What Is a Woman? (2022)

1. Being a dad is one

2. of the great privileges of my life.

3. Give my son a BB gun,

4. and that's just about all the emotional support he needs.

5. My daughter on the other hand,

6. I've heard people say that there are no differences

7. between male and female, those people are idiots.

8. I'm a husband. I'm a father of four.

9. I host a talk show. I give speeches. I write books.

10. I like to make sense of things,

11. but making sense of females is a whole other matter.

12. Even astrophysicist, Stephen Hawking,

13. who could come up with a theory on black holes

14. was completely dumbfounded by women.

15. Women, they are a complete mystery.

16. And now our culture is telling us

17. that the difference is between girls and boys don't matter.

18. That if you identify as something,

19. then you are that thing.

20. How do we help our kids make sense of this

21. when they're bombarded with conflicting messages

22. about gender and identity?

23. Forget trying to figure out women,

24. the real question is what is a woman?

25. As you grow your body changes

26. from that of a young girl to that of woman.

27. Soon Molly will be a young woman

28. having dates, going to dances in lovely romantic dresses.

29. The boys' shoulders are broad

30. and his body muscular. While the girl's body is more curved.

31. I'd like to know more about different kinds of hormones.

32. Presence of these hormones in the blood

33. brings about many changes in the bodies

34. of both boys and girls.

35. Being a woman is one the things I like best about myself.

36. I think you'll like it too.

37. I like to come out here to think.

38. Nature seems to always tell the truth,

39. even when we don't wanna hear it.

40. Truth is I'm not very good at fishing.

41. But what is truth?

42. Is there a truth?

43. Is this what progress looks like?

44. Can my boys really become girls?

45. Do I have four daughters?

46. Do I now have to pay for four weddings?

47. Is there a son trapped in my daughter's body?

48. If so, how do I get him out?

49. Are any of my kids who they claim to be?

50. Who are these people? Who am I?

51. I better see a therapist.

52. In the state of Tennessee,

53. I'm a licensed marital and family therapist,

54. which basically means I've been trained up

55. to think about like systems, family systems,

56. how we were raised up, how that shapes who we are today.

57. So on your website, quote if you'll,

58. - if you'll bear with me. - Sure.

59. Quoting, you say, "I use a combination of approaches

60. in my therapeutic work, including anti-oppression feminist

61. and narrative frameworks."I rely deeply on systems theory

62. and understanding that individuals

63. are products of and in dialogue with our surroundings,

64. including our families, broader culture, workplaces,

65. nature, and political climates." What does that mean?

66. Yeah, so thinking about the modalities that I use,

67. I'm definitely informed by like feminist family therapy

68. and the ideas that we live in gendered worlds

69. where there are certain imperatives

70. that are placed on us about who we are and what we do

71. based on how we've been gendered.

72. From the minute I was assigned female, I was told,

73. okay, these are the kind of clothing

74. that you're gonna wear. These are the kind of the,

75. the type of play that you're gonna engage in as a child.

76. The path that maybe your life will take

77. because of social expectations.

78. What do you, what do you mean by assigned female?

79. Who, who assigns female?

80. Yeah, so most times people when they're born

81. - they're assigned a gender. - By the?

82. - The doctor. - Doctors. - Yeah.

83. Like what do they, what do they base that assignment on?

84. So basically it's, it's based on genitalia.

85. So people looking at genitalia and deciding,

86. okay, this is a, a girl or a boy.

87. And we know now that like that sex and gender

88. are so much more than just this binary.

89. Some women have penises, right? Some men have vaginas.

90. That, that, that's not how, how gender works.

91. How do we know that, how do we know that that's not true?

92. Where, where did we, where did we learn that from?

93. Yeah, well, we, I, I learned that

94. from hearing from transgender people,

95. who've said like, oh, I'm a trans woman,

96. and just because I happen to have a penis, right,

97. that doesn't mean that this is like who I am as a person or,

98. or that genitalia doesn't equal gender.

99. Who they are, their gender, their gender expression.

100. That, yeah, a trans woman is a woman.

101. With the fluidity of these things,

102. how do I know if, if I'm a woman, you know? I, I.

103. That's a great question.

104. I like scented candles and— Yeah.

105. - I've watched "Sex and the City". - Yeah. - Um. - Yeah.

106. - So how do I know? - Yeah, Matt, that question right there,

107. like that question is like,

108. when it's asked with a lot of curiosity, right?

109. That's the beginning of a lot of people's

110. like gender identity development journeys.

111. - If my mom who gave birth to me is a woman. - Mm-hmm.

112. And my wife is a woman, though I haven't asked her.

113. Maybe I should.

114. But if they're all women

115. and also the boy who sits down with you and says,

116. I, I think I'm a girl actually is one,

117. - then, then what is a woman? - Mm.

118. Yeah. Great question.

119. I'm not a woman, so I, I can't really answer that.

120. I thought therapy would make me less confused.

121. Am I the only one feeling this way?

122. I need to hit the road and find out.

123. We're talking about gender in society.

124. Let me start with a real basic question. What is a woman?

125. A woman.

126. I don't wanna assume, but you guys are all.

127. - Yeah. - Women. - We're all women. - Yes.

128. - Yes. - We're women.

129. So how would you define it, like in the simplest terms?

130. - That is hard. - Yeah, it is, it is a stumper.

131. A woman is someone that likes to be pretty

132. and think of themself as a delicate creature.

133. - I'm pretty and delicate. - Okay.

134. - I could be a woman too. - Yes, you could.

135. Defining womanhood is just a project of someone

136. who identifies as a woman.

