gave back money,
Chad and I gave back money.
Copy !req
642. Like, we all gave back money
of our salaries
to try and close the gap.
Copy !req
643. I think Keanu had to defer
and write a check...
Copy !req
644. Yeah.
Some of that going on.
Copy !req
645. just to keep
our department heads.
Copy !req
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I would walk to my hotel
Copy !req
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for hours because I was like,
Copy !req
648. "I need to get so tired so
when I get back to the hotel,
I pass out."
Copy !req
649. Because if I don't,
I'm gonna sit there
and I'm gonna be like,
Copy !req
650. "I'm fucked, I'm fucked,
I'm fucked, I'm fucked."
Copy !req
651. We gotta fucking start.
Copy !req
652. If we don't have
guys on planes by Monday,
Copy !req
653. you might as well
cut the end sequence.
It's gonna be a gunfight.
Copy !req
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pushed for seven days
Copy !req
655. and that's like
a half million dollars'
worth of money
Copy !req
656. that just went out
the fucking window
Copy !req
657. when the mo— when we
were 600 short to start.
Copy !req
658. It's a fucking mess.
Copy !req
659. And then,
out of nowhere,
the money came through.
Copy !req
660. Should be fully
financed by tomorrow.
Copy !req
661. Ready to shoot on Friday.
Copy !req
662. We were blessed.
Copy !req
663. It was insane that we
pulled this off
in the amount of time we did.
Copy !req
664. It's gonna be...
This movie's about vengeance.
Copy !req
665. Not John Wick's.
Copy !req
666. Ours.
Copy !req
667. And then we find out
while we're shooting
Copy !req
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was never from this guy,
Copy !req
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Eva Longoria's money.
Copy !req
670. And I didn't tell Keanu
until after the movie wrapped
Copy !req
671. because I didn't want him
to be like, "What the hell
is going on here?"
Copy !req
672. So yeah,
if you look at John Wick 1,
Copy !req
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pretty much saved the movie.
Copy !req
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Copy !req
675. but I think that it
broke a little bit of
Chad and Dave's spirit
Copy !req
676. because they were
first-time directors,
Copy !req
677. and they didn't realize
that sometimes
this is the game.
Copy !req
678. Things happen, especially
in independent movies.
Copy !req
679. And so, we went into shooting
the movie. We were already
exhausted as we started.
Copy !req
680. I mean,
I remember when
I got to New York, and I...
Copy !req
681. You know, I like to visit
the production office.
Copy !req
682. See what's going on.
Yeah.
Copy !req
683. And I took John Saunders,
who was the first AD,
and I was like,
Copy !req
684. "John, let's look at
the board," you know,
the shooting schedule.
Copy !req
685. I remember that.
You wanted to see the schedule.
Copy !req
686. Yeah.
You're a schedule whore.
Copy !req
687. And I was just like,
"How are we...
We can't shoot that.
Copy !req
688. Like, how are we
gonna do that?"
Copy !req
689. I remember you just
were shaking your head.
Copy !req
690. I was like,
"No, we need more days."
Copy !req
691. And he's like, "I know."
I'm like,
"We need to get more days."
Copy !req
692. We could not
wrap our head around
what could go.
Copy !req
693. How do we do that?
How do we do this?
Copy !req
694. And Keanu couldn't,
and the writer couldn't,
Copy !req
695. and the producers couldn't.
Copy !req
696. So we're like,
"We're just gonna make
the movie with less time."
Copy !req
697. You know,
we laugh and joke about
it's just a movie,
Copy !req
698. but we all know, every
crew member knows that
you take it really seriously.
Copy !req
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the best job you can.
Copy !req
700. You don't wanna let down
the people that stuck
their neck out for you,
Copy !req
701. so you put a lot of pressure
on yourself to do it.
Copy !req
702. I mean, at the end of the day,
we had known Keanu
for like the ten years,
Copy !req
703. eight years at the time
from all the Matrixes.
Copy !req
704. But it's still Keanu Reeves.
Copy !req
705. You don't wanna
let this guy down.
Like, he's a pro, man.
Copy !req
706. This is Keanu-fucking-Reeves.
Copy !req
707. Like, you do not
wanna let him down
Copy !req
708. no matter what you think
the movie's gonna be.
Copy !req
709. So we decided to give it
our all and put
a lot of stress on ourselves.
Copy !req
710. Guys,
gotta keep moving.
Gotta keep moving.
Copy !req
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Rolling!
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Copy !req
713. We were just
assaulted with problems.
Copy !req
714. Go, go, go.
Copy !req
715. Shoot, shoot.
Copy !req
716. Problems
from different departments
Copy !req
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Copy !req
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what scenes we can cut.
Copy !req
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what scenes we can cut.
Copy !req
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have time to shoot 'em all.
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721. In low-budget filmmaking,
you have to be
in your own movies.
Copy !req
722. I would like to say this was
a creative choice,
but it was budgetary.
Copy !req
723. And then logistically shooting
in New York problems.
Copy !req
724. Excuse me,
you gotta keep moving.
Active walkway.
Copy !req
725. I think it was just
the movie gods hated us.
Copy !req
726. So we are on the cover
of the New York Post today.
Copy !req
727. Vinny's fine work
in the prop department
is featured.
Copy !req
728. Makeup's fine work.
Hair's fine work.
Copy !req
729. The all-hands-on-deck...
- That really helps.
Copy !req
730. on John Wick 1
was extraordinary.
Copy !req
731. When we went in to start
crewing up, I mean,
we were a tiny little movie.
Copy !req
732. No one was sure if we
were gonna go. So, we couldn't
really book a lot of crew.
Copy !req
733. So, it was catch-as-catch-can
with the crew.
Copy !req
734. We just take interviews
and whoever was
kind of available,
Copy !req
735. whatever we... You know.
Copy !req
736. People had to cut their rates.
Copy !req
737. And then
for the prop department
Copy !req
738. we got, no joke,
Vinny Mazzarella and Joey.
Copy !req
739. Yeah, Joey Coppola.
Joey Coppola.
Copy !req
740. I mean, Vinny Mazzarella
and Joey Coppola,
those were our prop masters.
Copy !req
741. And they were
just the coolest guys,
and they just got it.
Copy !req
742. I mean, Vinny, like,
stopping— Like,
we needed a garbage truck.
Copy !req
743. And he's running on the street.
He's running down the street.
Copy !req
744. 2:00 a.m. in Chinatown
in New York on John Wick 2,
Copy !req
745. we decided we wanted
a garbage truck to come in
the alley and back like—
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746. Yeah, back John Wick up.
Copy !req
747. Vinny just said,
"What do you guys got
in your pockets?"
Copy !req
748. We gave him a couple twenties.
Yeah.
Copy !req
749. He came back in five minutes
with a garbage truck.
Copy !req
750. With a garbage truck.
Copy !req
751. He paid
the city garbage truck driver
a hundred bucks.
Copy !req
752. I mean,
you make connections on films,
Copy !req
753. but the connections
that were made
on this were really special.
Copy !req
754. They were pretty good.
Yeah, we got lucky.
Copy !req
755. Personal and creative.
Yep.
Copy !req
756. You know?
Good people.
Copy !req
757. Loving, who love their work,
who are amazing
at what they do.
Copy !req
758. And they love the pain.
Copy !req
759. And they—
And who love the pain.
Copy !req
760. They love to suffer.
Copy !req
761. Literally the day before
we started shooting,
Copy !req
762. I saw Chad in the corner
like brooding, angry.
Copy !req
763. I went to Dave, I'm like,
"What's Chad upset about?
Copy !req
764. Like, somebody from the movie?"
He's like, "No, it's his wife,"
Copy !req
765. and this and that.
I'm like, "What do you mean?"
Copy !req
766. He's like, "Yeah,
I think they're separating."
Copy !req
767. I'm like,
"Now?" This movie?
Copy !req
768. We just got through hell
financing the movie.
Copy !req
769. I wasn't getting paid.
Copy !req
770. Not only
was I not getting paid,
Copy !req
771. I took money out of our house
to fill some holes.
Copy !req
772. And I'm like, "How can this be?
Copy !req
773. How many more hits
can this movie take?"
Copy !req
774. Hey.
Hey. How are you?
Copy !req
775. And I spoke to Chad about it.
Copy !req
776. I'm just like, "I don't care
what you're going through.
Copy !req
777. You gotta just suck it up
and get through this."
Copy !req
778. And he's like, "Absolutely,
don't worry about it."
Copy !req
779. He's like, "I'll be dark
and self-loathing in private."
Copy !req
780. We went through
a horrible breakup.
Copy !req
781. So I did the whole movie
separated from Heidi.
Copy !req
782. When he's locked in
on something,
Copy !req
783. when he's focused,
it's really hard
to penetrate the wall, right?
Copy !req
784. So, I think in a relationship,
you know, it's hard,
Copy !req
785. because when you're looking
for an emotional connection,
Copy !req
786. or you're looking for
some kind of,
you know, something,
Copy !req
787. and he's just
laser focused on something,
you can't get through.
Copy !req
788. She felt
she needed something more,
Copy !req
789. and fortunately
I agreed with her.
Copy !req
790. And then we managed
to get back together again,
Copy !req
791. of course after post
when I have all this time,
Copy !req
792. only to get divorced
on John Wick 2.
Copy !req
793. So, you can see I'm laughing
at my own complete ineptitude
Copy !req
794. to sort that out
and balance my life.
Copy !req
795. What was really
frustrating for me was that,
Copy !req
796. when we got
our one fucking chance
Copy !req
797. that I personally
had been working on potentially
a lot harder than you
Copy !req
798. to get out there
in the director world,
and you're gonna blow it up.
Copy !req
799. It was hard for me
to be empathetic
'cause it didn't feel fair.
Copy !req
800. Two weeks in,
Basil called me on a Sunday
and was like,
Copy !req
801. "You need to be in New York.
These two are not
talking to each other."
Copy !req
802. I actually thought
that two first-time directors
Copy !req
803. would be better than
one first-time director
because,
Copy !req
804. you know, two sets of hands,
you get more done
than one set of hands.
Copy !req
805. Their disagreements seemed
like it was a progression
Copy !req
806. through the course of shooting.
Copy !req
807. It's almost like
the outside enemy of getting
the film produced was gone,
Copy !req
808. so now
the infighting could start.
Copy !req
809. I remember they spent
an hour fighting over
colors of bedsheets.
Copy !req
810. Fucking, it's supposed to be
a fucking cool, hip place
where you wanna be.
Copy !req
811. And it's like
a fucking lavender
purple fucking thing.
Copy !req
812. You know, in retrospect,
I was naive to be surprised.
Copy !req
813. I think we
probably argued every day.
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814. But I don't think
it was an actual argument.
Copy !req
815. I think it was we were both
stressed out,
Copy !req
816. and we kind of took it out
each other 'cause when you
love each other,
Copy !req
817. those are the people
you take it out on first.
Copy !req
818. You know what,
do your fucking job.
Copy !req
819. Making that movie
was like watching my parents
get divorced.
Copy !req
820. We would wrap at like 3:00
in the morning, and I
would like cry walking home,
Copy !req
821. being like, "What is this?"
Copy !req
822. It's horrible, man.
Copy !req
823. It's like Mom and Dad fighting
all the time.
I'm gonna need counseling.
Copy !req
824. They're busy thinking.
Copy !req
825. I think they're working out
their information for the day
Copy !req
826. in their heads, maybe.
Copy !req
827. At least that's what
I'm hoping that they're doing
during the silence.
Copy !req
828. It wasn't about creativity.
It was about management styles.
Copy !req
829. And I think that Chad,
Copy !req
830. he gets a lot of juice
by blowing things up
for a second
Copy !req
831. and then having people run
to put them back together.
Copy !req
832. And I just
don't operate that way.
Copy !req
833. Do you like this
or do you like that?
Copy !req
834. Does he put anything in his...
He takes his coffee black?
Copy !req
835. Black like his snot.
Like his soul.
Copy !req
836. Like his soul.
Copy !req
837. How about that.
Copy !req
838. Is he
a single serving kinda guy?
Copy !req
839. The irony of John Wick 1
was Chad and Dave were really,
Copy !req
840. really, really comfortable
with the action sequences.
Copy !req
841. The dramatic sequences
and the acting sequences,
Copy !req
842. they were less so,
because they'd never really
done it.
Copy !req
843. And so,
it was a strange paradox
from what you usually deal with
Copy !req
844. from first-time directors.
Copy !req
845. Usually, first-time directors
get overwhelmed by
action sequences,
Copy !req
846. and the performance stuff
comes naturally.
It was flipped on this movie.
Copy !req
847. I think we shot
inside the house for like
nine days, or seven days.
Copy !req
848. Yeah. No, we camped out there.
There was a lot of John Wick
moping around,
Copy !req
849. and we're like,
"This is the character."
Copy !req
850. Remember how much we did?
Yeah.
Copy !req
851. Because he's
breaking up you two, right?
Copy !req
852. He's breaking up your...
Copy !req
853. Dave and I were so nervous
Copy !req
854. that they were only
going to see us as stunt guys.
Copy !req
855. We can't focus on the action.
We have to focus
about the acting,
Copy !req
856. and the emotion,
and the pain
that this man is suffering.
Copy !req
857. So we spent nine days
of a very small budget,
Copy !req
858. very small schedule movie
of Keanu moping around,
Copy !req
859. of Keanu cleaning out
the closet and packing
his wife's clothes up,
Copy !req
860. and sitting there
staring into the darkness
and the abyss.
Copy !req
861. I remember like on day three,
Keanu didn't say a word
for three days.
Copy !req
862. He'd wake up,
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863. brush his teeth,
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864. look into a mirror,
Copy !req
865. go across the floor,
Copy !req
866. fill a dog bowl,
Copy !req
867. say, "Come over here,"
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868. wake up,
Copy !req
869. and the footage
was like mind-numbingly boring.
Copy !req
870. And it was endless.
Copy !req
871. You have a lot of John Wick
eating cereal by himself.
Copy !req
872. Book making, right?
Remember he did
book restoration?
Copy !req
873. I forgot that.
We wanted to show something,
that he's very precise...
Copy !req
874. Precise.
Methodical.
Copy !req
875. So we shot for like two days
of Keanu doing bookbinding.
Copy !req
876. That's how terrified we were
of being pigeonholed
as action guys.
