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what we do based on how we've been gendered.
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Matt, that question right
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if it's his truth? Well, it ain't true.
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sexist signed at birth.
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the nights before I get up what
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me to give you a set of biological or
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associated with one gender or the other.
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378. I'm not seeking any type of definition.
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379. I'm just seeking a definition.
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380. Yeah, I gave you one.
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381. Well, now I can say I've been to College.
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382. Glad I didn't pay for it.
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383. Is there anyone willing to
give me a straight answer?
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384. Ideally somebody with a bunch
of medical degrees on the wall.
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385. Dr.
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and medical doctor and
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work in child psychiatry.
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with one's biological sex.
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more recently, which is
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with their biological sex.
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or as adolescents, they come out and
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saying is that if a man is male
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woman, he's not actually a woman.
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412. That's correct.
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talking about? The same truth
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this room right now, you and I.
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I say that's a female chicken laying
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I just observing a physical reality
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a chicken have gender identity? Does
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commit suicide because you're talking.
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429. So we assign female the chickens and they lay eggs.
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431. Now, I was told that really,
everyone agrees with the current
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transitioning kids and all that.
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are a dinosaur and a bigot, are
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bigoted and I am not a dinosaur.
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competed against a
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during my freshman year.
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the two transgender athletes
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all of us girls in the dust.
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years of high school, I
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against biological males.
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sprinting events, but I raced against these
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the years, and every single time I lost.
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would have won otherwise or trophies you
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meters out of medals and qualifying spots.
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have been able to qualify.
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451. So I missed out on so much throughout my high school career.
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almost all the events between
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every single event they competed in.
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frustrating and heartbreaking
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athletes train so hard to
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second off of our time and going
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we will never be able to win.
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individuals, you look at
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men, against the boys.
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of the pack, and then they're
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first and second place.
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unfair advantage that those individuals
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not indicative of an unfair advantage.
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this is that more transgender girls are
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playing sports and they're not winning.
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472. But there are many more trans girls competing in sports, and they don't excel.
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477. The norm is that transgender youth don't win that much in sports games.
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a transgender young person does
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really an advantage to being trans.
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to being transgender in sports,
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women totally dominating.
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of the pool, nobody will
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man a feel like a woman.
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487. Transgender swimmer Leah Thomas breaking barriers and records.
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Sports Illustrated calls the
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controversial athlete in America.
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490. Leah obviously helps us do better, right? Swimming really fast.
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491. Leah's performance helps the University of Pennsylvania swim team.
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492. The feeling of winning doesn't feel as good anymore because it feels painted.
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you couldn't talk about that
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like a locker room situation.
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495. If you even brought up concerns about it, you were transphobic.
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fact that Leah swimming
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were immediately shut down.
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sit everyone down and
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everyone's really upset about.
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brought in people high
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Department to talk to us.
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504. They brought in someone from the LGBTQ center.
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505. They brought in someone from the psychological services.
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506. So you're upset about what's happening and so you need psychological help.
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507. Yeah.
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they said, look, we understand
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Leah, swimming is a non negotiable.
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510. However, we can help you make that okay.
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511. That's what we here for.
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513. Why did you decide that you can't have your face out there
saying these things? They've made it pretty clear that
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and you say anything negative
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in some way, you'll be lost.
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518. If you come out and then you'll never be able to get a job.
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to hire you will look you up
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520. and see your transphobic
and your life will be over.
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521. Let's say that I identified
as a woman tomorrow, and I
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locker room where you are.
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523. Should I be allowed to do that? As long as I identify that way, I don't know.
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524. I just feel that other women would be uncomfortable by you walking in.
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526. That's right.
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527. Video of spa goers complaining was posted on social media.
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528. I just want to be clear with you.
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529. It's okay for a man
to go into the women's
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around the other women.
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533. We spa condone that.
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534. Is that what you're saying? Like I asked, he could stay there.
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535. He could stay there.
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537. I see a ditch.
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538. Police identified the
person involved as 52
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of Riverside County.
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540. Moragor, who has been a
registered sex offender since
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counts of indecent exposure.
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542. Hello, I'm Congressman Mark Dakano.
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543. Trans month of visibility is a
time to recognize the strength,
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the transgender community.
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545. Together, we can make our country and our world
a more accepting place by speaking out against
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community by getting the quality acts signed into law.
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548. Thanks for joining us.
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Congress who's a member of
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also a person of Asian descent.
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552. Yes.
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553. What is the Equality Act? If you were to just summarize it very briefly, I know it does a lot.
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the Equality Act is that it simply amends
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sexual orientation and gender identity.
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556. So public accommodations is one area.
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558. Currently, public
accommodations is the whole area
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bathrooms and sports teams.
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560. Is that.
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561. I say bathrooms, sports teams, athletic events.
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563. There are some women who say and I've talked to a few who say this.
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565. I'd prefer not to encounter naked penises.
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566. Frankly, they say even that the penis is a telltale sign that someone is a male.
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567. There are people really bought into the rumor that only men have penises.
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a woman's bathroom, who identifies
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think of themselves as a female.
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573. Bathrooms are where you want to take this
conversation instead of the basic right to
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574. dislike is something that I'm kind of
mystified that you're kind of not focusing on.