137. Yeah, but what, like, what do they identify?

138. You see what I'm saying? What do they identify as?

139. They identify as a woman, but what is that?

140. I honestly, don't know.

141. It's a simple question,

142. so why is it so hard to answer?

143. This is gonna take some serious investigation.

144. For all of human existence women

145. were understood to be a certain thing,

146. so what changed?

147. No one can seem to answer the question now.

148. Over 2000 surgeries and counting, Dr. Marci Bowers

149. is the nation's preeminent sex change surgeon.

150. Surely someone who does sex change surgeries

151. can answer what a woman is.

152. Dr. Marci Bowers, first of all, thanks for talking to us.

153. My pleasure.

154. So you're a world renowned gynecologist and surgeon.

155. You're also a transgender woman.

156. Can you tell me a little bit about-

157. - No, I mean, I identify as a woman, but.

158. You're a woman, right?

159. I'm a woman with, I mean, that's my life day-to-day,

160. - but I have a transgender history. - Hmm.

161. So one, one thing on your website,

162. it says gender affirm, GAV, gender affirming vaginal plasty.

163. - Mm-hmm. - What is that exactly?

164. Vaginal plasty is creation of, of female,

165. a, a female vagina and vulva.

166. We're altering the physical characteristics

167. of the individual to, to fit better with a gender identity

168. that, that is female.

169. This is all constructed from the penis?

170. Yes, that's right.

171. The surgeries are quite refined in the sense

172. that they really not only do they look like female anatomy,

173. but they also function that way for the most part.

174. I mean, certainly it's a bit of a Faustian bargain,

175. you know, it's not perfect.

176. Does anyone ever regret their surgeries

177. or we know they do,

178. but how often do people regret their surgeries?

179. Well, actually we don't know that they do.

180. There are legitimate detransitioner

181. and there are people who truly feel that in their journey,

182. they may have made a mistake.

183. Now, fortunately, this is a really,

184. really uncommon phenomenon.

185. I don't know if you've ever heard of people

186. in the transabled community,

187. these are people who are physically able-bodied,

188. but feel like they should be disabled or identify as such.

189. For example, a man who has two arms,

190. but feels like you should have one.

191. If a, if a man in this kind of marginalized community

192. was, went to the doctor and said,

193. I want to have my arm cut off,

194. do you think that-

195. - That doesn't have anything to do with gender identity.

196. Well, it's someone's, someone's self identity.

197. - How someone identifies. - That's some,

198. that's someone who has a, a,

199. and I'll accept it as a mental diagnosis,

200. a psychiatric condition. I don't even pretend to know

201. what apotemnophilia is all about.

202. But somehow it's the idea that you, and, you know,

203. you're fascinated or charmed by having a limb

204. - or part of a limb missing. - Hmm.

205. Okay, I would say that's, uh,

206. pardon my non-medical language, kooky.

207. You don't see any, you think this is totally irrelevant?

208. Yep.

209. So the biggest broadest question is what is a woman?

210. A woman is a, you know,

211. it's a combination of your physical attributes,

212. and then what you're showing to the world,

213. and the gender clues that you give,

214. and hopefully those match your gender identity.

215. The critics on the other side of this,

216. of, of this, of this issue.

217. There aren't many, but go ahead.

218. There aren't many who would disagree

219. with what you're saying about.

220. Well, you know, the dinosaurs of the world

221. - are certainly out there. - Hmm. - Yeah.

222. How long have you been running the shop here?

223. - 25 Years. - Wow.

224. Now you had an incident here a little while ago

225. that went really viral online.

226. Lots of reaction in the public.

227. Aberdeen Councilwoman Tiesa Meskis

228. confronted owner Don Sucher about a sign

229. he posted in his store.

230. One day I just put the sign up over here,

231. and he came around the corner,

232. and I thought, okay, I recognize him.

233. I says, "Oh, I recognize you."

234. "You're our new city councilman."

235. He says, "No, I'm your new city councilwoman."

236. So it was, it was kind of on from there.

237. You know what? It's bullshit.

238. No, what your spouting is bullshit.

239. No it's not. Transwomen are women, sir.

240. - That sign is bullshit. - I've been doing this 25 years,

241. I've never had a problem with anybody,

242. whether they're gay, transsexual, anything.

243. Now how, you're saying councilman, he,

244. this individual was saying, I'm a woman.

245. - Right. - And you said, "You're not a woman." How— Okay.

246. How do you know that that person's not a woman?

247. - How do I know? - Yeah. - Well, uh, common sense.

248. Trans women are women!

249. Doesn't, doesn't the science say

250. that if someone identifies as a woman then they are.

251. No, no. Now that's completely bogus.

252. I don't care, if you think you're a sheep dog

253. and you come into my store, it don't matter to me.

254. Just don't come in and try to shove

255. - that shit down my throat. - If it makes someone feel better,

256. what about their, their feelings?

257. I mean— I don't give shit about their feelings, I'm old.

258. What about the Star Wars universe?

259. Jar Jar Binks, pansexual do you think? Transgender?

260. Uh, why would I, why would I even care?

261. It's if it's his truth.

262. - Well, it ain't true. - You're not a scientist.

263. You're not a gender studies major or are you?

264. - No. - No, okay. How do you know that you're a man?

265. How do I know that I'm a man?

266. - I guess, because I got a dick. - Huh?

267. Well, I guess Don isn't overthinking it.

268. He admits he's not a gender studies major

269. or at the very least a doctor.

270. Maybe I should go talk to one.

271. My name is Michelle Forcier,

272. um, and I have a medical degree

273. from University of Connecticut Residency,

274. University of Utah Pediatrics. And I've worked for a number

275. of different Planned Parenthood's for 20 years.