Copy !req
877. Oh, the kick in the head.
Copy !req
878. I like
this reaction.
I do too.
Copy !req
879. You don't see that reaction
a lot with, you know,
like that kind of spasmy thing.
Copy !req
880. You know, you fucking
vapor lock when you're
in fucking pain.
Copy !req
881. - Oh, right,
killing the dog.
- Yeah.
Copy !req
882. Oof.
Copy !req
883. You should have heard
that test screening
the first time. Oof.
Copy !req
884. Never won that audience back.
Copy !req
885. Oh, yeah?
Oh, yeah.
Copy !req
886. Our first test screening—
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887. How'd that go?
That dog— That dog went.
Copy !req
888. The audience went quiet,
Copy !req
889. and people were walking out.
Copy !req
890. The movie
was still pretty rough.
It was still really long.
Copy !req
891. But yeah, it got weird.
Copy !req
892. It is one of the most
famous principles in Hollywood
Copy !req
893. is you never kill a dog.
Copy !req
894. As soon as a dog is killed,
Copy !req
895. you almost always are losing
a big chunk of the audience.
Copy !req
896. Oh, yeah, the blood shot.
Yeah, blood shot.
Copy !req
897. The puppy crawled his way
back to his owner
before he died.
Copy !req
898. When these dailies got back,
Copy !req
899. we actually got
a stern talking to about,
Copy !req
900. "Oh, fuck, you guys. What are
you— like, what the fuck
are you guys doing?"
Copy !req
901. You cannot kill the dog.
Copy !req
902. "You're doing puppy porn,
like, gore."
Copy !req
903. I'm like, "No, man, we got
the baby lens on. It's going
to be really artistic."
Copy !req
904. They're like, "The puppy's
intestines are on the floor."
Copy !req
905. I'm like, "It's not intestines.
It's just blood."
Copy !req
906. We had a whole
argument about that shot.
Copy !req
907. I remember shooting
the dog's death,
Copy !req
908. and Keanu was on the floor
crying with
this stuffed beagle.
Copy !req
909. And at that moment,
you're like,
Copy !req
910. "This is either genius or,
Copy !req
911. like, the worst thing
I've ever made."
Copy !req
912. We always knew
we were gonna do it.
Copy !req
913. Oh, yeah.
I mean,
it's the movie.
Copy !req
914. There were others that kept
trying to talk us out of it,
Copy !req
915. but we're like, "No,
we got to kill the"--
Copy !req
916. You got to—
Where's the movie?
Copy !req
917. Yeah, we didn't
have a movie
without the puppy.
Copy !req
918. No, you got to
kill the puppy so
you're killing the attachment.
Copy !req
919. But I think there was
more talks about that.
Copy !req
920. There was that and then
killing Alfie at the end.
Copy !req
921. You can't just kill Alfie Allen
cold-blooded like we did,
Copy !req
922. 'cause that's
pretty icy fucking cold.
Copy !req
923. Iosef, got to go.
You can't kill the puppy.
Copy !req
924. And his wife—
Puppy's gotta go.
Copy !req
925. And his wife has to—
We have to find out
Copy !req
926. that his wife
was poisoned by the bad guys.
Copy !req
927. No, the wife has to die.
Copy !req
928. Those were the three notes we
got back from certain peoples.
Copy !req
929. Even the night we were doing
the puppy, we knew
we had something good when—
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930. I think because we shot that
push-in over the blood first.
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931. Yeah.
Copy !req
932. And then,
you're just petting the puppy.
Copy !req
933. Yeah.
Copy !req
934. We're like, "That's awesome.
Copy !req
935. That's going in the movie."
Copy !req
936. And there was a lot of talk
behind monitors that,
Copy !req
937. like, "Oh, no, we got to shoot
a second... a second version."
Copy !req
938. Chad wasn't much of
a dog person back then.
Copy !req
939. Now he's got dogs,
and he's a dog person,
Copy !req
940. and he's embraced them,
and he's done movies with dogs,
Copy !req
941. and he's trained them
since they were puppies,
Copy !req
942. and they bite people in the
neck and the balls and shit.
Copy !req
943. But he never had dogs
back in John Wick.
Copy !req
944. Like, he wouldn't go, like,
Copy !req
945. "Chad's gonna direct this
heartwarming movie about a dog,
Copy !req
946. a guy and his dog."
Copy !req
947. That would have not been
Chad's first choice.
Copy !req
948. Which is partly why it was so
easy to kill the dog, maybe.
Copy !req
949. He was just like,
"We just get rid of the dog,
Copy !req
950. then I don't have
to direct a dog."
Copy !req
951. And now it's funny.
Copy !req
952. All there are are dogs.
Copy !req
953. If that's the journey
that Chad's taken away,
Copy !req
954. like he's become a dog lover,
then I'm glad
we created John Wick.
Copy !req
955. Because it's huge for me.
Copy !req
956. There's a guy that could be
getting a bead on you here.
Copy !req
957. Which is why
you're hauling ass...
Copy !req
958. Okay.
It's more like,
"Oh, fuck."
Copy !req
959. Sometimes people ask us,
"What shot in John Wick 1 is
Dave's and what shot is yours?"
Copy !req
960. I'm like,
"I don't fucking know."
Everything was a conversation.
Copy !req
961. He'd be setting up A camera,
I'm setting up B camera.
Copy !req
962. It was just such
an organic process. We'd
worked together so many times.
Copy !req
963. We just knew this is
what we ought to do. We gotta
get this done. Let's go.
Copy !req
964. Let's come up
with the best idea.
Copy !req
965. Dave had a much
more grounded sensibility.
Copy !req
966. I was influenced more
by Tolkien
and Japanese anime and manga.
Copy !req
967. And Dave wanted to be more
grounded, gritty, emotional.
Copy !req
968. We gotta make it painful.
Copy !req
969. So we both saw the movie
in different ways
Copy !req
970. and we landed
in that sweet spot.
Copy !req
971. Especially in the time period
with all the shaky cam
stuff going on.
Copy !req
972. That's why John Wick clicked.
Copy !req
973. Dave and Chad created that— we
called it the John Wick style,
Copy !req
974. which was like long takes
and 30-beat fight scenes
Copy !req
975. where you're doing
like judo/jujitsu
with a gun in your hand.
Copy !req
976. That was something
created out of necessity
Copy !req
977. because of lack
of time and money.
Copy !req
978. When you do
the punches and kicks,
you need the coverage, right?
Copy !req
979. You need over the shoulder.
You gotta sell the hit.
Copy !req
980. And we just didn't
have that kind of time.
Copy !req
981. So we all talked about, "Well,
how are we gonna do this?"
Copy !req
982. Well, we're gonna take judo
and aikido and like—
Copy !req
983. Wick is kind of the guy
that's going to grab you.
Copy !req
984. If I got your collar...
Yeah, you got him.
Copy !req
985. it was over.
Yeah, he got you.
Copy !req
986. It was over.
Copy !req
987. But that's
the vibe we wanted.
It was over.
Copy !req
988. It was just like if I got
a collar, inside, anywhere,
Copy !req
989. if I got a collar coming—
it's just like,
"We're going, bye."
Copy !req
990. You have no choice.
You're in the machine.
Copy !req
991. You're going down.
You're spinning.
You're being twisted.
Copy !req
992. But you had thought
about using that before
you did John Wick—
Copy !req
993. Yeah, we just never really
had the character for it.
Copy !req
994. You kind of implemented me
into like, "Let's see
if this can work."
Copy !req
995. Yeah, well, we had—
Take actor.
Copy !req
996. And experiment.
And experiment.
Copy !req
997. "Oh, yeah, he'll do it. I know
that guy. He'll come to train."
Copy !req
998. We had the close-quarter
choreography kind of worked out
with the gun stuff.
Copy !req
999. We just couldn't find
the test subject.
Yeah.
Copy !req
1000. Once John Wick came about,
Chad and Dave
right away were like,
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1001. "Bring up the Safe footage.
Bring up the Safe concepts.
Copy !req
1002. That's Wick right there."
Copy !req
1003. Back in the day, we
used to do— well, we still do.
Copy !req
1004. We do a lot of
Jason Statham films.
Copy !req
1005. I remember there's one
movie called Safe.
Copy !req
1006. And we were designing
concepts for that film.
Copy !req
1007. And Chad challenged everybody
to combine jujitsu
and judo with gun stuff.
Copy !req
1008. And if you look back
at the Safe previses,
Copy !req
1009. it's all the moves and all
the style of John Wick 1.
Copy !req
1010. For gun fu,
you did the mix of airsofts
Copy !req
1011. and use visual effects
for the muzzle flashes
and blood spurts.
Copy !req
1012. Because back in the day,
we were using blanks,
real guns to shoot.
Copy !req
1013. So you can't do
close quarter stuff.
It's dangerous.
Copy !req
1014. At a certain range,
it's still lethal.
Copy !req
1015. Usually it's like,
once you fire a gun,
you cut.
Copy !req
1016. And show the guy
firing the gun,
Copy !req
1017. and then you're on
the reverse so you know
you're in the safe zone.
Copy !req
1018. So we're doing shots
that aren't cut
right in front of each other,
Copy !req
1019. shooting each
other point-blank.
Copy !req
1020. When they cut it together
and put the muzzle flash
Copy !req
1021. and the blood splatter on it,
we all were like, "Oh, shit."
Copy !req
1022. It was cooler than anything
we were doing in any movies
we were working on.
Copy !req
1023. We sent it to Chad
and he damn lost his mind.
Copy !req
1024. And I was
looking at it like,
Copy !req
1025. "Dude, we got to get this
in a freaking movie.
Copy !req
1026. Like, this is insane.
This is awesome."
Copy !req
1027. What's funny is
we all thought Jason
would murder that.
Copy !req
1028. Like, he's so good at action,
that should be easy.
Copy !req
1029. And in classic Jason style,
Copy !req
1030. love him to death,
he had notes,
he had thoughts.
Copy !req
1031. You know, maybe he
didn't want this. Maybe it was
a little too stylized.
Copy !req
1032. I don't know what it was,
but for some reason,
Copy !req
1033. Statham didn't
gel with the style.
Copy !req
1034. I was kind of like, "You got
to be shitting me right now.
Copy !req
1035. This is the coolest stuff
I've seen in so long."
Copy !req
1036. That being said, they ended up
doing some small pieces of it.
Copy !req
1037. If you watch Safe,
there's a little bit
hand-to-hand.
Copy !req
1038. It's the introduction of it,
you know, in that one fight
in the restaurant.
Copy !req
1039. There's just like
a couple moments where, like,
you see gun fu come to life.
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1040. But I think at that point,
Chad was like, you know,
"Fuck this.
Copy !req
1041. We're holding this
until we get our shot.
Copy !req
1042. Like, we're not letting
anyone else
see this, because..."
Copy !req
1043. He was right.
It was gonna
blow people away.
Copy !req
1044. And I mean, we were so
excited to put it into Wick.
Copy !req
1045. Like, we couldn't wait.
Copy !req
1046. It's funny because
even though they're both
great action icons,
Copy !req
1047. Jason's a bad-ass
physical specimen too,
Copy !req
1048. it just looked different
when Reeves was doing it.
Copy !req
1049. If you say gun fu,
you automatically think
Keanu Reeves.
Copy !req
1050. It's his style.
Copy !req
1051. The great thing about Keanu is,
I mean,
he was just such a stud.
Copy !req
1052. He does like 98%
of all his fighting.
Copy !req
1053. His stunt double comes in
only when there's something
really sketchy,
Copy !req
1054. like me throwing
him over the balcony.
Copy !req
1055. He's so good. It's amazing.
Copy !req
1056. One, you go right here.
Grab.
Copy !req
1057. I remember
Chad and Dave
coming up to me saying,
Copy !req
1058. "Daniel, pad up."
Copy !req
1059. I'm like,
"What do you mean?"
Copy !req
1060. We're doing masters,
you know,
Copy !req
1061. where you do the fight
from the beginning
to the end, no cuts.
Copy !req
1062. And I really haven't done that
in a long time.
Copy !req
1063. And they're like,
"We don't have the time.
Pad up."
Copy !req
1064. Go, go, go, go.
Copy !req
1065. We shoot a master,
and I remember me
and Keanu's double, Jackson,
Copy !req
1066. we were both so exhausted.
Copy !req
1067. But it turned out
to be a really good fight.
Copy !req
1068. We're rolling, guys.
Copy !req
1069. I think it came out better
than we had ever thought.
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1070. Because you've
made it a character.
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- Right.
Copy !req
1072. This is where John Wick
got to be like,
Copy !req
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Copy !req
1074. Yeah.
Like, holy shit,
it worked.
Copy !req
1075. Yeah, but I mean,
I think that ties
into your philosophy
Copy !req
1076. and David Leitch's
philosophy
Copy !req
1077. coming out of the school
of the Wachowskis
with the Matrix
Copy !req
1078. was that character
drives the action.
Copy !req
1079. The story of the action,
Copy !req
1080. the character of the action
has to be
so connected to story.
Copy !req
1081. Last take of John Wick
principal photography.
Copy !req
1082. All right, that's a wrap
on principal
and additional photography.
Copy !req
1083. Thank you all very much.
Copy !req
1084. Good job...
Copy !req
1085. Hey, Dave, you
just directed your first movie.
Copy !req
1086. What are you gonna do now?
Copy !req
1087. Smoke crack.
Copy !req
1088. To everybody that
said we couldn't do it.
Copy !req
1089. We thought
the hard part
was gonna be training Keanu
Copy !req
1090. and killing it
with cool action.
Copy !req
1091. We wrapped, we were like,
"Oh, my God,
we did it. We're in the clear."
Copy !req
1092. And then there's this thing
we found out called post,
Copy !req
1093. where you actually
have to find the movie.
Copy !req
1094. If you want
distance, you got distance
right there. Look at that.
Copy !req
1095. I think post
was where I had
the biggest learning curve,
Copy !req
1096. because you don't really do it
as a second-unit director.
Copy !req
1097. And then cut to the
fast outside like...
Copy !req
1098. We cut the assembly
and we thought,
"Oh my God, we did it."
Copy !req
1099. We watched the assembly
and we're like, "What the fuck?
This is terrible.
Copy !req
1100. Like, this is—
We're gonna never work again."
Copy !req
1101. We showed it
to some friends and family,
and they're just going, "Yeah."