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575. First, we're going straight to the controversy over bathrooms.
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576. So you know what? I think this interview is overview is over.
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577. I just had one last question.
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578. The interview is over.
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579. We want to know what is a woman? Please turn off the camera.
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580. I just wanted to know.
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581. I came all this way to know what they're fair.
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582. Quote, I just wanted to know what is a woman.
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583. My trip to California
isn't providing many
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I'm making new friends.
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585. Do you worry about kids walking
around out here? No, because I
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of the most well adjusted adults.
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587. They grew up around naked people.
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588. And there's been studies that have
shown that children raised around
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fewer hang ups when they're adults.
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590. People do have hang ups.
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592. Can anyone be any gender they
want to be? Can a man become a
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people do? That's personal choice.
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594. People can live the life they want to.
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597. That's why I respect other people's rights to choose what they want to do.
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as to what it means to be a woman? You
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to be women, especially trans women.
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600. Who what it means to be women.
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603. Gay men don't know nothing about what it means to be a woman.
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that they're not allowed to talk about
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and say what a gay man is allowed to be.
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then you shouldn't have an opinion? Where
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woman is? Women only know what women are.
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If my friend in the purple hat is correct
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612. and only women can tell me what a woman is,
I guess I need to go where the women are.
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613. Oh, you're at the women's March.
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only people who can get pregnant?
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617. If men can get pregnant, too, I
think they want the right to choose.
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618. But men can get pregnant.
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who was born as a woman
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I'm asking these questions,
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out what a woman is.
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632. That's why I'm here.
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635. I've come all this way, ask that question.
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642. Maybe I'm looking too close to home.
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643. We came a long way to come and talk to you guys thousands of miles from America.
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644. Thank you for inviting us into your tribe.
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645. First of all, I can say it is my pleasure to meet you and feel most welcome.
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646. But you're here to learn with me.
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647. I'm here to learn with you too.
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648. Great.
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649. with the elbow? Yeah.
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651. I guess it's not good, but I thought it was pretty good.
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652. Not good enough to be a man yet.
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653. What does a man do? What
are his roles within the tribe?
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654. At the role of a man, you
need to work for your woman.
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655. Secondly, to have children.
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and you don't have
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you are not still a man.
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man has its own duty and a lady cannot
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man cannot do the duty of a woman.
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665. It looks like if you want
to become a lady, but
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something wrong in your mom.
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669. What about if someone was non binary? Come again? Non binary.
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670. Someone is neither.
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you'll hear people say a
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woman trapped in a man's body.
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686. They want to know a woman has the breast.
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690. And the question is, does
this man deliver? Does
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not as far as I know.
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say if you want to sleep a
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do sexy, is it? But for the
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that question? I don't know
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based on what I'm saying.
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698. So it sounds like you don't spend a lot of time thinking about gender.
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from? Who came up with
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710. You're a parent, right? Okay.
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711. It's perfectly normal for ten years.
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712. for ten and up, huh? It's unspeakable what these people have done to our children.
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decided that we need to start teaching kids
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age? So I'll answer that with one word.
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do that, and I would say he succeeded.
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are sexual from birth, that
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creatures from cradle to grave.
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happiness is found in a life of
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no matter the age.
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conclusions on data he
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offenders and child molesters.
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728. He also performed horrific sexual experiments on children, some under the age of one.
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Sexual Behavior in the
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infamous chart called table
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the orgasms of very young
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young as five months old.
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733. But instead of suffering the
consequences for his heinous actions,
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by academia and Hollywood.
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735. His ideas form the foundation for sexual education and public schools today.
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736. How do we get from this to you can choose your own gender.
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737. Okay, well, now we have another and very important character.
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are gender neutral at birth, and
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whether a person is a man or a woman.
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about his theory that a boy
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do just fine and vice versa.
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two young twin boys, the Rhymer Twins,
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old and they went to be circumcised.
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748. The first twin, whose name
was Bruce, something went
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and his penis was burnt off.
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750. They stopped and didn't
do a second circumcision
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as you might imagine.
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752. And the parents, of course, didn't know what to do.
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raise this child? John Money
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to transition him into a girl.
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experiments on the twins throughout
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them to simulate sex acts on each other.
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757. He reported up to the age of ten that this was a complete success.
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him the truth, and he chose
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762. to transition back to a
boy, taking the name David.
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763. As an adult, David spoke out about the abuse and the damage done to him by John Money.
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764. The girls would do their
things with their barbecues
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765. and things like that, and
that wouldn't interest me.
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766. And things such as
trucks and rolling forts
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767. and getting to the fist
fight, climbing trees.
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768. That's the kind of stuff that I like.
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769. But it was unacceptable.
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770. So I never as a girl, as a girl, I had no place to fit in.
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771. The trauma that he and his brother and his entire family went through left deep scars.
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772. His brother died of an overdose when he was 38, and then David committed suicide.
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773. There was never a retraction or an apology from John Money.
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774. Instead, his ideas were adopted
by mainstream psychology,
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775. and they formed the basis
of gender ideology today.
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776. Why don't more people know
about John Money and offered Kinsey?
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777. Evidently, there are forces that
don't want this information out.
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778. I never said I was an Alpha female sales executive.