276. I do advanced contraception and abortion

277. as well as gender hormones,

278. and sort of looking at the whole sort

279. of schema of gender, sex, and, and reproductive justice.

280. So you've done a lot of work in this field.

281. Could you just start by telling us— Sure.

282. At what age can a child first begin to transition

283. into another gender or identify themselves

284. as a gender different from how they were born?

285. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's, there's research

286. and data that show that babies and infants

287. understand differences in gender.

288. Some children figure out their gender really early,

289. and the reason why we are say,

290. oh, that's, it's interesting or important

291. is 'cause they're figuring out their gender identity

292. is not necessarily congruent

293. with their sexes signed at birth.

294. When the, when the doctor sees the penis and says,

295. this is a male, has the sex of male,

296. that's an arbitrary distinction.

297. Telling that family based on that little penis

298. that your child is absolutely

299. a hundred percent male identified

300. no matter what else occurs in their life,

301. - that's not correct. - So what is gender affirmation care?

302. You're a big proponent of,

303. if we walk through a child is sitting down with you

304. - is questioning— Yeah. - Their gender.

305. What's the gender affirmation process?

306. Affirmation means that as a pediatrician,

307. as someone who says my job

308. is to provide the best medical care for you

309. is I need to listen really carefully.

310. And how I put it in words for kids

311. so that they can understand it is tell me your story.

312. Where have you been in terms of your gender

313. and your gender identity? Where are you right now?

314. And more excitingly,

315. where would you like to be in the future?

316. Have you ever met a four-year-old

317. - who believes in Santa Claus? - Mm-hmm.

318. So this is someone who believes

319. that a fat man is traveling through the sky

320. on a flying reindeer at lightning speed

321. - coming down his chimney with presents. - Yeah.

322. Would you say that this is someone

323. who maybe has a tenuous grasp on reality?

324. They have an appropriate four-year-old handle

325. on the reality— Sure, agreed.

326. - That's very real for them. - Agreed, agreed.

327. But Santa Claus is real for them but-

328. - Yeah. - Santa Claus is not actually real.

329. Yeah, well and, but Santa Claus

330. does deliver their Christmas presents.

331. Well, yeah, but he is not real though.

332. To that child they are.

333. When I see a child who, you know,

334. believes in Santa Claus and then let's say,

335. - this is a boy and he says, I'm a girl. - Mm-hmm.

336. This is someone who can't distinguish

337. between fantasy and reality,

338. so how could you take that as a reality?

339. I would say that as a pediatrician and as a parent,

340. I would say how wonderful

341. my four-year-old and their imagination is.

342. Aren't kids famous for their active imaginations?

343. Should we really let our children define reality?

344. If I say that I, I feel a certain way

345. then obviously you can't tell me I don't feel that way.

346. - Yeah. - But just because I feel that way

347. does that mean that it's true?

348. I mean, if it's your reality okay.

349. Yeah, it's yours reality.

350. It's truly like none of my business who you are.

351. - So we all have our own— Identity. - Realities.

352. What if I said, I want you to say

353. that it's true that I'm a woman, would you say that?

354. - That you're a woman? - I would also say that.

355. - If you want. - Yeah.

356. I honestly don't care like whatever makes you happy.

357. What's true to you can be, can be false to me.

358. So like it, it's the, it's like-

359. - What if I said that it's true,

360. my truth is that you don't exist,

361. does that mean you, you no longer exist?

362. I mean, if that's your truth sure.

363. I don't, because it's like— But you do.

364. Well, I mean, if you're saying

365. that I do then I do.

366. Well, but even if I said that you don't you still do

367. 'cause we're, we're having this conversation.

368. - I mean, are we? - I think so, I mean, I thought.

369. That's what you think.

370. Well, I should have known

371. it would be hard to define reality in Hollywood.

372. I should probably look to the place

373. where truth is the foremost pursuit,

374. the American university.

375. What we do in, in gender studies

376. is not just reduced gender

377. to what psychologists might call individual differences,

378. but rather thinking about gender.

379. And that's not women and man,

380. but gender as a, as a social form,

381. something that kind of infuses itself

382. into virtually all aspects of social life.

383. Let's talk about that then.

384. Uh, I guess we should start with

385. - we've got gender and sex, right? - Yeah.

386. What, what's the difference between the two?

387. Is there a difference?

388. I saw that in your questions and I thought, my goodness,

389. this is what we spend an entire semester

390. kind of thinking through.

391. But what we tend to think about in the social sciences today

392. is that sex refers to a set of biological characteristics,

393. and gender is a social construct or category.

394. What I think is often misleading about that characteristic,

395. then is allowed to be sort of messy and complicated.

396. But in that framing, when you split them up

397. into these holy discrete constructs studies scholars, and,

398. and really more specifically people

399. who study gender and sex,

400. we're not talking about sexuality right now.

401. I teach in the kind of, academic universe that I travel in

402. is that we see how deeply gendered ideas,

403. cultural ideas about masculinity and femininity,

404. maleness and femaleness,

405. both in humans and in lots of other animals.

406. So are gender and sex two different things or?

407. Well, I think that they, they both are, and they aren't.

408. I'd be, I'm comfortable saying that gender and sex

409. are, are two different constructs,

410. but they're deeply intertwined with each other.

411. We're talking about gender and, and sex,

412. and there's a lot of controversies there.

413. If we're talking about a trans woman,

414. has all of the male physical characteristics,

415. so would that not be a male then?

416. Couldn't, couldn't we plainly say this person is a male?

417. Well, well I guess it's, it's like,

418. why are you asking the question?