Copy !req
1102. Tapping us on the shoulder,
"Good job, guys. Yeah, yeah.
Copy !req
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Copy !req
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It was like,
Copy !req
1105. "Guys, it's too long.
It's too long. It's too long."
Copy !req
1106. The first cut of John Wick,
he was moping around his house.
Copy !req
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Swedish noir movie.
Copy !req
1108. It was very blue.
He's crying, making coffee.
Copy !req
1109. And you're like, "Okay.
I don't—"
Copy !req
1110. I think people are— They're
gonna wanna know when he's
gonna start killing people.
Copy !req
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to the script so tight
Copy !req
1112. that I think we fought
everybody for the first four,
five weeks.
Copy !req
1113. It's sometimes harder when
you're like, "No, but this
is the way I saw it,
Copy !req
1114. and I just need to see it
that way until I don't see it
that way. Then I can..."
Copy !req
1115. You know, and I'm like,
I've already
forgotten about that way
Copy !req
1116. 'cause this way
is already so cool.
Copy !req
1117. Basil, he got mad at us
for being so depressed.
Copy !req
1118. He's like, "What the fuck you
guys doing? Like, get to work."
Copy !req
1119. We're like, "Well,
it's terrible. We failed."
Copy !req
1120. He's like,
"That's your assembly.
Copy !req
1121. Like, now you gonna go
make the movie, guys.
Copy !req
1122. Like, you got 20 weeks.
You know, hurry up. Go."
Copy !req
1123. We're like, "I guess
this is directing, huh?"
Copy !req
1124. You know, they had to
figure out the film in the cut,
Copy !req
1125. and then the battles that
you have to fight with
the show business part of it.
Copy !req
1126. You know, what do other
people think of the movie
Copy !req
1127. that you thought you made?
Copy !req
1128. "There's too much action."
"Not enough action."
Copy !req
1129. "You can't really kill
the dog."Wait, what?
What's the ending?"
Copy !req
1130. "The ending doesn't work."
Gotta redo it, you know.
Copy !req
1131. And I'm sure they had a lot of,
you know,
"Is this fucking terrible?"
Copy !req
1132. We kind of found the movie
very, very slowly.
Copy !req
1133. It was very slow.
But yeah, we were panicked.
Copy !req
1134. You know, at the time,
remember,
it was all about fast editing
Copy !req
1135. and shaky cam and all
that stuff. And we didn't have
a single shaky cam.
Copy !req
1136. Our stuff was very
slow and with no VFX.
Copy !req
1137. Yeah, we thought
the movie was terrible.
Copy !req
1138. Everybody but Keanu.
Copy !req
1139. Keanu and Basil were just like,
"No, just keep hammering.
Copy !req
1140. Keep going. We'll see you
in a couple weeks."
Copy !req
1141. Part of it is
like your baby, you know?
Copy !req
1142. It's the art you created
Copy !req
1143. and you're really into it
and you're excited.
Copy !req
1144. But then you're feeling
like self-conscious about,
Copy !req
1145. "Is this moment
gonna be cheesy?
And are people gonna like it?"
Copy !req
1146. And I know I like it, but I've
got to put it out in the world.
Copy !req
1147. And it's all of that confidence
and insecurity colliding.
Copy !req
1148. I gotta believe in myself,
but I also gotta deliver this
Copy !req
1149. to an audience
and it's gotta work.
Copy !req
1150. We previewed
the movie for the first time.
Copy !req
1151. And the audience didn't know
what to make of the movie.
Copy !req
1152. They're like, "What is this?
It's like Keanu
depressed and crying.
Copy !req
1153. And what is happening here?
It's supposed to be
an action movie."
Copy !req
1154. And I'll never forget, it was
the most important moment
Copy !req
1155. in the entire
Wick franchise history
Copy !req
1156. where Michael Nyqvist
calls John Leguizamo...
Aurelio speaking.
Copy !req
1157. and says...
I heard you struck my son.
Copy !req
1158. And John says...
Yes, sir, I did.
Copy !req
1159. Because he stole
John Wick's car, sir,
Copy !req
1160. and, uh, killed his dog.
Copy !req
1161. And
Michael Nyqvist just goes...
Copy !req
1162. Oh.
Copy !req
1163. - And the entire
audience laughed.
- Okay, we have them.
Copy !req
1164. It's the greatest performance
ever in a movie
where someone says...
Copy !req
1165. Oh.
Copy !req
1166. And I realized, okay,
they finally got it.
Copy !req
1167. We're supposed to have fun.
This movie is crazy.
Copy !req
1168. And from that moment on,
it played great.
Copy !req
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Copy !req
1170. they give you these little
questionnaires to fill out.
Copy !req
1171. And the first
question was like,
Copy !req
1172. "Do you think
the killing of the dog
justifies all this death?"
Copy !req
1173. And we divided it up
by demographics.
Copy !req
1174. And I remember the men were
only on board at about 60%.
Copy !req
1175. But like 98% of the women
were like, "Kill 'em all."
Copy !req
1176. Because they knew it
was not about a dog.
Copy !req
1177. We had
a really cool movie.
Copy !req
1178. We had a movie
that I think we were all like,
Copy !req
1179. "Boy, there's like
a world there
that we never realized."
Copy !req
1180. And Ian McShane and
Lance Reddick really popped.
Copy !req
1181. And Willem Dafoe was just cool.
We pulled it off.
Copy !req
1182. And we should have a number
of domestic studio offers
Copy !req
1183. because this movie
really works.
Copy !req
1184. And then, we started to
screen it for the studios,
and everybody passed.
Copy !req
1185. - Literally everybody passed.
- We didn't sell it?
Like, nobody wants it?
Copy !req
1186. Like, this is better than
so many movies that I've
been asked to fix.
Copy !req
1187. It was heartbreaking.
Copy !req
1188. I misread the marketplace,
Copy !req
1189. and I put these people
in a really tough spot
Copy !req
1190. because I advocated
making this movie
Copy !req
1191. and put this movie together
that no one will ever see.
Copy !req
1192. But someone at Lionsgate said,
"You know what? Fuck it.
Copy !req
1193. We might as well
take the domestic
Copy !req
1194. because we've already got the
territories for international."
Copy !req
1195. There was a separation
between church and state
at Lionsgate at the time.
Copy !req
1196. There was a domestic piece
and the foreign piece.
Copy !req
1197. Lionsgate had only
sold the film foreign.
Copy !req
1198. And so Lionsgate bought it,
but for no MG,
for zero dollars,
Copy !req
1199. which is, you know,
not a great deal.
Copy !req
1200. I'm like, "Okay,
that's better than nothing."
Copy !req
1201. They're not believing in it.
They're not
guaranteeing us theaters.
Copy !req
1202. But then out of nowhere,
their head of marketing
sends this trailer
Copy !req
1203. that is awesome.
Copy !req
1204. No!
Copy !req
1205. And he's like,
"I could sell this thing."
Copy !req
1206. This feels like
a Lionsgate movie.
Copy !req
1207. You working again?
Copy !req
1208. No, just sorting
some stuff out.
Copy !req
1209. Let's figure out how to do
this movie, and we are gonna
do a wide release.
Copy !req
1210. And then
something else happened
which was like a miracle,
Copy !req
1211. but there was
a slot open in October.
A movie fell out.
Copy !req
1212. There was this wide-release
action movie called Kingsman,
Copy !req
1213. and for whatever reason,
they have moved the date
to next spring.
Copy !req
1214. There's this opening here
in October. Let's go for it.
Copy !req
1215. Then we were like,
"Okay, well,
Copy !req
1216. we need to somehow let
people know about this movie
Copy !req
1217. that's about to come out
in two months."
Copy !req
1218. And so, the marketing team
says, "You know what?
Copy !req
1219. We could premiere it
at the Fantastic Fest
Film Festival in Austin,
Copy !req
1220. and that would be like
a week or two
before our opening weekend."
Copy !req
1221. We've worked on so many
big action movies before,
Copy !req
1222. and we've mentored under
a lot of great directors.
Copy !req
1223. And it's been—
It's really incredible
to get a chance to,
Copy !req
1224. like, show people what we
can do storytelling-wise
and action-wise.
Copy !req
1225. We show the movie,
blow the roof off the place.
Copy !req
1226. People freak out.
Twitter-space goes nuts.
Copy !req
1227. Fanboys went apeshit for it.
They love it.
Copy !req
1228. Then all of a sudden,
reviews start coming in.
Copy !req
1229. Reviews are fantastic.
Everyone's saying,
Copy !req
1230. "This is not just
a typical action movie.
This is inspired."
Copy !req
1231. I was more surprised
that nobody wanted it
in that buyer screening
Copy !req
1232. than I was when we showed it
for the fanboys,
Copy !req
1233. who I kind of deep down
knew would like it
because I'm one of them.
Copy !req
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we didn't even really have
a theatrical release.
Copy !req
1235. It was gonna just
go straight to video.
Copy !req
1236. And the next minute,
it's like 1,200 screens.
It's pretty awesome.
Copy !req
1237. It was a huge win
for all of us, huge.
Copy !req
1238. But there was one thing
about that first movie
that I was so happy for.
Copy !req
1239. It reminded the audience
why they love Keanu.
Copy !req
1240. And it reminded them
that he was a movie star.
Copy !req
1241. People keep
asking if I'm back.
Copy !req
1242. Yeah,
I'm thinking I'm back.
Copy !req
1243. And now, you have
an opportunity for a sequel.
Copy !req
1244. But if we make John Wick 2
and it comes out in six years,
Copy !req
1245. it doesn't have the same value
in the audience.
Copy !req
1246. I knew at this moment in time,
we cannot slow down
Copy !req
1247. with the idea of
if we're making a John Wick 2.
Copy !req
1248. We couldn't come up
with an idea,
Copy !req
1249. and Chad and I were attached
to this other project
Copy !req
1250. that I was really
falling in love with,
Copy !req
1251. The Coldest City, which is
now called Atomic Blonde.
Copy !req
1252. I thought we could do it
first together.
Copy !req
1253. And I don't know,
Chad felt like he really
wanted to do Wick 2 next.
Copy !req
1254. And part of me was like,
I want to do Wick 2.
Copy !req
1255. But I know there's nobody
they could hire
that could do Wick 2.
Copy !req
1256. We just— It was such
a unique thing
that we'd created together.
Copy !req
1257. It was either
Chad or me or nobody.
Copy !req
1258. Like, who are they gonna hire
to do Wick? And I'm like,
we have time to do Wick.
Copy !req
1259. This has Charlize.
It's ready to go.
Copy !req
1260. And we can go
make another movie,
you know, and come back
Copy !req
1261. and make Wick 2
when we have a great idea.
Copy !req
1262. And he was like, "Yeah, yeah,
yeah," for a while. And then
he started to get cold feet.
Copy !req
1263. And I think he really
wanted to stay
in the Wick world.
Copy !req
1264. And he— And although
we didn't have a script,
Copy !req
1265. he's like, I think he
really wanted me to stay, too.
Copy !req
1266. I think Dave wanted to
direct on his own. We all
want to direct on our own.
Copy !req
1267. That's directing.
We all want to be on our own.
Copy !req
1268. The co-directing thing,
if we did three films
together like that,
Copy !req
1269. yeah, we would have done
three films together like that.
Copy !req
1270. Long and short of it,
I just went to Chad,
Copy !req
1271. and I said, "I want to
direct Coldest City."
Copy !req
1272. Um, and he's like,
"Keanu's got a window. I'm
doing this at the same time.
Copy !req
1273. So, you got to choose.
And I'm like,
"Coldest City."
Copy !req
1274. He was just like, "What?
You're gonna do that?
Copy !req
1275. You're gonna leave
our franchise behind?"
I think he felt like that.
Copy !req
1276. I think he
probably said those words.
Copy !req
1277. It was a big blow. It was—
It was like, oh, my God.
Copy !req
1278. At the time,
I was fucking furious.
Copy !req
1279. I was like,
"Are you out of your mind?
Like, this is a franchise.
Copy !req
1280. Like, we're the luckiest people
in the world.
What are you doing?"
Copy !req
1281. It was very dramatic.
Copy !req
1282. And that was the straw.
Like, that was like, okay.
Copy !req
1283. To me, it sort of felt like
people became
Team Dave or Team Chad.
Copy !req
1284. It's not like Chad ever said,
"Don't work with Dave."
Copy !req
1285. Dave was still
a very integral part
of who we all were,
Copy !req
1286. 'cause to us, he was Dave,
no matter what he was to Chad.
Copy !req
1287. When he left,
it was more just like,
"Oh, man, I miss Uncle Dave.
Copy !req
1288. He was the cool one."
Copy !req
1289. So, yeah,
you feel a little bit like,
Copy !req
1290. "Is it me? Is it them?
Is it that?" You know.
Copy !req
1291. It felt like I was an asshole.
Copy !req
1292. Like, you know, of course.
Like, no one
just leaves for no reason.
Copy !req
1293. Your ego says it's them,
but hopefully
your brain says it's you.
Copy !req
1294. You kind of— Maybe it's
something in the middle.
Copy !req
1295. Up to that point, they
just went their separate ways.
Copy !req
1296. They ran a business together,
and they were
very close friends.
Copy !req
1297. But being in the same
creative cockpit, I think
it was too much for Dave,
Copy !req
1298. and I think Dave was like,
"I want to go do my own shit."
Copy !req
1299. That made sense to me,
you know?
Copy !req
1300. I never had, like,
"Oh, Dave's not gonna do it?"
Copy !req
1301. That was like,
"Oh, yeah, right.
You're both directors,
Copy !req
1302. and one's gonna go do that,
and another one's
gonna do this."
Copy !req
1303. I was just glad Chad said,
"Yeah, let's do it."
Copy !req
1304. 'Cause if he hadn't have
said that, I don't know
what would have happened.
Copy !req
1305. I don't know.
Copy !req
1306. I know you called
for John Wick 2.
Copy !req
1307. "Do you want to do it?"
Copy !req
1308. I'm like,
"What are you thinking?"
Copy !req
1309. And he's like, "Look, all
I know is we just got to know
Copy !req
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- Yeah.
Copy !req
1311. But we didn't have a script.
We didn't have any ideas.
Copy !req
1312. We really didn't know
why the first movie worked.
Copy !req
1313. I know it sounds dopey to say,
but it's not a science, right?