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779. That kind of just didn't fit in any box.
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780. When psychologists or somebody
that I was in love with or whatever said
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781. that I was in the wrong body, I
started to think, well, maybe I am.
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782. I'm a biological woman
that medically transitioned to
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783. appear like a male through
synthetic hormones and surgery.
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784. I will never be a man.
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785. Is it transphobic for me to tell the truth?
Why is it then, a couple of hundred years
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786. from now, if you dug
up my body, they're going
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787. to go, yeah, that was
a woman had babies.
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788. Can you tell me about the procedures that you had? I've had seven surgeries.
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789. I've had one stress heart attack.
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790. I've had a helicopter life ride with pulmonary embolism.
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791. I've had 17 rounds of antibiotics.
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792. I had six inches of hair on the inside of my retrain for 17 months.
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793. Nobody would help me,
including the doctor that
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I lost my insurance.
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795. I get infections every three to four months.
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796. I'm probably not going to live very long.
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797. Was there any real discussion of the risks and the side effects? No, there's not.
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798. And I know that people want to think that there is, but there's not.
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799. The truth is that medical transition is experimental.
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800. We have studies that
said that medical transition
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801. helps mental health,
helps mental health of kids.
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802. They've all been retracted, modified, changed.
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803. But the only long term study
tells us seven to ten years is
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804. when transgender people are
the most suicidal after surgery.
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805. But that's transphobic to say
for the first time in history, a
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806. marginalized group has a huge
dollar sign on the top of their head.
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807. We have five children's hospitals in the United States promoting that.
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808. That's a paleoplasty.
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809. That's a bottom surgery.
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810. We have five children's
hospitals in the United States
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811. telling girls that they
can be boys at $70,000 a
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812. pop in a surgery that has
a 67% complication rate
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813. that will kill me from
infection that I can't sue on.
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814. We're butchering a
generation of children
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815. because nobody's willing
to talk about anything.
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816. I have three kids at the age that they're doing this to kids.
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817. I'm not transphobic.
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818. I love my kids and I love other people's kids.
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819. And you should, too.
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820. This is wrong on so many levels.
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821. Can kids consent?
Do you think kids are
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822. capable of consenting
to that? No, they're not.
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823. Being a parent is loving the hell out of your kids
and helping them see around corners what's the
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824. youngest patient that you've
operated on? The youngest
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825. patient I've done vaginal
plastic on is age 16.
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826. Do you worry that minors just don't understand
enough about themselves? They're not
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827. neurologically developed
enough yet to make
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828. permit life altering
decisions? Absolutely not.
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829. A young person's self perception.
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830. One day they may be clear, the next day they may be totally confused and not sure.
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831. And you're affirming it
with hormones that have
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832. never been used in this
way in the field of medicine.
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833. You're talking about puberty blockers blockers and then opposite sex hormones.
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834. What age does the medical transition begin with medication.
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835. So medical affirmation begins when the patient says they're ready for it.
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836. So that could be a kiddo
who is just starting puberty
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837. and panicking because
they're getting breast buds
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838. or their penis is getting
bigger and busier and
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839. they're worried about all
kinds of masculine changes.
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840. And that way puberty blockers, which
are completely reversible and don't have
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841. permanent effects, are wonderful
because we can put that pause on puberty.
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842. It's like if you were listening to
music, you put the pause on and we
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843. stopped the blockers and puberty
would go right back to where it was.
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844. The next note in the song just delayed that period of time.
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845. You can just pause puberty.
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846. No, you can't and then pick it up.
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847. No, you can't.
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848. In the future.
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849. No, you can't.
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850. How many studies do
they have? Long term
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851. studies on hormone
blockers with children? None.
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852. I just spoke a month
or two ago with a mother
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853. whose 14 year old
daughter was put on blockers.
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854. They discovered after two years, this 14 year old girl has osteoporosis.
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855. That's something that like old women get.
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856. How can doctors assure parents
that a certain medicine is totally
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857. safe? Based on what you're
saying, they can't possibly know that.
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858. How can they be removing the healthy breaths of 15 year
old girls? How can they be sterilizing kids? How can this
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859. whole thing be happening?
Matt, every child that they
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860. convince is transgender and
in need of medical transition.
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861. It generates $1.3 million to Pharma.
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862. And we're believing a pharmaceutical company, loopron hormone blockers, reversible.
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863. So they say, well, the truth
is that in 2003, Lupron was
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864. sued and deemed a criminal
enterprise by the US government.
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865. They paid the most fine of any pharmaceutical company at that time.
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866. $874,000,000 wrote a check.
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867. Is Lupron chemical castration? Yes.
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868. We're giving it to Pedophiles, aren't we?
We're giving it to people that are dying
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869. and we're giving it to kids telling them
that they were born in the wrong body.
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870. And it's completely safe.
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871. One of the drugs used as Lupron.
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872. Right.
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873. Which has actually been used to chemically pass rate sex offenders.
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874. You know what? I'm not sure
that we should continue with this
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875. interview because it seems like
it's going in a particular direction.
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876. Well, you're a medical professional.
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877. I am a medical professional.
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878. So you don't want to talk
about the drugs that you give
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879. to kids? Again, I'm a
physician and I use medication.