419. I think I, I, I wanna understand

420. sort of why that's so important. So if someone tells you-

421. - Just to sort of understand reality, you know.

422. Well, I mean, I think when someone tells you who they are,

423. you should believe them.

424. So if a person says that they're a woman or they're a man,

425. then that's them telling you their gender is.

426. I'm, I'm not so sure why,

427. what social in interactions would have to do with,

428. with maleness or femaleness that would be-

429. - Well, I, I'm not even talking about social context.

430. I'm just, I'm just trying to start

431. by getting to the truth, you know?

432. Yeah, I mean, I'm really uncomfortable

433. with that language of like getting to the truth.

434. Again in social life— Why, why is that,

435. why is that uncomfortable?

436. Because that, it sounds actually

437. deeply transphobic to me, and if-

438. - And truth— And if you keep probing,

439. we're gonna stop the interview. I— If I probe

440. - about what the truth is? - You keep invoking the word truth,

441. which is condescending and rude.

442. I'm saying to you— How is,

443. how is the word truth condescending and rude?

444. Why don't you tell me what your truth is?

445. And you're walking on 30 seconds more of thin ice

446. before I get up.

447. What my truth is?

448. Well, I don't think I really have a truth.

449. I think that there's just the truth, like the reality.

450. And so we should begin by trying to figure out

451. what the reality is.

452. Uh-huh.

453. And why are you concerned with when someone else tells you

454. that they're a man or even if they use the word male,

455. why are you concerned with not believing them?

456. Well, you keep bringing it back to, you know,

457. how do you respond in a social situation, but-

458. - That's what I do, I'm a social scientist.

459. Well, right, but we're at a university.

460. This is a place of understanding truth, isn't it or?

461. Absolutely we are, we pursue the true truth.

462. And I'm a social scientist and that's what I do.

463. Well, you just said the truth is transphobic.

464. That, that you would say that you're,

465. if you're saying the truth is

466. that I get to say you are not a man, show me your genitalia,

467. that's transphobic.

468. No, I don't wanna see anybody's genitalia.

469. I, I, I just mean someone can make a statement

470. about themselves that could be untrue.

471. Like, for example, if I,

472. if I were to say that I'm a black man,

473. could you, would you accept that or would you be skeptical?

474. Are you Black? Are you African American? Are you biracial?

475. - I don't think so. - Well you don't look that,

476. and I don't think that's a,

477. it doesn't sound like that's a genuine statement

478. of who you are.

479. Okay, so that's my point.

480. I, I could make a statement about who I am that's incorrect.

481. Of course, I think it's well established

482. - that human beings can lie yes. - Or not even lie.

483. I mean, I could just be mistaken.

484. Yeah. I'm not sure where you're going.

485. I guess this all comes back,

486. just it all comes down to really one question,

487. especially women, gender, and sexuality studies.

488. So what, so what, what is a woman?

489. Why do you ask that question?

490. I just really like to know.

491. What do you think the answer to that question is?

492. Well, I'm, I'm asking,

493. that's why I came to a college professor

494. who, who's, this is your, this is what you do.

495. What other kinds of answers have you gotten?

496. A lot of like this,

497. where you're, where you're not answering it,

498. I've gotten a lot of that so.

499. I think it's interesting that you,

500. that you say that some of the people

501. you've, you've interviewed have been reluctant to answer it.

502. And I think that has a lot to do with the way,

503. the questions that preceded it and the,

504. the way that you've conducted yourself in the interview.

505. How have I conducted myself?

506. How do you think you've conducted yourself?

507. You,

508. you just really don't wanna answer the questions do you?

509. I, I came today very willing

510. and, and enthusiastic about answering questions

511. about women's and gender sexuality studies,

512. - which is what I do. - You wanted,

513. you wanted to answer questions about women's studies,

514. and so shouldn't the, the first answer

515. you should be able to provide is what exactly as a woman?

516. Well, it's, for me it's,

517. it's actually a really simple answer,

518. and that's a person who identifies as a woman.

519. - But what are they identifying as? - As a woman.

520. - So what is that? - As a woman.

521. Do you know what a circular definition is?

522. I do.

523. It's sort of like what you're doing right now,

524. where a woman is, is a woman.

525. Well, 'cause you are seeking

526. what we would call in my field of work,

527. an essentialist definition of gender.

528. I think it sounds like you would like me

529. to give you a set of biological or cultural characteristics

530. that are associated with one gender or the other.

531. I'm not seeking any type of definition,

532. I'm just seeking a definition.

533. Yeah, and I gave you one.

534. Well now I can say I've been to college.

535. Glad I didn't pay for it.

536. Is there anyone willing to give me a straight answer?

537. Ideally somebody with a bunch

538. of medical degrees on the wall.

539. Dr. Grossman, thanks for talking to us.

540. You're a psychiatrist medical doctor,

541. and you've done a lot of work in child psychiatry.

542. What is transgenderism from a psychiatric standpoint?

543. The best way to approach it

544. is by speaking about gender dysphoria,

545. which is an intense loathing and discomfort

546. with one's biological sex. They exist anywhere between

547. one in 30,000 people and one in 110,000.

548. It's important to distinguish those people

549. from what's happening much more recently,

550. which is kids that never had any discomfort or dysphoria

551. as it's now called with their biological sex.

552. And then quite suddenly as preteens or as, as adolescents,

553. they come out and they announce that they are gender fluid

554. or they, they start to question their sex.

555. So first let's define the terms sex and gender.

556. - Yes, please. - Sex is biology. Sex is unchanging.

557. It's based on chromosomes 99.999% of the cells in the body

558. are marked either male or female.