Copy !req
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Copy !req
1315. "So you guys think
you're pretty clever.
Copy !req
1316. Let's see what you got
for John Wick 2. "
I know, right?
Copy !req
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about John Wick 1,
Copy !req
1318. they were like, "Yeah, the dog.
I mean, geez, that was great."
Copy !req
1319. And we're like,
"We don't have a dog anymore."
Copy !req
1320. What are you gonna do?
You gonna kill the dog again?
Copy !req
1321. - Kill a cat?
- Kill the parakeet?
Copy !req
1322. - What are we doing?
- It would've been laughable
if we did it again.
Copy !req
1323. And so, we're like,
"Well, what— Fuck.
What are we gonna do here?"
Copy !req
1324. And so, creatively,
it was a big challenge
Copy !req
1325. about how do we emotionally
connect the audience
to what's going on.
Copy !req
1326. We kind of killed ourselves
on the second one
Copy !req
1327. because we didn't want it to be
John Wick 1 and 2 and done.
Copy !req
1328. When you think of franchises
that get to 3 and 4, beyond,
they did the sequel right.
Copy !req
1329. A movie is not a franchise
until you've made
a second movie
Copy !req
1330. and the second movie worked, right?
Copy !req
1331. Once you have two movies work,
now you have a franchise.
Copy !req
1332. That was probably
the most stressful.
Copy !req
1333. It was like, "Did we
get lucky or are we good?"
Copy !req
1334. We went through,
I want to say a hundred ideas.
Copy !req
1335. Massive universe builds,
Nigerian mob, the triad,
Copy !req
1336. any number of iterations.
Copy !req
1337. It's not like we talk about it,
hand the script off
to a writer,
Copy !req
1338. and then,
"See you in six months."
Like, Keanu's writing is like,
Copy !req
1339. out of the blue he'll text me
a scene, and then
I'll have a set piece.
Copy !req
1340. He'll text me, "I was thinking,
John Wick should"--
Copy !req
1341. And it's like
two pages of dialogue.
Copy !req
1342. We don't know
where to put it yet,
but we know it's a scene.
Copy !req
1343. You know,
I write for Winston.
Copy !req
1344. I write
for the Bowery King.
Copy !req
1345. I write for John.
I'll write scenes. You know,
I'll send pitches of scenes.
Copy !req
1346. Full scenes. But they all have,
like, "We want this to say,
the theme is this."
Copy !req
1347. Yeah. Right.
"The scene should be
about this."
Copy !req
1348. And then, how do we get there?
Copy !req
1349. It comes together
in the most haphazard way,
Copy !req
1350. and it's kind of like that
for like six months.
Copy !req
1351. Just, "We don't know!
We don't know!"
Copy !req
1352. For the first one,
it was just a handful
of people in the trenches.
Copy !req
1353. And the second one,
it was a thousand people
in the command center.
Copy !req
1354. And the third one, you're
just like, what in the hell?
Copy !req
1355. But that was the hardest job
I've ever had,
was John Wick 2.
Copy !req
1356. No one gets out and comes back
without repercussions.
Copy !req
1357. There were two things
that broke the dam
on the development.
Copy !req
1358. One was the marker,
and then the idea of, like,
Copy !req
1359. we wanted to go to Rome.
Copy !req
1360. I remember we talked
a couple of times, going,
Copy !req
1361. "What if there's a Continental
in every city?"
Copy !req
1362. I said, "Where do you
want to go?" And you're like,
Copy !req
1363. "Where's one of the old—
What's cool?"
Copy !req
1364. Rome.
Then we're like,
Copy !req
1365. well, how does he
get called back in? Well,
he's got to have a marker.
Copy !req
1366. Somebody...
I think...
Copy !req
1367. Marker,
I think, was Derek—
Copy !req
1368. Derek? No,
Derek came up with the marker.
Copy !req
1369. And then, Derek and I sat down
and went, well, what if
the marker is like a check?
Copy !req
1370. Yeah.
You can buy something.
You trade it with it.
Copy !req
1371. If you don't do this,
you know the consequences.
Copy !req
1372. I'm not that guy anymore.
Copy !req
1373. You are always that guy, John.
Copy !req
1374. You give somebody a marker,
you have to honor it.
Copy !req
1375. Otherwise, you risk
being on the open market.
Copy !req
1376. It's a whole
arcane world of its own.
Copy !req
1377. Market.
Copy !req
1378. It's wonderful bullshit,
you know? Wonderful.
Copy !req
1379. We're kind of all
under the table
in this weird, twisted world.
Copy !req
1380. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of
like the development
of it, right?
Copy !req
1381. I mean, the high table
was introduced
in the second one as well.
Copy !req
1382. Number two
is where we really kind of
found our feet, I think.
Copy !req
1383. Yeah.
With the whole world.
Copy !req
1384. The John Wick world
that it would become.
Copy !req
1385. When you're trying to do
new or fresh or sell an idea,
Copy !req
1386. a picture's worth
a thousand words.
Copy !req
1387. So I will usually storyboard
a scene before I write a scene.
Copy !req
1388. The thing
about working with Chad,
Copy !req
1389. it's like working
on a college film
with your buddies,
Copy !req
1390. and you guys spend
most of your time
Copy !req
1391. watching kung fu movies
and anime together.
Copy !req
1392. And all of a sudden,
you gotta do a project.
Copy !req
1393. So that's kind of how it was
'cause we would geek out
about the same things.
Copy !req
1394. Todd is part of
my inner circle creatively.
Copy !req
1395. He's someone I like to riff
with, not just about visuals,
Copy !req
1396. but about story arcs, characters.
Copy !req
1397. On top of that, he's incredibly
gifted with a great eye,
with perspective.
Copy !req
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I throw some back at them
or bounce them off the writer,
Copy !req
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put those in the script.
Copy !req
1400. I'll tweak, he'll tweak,
go back and around and around
Copy !req
1401. and around and around.
And it won't stop
till the day we shoot.
Copy !req
1402. It helps everyone's imagination
see the scale of
what you're trying to do,
Copy !req
1403. the depth, the color,
the pattern, the framing.
Copy !req
1404. It was always
about getting into
the psychology of John Wick,
Copy !req
1405. what kind of character he is,
what visually signifies
who this guy is
Copy !req
1406. and what makes him different.
Copy !req
1407. This is very much noir
Copy !req
1408. filtered through kind of
a digital MTV aesthetic.
Copy !req
1409. We kind of made the decision,
like, what do we love?
Copy !req
1410. And we wrote it up on the...
"We love wuxia films.
Copy !req
1411. We love chambara films.
We love Westerns.
Copy !req
1412. We love John Ford.
We love Sergio Leone.
Copy !req
1413. We love Bernardo Bertolucci.
We love Tarkovsky.
Copy !req
1414. We love Wong Kar-Wai.
We love Zhang Yimou,
you know, Akira Kurosawa.
Copy !req
1415. We love Steven Spielberg."
Copy !req
1416. All these great directors
of action at the time,
Copy !req
1417. or storytelling,
and we just went,
"Well, fuck it.
Copy !req
1418. We're just gonna
combine everything we love
Copy !req
1419. and build our own franchise."
Copy !req
1420. I think one of the best things
about John Wick is
Copy !req
1421. it wasn't an
existing IP already.
Copy !req
1422. Yeah.
You know, so,
there was no rules.
Copy !req
1423. Yeah.
We could make...
Copy !req
1424. We could steer John Wick
wherever we wanted.
Copy !req
1425. We could do
whatever we wanted.
Copy !req
1426. We're like, I don't know,
is he that guy?
Copy !req
1427. Sure, he's that guy.
He loves Mustangs.
He's that guy.
Copy !req
1428. Is he this guy? Does he like...
Ah, he's that guy.
Copy !req
1429. Like, he speaks
all these languages.
Copy !req
1430. It's like every movie
we could reinvent him
a little bit.
Copy !req
1431. I know, I love it.
Copy !req
1432. Ready, and three,
two, one. Action!
Copy !req
1433. All the Wick movies
are very,
very difficult to shoot.
Copy !req
1434. None of them are easy, at all.
Copy !req
1435. Fuck.
Copy !req
1436. But 2 was hard,
but I think we were all like,
Copy !req
1437. "Do you believe this shit?
We're here again.
This is incredible."
Copy !req
1438. John Wick: Chapter 2.
Copy !req
1439. Like he never left.
Copy !req
1440. And Keanu
was just so happy.
Copy !req
1441. He starts working out and
training four or five months
before he starts shooting.
Copy !req
1442. And I don't mean like
every couple of days.
Copy !req
1443. I mean like five,
six days a week.
It's a full-time job for him.
Copy !req
1444. But for Keanu,
it's where he's the happiest.
Copy !req
1445. My bad.
Copy !req
1446. Good take,
good take, good take.
Copy !req
1447. Going again.
Copy !req
1448. I think
you'd like to have,
Copy !req
1449. I mean, I like it too
when John Wick suffers,
Copy !req
1450. but I think you like it
when Reeves suffers too.
Copy !req
1451. Um...
Copy !req
1452. Not gonna say no.
Copy !req
1453. When you see Keanu in pain on
screen, it's probably for real.
Copy !req
1454. Bad knee.
Copy !req
1455. Bad knee.
Copy !req
1456. His knee doesn't work,
Copy !req
1457. his right shoulder
doesn't work,
and his neck has a fusion.
Copy !req
1458. So when you see John Wick
limping, that's Keanu limping.
Copy !req
1459. Chad told Keanu early on,
Copy !req
1460. "I'm gonna push you
past your comfort zone."
Copy !req
1461. And Keanu was like,
"Do it."
Copy !req
1462. Now on 1 and 2,
it was kind of healthy.
Copy !req
1463. On 3 and 4, it was
becoming like almost barbaric.
Copy !req
1464. But Keanu would never
ever, ever, ever, ever
in a million years tap out.
Copy !req
1465. Keanu's work ethic
and training regimen
Copy !req
1466. that he wants to do
for these movies
was just really impressive.
Copy !req
1467. First thing
you see Keanu walk on set.
Copy !req
1468. He can barely move.
He's got his head down.
Copy !req
1469. He just looks like he's been
beat to shit for the last
two months because he has.
Copy !req
1470. Um, I guess we can start here.
And then there.
Copy !req
1471. And then we add,
this is fun.
Copy !req
1472. That one's not bad.
Copy !req
1473. Got a little rug burn.
Those carpet burns?
Copy !req
1474. Yeah.
You already got the job.
Copy !req
1475. Right there,
got a little bit there.
Copy !req
1476. Action star.
Copy !req
1477. John Wick.
Copy !req
1478. For Wick 1,
Copy !req
1479. it was really kind of
starting from ground zero.
Copy !req
1480. Building up from nothing.
Copy !req
1481. It wasn't gonna
be the typical punch-kick.
Copy !req
1482. It was gonna be more gritty,
hard-style, messy.
Copy !req
1483. So, we had to kind of
beat on him a little bit.
Copy !req
1484. Get him used to contact.
You know,
Copy !req
1485. just grabbing on to
one of the guys
and pulling him in.
Copy !req
1486. That was just a drill.
Copy !req
1487. He would just do that
for 20, 30 minutes.
Copy !req
1488. And then, pull him in, step,
pull him in, step.
Copy !req
1489. We sit there and we do rolls
for 15 minutes
Copy !req
1490. and then break falls
for another 15 minutes.
Copy !req
1491. Like that alone is
taxing on anybody.
Copy !req
1492. I wish I could
get an ice bath.
Copy !req
1493. I'll get it.
Still rolling.
Copy !req
1494. Ice bath.
I need an ice bath.
Copy !req
1495. In the training room,
I got so used to
four months of him collapsing
Copy !req
1496. on the ground, coughing
for ten minutes straight.
Copy !req
1497. He sounds like
he's gonna die between
every take of rehearsal.
Copy !req
1498. I've seen him go
straight to the bathroom.
Copy !req
1499. Like he's done that.
He's definitely barfed
during training.
Copy !req
1500. He would go in the bathroom,
come back out,
Copy !req
1501. just white face
and just be like,
Copy !req
1502. "All right, what's next?
Where we going?"
Copy !req
1503. Which I think for all of us
was just like, "Fuck yeah."
Copy !req
1504. Chad used to get a camera
and he goes,
Copy !req
1505. "I want Reeves to do 50 throws
before he leaves, in a row."
Copy !req
1506. And he's like in New York
and I'm in LA,
but he puts a camera there.
Copy !req
1507. So I'm training Reeves.
Copy !req
1508. And then, it's like,
he does like take— He does 30.
Copy !req
1509. And he's dying.
Like he's fucking
like passing out.
Copy !req
1510. And I'm like, "Ah,
we should let him go."
Copy !req
1511. 'Cause whatever, right?
Copy !req
1512. Then I get a text.
It's like, "No, that's
number"-- Like he counts it.
Copy !req
1513. "That's like number 31."
Copy !req
1514. You know what I mean?
I'm like looking. Right?
He's watching.
Copy !req
1515. So, it's like, he had—
he had to do it.
Copy !req
1516. It's nuts, man.
Copy !req
1517. He knows Keanu so well.
He knows like
how much he can do.
Copy !req
1518. I'm like, "Dude,
he's not g—
He's gonna die, right?"
Copy !req
1519. Like most people are just
like... They would have,
like, stopped for sure.
Copy !req
1520. So he knows how much you can
push him, not just physically,
but mentally.
Copy !req
1521. When you know
you have someone as your
lead actor go down those roads,
Copy !req
1522. you have a whole nother
level of opportunities
Copy !req
1523. that a lot of
directors don't have.
Copy !req
1524. There's actors that
directors meet on the day.
Copy !req
1525. You know, I knew Keanu for
years before I directed him.
Copy !req
1526. I don't know if you realize
what kind of advantage that is.
Copy !req
1527. No better union
could have happened
in the film business
Copy !req
1528. than Chad and Keanu.
Copy !req
1529. Keanu is the hardest
training actor
Copy !req
1530. I've ever worked with, right?
Copy !req
1531. He's so committed,
but it's the same as Chad.
Copy !req
1532. They're both the same.
Copy !req
1533. They see something
in their head,
Copy !req
1534. and they will both bleed
profusely to achieve it.
Copy !req
1535. Do you remember
the origin
of "Wick is pain"?
Copy !req
1536. Day one?
No.