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880. You're choosing exploitive words, drugs I give to you.
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881. I'm choosing a chemical word that was in a dictionary.
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882. That's not a correct term for puberty blocking.
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883. I could look it up on my
phone, but I'm pretty sure
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884. if I looked it up, you can
look it up on your phone.
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885. It says medical definition, the
administration of a drug to bring about a Mark
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886. reduction in the body's production of
androgens and especially testosterone.
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887. And I'm saying as a pediatrician
who takes care of hundreds of these
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888. kids, when you use that terminology,
you were being malignant and harmful.
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889. There are some who would
say that giving chemical
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890. castration drugs to kids
is malignant and harmful.
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891. It's about the context of caring
for a child and seeing the suffering
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892. that kids can have that have not
been in affirmative home situations.
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893. What do you say to the claim
that we have to do this for
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894. these kids? Because if we
don't, they'll kill themselves.
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895. They'll resort to drugs and self harm.
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896. A lot of them were hurting themselves.
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897. A lot of them were suicidal before they even discovered gender.
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898. That is never part of the discussion.
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899. And they say, what would you rather
have? A living daughter or a dead son? If
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900. this is what the professionals are
saying, it's terrible emotional blackmail.
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901. Hello? Hey, is this.
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902. This is.
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903. Yes.
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904. Hey, it's Matt Walsh.
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905. Where are you right now.
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906. I'm in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, right now.
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907. Are you able to leave? I'm not able to leave BC.
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908. I can't even go to another province in Canada right now.
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909. And it's because I'm technically out on bail.
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910. how exactly did this get into the courts to begin with? Right.
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911. So what happened is we set up a meeting
with BC Children's Hospital, and according
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912. to the BC Children's Hospital website,
there's going to be a thorough evaluation.
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913. And I'm thinking, good.
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914. This is going to be the end of it all.
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915. You're going to clearly see that my child is not the opposite sex.
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916. So my ex wife brings my child into VC Children's Hospital.
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917. I get a call less than an hour into
that appointment is that they were going
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918. to pump or pull across sex hormones
within the hour, and I put a halt to that.
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919. I said no.
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920. They agreed to stop for the moment.
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921. They figured, well, let's get the dad on board to you.
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922. This is all going to be better.
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923. Let's just get everybody on the same page.
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924. I said it's not going to happen.
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925. So I get a letter from BC Children's Hospital
in December of 2018, and it says that
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926. under the BC Infants Act, they will start
injecting my child with cross sex hormones.
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927. And I have two weeks to respond with legal action if I still choose.
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928. And so that's how I ended up in court, because I did respond with legal action.
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929. So you called your daughter she and you went to jail for that.
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930. It's considered criminal violence to not use the preferred pronouns.
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931. It's no different than,
let's say I were to take a
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932. broomstick and whack one
of my kids over the head.
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933. So they were treating it in a similar fashion.
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934. That misgendering.
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935. Mispronouncing my child was the equivalent of family violence.
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936. Is she on the hormone pills now? She is.
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937. The court ordered that she could
do whatever she wanted 2010 until
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938. I would say 2016, I would say
80% of my clients were trans youth.
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939. Now it is.
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940. You identify, you take hormones, you do surgery.
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941. There isn't any other pathways.
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942. So if you have two
parents, one parent wants to
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943. affirm the trans identity,
the other parent doesn't.
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944. Who wins that battle? The one who wants to affirm every time.
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945. Every single time.
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946. The goal is to get the parents to affirm the kid.
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947. There's no such thing as a gender affirming therapist.
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948. That's a contradiction in terms.
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949. Why? Because you don't affirm.
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950. If you're a therapist, it's not your business to affirm.
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951. You come to see me because there's something wrong.
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952. Maybe you come to see
me because a destructive
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953. element of you is
wreaking havoc in your life.
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954. I'm on the side of the part of you that wants to aim up, man.
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955. That's what I'm on the side of.
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956. Okay? Now, I don't know what that means.
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957. In your case, we're going to talk about it.
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958. Am I going to affirm what you think? No, it's not up to me to affirm it.
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959. You don't get a casual
pad on the back from a
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960. therapist for your pre
existing axiomatic conclusions.
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961. That's not therapy.
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962. That's a rubber stamp.
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963. Is anybody at any point explaining to
these kids the real long term consequences
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964. of hormones and puberty blockers? I don't
think they're explaining it to the kids.
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965. That has frightened
me that it's become that
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966. we're even talking to
the kids about it at ten.
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967. We're presenting it in schools.
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968. So this generation, they're the labyrinths biological sex binary.
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969. It's been binary for like 100 million years longer than that.
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970. Temperament is not binary.
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971. Temperamental personality.
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972. So it's gender.
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973. Temperament is gender.
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974. Well, gender is not a good word because it's vague and it isn't measurable.
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975. So do we need it? Why can we just
say temperament? What do we even need
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976. the word gender for? Well, I don't
need it, but what I would say is that
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977. people who talk about the diversity
and gender are actually talking
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978. about diversity and personality and
temperament, but they don't know it.
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979. You can have a masculine temperament if
you're a woman, maybe one in ten women have
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980. the average temperament of a man and
you can have feminine men temperamentally.