559. Gender on the other hand is a perception.

560. It's a feeling, it's a way of identifying,

561. it's a, it's an experience. Okay, that's, that's subjective.

562. It sounds like what you're saying

563. is that if a man is male,

564. but thinks of himself as a woman, he's not actually a woman.

565. That's correct.

566. Male gametes, that's what makes me male.

567. No, your, your sperm don't make you male.

568. - Then what does. - It's a constellation.

569. In reality, in truth, okay.

570. Whose truth are we talking about?

571. The same truth that says we're sitting in this room

572. - right now you and I. - No, you're not listening.

573. If I, if I see a chicken lying eggs

574. and I say that's a female chicken laying eggs,

575. did I assign female

576. or am I just observing a physical reality

577. that's happening in the world?

578. Does a chicken have gender identity?

579. - Does a chicken cry? - Well, a— Does a chicken

580. commit suicide? Let's frame it— What does that

581. - have to do with? - Because you're talking, you're trying to-

582. - Chicken has sex like any, like any biological organism.

583. A chicken has an assigned gender,

584. but a chicken doesn't have a gender identity.

585. So we assign female to chickens when they lay eggs?

586. That's a, that's— We assume they're female

587. if they lay eggs.

588. Now I was told that really everyone agrees

589. with the current approach to gender and transitioning kids

590. and all of that.

591. And if you don't agree that you're a dinosaur and a bigot.

592. So are you a bigoted dinosaur?

593. I'm not bigoted, and I'm not a dinosaur.

594. I am rooted in reality and in science.

595. - Who's reality? - There's one reality.

596. Coming up girls 100 meter final.

597. The first race that I competed

598. against a transgender athlete was during my freshman year.

599. And once the gun went off,

600. the two transgender athletes took off flying

601. and left all of us girls in the dust.

602. Throughout all four years of high school

603. I was forced to compete against biological males.

604. I only competed against them in the sprinting events,

605. but I raced against these athletes

606. over a dozen times throughout the years,

607. and every single time I lost.

608. Did, did they inch you out of metals

609. that you would've won otherwise

610. or trophies you would've had?

611. They beat me out by 20 meters out of metals

612. and qualifying spots.

613. I missed out on qualifying for New England.

614. I had, and I had to go in the long jump

615. and the four by 200 meter relay,

616. so I was forced on the sidelines in my own event,

617. and if they were not there, I would've been able to qualify.

618. So I missed out on so much throughout my high school career.

619. Did they win all the events or almost all the events?

620. Between the two of them

621. they won every single event they competed in.

622. How does that, how does that feel?

623. It is so frustrating and heartbreaking

624. because we elite female athletes train so hard

625. to shave just fractions of a second off of our time

626. and going into races

627. knowing that we will never be able to win.

628. - It feels like all that work gone to waste? - It does.

629. After so many losses it just gets to the point

630. of why am I even doing this?

631. Why am I keep, training so hard and sacrificing so much

632. just to place third and beyond.

633. Case in Connecticut, there were two male track runners,

634. - trans— They were trans girls. - Right.

635. And who, who decided that they

636. were gonna race against the girls.

637. And you look at the, those individuals,

638. you look at their times against the men, against the boys,

639. so they were kind of middle of the pack.

640. And then they're racing the girls

641. and they're, you know, first and second place.

642. Is that indicative of some kind of unfair advantage

643. that those individuals might have against the girls?

644. No, it's not indicative of an unfair advantage.

645. And I think part of the proof of this

646. is that more transgender girls

647. are coming out in high school and still playing sports,

648. and they're not winning.

649. You know, the Connecticut case is the exception.

650. It got a lot of attention

651. because those two trans girls performed well,

652. but there are many, many-

653. - Yeah. - More trans girls competing

654. in sports and they don't excel because-

655. - Yeah, we could— 'Cause at the end

656. of the day, whether or not you win a game

657. is not just, is about how hard you work in your practice,

658. and most of us aren't gonna win,

659. and that goes for transgender athletes too.

660. The norm is that transgender youth

661. don't win that much in sports games.

662. Alana McLaughlin was very appreciative

663. for Provost to take this fight.

664. I don't know how appreciative it's now,

665. but she got a couple punches in.

666. It is the very much the exception

667. when a transgender young person does win.

668. - And the tap! - The tap.

669. And it's because there's not really

670. an advantage to being trans.

671. Only a few people are going to lead the pack.

672. There are some slight differences,

673. but does it translate to a competitive advantage?

674. I think you'd be very hard pressed to prove that.

675. If there was a big advantage

676. to being transgender in sports,

677. then we would see transgender women totally dominating.

678. And over the last half of the pool,

679. nobody will touch Lia Thomas.

680. Transgender swimmer, Lia Thomas

681. breaking barriers and records,

682. but in a new article Sports Illustrated

683. calls the college senior

684. the most controversial athlete in America.

685. Lia obviously helps us do better, right?

686. Lia swimming really fast. Lia's performance helps

687. the University of Pennsylvania swim team.

688. The feeling of winning doesn't feel as good anymore

689. 'cause it feels tainted.

690. There was a lot of things you couldn't talk about

691. that were very concerning. Like a locker room situation

692. if you even brought up concerns about it,

693. you were transphobic.

694. If you even bring up the fact that Lia's swimming

695. might not be fair, you were immediately shut down

696. being called a hateful person or transphobic.

697. But there's never any conversation?

698. The coaches don't sit everyone down and acknowledge

699. what everyone's really upset about.

700. So Penn actually brought in people high up

701. in the athletic department to talk to us.

702. They brought in someone from like the LGBTQ center.

703. They brought in someone from the psychological services.

704. So you're upset about what's happening and so-

705. - Yeah. - You need psychological help. - Yeah.