Copy !req
1537. "Wick is pain" didn't
evolve until John Wick...
Copy !req
1538. 3.
Copy !req
1539. I think it was
during the antique fight.
Copy !req
1540. My knee had blown up.
Oh, my God,
I remember that.
Copy !req
1541. The first week of shooting
and I'm sitting there,
Copy !req
1542. and I'm like...
And I think,
Copy !req
1543. in the fog of our...
in the fog of Wick,
Copy !req
1544. I think
I was sitting there
and then you—
Copy !req
1545. Like, I was there
and maybe I was like,
"Hey, how's it going?"
Copy !req
1546. And you looked at me and you
were like, "Wick is pain."
Copy !req
1547. And then you—
Copy !req
1548. That sounded like something
a director would say.
Copy !req
1549. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Copy !req
1550. I remember that.
Your knee was fucking swollen.
Copy !req
1551. It wasn't that bad,
but it was
a little swollen.
Copy !req
1552. We were trying to get Patrick
and to get the doctor in.
Copy !req
1553. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and I had the thing and
it was a bit of a situation.
Copy !req
1554. But that's my recollection
of when like...
That's the etymology—
Copy !req
1555. of when "Wick is pain"
became formalized.
Copy !req
1556. I think with Chad,
Copy !req
1557. there needs to be
a healthy amount of suffering
Copy !req
1558. that is in direct relation
with the success of the film.
Copy !req
1559. When we were on
the first John Wick
Copy !req
1560. and we were doing the fight
at the Navy Yard
at the end of the film,
Copy !req
1561. and it's freezing
Copy !req
1562. and it's rain
and it's terrible,
Copy !req
1563. he was— he was so—
Copy !req
1564. I don't think I've seen him
that happy before.
Copy !req
1565. He loved it, you know?
Copy !req
1566. And I'm sure Reeves
was right there with him.
Copy !req
1567. They're just both
miserable suffering.
Copy !req
1568. Anything hard is always
gonna be a little painful.
Copy !req
1569. Is good.
Yeah, that's good.
Copy !req
1570. I mean, honestly,
if it didn't hurt, if we
weren't stressed out by it...
Copy !req
1571. I mean, it's more than just
the stunts. Like we'd be
working on the script.
Copy !req
1572. Yeah.
Trying to figure out...
Copy !req
1573. And then that's— that's
a different kind of pain.
Copy !req
1574. When you're trying to
figure out these scenes,
Copy !req
1575. you can sense that
there's something cool,
Copy !req
1576. we could do something
really neat, but it's—
You can't quite get it.
Copy !req
1577. And I think that's sometimes
more painful than the—
Copy !req
1578. Well, almost as painful
as getting hit by a bus.
Copy !req
1579. Could you recommend anything
for the end of the night?
Copy !req
1580. Something big, bold?
Copy !req
1581. May I suggest
the Benelli M4?
Copy !req
1582. This is where we wanted
to up the action
a little bit,
Copy !req
1583. so we started Keanu training
with Taran Butler,
Copy !req
1584. the three-gun
champion of the world.
Copy !req
1585. I didn't know that
I was getting gun hands
in John Wick 1,
Copy !req
1586. but in Chapter 2, I was like,
"The manipulations. Oh, yeah."
Copy !req
1587. We went
from John Wick 1,
Copy !req
1588. where it was like 100 rounds
at a shooting session,
Copy !req
1589. to when we got to Taran
on number two,
it was like 3,000 rounds.
Copy !req
1590. Yes.
Copy !req
1591. Did I not hit it?
Nope.
Copy !req
1592. Chad's obsessed
with weaponry and guns,
Copy !req
1593. and I think always
like the cutting edge
Copy !req
1594. of what would be next
and what we could do.
Copy !req
1595. The airsoft thing
at the time we thought
was not revolutionary,
Copy !req
1596. but we were like,
"This is incredible."
Copy !req
1597. But it was like 70%
of what we wanted.
Copy !req
1598. As we increased
the sophistication
of the weaponry,
Copy !req
1599. Chad was like,
"I want to be able to do
an enormous amount of gunplay.
Copy !req
1600. I never want to worry about it,
and I hate airsofts."
Copy !req
1601. And I'm like, "Well,
that leaves us nowhere."
Copy !req
1602. Because we can't
have blanks, obviously.
It can't be plastic guns.
Copy !req
1603. You've got to remember,
Chad was Brandon Lee's
stunt double in The Crow,
Copy !req
1604. so Chad more so
than I think any person
Copy !req
1605. that comes out of
the stunt world in Hollywood
Copy !req
1606. is hypervigilant and aware
of gun safety on a set.
Copy !req
1607. That's bad.
Yeah, yeah.
Copy !req
1608. And a lot of the
gunfire is close combat.
Copy !req
1609. And so, how do you
do that with, you know,
a gun that looks real?
Copy !req
1610. So, you are
the speed of light.
Copy !req
1611. I'm gonna
name the gun that.
Copy !req
1612. Speed of light.
All right.
Copy !req
1613. But then
Chad found Taran,
Copy !req
1614. and they actually found
the secret sauce
of plugging guns.
Copy !req
1615. Chad likes to have so much
close contact action
that he solid plugs everything.
Copy !req
1616. What that means is
a normal blank gun in a movie,
Copy !req
1617. when you fire it,
the flame comes out the front.
Copy !req
1618. When he solid plugs it,
you don't get that anymore.
Copy !req
1619. You get the ejection
of the casing flying out,
Copy !req
1620. you get the reloads,
you get the smoke,
you get all that.
Copy !req
1621. The action's operating,
but it's safe.
Copy !req
1622. You can go right up
against somebody
and pull the trigger.
Copy !req
1623. It's not going to hurt them.
Copy !req
1624. As soon as you put a blank
with a blank gun,
Copy !req
1625. you're basically
shooting a pistol
that's been fitted for blanks.
Copy !req
1626. And you can get wadded.
I've been sprayed
a thousand times with wadding.
Copy !req
1627. I've been shot and burned.
Copy !req
1628. Nobody can get killed
with a solid plug gun.
Copy !req
1629. Nothing comes out of the front.
Copy !req
1630. And now the gun cycles.
It's totally safe.
Copy !req
1631. You can have
your hand in the front.
It won't do anything.
Copy !req
1632. There was also a very
big benefit audio-wise
for the stunt performers.
Copy !req
1633. Things are going on.
Copy !req
1634. There's a hundred guys
Keanu is fighting,
Copy !req
1635. so people are yelling,
making kung fu noises.
Copy !req
1636. So, the fact that
we had a plugged gun
Copy !req
1637. that actually
sounded like a real gun,
Copy !req
1638. you know, it was easier
for our stuntpeople
Copy !req
1639. to take their cues off
the sounds of the guns.
Copy !req
1640. That was awesome.
Copy !req
1641. I like that press.
Copy !req
1642. Ah. So fun.
Copy !req
1643. - Now we're just gonna
slap on the Benelli.
- We better get that shotgun.
Copy !req
1644. - Oh, yeah. Match saver.
- Match saver.
Copy !req
1645. When he runs out of ammo,
this is called the match saver.
Copy !req
1646. In the old-school way,
you'd have to reach down
to your belt,
Copy !req
1647. grab a shell, drop it in,
and drop the bolt.
Copy !req
1648. And that takes, like,
almost two seconds.
Copy !req
1649. This way, I'm shooting,
I run empty,
Copy !req
1650. I know immediately.
Copy !req
1651. I throw it in
and hit the bolt.
Copy !req
1652. - Also on that one
did the jacket pull draw.
- Jacket pull draw. Yeah.
Copy !req
1653. Jacket pull draw.
Jacket pull draw.
Copy !req
1654. Very slick.
So good. Jacket pull draw.
Copy !req
1655. A lot of the DNA,
like we say, is always
in the first one, right?
Copy !req
1656. But I keep going back
to number two
as the real experiment.
Copy !req
1657. John Wick
rock concert.
Copy !req
1658. See, where's Dave now?
This is his cup of tea.
Copy !req
1659. Dave would be up there rapping.
Copy !req
1660. When we were in Rome and we
were doing the concert stuff,
Copy !req
1661. that was when we decided,
okay, we have
this huge crowd of people.
Copy !req
1662. We have music going,
like, how kooky
are we gonna get here?
Copy !req
1663. Like, is John Wick
really gonna run up on stage
and shoot somebody?
Copy !req
1664. We're like, yeah.
Yeah.
Copy !req
1665. This is where we
were like, okay, we're going.
Copy !req
1666. The crowd's cheering for
shooting people in the head.
Copy !req
1667. So, it's kind of like
Red Circle
from the first one.
Copy !req
1668. We do
like a club scene.
Copy !req
1669. That whole concert, for me,
it came together
Copy !req
1670. so big and so larger than life,
and when we heard
the music going
Copy !req
1671. it was like,
"Okay, we got to pump
this up a little bit."
Copy !req
1672. Then it was you like,
"I'm gonna jump down the
stairs. We're just gonna go.
Copy !req
1673. I'm gonna run
through the crowd."
Copy !req
1674. It was this different kind
of energy than number one.
Copy !req
1675. It was a lot more aggressive.
Copy !req
1676. Yeah.
Copy !req
1677. Bang, bang! Bang! Bang!
Copy !req
1678. Bang! Got to go in here.
Copy !req
1679. Oh, no. Bang, bang!
Copy !req
1680. Bang!
Copy !req
1681. Shit! Bang!
Copy !req
1682. We did invent this choreography
in the night.
Copy !req
1683. Literally did that
on the night.
Copy !req
1684. Flick. Look at that.
That's legit.
Copy !req
1685. John Wick's just got
a lot of angry arms.
Yeah, look at that.
Copy !req
1686. I love that, the pullback.
Copy !req
1687. I just want to see the heads
explode. I just want to see
a little bit of that.
Copy !req
1688. Yeah, pretty much
just made this all up
on the night.
Copy !req
1689. But I think
this introduced, too,
the idea of the toolbox,
Copy !req
1690. the way that
you guys trained me.
Copy !req
1691. The magic of what Keanu
went through is we built
a giant toolbox for him...
Copy !req
1692. You're out.
Copy !req
1693. that at any moment,
we can pull out tools from
and plug and play.
Copy !req
1694. Secondary.
I built the training
very similar
Copy !req
1695. to the way we do choreography.
Copy !req
1696. I would put
a dummy round in the mag
Copy !req
1697. so he would have to
correct a malfunction.
Copy !req
1698. So, I would create problems
in the middle of this
Copy !req
1699. that he would have to solve.
Copy !req
1700. All that prep gives you
this luxury of, like,
Copy !req
1701. we can be flexible
and in the moment,
Copy !req
1702. and almost ad-lib the action
Copy !req
1703. because he's already
gotten so good.
Copy !req
1704. What? Cut it!
Copy !req
1705. This is what Reeves
can do.
Copy !req
1706. And see, that spoiled me
for the rest of the movie.
Copy !req
1707. So, now I know you can
do anything. I'm like,
"I can change shit on the day."
Copy !req
1708. In most action movies, you
can't change the choreography.
Copy !req
1709. Yeah.
You don't want to upset
"insert name."
Copy !req
1710. Yeah.
After this,
it was like, "Oh, no,
Copy !req
1711. we can change everything
on Keanu. He's great."
Copy !req
1712. All the stunt teams are like,
"So we can still change things?
Copy !req
1713. This is great."
We can still change things.
Copy !req
1714. Sorry.
Back to one. Reset.
Copy !req
1715. Fuck!
It's all good.
Copy !req
1716. That's what I like about
the John Wick action.
Copy !req
1717. John Wick always feels
a little back on his heels.
Copy !req
1718. Kind of like he just learned
the choreography that day.
Copy !req
1719. Yeah, yeah.
Which is awesome.
Copy !req
1720. And after this,
now it was a challenge to us.
Copy !req
1721. How do we keep up with Keanu?
Copy !req
1722. Whoever comes,
whoever it is,
Copy !req
1723. I'll kill them.
Copy !req
1724. I'll kill them all.
Copy !req
1725. When John Wick 2
was being put together,
Copy !req
1726. there were certain actors
that were saying, like,
Copy !req
1727. "We would love to be
in John Wick 2."
Copy !req
1728. You're not having a good night,
are you, John?
Copy !req
1729. Once they put Rome on the map,
it was like, "I need to be
in John Wick 2."
Copy !req
1730. Chad, man, like,
I have to be in there.
I have to be in that world.
Copy !req
1731. I reached out to Keanu,
I was like, "Dude,
all of our friends,
Copy !req
1732. all the guys that worked
on The Matrix pictures,
Copy !req
1733. like, everybody's in the movie.
You gotta hook me up."
Copy !req
1734. Mr. Wick doesn't remember,
but we met many years ago.
Copy !req
1735. And then there were
other actors that we thought,
Copy !req
1736. "They would be great.
Let's try to get them."
Copy !req
1737. And at that point,
not everyone
was in on John Wick
Copy !req
1738. as such a big thing
that it's eventually
gonna come out to be.
Copy !req
1739. Oh, you motherfucker.
Copy !req
1740. When you
get to John Wick 3,
Copy !req
1741. now there is this corner
that has been turned
Copy !req
1742. where pretty much everybody
is aware of John Wick.
Copy !req
1743. We can literally
call it a franchise
Copy !req
1744. because number one worked,
number two worked even better,
Copy !req
1745. and we're planning on
making number three.
Copy !req
1746. Now you have brilliant actors,
Academy Award-winning actors,
Copy !req
1747. like Halle Berry
and Anjelica Huston,
Copy !req
1748. who really understands
what John Wick is,
Copy !req
1749. wants to be with Keanu,
wants to be with 87eleven.
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1750. I was a fan. I mean, there's
not a dull moment on screen.
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1751. I don't need to see the script.
Just sign me up.
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1752. I gotta tell you,
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1753. I've been looking forward
to meeting you for a long time.
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1754. I'm a huge fan, John Wick.
Copy !req
1755. We're part
of the establishment
all of a sudden.
Copy !req
1756. When we weren't,
Copy !req
1757. John Wick 1 was way out
of the establishment.
Copy !req
1758. Even John Wick 2 was, like,
a foot in and a foot out.
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1759. And I said this to Keanu,
I'm like, "Listen,
for better or for worse,
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1760. we are now a place where
in the economics of film
and television and studios,
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1761. we have to
expand this world."