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981. And it's not that uncommon
because the differences
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982. between men and women
temperamentally aren't that great.
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983. There are masculine girls.
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984. There are feminine boys.
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985. What are we going to do about
that? Carve them up? You as someone
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986. who started your professional
life, you know, transgender care.
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987. Yeah.
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988. Now you're sitting here talking to me and I'm a dangerous man.
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989. I've been told.
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990. Are you worried about reprisals? Are you
worried about how this is going to play among
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991. your professional
peers? I am worried that I
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992. can't have conversations
with any other peers.
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993. I don't know any other
peer that will speak
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994. to me around these
things, that question it.
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995. I just don't think developmentally this is helpful to our children.
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996. You step wrong as a therapist.
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997. You say the wrong thing
once and your bloody career
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998. is over and now it's the
same with physicians.
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999. How's that going to work?
You're going to go have
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1000. an honest conversation
with your physician when he's
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1001. terrified out of his mind
if he'll say something
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1002. politically incorrect during
the diagnostic process.
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1003. Hey, man, you're sick with whatever you want to be.
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1004. See you later.
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1005. You want a prescription
for something? I left
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1006. academia because the
climate had become too stifling
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1007. politically, especially
when it comes to the topic
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1008. of gender identity and
the science of gender.
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1009. It is absolutely impossible to do good research.
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1010. You basically have to decide
beforehand what you're
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1011. going to find so that
you don't upset activists.
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1012. And that is not how you do science.
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1013. Why has this shift occurred
where all of a sudden
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1014. gender and sex has
become so politically and
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1015. culturally charged?
There's a really ugly history
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1016. between sex researchers
and transgender activists.
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1017. In the past, if any sex researcher spoke out about science
that went against activist orthodoxy or particular narratives
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promote, they would basically
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1019. have their personal and
professional reputations ruined.
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1020. So what you see is
that only experts who toe
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the things that activists
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who get attention, those
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1023. are the people who get
lifted up in the media.
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1024. And also, I would say people are
incentivized to go along with the
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1025. activist narratives and gender
ideology because that helps their career.
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1026. Trans is very cool.
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1027. Trans is a way of giving yourself value.
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1028. Given the way society at the moment is functioning.
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1029. All of the things that used
to give us anchors of identity
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1030. have become very fluid or
very volatile in recent years.
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1031. And in that context, I
think what you find then is
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1032. new identities start to
fill the void of the vacuum.
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1033. Whereas in the past I might have
got my sense of self worth from
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1034. being part of the village where
I grew up, now I might get my
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1035. sense of self worth through
being part of the online community
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1036. that I connect with or part of
the sexual identity community.
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1037. So now we are seeing kids that
are identifying as animals going
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1038. to school, and they are purring
instead of answering questions.
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1039. And they Meow and the
teachers are not allowed to
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1040. question it because it's
considered a queer identity.
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1041. So you have kids that are going
to school and they're saying,
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1042. I'm a cat, and the teachers
have to affirm them as a cat.
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1043. Yes.
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1044. Literal zoos.
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1045. Now, basically they are I am a 27 year old transgender woman.
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1046. I am a Wolf theory and a member of the Furry fandom.
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1047. When and how did you discover this inner wolfness? Probably around age ten or eleven.
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1048. I was watching an anime about
Wolves and see the Wolf running across
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1049. the screen, and I'm somehow
just intrinsically like, oh, that's me.
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1050. Have you spent any time around biological Wolves? Yes.
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1051. That sounds dangerous.
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1052. Also, what context are you?
So I was a volunteer with
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1053. a preserve, and I've also
visited many Wolf preserves.
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1054. Are you able to communicate with the
Wolf? Am I going to have a conversation
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1055. with a Wolf in the way that I'm
communicating? You and I obviously not.
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1056. Am I going to read their body
language, respond appropriately
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1057. to their behaviors and
their nonverbal cues? Yes.
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1058. Would you be able to give
us an example of this Wolf
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1059. communication? No, I'm
not comfortable doing so.
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1060. Okay.
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1061. All right.
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1062. How exactly have these ideas
become pervasive? First of
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1063. all, I think we need to remember
that in the west, at least,
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1064. we have it drilled into our
minds from childhood onwards
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1065. that personal happiness is
the key to individual flourishing.
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1066. Secondly, we think of ourselves in psychological terms.
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1067. I am my feelings.
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1068. And in order for me to be happy, I have to be able to express my feelings.
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1069. I have to be outwardly that which I feel myself to be inwardly.
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1070. Thirdly, we're taught that interfering with somebody else's happiness is very bad.
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1071. We need to acknowledge that
there are powerful lobby groups,
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1072. powerful cultural and political
lobby groups driving this thing.
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1073. Hollywood is pressing LGBTQ plus matters in so many movies.
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1074. We're seeing it in the way Amazon sets up its algorithms.
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1075. There are all kinds of
factors in society that
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1076. are pushing what would
really be numerically a
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1077. fairly minority interest
into being one of the
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1078. main political focal
points of this generation.
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1079. After my operation, I will be a woman.
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1080. Why can't she just be a lesbian? Because she's not a lesbian mom.
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1081. She's a boy.
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1082. Because I was born in a girl's body.