706. And they told us in this meeting, they said,

707. "Look, we understand there's an array of emotions,

708. but Lia's swimming is a non-negotiable."

709. "However we can help you make that okay

710. that's what we're here for."

711. So you're anonymous for this interview.

712. Why did you decide that you can't have your face out there

713. saying these things?

714. They've made it pretty clear that if you speak up about it

715. and you say anything negative that like your life

716. will be over in some way.

717. Like you'll be blasted all over the internet as a transphobe

718. if you come out and then you'll never be able to get a job.

719. Like anyone who wants to hire you will look you up

720. and see you're transphobic and your life will be over.

721. Let's say that I identified as a woman tomorrow

722. and I wanted to go into the same locker room where you are.

723. Should I be allowed to do that

724. - as long as I identify that way? - I don't know.

725. I just feel that other women

726. would be uncomfortable by you walking in there.

727. No.

728. Controversy at a health club in Koreatown

729. - over the issue of gender. - That's right.

730. Video of spa goers complaining was posted on social media.

731. I just wanna be clear with you.

732. It's okay, it's okay for a man

733. to go into the women's section,

734. show his penis around the other women,

735. young little girls underage, your spa, Wi Spa condone that,

736. is that what you're saying?

737. - Like I just said. - Like I asked.

738. Like I mentioned-

739. - So he, he could stay there?

740. You cannot just come— He could stay there?

741. Sexual orientation.

742. What sexual orientation? I see a dick.

743. Police identified the person involved

744. as 52-year-old Darren Merager of Riverside county.

745. Merager who has been a registered sex offender since 2006

746. now faces five felony counts of indecent exposure.

747. Hello, I'm Congressman Mark Takano.

748. Trans month of visibility is a time

749. to recognize the strength, diversity, and resiliency

750. of the transgender community.

751. Together we can make our country and our world

752. a more accepting place by speaking out

753. against transphobia at the source,

754. and supporting the trans community

755. by getting the Equality Act signed into law.

756. Congressman, thank you for, for being here.

757. Thanks for joining us. You are the first member of Congress

758. who's a member of the LGBT community

759. and also a person of Asian descent.

760. You're also a big proponent of the Equality Act.

761. - Yes. - What is the Equality Act?

762. If you were to just summarize it very briefly.

763. I know it does a lot.

764. The most simplest way to talk about the Equality Act

765. is that it simply amends the 1964 Civil Rights Act

766. to include sexual orientation and gender identity.

767. So public accommodations is one area.

768. What's a way that someone whose LGBT is,

769. could be discriminated in public accommodations currently?

770. Currently, you know, public accommodations

771. is the whole area of, you know, hotels and motels, and.

772. Bathrooms, and sports teams is that?

773. I'd say bathrooms— Yeah.

774. Sports teams, athletic events.

775. Let's get into more specific policy issues.

776. There, there are some women who say, and I've,

777. I've talked to a few who say this. They say, "Hey, you know,

778. I'd like some privacy in the bathroom."

779. "I'd prefer not to encounter,

780. you know, naked penises, frankly."

781. They say even that the penis is a telltale sign

782. that someone is a male. I mean, there, there are people

783. who kind of really bought into the,

784. to the rumor that only men have penises.

785. What, how do we account for that?

786. How do you respond to that?

787. Um.

788. Well, um,

789. well, what I would say is that most transgender people

790. that I know, um, and it's a very I think

791. distinct minority of people,

792. it's a very, it's a, it is a, it is a very

793. I think we're talking not about a lot of people.

794. Um, I think a person who wants to use a woman's bathroom

795. who identifies as transgender

796. really does think themselves as a female.

797. So how we go about trying to,

798. um, you know, respect their basic right to live.

799. I think will be an important part of this law and um-

800. - With a law— Bathrooms.

801. Well, wait a minute, bath, bathrooms are,

802. bathrooms are, you know,

803. where you want to take this conversation

804. instead of the basic right to just life

805. is something that I'm kind of mystified

806. that you're kind of not focusing on first.

807. We're going straight to the controversy over bathrooms.

808. Um, so you know what I think this interview is over.

809. Yeah, I think we're gonna wrap it there.

810. I think, I think this interview is over.

811. I just said one last question.

812. Uh, no, I, I, I, the interview is over.

813. We want to know— Please turn off the cameras.

814. - What, what is a woman? - Please.

815. - Just turn off the cameras. - Excuse me.

816. So we're gonna end the interview.

817. If you guys could please pack up

818. and return the office exactly as-

819. - I just wanted to know— As you found it.

820. - Okay, thank you. - I came all this way

821. - to know what— Thank you. - They're fair questions.

822. I just wanted to know what is a woman.

823. And you're not gonna find out.

824. My trip to California isn't providing many answers,

825. but at least I'm making new friends.

826. You worry about kids walking around out here?

827. No, because I raised two daughters.

828. They're two of the most well-adjusted adults.

829. They grew up around naked people.

830. And there's been studies that have shown

831. that children raised around non-sexual nudity

832. actually have fewer hangups when they're adults.

833. People do have hangups.

834. There's a lot of things hanging right now.

835. - Yeah. - During this conversation.

836. Uh, can anyone be any gender they wanna be?

837. Can a man become a woman if he wants to be?

838. I leave the, I mean, what people do

839. that's personal choice.

840. People can live the life they want to.

841. I, I'm trying to live the life I want to, an authentic life.

842. - Yeah. - And I— I can see that. - That's why I respect

843. other people's rights to choose what they wanna do.