Copy !req
1762. Like, there's no version
of us going,
"Ah, guys, we're good."
Copy !req
1763. You know, the shareholders
of Lionsgate's like,
"No, we want more."
Copy !req
1764. And so I think we've all kind
of collectively realized that,
Copy !req
1765. and now we're like, "Okay,
how do we make things just
a bit cool, a bit different?"
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1766. All right. Picture's up.
Lock it up. Here we go.
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1767. Cool location, right?
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1768. It's awesome.
Thanks.
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1769. Fuck yeah.
John Wick 3. Manhattan.
New York City Library.
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1770. I feel like
every John Wick film has had,
like, the what and the why.
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1771. But what's the character?
What's the why?
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1772. And then along that,
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1774. like, action,
not even sequences,
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1775. but, like,
I want to be here.
It's a mirror room.
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1776. It's gonna be the fight
in the library with Boban.
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1777. It's gonna be the stairs
in Chapter 4.
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1778. There's always been
these impulses
of action or set pieces,
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1779. and somehow the story
has to go through here
and here, you know,
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1780. and that kind of relentlessness
of trying to figure it out.
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1781. Dogs, horses, pigeons,
Grand Central.
Copy !req
1782. Grand Central.
Grand Central.
Copy !req
1783. All right, get out of here.
I gotta go to work.
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1784. This is Ballet Land.
That's these ladies.
What are we shooting right now?
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1785. Tell 'em.
John Wick 3.
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1786. That says it all,
doesn't it?
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1787. We're going to Marrakech.
- Sounds good.
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1788. Going to Morocco. Halle Berry
in the desert with some dogs.
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1789. It's one of the
hardest things I've ever done.
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1790. I pushed myself to the limit.
I had some broken bones.
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1791. But I survived.
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1792. Dogs.
We need dogs in the movie.
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1793. What are you gonna do?
Well, we're gonna train dogs
to attack groins.
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1794. That was one of the concepts.
That was one of the concepts.
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1795. John Wick 3.
If you knew the budget
we spent on dogs.
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1796. That was the concept.
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1797. We're gonna
train Halle Berry with dogs.
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1798. Got an actress
who wanted to say,
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1799. "Yeah, I want to train dogs
for seven, eight months."
Copy !req
1800. And that's not from
a book series. That's not
from a graphic novel.
Copy !req
1801. That's from us going,
"Hey, man, you like dogs?
Copy !req
1802. I like dogs. You like dogs?
I like dogs. Let's do
something cool with dogs.
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1803. We did guns and cars. Let's
do dogs. Yeah, I like dogs."
Copy !req
1804. Dog fu.
Dog fu, man.
Copy !req
1805. And then, Keanu's going,
"John Wick's got to be
on a horse."
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1806. And I'm like,
"John Wick on a horse
sounds pretty fucking cool."
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1807. But a lot of other people
that read the script went,
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1808. "Yeah, that's not...
How is that gonna be cool?"
Copy !req
1809. - Because he ran out
of Central Park.
- And we're like,
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1810. "We're not really sure,
but we're gonna try
and figure it out."
Copy !req
1811. There's horses
by Central Park.
Copy !req
1812. If you're willing
to endure that little bit
of fear of the unknown
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1813. and that little bit of pain
of figuring it out...
Copy !req
1814. Who doesn't want
to see John Wick on a horse?
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1815. - Yeah.
- In a suit.
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Copy !req
1817. And I think most people
get weirded out by it
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1818. because they don't know
how it fits in the story
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1819. or they don't know how
to make it work
with the character,
Copy !req
1820. and that's the beauty of
what we have with John Wick.
Copy !req
1821. It's our IP.
Yeah.
Copy !req
1822. So, there's no...
There's no real rules.
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1823. Like, we've had people
come up to us and
actually say to Keanu and I,
Copy !req
1824. "Well, that's not
very John Wick."
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1825. And we're like, "I don't know,
Copy !req
1826. that's John Wick, and he
says he'll be on a horse."
Copy !req
1827. You want to ride a horse?
Yeah, man.
Copy !req
1828. All right, then it's
pretty John Wick, isn't it?
Copy !req
1829. Getting to know Jackie Chan
and Donnie Yen and Jet Li,
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1830. and having worked
with all those people.
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1831. I was talking
to Jackie one time...
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1832. This is after spending a lot
of time watching how he works.
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1833. And, you know,
I was giving him a little shit.
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1834. You know, like, if Keanu and I
were just sitting here
and I was telling Jackie,
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1835. "You know, if you have
two people sitting there
and there's a desk between us,"
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1836. we're like, "Well, you know,
he'd say something,
I'd say something.
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1837. I'd jump over the desk,
we'd start fighting,
Copy !req
1838. and then we'd punch
and punch and punch,
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1839. and then the other guy would
walk out and say a cool line."
Copy !req
1840. Jackie would do literally
the exact opposite
of any other choreographer.
Copy !req
1841. He'd go, "Okay,
you don't say anything.
I'll say a joke.
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1842. I'm gonna try to walk out, but
you stop me from walking out.
Copy !req
1843. Then the room catches on fire,
the door is locked,
Copy !req
1844. we get handcuffed together
and... What,
are you right-handed?
Copy !req
1845. Okay, so you can't
use your right hand.
Copy !req
1846. And you got to protect
this vase here from breaking
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1847. because that's
really what you wanted.
Copy !req
1848. And you can't kill anybody,
although everybody has a gun."
Copy !req
1849. And you'd look at Jackie
and go, "Well, how am I
supposed to do that?"
Copy !req
1850. And he had
the best answer ever.
Copy !req
1851. He looked right back and said,
"I have no idea
how you're gonna do it,
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1852. but if you figure it out,
it'll be the best fight
in the movie."
Copy !req
1853. One of the sequences that
I think will always go down
Copy !req
1854. as one of the greatest moments
in all four John Wick movies
is the knife fight.
Copy !req
1855. It's using all the things
that would normally
be a problem.
Copy !req
1856. John is in
a straight, narrow room,
and he doesn't have a gun.
Copy !req
1857. And all these assassins
who have guns are coming to
get him, and he can't hide.
Copy !req
1858. So now he has to neutralize
the guns that could shoot him
and kill him, right?
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1859. That's number one.
Copy !req
1860. Number two,
he gets thrown against glass.
Copy !req
1861. And what feels like
it's gonna be a problem
turns out to be an asset.
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1862. It's brilliant.
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1863. - That's so good.
- We always called it
the snowball fight.
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1864. You and your brothers get
the snowball and you just
chuck them at each other.
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1865. We were saying
in every action movie,
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1866. no matter who it is,
he always picks up a knife,
Copy !req
1867. and they throw it,
and it sticks in,
and the guy dies.
Copy !req
1868. And we're like,
"That never really happens."
Copy !req
1869. So let's do one where
everybody misses all the time.
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1870. We kept rehearsing it
and rehearsing it.
Copy !req
1871. We kept changing
all the different pieces.
Copy !req
1872. But it still
didn't fit right.
Copy !req
1873. I was like, "Okay,
it's gonna be a decent fight."
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1874. You know, I was looking forward
to the horse stuff more
and all that shit.
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1875. - Yeah.
- It was about the third day
of doing this.
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1876. It was when you come at him,
just going one, two, three.
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1877. My opinion totally changed
in this fight,
right on that. Right here.
Copy !req
1878. What do I do?
Duck.
Copy !req
1879. Duck? Duck?
You better.
Copy !req
1880. Duck?
Copy !req
1881. This is real speed.
Copy !req
1882. This is... Yeah,
this is Shane and Chen here.
Copy !req
1883. Whoa! That's legit.
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1884. We were literally putting
this stuff together on the day.
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1885. Action!
Copy !req
1886. Remember, like, when we had
that, like, fucking take
that's in the movie?
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1887. Yep.
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1888. Take forever.
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1889. Not that...
I know.
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1890. Shane is, like, amazing
as well, but I'm so slow.
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1891. But there was something about
that one take that was like—
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1892. Yeah, that take, you know,
it's great. It's great.
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1893. I was like,
"Guys, I don't think
I could do that any faster."
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1894. And Shane was like,
"Me neither."
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1895. We reached, like,
a high hand.
It is.
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1896. It was so good
but so very tired.
Right?
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1898. Jesus.
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in John Wick 1,
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through all of them,
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1901. was fight film
with who you trained with.
Yeah.
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1902. Everyone gets
to know your timing, you know?
Copy !req
1903. They know how slow I am,
so they can do stuff
in between.
Copy !req
1904. "Come on, Reeves!"
They compensate.
Copy !req
1905. You figure
everyone else does that.
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1906. I don't know
why movies don't.
They don't.
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1907. Cut!
Cut.
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1908. Keanu, you know,
he's a perfectionist.
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1909. I sucked.
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1910. And he is
very hard on himself.
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movies other than John Wick
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1912. were the Matrix movies.
And the Wachowskis,
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1913. you know,
there was no good enough.
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1914. And even if it is perfect,
we'll shoot it ten more times
Copy !req
1915. and make sure
it's perfect-perfect,
you know, super-perfect.
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1916. Super-perfect.
Copy !req
1917. That's a Reevesian word,
super-perfect.
Yeah, that's—
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1918. That's where we get
the fuckity fucks.
Yeah.
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1919. All directed at yourself,
which is very admirable.
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1920. Fuck! Fuck!
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1921. Cut. We'll go again.
Fuck!
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1922. I can't do
the fucking lock.
Copy !req
1923. Fucking lock,
fucking, fucking lock,
fucking lock, fuck.
Copy !req
1924. Fuck! Fuck!
Copy !req
1925. Fucker. Fucking, fucking,
fucking fuck.
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1926. Fuck.
That is my bad. Fuck!
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1927. Okay, now
let's just do that.
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1928. Fuck!
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1929. Fuck.
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1930. Fuck!
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1931. Fuck!
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1932. Fuck. Fuck.
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1933. Fuck it. I fucked that up.
Fuck!
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Fuck!
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Fuck!
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you wanna do it well.
You wanna do it right.
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thinking about it, it's like...
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a wire, or you go
into an action sequence,
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have like a spring.
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1943. You know, you have a tension
that's waiting to release.
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1944. And I feel like
the fucks are a way
to like...
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1945. It's like a kiai.
Yeah. It's like a kiai.
Like, "Fuck!"
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1946. Like, "Fuck."
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1947. And then, you get to
ratchet it back up and go,
"Okay, let's try again."
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1950. Reeves has consistently
been one of the kindest,
hardest-working,
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that I've ever met inside
or outside of this business.
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1952. But when he plugs in and
he goes all in on something,
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you gotta be ready for that.
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1955. and when he grabs you
to do a throw or flip,
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1956. it's like a vice.
Copy !req
1957. And if you look
on my Instagram,
I posted a small picture.
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1958. My arms are just like, what?
Copy !req
1959. But I was proud of those.
I earned those, you know?
Copy !req
1960. John Wick, Chad and Keanu
right here, all over.
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1961. I cannot tell you
how many times on a John Wick
set I have taken my phone
Copy !req
1962. and have videoed stunts
and fight scenes
that were happening.
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1963. Not for any other reason
but to say, "Look,
this actually was done."
Copy !req
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Keanu and his stunt double
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incredibly physical trauma
on these movies.
Copy !req
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to double Keanu
was pretty surreal.
Copy !req
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being his double
through The Matrix,
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Copy !req
1969. So, having Chad
pass me the torch
was just a huge honor.
Copy !req
1970. And just getting to meet Reeves
and make that relationship.
Copy !req
1971. Well, they're playing
the character too,
you know?
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where they can get hurt.
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Jackson took.
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counted those,
there's at least 20.
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in an edited version.
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that he did...
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1979. Crashing, hitting...
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"Oh, no. What?"
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1981. And then all of
the choreography that
he could do that I couldn't do,
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Copy !req
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the movement,
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the way that he, you know, paid
attention to the character,
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to that.
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1987. It's not just,
like, put the pads on
and get hit by a car.
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he's playing John Wick.
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1989. And he's gotta move...
You want to sell it
a little bit.
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and connected in art,
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1991. and you're connected
in the physicality of it.
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masochistic in a way.
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1993. It's just like, "It hurts."
It's a "Thank you, sir.
May I have another?"
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from the high fall on Wick 3.
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I think it was 12 feet
to this little awning,
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which is like a plastic.
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1997. Slide down, I'm supposed to
catch my feet on the ledge
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1998. and, like, pencil over,
like dead body,
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1999. turn until I land
on my back half on,
half off the fire escape.
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and I'm supposed to fall.
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Yep. Yes, sir.
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on the Lexan that I slide down.
Copy !req
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workout clothes on
or something like that.
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from a suit
creates less friction...
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I slid so fast
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I figured out where I was,
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they were supposed to catch.
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chipping off the ledge.
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so I'm about to
Million Dollar Baby myself.
Copy !req
2012. Luckily, I caught myself
and landed basically
on the back of my head.
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didn't break away,
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and continue the shot
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fall into a box catcher.
Copy !req
2016. The first thing that
I thought of was just like,
"Move your foot."
Copy !req
2017. My foot moved, and I was like,
"Oh, thank God."
Copy !req
2018. "We're gonna try the other
one." The other went...
I was like, "Okay, great."
Copy !req
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I knew it looked bad
in the video village.
Copy !req
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Copy !req
2021. I can bring a Condor
or you can come down your way.
Copy !req
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Okay.
Copy !req
2023. Three, two, one, jump!
Copy !req
2024. I just looked down
and Chad's just
hands in his pockets.
Copy !req
2025. "How you doing?"
I'm like, "That sucked."
Copy !req
2026. That was... Fuck.
Copy !req
2027. You all right?
Yeah.
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2028. I'm like,
"Do we need to go again?"
He's like, "I'd like to."
Copy !req
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I was like,
"Yeah, but if we go again,
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Copy !req
2031. because I have a feeling
in about ten minutes,
Copy !req
2032. I'm going to be like Batman
'cause I landed on my head."
Copy !req
2033. He's like, "All right.
Well, let's figure out
what we need to do to fix it,
Copy !req
2034. and let's go. All right.
I'm glad you're okay."
Copy !req
2035. Why was it so slick?
That was slick as shit.
Copy !req
2036. So I went
and did it again.
Copy !req
2037. This is another testament
to our, like, bullshit.