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1083. Can I ask you a question? Why don't you kiss me? The
whole idea of social contagion, that there could be
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1084. something in one social
environment that could play
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1085. some role in somebody
coming out identifying as trans.
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1086. Would you say that that is
definitely part of your story?
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1087. When I look back, I don't
think I would have ever even
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1088. considered seeing myself as a
boy without these social aspects,
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1089. especially if I hadn't joined
these online communities.
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1090. I identify as non binary.
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1091. I'll officially be changing my pronouns to theyh them.
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1092. My pronouns are Dhamm and demonstrate selfs.
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1093. I've been going by they them pronouns for four years now.
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1094. I'm pretty comfortable pronounced.
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1095. There was literally a period of a few weeks to a few months.
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1096. I started out as an
ally, and then eventually
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1097. I was starting to
identify as transgender.
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1098. We are transmitted.
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1099. So they go on the Internet
and they're told that all
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1100. their problems will be
solved if they become a man.
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1101. Kids are being taught.
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1102. You might feel like you're
a boy, even if you have a
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1103. vagina and you're a girl,
you are what you feel you are.
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1104. Some people are girls, some are boys, some are both, some are neither.
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1105. Gender is all about how we feel on the inside and how we express ourselves.
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1106. Ah, the gender fluid teacher.
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1107. What do I go by in the classroom? I go by teacher fan BRAINI.
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1108. As a queer and trans
teacher, my agenda is to
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1109. show little boys that
they don't have to be like
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that they can paint
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1111. their nails and wear
earrings and still be a guy.
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1112. And it can be cool.
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1113. Do you worry that there could be
a sort of social contagion element of
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1114. this? A teeny tiny bit, maybe? Looking
back on it, it was the same pattern.
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1115. Just kids who were really struggling, kids who were very alone and isolated.
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1116. They have anxiety.
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1117. They don't fit in with their peers.
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1118. They don't know where they belong.
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1119. Maybe they didn't have a welcoming family life.
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1120. They just got caught up in these communities online.
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1121. Then they discover, hey, there's this group of people and they also don't fit in.
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1122. They're different.
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1123. They're not sure who they are.
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1124. Gee, that's where I fit in.
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1125. Today is the day before my top surgery.
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1126. I am waking up tomorrow at 05:00 A.m.
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1127. To have a subcutaneous mastectomy.
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1128. We're telling children when
they haven't fully developed that
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1129. all you have to do is medically
transition and you fit in.
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1130. I was one of those kids.
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1131. It got me at 42.
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1132. Your child doesn't have a chance.
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1133. This is only going in one direction.
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1134. You will respect us as parents come to understand more about gender identity.
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1135. Kids are coming out at younger ages.
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1136. It's exciting.
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1137. And you know who gets it right is the next generation.
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1138. The next generation who's
already telling us that our antiquated
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1139. ideas of things have to be a
certain way just don't apply to them.
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1140. They're rejecting a lot of our social mores.
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1141. They are tweaking the system.
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1142. I just don't think it's realistic to put this decision on them.
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1143. I'm a physician and I use medication.
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1144. Certainly.
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1145. It's a bit of a Faustian bargain.
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1146. Puberty blockers, which are completely reversible.
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1147. You keep invoking the word truth, which is condescending.
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1148. And Ruth, some women have penises, right? Some men have vaginas.
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1149. Does the chicken cry? Does
a chicken commit suicide?
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1150. I'm not a woman, but I
can't really answer that.
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1151. I guess because I got it there.
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1152. Somehow this madness has affected our entire society.
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1153. Am I the crazy one? I'm done asking questions.
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1154. Tanner Cross is on administrative leave for what he said about gender identity.
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1155. He said he would not call a student who is transgender by their preferred pronoun.
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1156. I can't lie to children, and I got to
also represent a whole community that
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facts, and I can't do that to kids.
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1158. You get into teaching because you love kids.
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1159. This policy started coming into play and I was like, wait a minute, it's causing me.
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1160. I'm going to have to lie to my kids the ones I've always wanted to protect.
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1161. Do we have assaults in our bathrooms
and our locker rooms regularly? To my
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of assaults occurring in our restroom.
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1163. The predator transgender student is or person.
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1164. Simply, it does not exist.
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1165. The Virginia Department of Education
says it is now reviewing whether the
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1166. Loudon County School District has
properly reported cases of sexual assault.
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1167. This comes after a 15 year old was
charged on two separate occasions
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1168. for assaulting two different
students at different schools.
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1169. Dozens rallying Center Loudon County to protest the school's policies.
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1170. So that includes limiting
who can talk during
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of board meetings.
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1172. One speaker leased property in the area just so he could speak.
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1173. Tonight, Fox Five Paris Jones'live with the details.
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1174. That's right.
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1175. Conservative commentator
Matt Wallace told me he's leasing
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1176. out someone's basement in
Loudoun County so he'd be able
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1177. to speak during tonight's
meeting, I decided last week to
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1178. fulfill my lifelong dream of
being a Loudon County resident.
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1179. I've always felt like I lived in Tennessee.
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1180. I felt sort of like a Virginian trapped in a Tennessee.
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1181. In his body, I identified sort of state fluid, I guess.
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1182. This is Matt Wall, she tweeted.
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1183. How do you do, fellow Virginians?