844. Well, why are you asking a gay man

845. as to what it means to be a woman?

846. You should be asking women what it means to be women,

847. especially trans women who, what it means to be women.

848. Well, I'm asking all kinds of people.

849. Can anyone have an opinion about it?

850. Only people who are women. Gay men don't know nothing

851. about what it means to be a woman.

852. Have you told gay men here in San Francisco

853. that they're not allowed to talk about this?

854. No. But I have, it's not like I come around

855. and say what a gay man is allowed to be.

856. So you're saying, so you're saying if you're not a woman,

857. then you shouldn't have an opinion.

858. Where does a guy get a right to say what a woman is?

859. Women only know what women are.

860. - Are you a cat? - No. - Can you tell me what a cat is?

861. This is actually a genuine mistake.

862. I am sorry I even came up here.

863. Do you wanna tell us what a woman is?

864. If my friend in the purple hat is correct

865. and only women can tell me what a woman is,

866. I guess I need to go where the women are.

867. What, what is a woman? Can you tell me that?

868. - Uh. - Well, you're at

869. the women's march, you must to have some idea.

870. So I see girl's vagina.

871. Does that mean that they're the only people

872. who can get pregnant?

873. If men could get pregnant too,

874. I think they want the right to choose.

875. - Yeah. - But they, but men can get pregnant?

876. We're saying someone who is born as a woman,

877. but identifies as a man, that— Is that a man?

878. - Real man. - It's a real man. - Yeah.

879. So they, so men can get pregnant.

880. Yes.

881. - Yes. - If they have the parts to do so.

882. Is it just women that get birth or is it?

883. - Or I guess yeah. - So, so men, so men can give birth too?

884. Anyone with a vagina.

885. Well, that could be a man or a woman.

886. Well, I mean, I think

887. that's the whole point, right? That it's fluid.

888. The way that we define these things changes a lot.

889. What are you doing here?

890. I'm asking these questions.

891. - Okay. - Trying to figure out what a woman is.

892. That's why I'm here. And this is the women's march,

893. I figured this is a good place to find out.

894. I've come all this way to ask that question.

895. Can anyone tell me what a woman is?

896. If you're not here for women we ask you to leave!

897. - What is that? - He's going to harass you.

898. - He's probably gonna harass you. - Am I harassing?

899. - I'm asking a question. - Our bodies, our choice.

900. - Who's body? - Our bodies, our choice.

901. Our bodies, our choice.

902. - What, what is a woman? - Our bodies-

903. - Can, can anyone— Our choice, our bodies.

904. Here at the women's march tell me what a woman is?

905. Our bodies, our— Wear a mask, wear a mask!

906. How about you tell me what a woman is

907. - and I'll put a mask on? - Wear a mask! - Sir, tell me

908. what a woman is and I'll put a mask on.

909. Asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole.

910. Please if one person could tell me what a woman is.

911. Do you guys know what a woman is by any chance?

912. No idea.

913. I've been all over America, I still can't find an answer.

914. Maybe I'm looking too close to home.

915. We came a long way to come and talk to you guys.

916. Thousands of miles from, from America.

917. So thank you for inviting us into your tribe first of all.

918. I can say it is my pleasure to, to meet you.

919. And feel most welcome. But you're here to learn with me.

920. - I'm here to learn with you too. - Great.

921. What's the right form here?

922. It's just.

923. - Just with the elbow. - Yeah.

924. I mean, they're laughing, so I guess it's not good,

925. but I thought it was pretty good.

926. Not good enough to be a man yet in your tribe but.

927. What does a man do?

928. What, what are his roles within the tribe?

929. The role of a man you need to work for your woman.

930. Secondly to have children. If you have children

931. and you don't have something to feed them,

932. you are not still a man.

933. - There you go. All right. - Yeah.

934. - Okay. - That's the blood.

935. Was the best raw kid I've had in my life.

936. What if a man decides

937. that he wants to do the roles of a woman?

938. Uh, in Maasai community, it do not exist at all.

939. Doesn't exist.

940. What if a man decides that his,

941. his gender identity is, is woman?

942. A woman has it own duty and a man has it own duty.

943. And a lady cannot do the duty of a man

944. and a man cannot do a duty of a woman.

945. Can a man become a woman?

946. - No. - No? - No. - What about a transgender?

947. - What? - Transgender?

948. - No. - No? - It'll look like to,

949. if you want to become a lady but your man

950. - you have something wrong— Something wrong? - In your mind.

951. Something wrong in your family.

952. Something wrong in you.

953. What about if someone was non-binary?

954. - Come again? - Non-binary. - Uh-huh.

955. Do you know like non, like someone is, is-

956. - You're not a woman, you're not a man.

957. Yeah, someone's like, someone is, is neither.

958. They're something else. Is that?

959. He's saying we have never seen things like those.

960. For a man he has a penis. For a woman has a vagina.

961. So we know this is a lady, this is a man.

962. What if it's a woman with a,

963. - what if it's a woman with a penis? - What?

964. Is that?

965. People are laughing.

966. Is that, is that a dumb question?

967. Uh, they're just laughing

968. because they have never hear something like that.

969. - This they're first time. Yeah. - Never heard it before?

970. A woman have a penis and she's a woman.

971. In my country, I can't go day without hearing it.

972. We hear it every day.

973. So in my country, sometimes you'll hear people say,

974. a man will say, I, that I'm a,

975. I'm a woman trapped in a man's body.

976. And so they say that I have a woman trapped inside me.

977. - They want to know a woman has the breast. - Breast, yeah.

978. Secondly, she has, she has a vagina.

979. - Vagina. - And the question is, does this man deliver?