Copy !req
2038. See Chad looking at the monitor
and I was like,
Copy !req
2039. "All right, how was that?"
He's like,
Copy !req
2040. "Well, we're not
going to beat the first one."
Copy !req
2041. He's like, "It looks
like you just fucking die."
Copy !req
2042. And I was like, "Well, yeah."
Copy !req
2043. So, you know,
you're watching another person
put their health at risk.
Copy !req
2044. You know? But you also
know that they love it.
Copy !req
2045. Nice jump.
Copy !req
2046. And you also know that
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2047. when it turns out well
and everybody's okay,
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2048. it's like, "Fuck yeah!"
Copy !req
2049. And so, for me, it's just like
you're admiring what they do.
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2050. We're all wearing the suit.
Copy !req
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come up as a stuntperson,
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2052. if you're looking for credit
and notoriety,
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2053. you're in the wrong end
of the business.
Copy !req
2054. You get to do this little part.
You get to...
Copy !req
2055. You have the anonymity
that I've always enjoyed.
Copy !req
2056. And then, you know,
you get to work with
some of Hollywood's best,
Copy !req
2057. and you get to be a ninja.
Copy !req
2058. No one knew who you were,
but you still got to sit
in the movie theater
Copy !req
2059. and go, "Yeah, that's me."
Copy !req
2060. And you pull off some of the
greatest moments in Hollywood.
Copy !req
2061. I'm pretty sure that
I have died more than
anyone else in the Wick series.
Copy !req
2062. Wick 2, in the tunnels,
I was taking just shotgun hits.
Copy !req
2063. Wick 3,
Halle killed me as well.
Copy !req
2064. I played guards
inside the Continental.
Copy !req
2065. I die twice in
the club scene...
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in the house of mirrors,
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2068. a bunch of times
inside the tunnel,
Copy !req
2069. probably like
four times in there.
Copy !req
2070. I also doubled
Michael Nyqvist, so I guess
I died there as well.
Copy !req
2071. There's a fight scene
in John Wick 1
that Keanu strangles me.
Copy !req
2072. Then in 2, we shot a big scene
in Lincoln Square, I think,
Copy !req
2073. but it never made it
in the movie.
Copy !req
2074. Then in John Wick 3,
I'm the guy
who kicks him underwater,
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2075. super slow motion,
Copy !req
2076. then Keanu comes up,
blows my brains out.
Copy !req
2077. At Trader Joe's, there was some
young guy who kind of was like,
Copy !req
2078. "You've been in a movie.
I've seen it. I've seen it."
Copy !req
2079. I was like, "Yeah, I've been
in a couple movies
like John Wick."
Copy !req
2080. He's like, "You were
in John Wick?" I go,
"Yeah." He's like, "Cool."
Copy !req
2081. And then the next day
I come in, and he yells
from across the way,
Copy !req
2082. "Hey, hey,
that's the Speedo guy."
Copy !req
2083. Check, recheck.
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2084. Cut!
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because we shot everything
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because of weather,
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2087. and Halle had broken her ribs
and needed time to heal.
Copy !req
2088. And so we had this
moment in time where
we were editing the movie,
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2089. but the middle
of the movie wasn't there.
Copy !req
2090. We still couldn't
figure it out.
Copy !req
2091. We didn't have enough money
to do that piece.
Copy !req
2092. And then got to Morocco,
and Morocco was awful.
Copy !req
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just like everything about it.
Copy !req
2094. We were supposed to shoot
in one place.
We ended up in Essaouira.
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2095. We couldn't permit anything.
Copy !req
2096. And then, we had the dogs,
which also we had to ferry
from the US.
Copy !req
2097. There's five dogs.
We get there, and one of
the dogs wouldn't perform
Copy !req
2098. because they just
didn't like Morocco.
Copy !req
2099. It was also
this fishing village,
Copy !req
2100. and so there was
dead fish everywhere,
Copy !req
2101. which meant there was
stray cats everywhere.
Copy !req
2102. So there was
fucking cats everywhere.
Copy !req
2103. Santana, over here.
Copy !req
2104. Santana, over here. Hey.
Copy !req
2105. In trying to get the dogs
to focus and not kill the cats,
Copy !req
2106. we built a cat hotel
on the side of the set.
Copy !req
2107. I mean, it was
just like pure mayhem.
Copy !req
2108. Fuck!
Copy !req
2109. When we wrap, everyone
always has the same emotion,
which is "Never again."
Copy !req
2110. Like, "Fuck this. Never again."
Especially Keanu.
Copy !req
2111. At the end of every John Wick,
we're like, "There's just
never gonna be another one,"
Copy !req
2112. because we are so dead
and we hate each other,
Copy !req
2113. and Keanu
is literally half dead.
Copy !req
2114. Halfway through, Keanu's like,
"At the end of this movie..."
Copy !req
2115. I'm not exaggerating. He goes,
"I want to be beheaded.
Copy !req
2116. I want to see the guy
holding up my head."
Copy !req
2117. And I'm just like,
"One, no, and two, nice try,
Copy !req
2118. 'cause you will never be able
to come back again."
Copy !req
2119. After 3, we were like, "Okay.
Copy !req
2120. That's it. That's enough."
That's good.
Copy !req
2121. "We've done it. We're good."
Copy !req
2122. And it just kept eating at me,
eating at me.
Copy !req
2123. Like, we didn't get to do
our Japanese portion.
Copy !req
2124. We didn't get to do
our samurai version.
There was so much left.
Copy !req
2125. I remember sitting with you
going, "Okay, I got
a pretty good why this time."
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2126. You just felt like
there was more to do.
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2127. Yeah.
Copy !req
2128. Do you think you're ready to do
the forward 180 one-handed?
Copy !req
2129. Yes.
And with your right hand?
Copy !req
2130. Let's try it.
Let's try it.
Copy !req
2131. Do you want the gun now
or on the next one?
Copy !req
2132. Let's do it on the next one.
Okay, I got it.
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2133. We were told that
there was too much action
in John Wick 3,
Copy !req
2134. - so we had to cut it down.
- No.
Copy !req
2135. Boy, did we
show them in number four, huh?
Copy !req
2136. What was hard about 4
was we weren't in New York,
Copy !req
2137. so the DNA of the movie
had changed.
Copy !req
2138. So all of a sudden,
we were making kinda like
the international Wick version,
Copy !req
2139. which was like
a little bit hard for us
to get our sea legs.
Copy !req
2140. And we had Donnie Yen...
Copy !req
2141. which, amazing, but also
another movie star on set.
Copy !req
2142. And we started sort of behind.
We were spending
a lot of money.
Copy !req
2143. It was coming off
the pandemic, all of the masks
and all that bullshit.
Copy !req
2144. And it was a gigantic movie.
Copy !req
2145. And it was also
almost 100 days.
Copy !req
2146. You know, when you think
about the first movie,
it was like 40.
Copy !req
2147. Oh, my hips.
Copy !req
2148. You could push someone
well past the limit
Copy !req
2149. when you're
shooting 40 or 50 days.
Copy !req
2150. When you're on day 92,
you got to be careful.
Copy !req
2151. Cut!
Goddamn it.
Copy !req
2152. Why can't I fucking do
that fucking throw?
Copy !req
2153. They never got easier,
and even as John Wick 4,
Copy !req
2154. you know, now we got
a hundred plus million dollars,
Copy !req
2155. because now we're— we're
trying to make $120 million
Copy !req
2156. look like $200 million.
Copy !req
2157. We also didn't have
our, like, core,
Copy !req
2158. that crew that we had
for the three other movies,
Copy !req
2159. and it felt different.
Copy !req
2160. All of a sudden,
we're like based in Berlin.
Copy !req
2161. We had a lot of
different teams.
Copy !req
2162. And so, it was just like
getting into a rhythm was hard.
Copy !req
2163. Is that another car?
Copy !req
2164. No. It would be...
So, he would hit—
Copy !req
2165. He hits the car,
doesn't know he hits the car,
then he gets floored?
Copy !req
2166. Yeah. And behind that car,
Bruce comes out of the abyss.
Copy !req
2167. Chad said, "I need you
to come do Wick 4."
Copy !req
2168. I was like, "Awesome. We're
gonna have the team together."
Copy !req
2169. Nope. No Jackson because he's
becoming a fight coordinator,
stunt coordinator.
Copy !req
2170. JoJo's working
on his own shows.
Copy !req
2171. So, I was under the microscope
of Chad with no older brothers
to watch my back.
Copy !req
2172. Nice.
Copy !req
2173. Chad just was like, "You're up.
Don't fuck up."
Copy !req
2174. Instead of blocking,
you shoot. And I shoot.
And he's like, I shoot.
Copy !req
2175. It sounds very...
It looks very childish.
Copy !req
2176. Donnie was a whole
nother entity to deal with.
Copy !req
2177. Being the perfectionist
that he is,
Copy !req
2178. he takes regular
fight choreography and puts
his Donnie factor on it,
Copy !req
2179. and he throws
a bunch of curveballs that
we just had to be ready for.
Copy !req
2180. This is...
There's no technique.
Copy !req
2181. We got to put some Filipino,
like, a Kali in there.
Copy !req
2182. Pop, pop, pop, pop.
You know, the pop...
You know, use that technique.
Copy !req
2183. So, the pressure was high,
but he just wanted the best.
Copy !req
2184. Cut!
That's fucking awesome.
Copy !req
2185. And that's
how I would equate Chad.
Copy !req
2186. Chad wants the best.
Copy !req
2187. In Chad's words,
"Don't do your best.
Do my best."
Copy !req
2188. I'll tell you one thing,
because Chad
changes things so much.
Copy !req
2189. The nunchuck fight
is almost shot for shot
the previs.
Copy !req
2190. So, there's one thing
I'm proud about.
Copy !req
2191. Good, cut. Cut.
Copy !req
2192. Keanu was extra stressed out
during the nunchuck fight
Copy !req
2193. because the first thing
you think about when you see
nunchucks is Bruce Lee.
Copy !req
2194. Nunchucks
are always one of those things
that sounds great
Copy !req
2195. until you realize
how much work has to go
into them, as we found out.
Copy !req
2196. And back in his day,
they didn't make all soft...
Copy !req
2197. Didn't have the soft side.
rubbery.
Copy !req
2198. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's all wood.
No. Wood.
Copy !req
2199. When Tiger and I were
trying them, they were...
there was a penalty.
Copy !req
2200. Consequences.
Copy !req
2201. So many times.
Copy !req
2202. There was
a lot of penalties
on John Wick 4.
Copy !req
2203. I'd pick up the real pair
and go like, "Oh, no."
Copy !req
2204. No, no.
Copy !req
2205. Literally, anybody
that picked up the real pair,
ten seconds later,
Copy !req
2206. yeah, put them back down
going, "Fuck."
Copy !req
2207. And action!
Copy !req
2208. Probably
we should have bee able to
shoot that fight in half a day.
Copy !req
2209. Wrong fucking hand, Reeves.
Copy !req
2210. But Keanu had
a horrible ear infection.
Could not hear anything.
Copy !req
2211. I know he had to feel awful.
Copy !req
2212. Goddamn it.
Copy !req
2213. It took us, I think,
Copy !req
2214. at least a whole day,
maybe a day and a half.
Copy !req
2215. But, you know, he never quit.
Copy !req
2216. Why do I keep doing that, man?
Copy !req
2217. Keanu, throughout
the whole movie of Wick 4,
he kind of had the flu.
Copy !req
2218. And the work ethic
to work through it was intense
Copy !req
2219. because we had
already started shooting.
Copy !req
2220. He was doing
a couple other fights.
Copy !req
2221. But on his off time,
when he wasn't on camera,
Copy !req
2222. he was training nunchucks.
Copy !req
2223. We would say, "You're sick.
Take a day off."
Copy !req
2224. He's like, "No days off.
I shoot nunchucks
in a couple days."
Copy !req
2225. Does he have a wall?
We've never found it.
Copy !req
2226. Ready and action!
Copy !req
2227. A lot of
the Wicks are like love letters
to things that we love.
Copy !req
2228. Like the low-budget
action movies
we grew up loving.
Copy !req
2229. So we had Mark Dacascos
in John Wick 3.
Copy !req
2230. I mean, we had Gary Daniels
in number two,
Daniel Bernhardt,
Copy !req
2231. you know, Yayan and Cecep
from The Raid.
Copy !req
2232. I mean, look who we got
on number four.
Copy !req
2233. That was one of the things.
We don't know the script,
Copy !req
2234. but I know Scott Adkins
is going to be in a fat suit.
Copy !req
2235. Chad, I want to be
in John Wick 4.
Copy !req
2236. Yeah.
That phone call—
Copy !req
2237. Thanks for this opportunity.
I really appreciate it.
Copy !req
2238. I remember that phone call—
Copy !req
2239. But I don't wanna do
another movie with you.
Copy !req
2240. I've had enough,
to be quite frank.
Copy !req
2241. Nothing's better for me when
I get to call up Marko Zaror,
Copy !req
2242. who I didn't know before
we worked together, saying,
Copy !req
2243. "Hey, man, I really love
all your films." He's like,
"You're kidding, right?"
Copy !req
2244. I was like, "No, really.
We watch them all the time.
They're awesome."
Copy !req
2245. I killed Mark Dacascos.
Copy !req
2246. I killed Scott Adkins. Now
I'm going to kill Marko Zaror.
Copy !req
2247. Who's left, man?
Cynthia Rothrock?
Copy !req
2248. Shamier,
when you come in,
give it a one one-thousand,
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2249. then he can
build in his look.
Cool.
Copy !req
2250. Beat, one one-thousand, go.
Copy !req
2251. That's your first one.
Cool.
Copy !req
2252. Should I wait to see him
before I dodge?
Copy !req
2253. I think you could do it
at the same time.
Shamier counts to 1,000.
Copy !req
2254. If you go to peek
as soon as you hit...
Okay.
Copy !req
2255. you'll run into him
and that can be the,
"Oh, shit."
Copy !req
2256. Okay.
Someone say action.
Copy !req
2257. Ready, and action.
Copy !req
2258. Boom. Go back. Boom.
Copy !req
2259. Bang.
Copy !req
2260. Bang.
Copy !req
2261. Bang. Drop gun.
Draw. Bang, bang.
Copy !req
2262. Nice. Action hero.
Copy !req
2263. We came up with
this idea for top shot
and what you see here...