Now I just got explained to my
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1184. wife and kids that we're going to
be staying in someone's basement.
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1185. They tried to muzzle me by
not allowing me to speak, and
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1186. when that didn't work, they
tried to muzzle me with a mask.
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1187. I would thank you all
for allowing me to speak
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1188. to you tonight, but
you tried not to allow it.
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1189. Yet here I am.
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1190. Now, you only give us 60 seconds.
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1191. So let me get to the point.
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1192. You are all child abusers.
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1193. You prey upon impressionable
children and indoctrinate
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ideological cult, a cult
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1195. which holds many fanatical
views, but none so deranged
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1196. as the idea that boys
are girls and girls or boys.
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1197. By imposing this vile
nonsense on students to the
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girls to share locker rooms
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1199. with boys, you deprive these
kids of safety and Privacy
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1200. and something more
fundamental, too, which is truth.
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1201. If education is not grounded in truth, then it is worthless.
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1202. Worse, it is poison.
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1203. You are poison.
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1204. You are predators.
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1205. I can see why you try to stop us from speaking.
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1206. You know that your ideas are indefensible.
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1207. You silence the opposing side because you have no argument.
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1208. You can only hide under
your beds like pathetic
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1209. little gutless cowards, hoping
we shut up and go away.
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1210. But we won't, I promise you that.
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1211. Johnny is a boy with a big imagination.
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1212. One day he's a dog, the next day a crustacean Johnny's mom loves her son's.
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1213. Make believe time you're Johnny the Walrus till you change your mind.
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1214. Matt Walsh is out with a new children's book.
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1215. The book is called Johnny the Walrus.
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1216. What is this about? It's sold out on Amazon in a few hours.
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1217. I have embraced my true calling as a children's author, hence the cardigan.
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1218. The book is about a little boy who is very imaginative and playful.
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1219. I have four kids and they all
have an imagination and he likes to
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1220. pretend to be different things, and
one day he pretends to be a walrus.
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1221. And unfortunately, his mother is very progressive and thus confused.
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1222. And so she's convinced by the
Internet and by society that if your
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then he really is that thing.
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1224. And so she tries to raise
her child as a walrus, as
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respecting his self identity.
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1226. One morning he came downstairs
barking and clapping wood spoons
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1227. for tusks and sock, fins of
flapping it spoons his mouth.
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1228. He's pretending to be a walrus.
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1229. I'm Johnny the Walrus, he said with Aurora.
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1230. Johnny the Walrus.
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1231. This is a hot topic.
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1232. That's a good thing, right? Yeah, absolutely.
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1233. It's good for us to have these conversations.
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1234. People open their minds and relearn and unlearn to what we've been taught.
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1235. So I want this to be a safe place to talk about and learn.
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1236. As you can see, there's an ongoing evolution of language and how people can identify.
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1237. My next guest, author and
conservative host of Daily
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1238. The Matt Walsh Show,
talking about his recently
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1239. published children's
book that has since been
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popular large retail chain.
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1241. Now, Matt says gender is not a social construct, but rooted firmly in biology.
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1242. True, true.
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1243. As human beings,
we have a sex, male or
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biological, scientific fact.
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1245. Now, gender is a linguistic term.
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1246. Words have gender.
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1247. People don't you can have
whatever self perception
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can't expect me to take
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perception or to take part in
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1250. this kind of charade,
this theatrical production.
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1251. You don't get your own
pronouns, just like you don't
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1252. get your own prepositions
or your own adjectives.
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1253. It's like if I were to tell you my adjectives are handsome and brilliant.
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1254. And whatever you're talking
about me, you have to describe
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1255. me as handsome and brilliant
because that's how I identify.
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1256. So you think it's a delusion? Well, this
is one of the problems with this left wing
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1257. gender ideology is that
no one who espouses
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1258. it can even tell you
what these words means.
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1259. Like what is a woman? Can you tell me what a woman is? No, I can't.
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1260. Womanhood is something that is an umbrella term.
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1261. It includes people that describes what people who identify as a woman.
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1262. What is that? What's to each their own.
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1263. Each man, each person is
going to have a different relation
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1264. with their own gender
identity and define it differently.
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1265. You want to reduce women.
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1266. You want to reduce
men down to maybe just
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1267. their genetics, our
genitals, our chromosomes.
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1268. Right? That's what you want to do.
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1269. What you want to do is appropriate woman.
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1270. You want to appropriate
womanhood and turn it
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1271. into basically a costume
that could be worn.
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1272. Joining us on stage is Dr.
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1274. Doctor Denbo, how do you feel
those who oppose using pronouns are
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1275. taking the wrong approach in this
conversation? There's the extreme
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1276. approach that you are admittedly
taking, and then there's also just
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1277. ordinary people that might not be
comfortable with the language change.
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1278. She began by saying that my view is extreme.
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1279. Okay.
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1280. So the view that every
single person on Earth
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1281. has held up until 15
seconds ago is extreme.
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1282. They are conflating gender and sex
because on one hand, they say, well, you
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1283. got your biological sex, but then
your gender is whatever social construct.
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1284. But then they turn around and say that trans women are women.