Copy !req
2264. Why do you keep saying "we"?
Well, I mean the crew.
Everybody.
Copy !req
2265. 'Cause like, okay,
I came up with the idea,
this is my thought...
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2266. What do you mean?
This is like
one of the first things,
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2267. this was one of the ideas,
the concepts that followed us,
Copy !req
2268. the duel, the top shot...
Exactly.
Copy !req
2269. More horses,
that was on the plate.
Copy !req
2270. So, we came up
with all this stuff.
Why? Where's the "we"?
Copy !req
2271. Well...
can you lie?
Copy !req
2272. You! You!
No. No.
Copy !req
2273. - You!
- They don't see it
'cause top shots—
Copy !req
2274. No. There was no we who said,
"I see a top shot
in John Wick 4."
Copy !req
2275. We wanted to do a top shot—
Copy !req
2276. It was like, "I'm Chad
and, yeah, that's what
I see in my head."
Copy !req
2277. All right,
so kooky director guy
comes up with this idea.
Copy !req
2278. Thank you.
And I used to play
with Etch A Sketch as a kid.
Copy !req
2279. So, I'm like seeing things
in Etch A Sketch world.
Copy !req
2280. And one of the things
I've always hated about action
movies is editing to hide,
Copy !req
2281. camerawork to hide.
Copy !req
2282. Because most times,
you don't have Keanu Reeves,
Copy !req
2283. you don't have
six months of rehearsals,
Copy !req
2284. you don't have the best
stunt teams in the world.
Copy !req
2285. So, you're hiding wires,
you're hiding green screen,
Copy !req
2286. you're hiding stunt doubles,
you're hiding,
hiding, hiding, hiding.
Copy !req
2287. So what would happen if you
didn't have to hide anything?
Copy !req
2288. We wanted to say,
"Hey, watch this, guys.
Copy !req
2289. We're gonna see
Keanu Reeves do all this,
come up to a top shot
Copy !req
2290. and then show all the bad guys
behind the wall,"
Copy !req
2291. so the audience
is in on the gags,
even before our lead actor is,
Copy !req
2292. because they can see
the bad guys coming in.
Copy !req
2293. Kind of like Etch A Sketch.
Copy !req
2294. But I don't think
there's been a time
Copy !req
2295. where we haven't had pushback,
because people don't see it.
Copy !req
2296. So, without maybe
telling anybody,
we started to build the set.
Copy !req
2297. So we're already
spending the money.
Copy !req
2298. So by the time the
actual "no" came back,
Copy !req
2299. we had kind of already built
three-quarters of the set.
Copy !req
2300. So, the rationale was, "Well,
we might as well shoot it,
Copy !req
2301. but you guys got to
do it in two days."
Copy !req
2302. You don't take dictation
from the studio by any stretch,
Copy !req
2303. but you try to figure out
a middle ground.
Copy !req
2304. As someone who has to live
between the creative
Copy !req
2305. and the financial and,
you know, the studio
and Chad, it's hard.
Copy !req
2306. I mean, he never accepts no
as the answer. And beauty
and magic come out of that.
Copy !req
2307. But man, you go fully gray.
Copy !req
2308. I think that the proof's
kind of in the pudding, right?
Copy !req
2309. Number one is pretty good.
Copy !req
2310. Hopefully number two is better,
three is better,
Copy !req
2311. 4 is... I'm most proud of,
because I think
Copy !req
2312. it's the most anime
with framing, composition,
depth of field.
Copy !req
2313. Chad has
always been very cognizant
Copy !req
2314. that John Wick is a franchise
that's dripping with tone.
Copy !req
2315. And it's that Sergio Leone,
like, take your time,
move through the scene,
Copy !req
2316. be with the character.
Copy !req
2317. Chad was very much into not
cutting into a lot of details.
Copy !req
2318. He wants to play it
as wide as possible,
Copy !req
2319. have dolly shots
and crane shots and Steadicam.
Copy !req
2320. So we would try to move
the camera as much as we can
Copy !req
2321. to make it more epic,
more classic.
Copy !req
2322. And so, even in
the earliest discussions,
Copy !req
2323. we always make sure
that, like,
Copy !req
2324. does this feel important
and does it feel special?
Copy !req
2325. Does it feel like
we're presenting
an image worth resting on?
Copy !req
2326. Pretty cool.
Copy !req
2327. Sacré-Coeur.
Copy !req
2328. John Wick's final scene.
Copy !req
2329. This is where it happens?
Copy !req
2330. The duel.
Copy !req
2331. Should be pretty cool.
Copy !req
2332. If we can only figure out how
to light it and how to shoot it
Copy !req
2333. and how to perform it
and how to edit it
Copy !req
2334. and how to put score to it,
make it look really cool,
we'd be set.
Copy !req
2335. Especially because we start
shooting in... 34 minutes.
Copy !req
2336. And so we begin.
Copy !req
2337. After Chapter 3,
it was like, why?
Copy !req
2338. And I was saying, like,
"The why is he has to die."
Copy !req
2339. And I think as soon
as I said that,
Copy !req
2340. you— you were like—
No, it's like, "I'm in."
Copy !req
2341. Once you say that,
that's the period, right?
Copy !req
2342. And then
you got to figure out how.
Yeah. How?
Copy !req
2343. If he's got to die, like,
we got to make this count.
Copy !req
2344. And I think that was
the hardest part, right?
Copy !req
2345. Because we knew, one of the
first things we wanted to do,
like, we wanted to do a duel.
Copy !req
2346. Positions, gentlemen.
Copy !req
2347. Then, you're like,
"Okay, but it's got to
mean something, like..."
Copy !req
2348. Yeah.
My duel was like,
"Well, he'll win."
Copy !req
2349. And you're like,
"Whoa, whoa, whoa.
He's got to lose.
Copy !req
2350. But he wins
and he gets what he wants."
Copy !req
2351. So, how do we get him out
of this whole life?
Copy !req
2352. How do we
get out of everything?
Mmm.
Copy !req
2353. And that's when we set up
the whole Donnie's
character's backstory
Copy !req
2354. of saving a daughter.
Yeah.
Copy !req
2355. And Hiroyuki's character
Copy !req
2356. of the daughter survives him.
Copy !req
2357. So you lose a friend
and a friend has to
fight you in the duel.
Copy !req
2358. Because originally we had
Marquis duels you—
Copy !req
2359. Right, yeah.
It took a little while.
Copy !req
2360. It was like a clock trying to
figure out the right mechanism.
Copy !req
2361. How do we tell
John Wick time?
Yeah, exactly.
Copy !req
2362. Chad always talks
about how he loves
the idea of frenemies.
Copy !req
2363. It's in all of the movies,
but especially
in John Wick 4, right?
Copy !req
2364. Like the Caine and Wick
relationship
Copy !req
2365. and the idea that you can
love your brother,
Copy !req
2366. but then also want
to kill your brother.
Copy !req
2367. I missed you, John.
Copy !req
2368. It's so good to
sit with a friend.
Copy !req
2369. I love the Japanese concept
of secrets and hidden whispers,
Copy !req
2370. meaning only a warrior knows
a warrior, only a soldier...
Copy !req
2371. Like you have to be
in the trenches with someone
to really know them.
Copy !req
2372. And just, I mean, that shot
alone, two guys sitting there
Copy !req
2373. both knowing they have to
face each other the next day,
I thought that was—
Copy !req
2374. In a church.
In a church.
Copy !req
2375. We're damned...
Copy !req
2376. you and I.
Copy !req
2377. On that we agree.
Copy !req
2378. What we've all tried to do
in John Wick
Copy !req
2379. is link John Wick
to everybody in the movie,
Copy !req
2380. so he's always got
a relationship,
so no one's a throwaway.
Copy !req
2381. And I think that's why
John's so beloved,
even though he's an assassin.
Copy !req
2382. I mean, even the tracker
who's literally just met him.
Copy !req
2383. Because we don't have
the stereotypes
of good guy, bad guy,
Copy !req
2384. we can fuck with
relationships like that.
Copy !req
2385. Like Donnie and him
were probably best friends
at a point.
Copy !req
2386. See you in the next life, brother.
Copy !req
2387. Like, Hiroyuki's a best friend,
but John puts him in danger,
Copy !req
2388. and Hiroyuki stands up for him.
Copy !req
2389. Friendship means little
when it's convenient.
Copy !req
2390. To play with friendship
and bonding and loyalty
like that is a real luxury.
Copy !req
2391. Fire!
Copy !req
2392. You started
John Wick 1 with John Wick
falling to his side.
Copy !req
2393. Yep.
Copy !req
2394. And then, there he is.
Copy !req
2395. He gets his grace.
Copy !req
2396. We're doing
this little focal thing.
Mm-hmm.
Copy !req
2397. So I'll have you guys
look at the gravestone.
Copy !req
2398. When I say "Laurence,"
they'll rack over
to you. You turn—
Copy !req
2399. And then make my turn.
Exactly.
Copy !req
2400. Very good.
Copy !req
2401. Is this
the last— not last shot.
Copy !req
2402. You're making the last shot
in the movie.
Copy !req
2403. I think. Although,
I could change my mind.
Copy !req
2404. Probably tomorrow.
Copy !req
2405. Or now.
I've just changed my mind.
Copy !req
2406. So it's not the last one?
Copy !req
2407. Why? Who wants to know?
Copy !req
2408. How much
does one more cost?
Copy !req
2409. We're still talking
about John Wick
and John Wick universe a lot.
Copy !req
2410. But whether or not there's
a specifically John Wick 5,
I don't know.
Copy !req
2411. Where do you think he is,
heaven or hell?
Copy !req
2412. Who knows?
Copy !req
2413. I think the movies
are so, you know, hyperreal.
Copy !req
2414. And we've proven that,
you know,
Copy !req
2415. people can survive
all sorts of crazy things.
Copy !req
2416. So, it's whatever
we want it to be.
Copy !req
2417. We still have
ideas left...
I know. We still have—
Copy !req
2418. that we
haven't done, man!
Copy !req
2419. It is a bit surreal
that after a decade
of nonstop John Wick,
Copy !req
2420. that we'll have a break
and that Chad's going off
and do another movie.
Copy !req
2421. I'm hoping, selfishly,
he's gonna go,
Copy !req
2422. "This is what it's like
to direct a regular movie.
Copy !req
2423. I want to go back
to John Wick, where I could
do whatever the hell I want
Copy !req
2424. and Keanu will do
anything I ask."
Copy !req
2425. Creatively,
like, even if—
Copy !req
2426. I mean, if you and I
just spend, like,
seven minutes
Copy !req
2427. and we could figure out,
like, what haven't we done,
Copy !req
2428. and we could come up
with ideas for 5
Copy !req
2429. and it would be like...
You know, it wouldn't suck.
Copy !req
2430. Wick is pain.
It'd just be a different pain
on a different day.
Copy !req
2431. Yeah. But maybe
we can find
another story to tell
Copy !req
2432. and cook another meal.
Copy !req
2433. I can't wait to see
what happens next in action.
Copy !req
2434. It's like fashion. It changes.
There's generations.
It evolves.
Copy !req
2435. To be part of that movement
is really exciting.
Copy !req
2436. People always send me clips
of different movies.
Copy !req
2437. "Hey, look, they're copying
John Wick" or
"They're trying to do gun fu."
Copy !req
2438. I dig that.
Copy !req
2439. You know, when you read
a script and it just says,
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2440. "John Wick action happens."
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2441. I kinda... You smile.
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2442. You're like,
okay, that's pretty...
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2443. I kind of play it off.
But I'm pretty like,
"That's pretty cool."
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2444. That's inspiring because being
competitive is what drives us.
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2445. And that's being competitive
with what's been done,
including ourselves.
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2446. I don't have any competition
with Chad in my head.
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2447. I don't think
I have any competition.
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2448. I mean,
he does his own thing.
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2449. He's doing...
Well, he's in his own world.
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2450. He does Wick.
Like, he loves Wick.
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2451. Wick is fucking Chad.
Chad and Keanu, they're Wick.
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2452. They bleed Wick.
They die Wick. They're like
Wick, you know?
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2453. And that's why it's so good,
you know?
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2454. 'Cause Wick is pain.
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2455. Um...
Maybe Wick is pain.
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2456. Maybe it's a great name
for the documentary.
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2457. I think if there's one thing
that the Wick process
has taught me,
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2458. just from watching
Keanu and everything,
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2459. is pain's not necessarily
a bad thing,
you know what I mean?
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2460. Pain's just the end result,
often, of just brave choices
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2461. or putting yourself out there
or trying to win.
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2462. Yeah, we all have to suffer.
We all have to train hard.
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2463. But to me, no, honestly,
I love that.
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2464. That's what I do
every day anyway.
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2465. You have to suffer a little bit
to be better, you know?
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2466. I mean, our bodies suffer.
Our minds suffer.
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2467. And I love that.
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2468. We want to make it the best.
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2469. And in order to make it
the best, you got to do
whatever it takes.
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2470. And sometimes it hurts.
It hurts.
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2471. And it hurts you,
and it hurts
the people around you,
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2472. maybe the people
that are close to you.
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2473. But Wick isn't pain.
I mean, Wick's a blessing.
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2474. I mean,
it's like movie magic.
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2475. It's, you know...
We all hit a creative
and financial jackpot.
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2476. And, you know, there
isn't a day that goes by
where I'm not like,
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2477. "Thank fucking god
Wick's a part of my life."
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2478. Is the pain worth it? Yeah.
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2479. It's just a lot of pain.
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2480. Congratulations.
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2481. Awesome.
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2482. Good job.
Thank you, guys.
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2483. It's like one of
the greatest gifts
I've had in my life.
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2484. Well done.
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2485. I had a John Wick decade,
my 50s.
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2486. Fuck yeah.
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2487. I don't know if I could have
another decade like that.
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2488. Um...
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2489. Yeah, I'd be
very, very lucky.
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2490. But, uh, yeah.
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2491. Wick is pain.
Wick is celebration.
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2492. Wick is surviving.
Wick is trying to be free.
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2493. Wick is grieving.
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2494. Against the odds, surviving.
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2495. Wick is friendship.
Wick is love.
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2496. You know?
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2497. It's all those
kind of big ideas
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2498. in this... action movie.
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2499. And Wick is funny.
And John Wick is funny.
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