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1285. So a man who identifies
with the gender, the
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womanhood actually is a woman
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1287. part of me wants to ask
why you care so much,
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1288. because it's really
not that big of a deal.
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1289. I care about the truth.
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1290. So basic truth matters.
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1291. I want to live in a society where people care about the truth.
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1292. I care about children, and
these insane ideas about gender
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1293. are being foisted on kids,
and that bothers me quite a bit.
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1294. I care about the women who are having their opportunities stolen from them.
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1295. I care quite a bit.
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1296. Yeah.
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1297. I wanted us to have a safe place to be able to talk about this.
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1298. And it seems like we
should just keep the dialogue
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find some middle ground.
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A parent comes to you and
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son is telling me he's a girl.
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1302. Great, you're going to have him do an
experimental procedure that creates the most
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1303. suicidal ideation of any other population
seven to ten years after transition.
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1304. And here's what I tell parents.
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1305. You don't have the right to medically transition your child.
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1306. We have no research on long term hormone use.
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1307. We will be seeing the first generation of long term hormone use.
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1308. And we already know,
at least with ten years
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1309. of hormones, you're
giving yourself cancer.
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1310. What's your message to parents
who are trying to cope with
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1311. this? The first thing is to tell
parents that they're not alone.
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1312. It is our responsibility as a parent to be the front line defense for our children.
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1313. And I know with my child,
a lot of people will say,
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1314. Was it worth it because
you now seemingly have lost
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1315. your child? And I'll say,
yeah, but at least I saved
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morals and my convictions.
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1317. And when my child turns 25 and says, dad, where were you? I'll say, I was there.
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1318. I was fighting as hard as I could.
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1319. I was not prepared to let this happen.
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1320. This really matters is another
question matters for those
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mastectomies when they're 16.
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1322. Why should we care if
we live in a society where
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because my government decided
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by the terms that they
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subject to legal penalties.
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1326. It's like, no, I'm not doing that.
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1327. I don't care what your reason is.
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1328. You don't get control of my tongue.
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1329. We live in a climate now in which no one
seems to care about the safety of women and
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1330. girls who are going through a very
developmentally challenging time in their lives.
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1331. They may not want to share spaces with their male peers.
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1332. I would not be surprised.
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1333. In a few years, there will no longer be women's sports.
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1334. It will literally be men's sports and transgender sports.
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1335. The question being asked by the trans person is a legitimate one.
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1336. How can I be happy? The answer being
given by having my body transformed
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1337. to look like the other gender, by
having myself pumped full of hormones
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1338. clearly isn't working, and we have
to find a better and the more humane
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1339. way of dealing with individuals who
are struggling with gender dysphoria.
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1340. I have the utmost compassion for people who suffer from gender dysphoria.
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1341. It's a nightmare for them and their families.
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1342. The vast majority, up to 90% of kids.
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1343. If they go through a normal puberty, they're going to be okay.
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1344. They will be at peace with their
bodies, and they will have avoided
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medical interventions and surgeries.
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1346. Maybe we're up against a
battle here, up against a Hill
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1347. that perhaps we're not
going to necessarily win today.
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1348. But if we don't pave the way for a win, we'll never get there.
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1349. So we're going on this journey.
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1350. Boys can be girls.
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1351. Girls can be boys.
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1352. Men can be women.
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1353. Women can be men.
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1354. It makes me wonder, what is a woman?
What is a woman? A woman is someone
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1355. who claims that as their identity, it
could be many things to many people.
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1356. I think the question really brings up the fact
that it is pretty relative, right? That if you ask
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identities, across class,
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1358. across culture, you will
get a different answer.
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1359. Some of it is based on biology, some of it is based on hormones.
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1360. Some of it is based on what you wear and how you present yourself.
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1361. A woman is not anything in particular.
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1362. There's no one particular thing.
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1363. There is not one particular thing.
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1364. A woman is someone who says that she is a woman and transitions to be a woman.
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1365. She says that she's what? Can
you define the word woman without
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1366. using the word woman? Actually
kind of like it's a curious question.
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1367. We've been journeying
across the country asking
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1368. people this question, and
almost nobody can answer it.
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1369. What is a woman? What is a woman? Marry one and find out.
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1370. So I should go home and ask my wife, I guess.
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1371. Yeah.
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1372. I mean, to ask you something.
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1373. Can you provide a definition
for the word woman?
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1374. Can I provide a
definition? Yeah, I can't.
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1375. You can't not in this context.
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1376. I'm not in biology of the
word woman is so unclear
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1377. and controversial that you
can't give me a definition.
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1378. Senator, in my work as a judge, what I do is I address disputes.
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1379. If there's a dispute about a
definition, people make arguments and I
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1380. look at the law and I decide the
fact that you can't give me a straight
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1381. answer about something as fundamental
as what a woman is underscores the
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1382. dangers of the kind of progressive
education that we are hearing about.
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1383. Just last week, an entire
generation of young
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1384. girls watched as our
taxpayer funded institutions
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1385. permitted a biological
man to compete and beat a
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1386. biological woman in the
NCAA swimming Championships.
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1387. Senator.
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1388. I'm not sure what message that sends.
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1389. If you're asking me about the legal issues related to it.
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1390. Those are topics that are being hotly discussed.
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1391. As you say could come to the court.
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