980. Does he deliver babies?

981. No, not as far as I know.

982. The question is, let's say, if you want to sleep a woman,

983. - definitely you'll do sex. - Sex with a woman, yeah.

984. And you the vagina is it?

985. But for the man where do you?

986. He asked that question.

987. I don't know all the logistics of it.

988. Based on what I'm saying,

989. would you ever wanna move to America?

990. They say no, never.

991. What, what is a woman? If you had to give a, a definition.

992. She say a woman delivered.

993. - Yeah. - A man cannot. - So it sounds like you,

994. you don't spend a lot of time thinking about gender.

995. You don't, you just kind of live your lives.

996. You don't think much about it.

997. He said "No, because we believe that's a God plan."

998. God's plan.

999. He's saying, "That I'm shocked on what you're telling me."

1000. - He's shocked. - Yeah.

1001. The Maasai people don't think much about gender,

1002. but they have a firm sense of their identity.

1003. It's clear that gender ideology

1004. is a uniquely Western phenomenon.

1005. So where did all this come from?

1006. Who came up with it and why?

1007. Matt, I, I want, I wanna show this to you.

1008. You're a parent, right? Okay.

1009. "It's Perfectly Normal", for 10 years and up.

1010. Here's just one page I want you to see here.

1011. For 10 and up, huh?

1012. It's it's unspeakable what these people

1013. - have done to our children. - When, when did that start?

1014. When was it decided that we need to start teaching kids

1015. about this stuff at such a young age?

1016. So I'll answer that with one word, Kinsey.

1017. Kinsey was a social reformer.

1018. He wanted to rid society of Judeo-Christian values

1019. when it came to sexuality,

1020. and he worked very hard to do that.

1021. And I would say he succeeded.

1022. Kinsey would be very happy with our culture today.

1023. His idea was that children are sexual from birth.

1024. That we're all inherently sexual creatures

1025. from cradle to grave.

1026. He believed that true happiness is found

1027. in a life of perverse sexual experimentation,

1028. no matter the age.

1029. What came out is that his research was fraudulent.

1030. Kinsey based, his fraudulent conclusions on data

1031. he collected from convicted sex offenders

1032. and child molesters.

1033. His research was conducted in prisons, not everyday America.

1034. He also performed horrific sexual experiments on children,

1035. some under the age of one.

1036. His most influential book,

1037. "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male"

1038. contains an infamous chart called table 34,

1039. which documents the orgasms of very young kids,

1040. including babies as young as five months old.

1041. But instead of suffering the consequences

1042. for his heinous actions,

1043. he was and still is celebrated by academia and Hollywood.

1044. His ideas formed the foundation for sexual education

1045. in public schools today.

1046. How do we get from this to you can choose your own gender?

1047. Okay, well now we have another

1048. and very important character, and his name was John Money.

1049. John Money was a psychologist and professor

1050. at Johns Hopkins University.

1051. Gender ideology was his brain child.

1052. In fact, he coined the terms

1053. gender identity and gender roles.

1054. And according to Money, babies are gender neutral at birth

1055. and ultimately environment determines

1056. whether a person is a man or a woman.

1057. Money was telling the world about his theory

1058. that a boy could be raised as a girl

1059. and do just fine and vice versa.

1060. And so money tried out his theory

1061. on two young twin boys, the Reimer twins.

1062. When the twins were eight months old

1063. and they went to be circumcised,

1064. the first twin, whose name was Bruce,

1065. something went wrong with the machinery

1066. and his penis was burnt off.

1067. They stopped and didn't do a second circumcision

1068. on the other twin, as you might imagine.

1069. And the parents of course didn't know what to do.

1070. How are they gonna raise this child?

1071. John Money convinced Bruce's parents

1072. to transition him into a girl.

1073. Money also conducted sexually abusive experiments

1074. on the twins throughout their childhood,

1075. including forcing them to simulate sex acts on each other.

1076. He reported up to the age of 10

1077. that this was a complete success. Well, wasn't true.

1078. The results were a disaster.

1079. Bruce could never fully accept his female identity.

1080. Eventually his parents told him the truth

1081. and he chose to transition back to a boy,

1082. taking the name David. As an adult, David spoke out

1083. about the abuse and the damage done to him by John Money.

1084. The girls would do their things with their Barbies

1085. and things like that,

1086. - and that wouldn't interest me. - Mm-hmm.

1087. And things such as trucks, and building forts,

1088. and, you know, get into the odd fist fight

1089. and climbing trees, that's the kind of stuff that I liked,

1090. but it was unacceptable. So I never— As a girl.

1091. As, as a girl, I had no place to, to fit in.

1092. The trauma that he and his brother

1093. and his entire family went through left deep scars.

1094. His brother died of an overdose when he was 38,

1095. and then David died, committed suicide.

1096. There was never a retraction

1097. or an apology from John Money,

1098. instead his ideas were adopted by mainstream psychology

1099. and they formed the basis of gender ideology today.

1100. Why don't more people know

1101. about John Money and Alfred Kinsey?

1102. Evidently there are forces

1103. that don't want this information out.

1104. I, I never fit.

1105. I was a, I was an alpha female,

1106. a sales executive that kind of just didn't fit in any box.

1107. When psychologists, or somebody that I was in love with,

1108. or whatever said that I was in the wrong body,

1109. I started to think, well, maybe I am.

1110. I'm a biological woman that medically transitioned

1111. to appear like a male

1112. through synthetic hormones and surgery.

1113. I will never be a man.

1114. Is it transphobic for me to tell the truth?

1115. Why is it in a couple hundred years from now

1116. if you dug up my body,

1117. they're gonna go, yep, that was a woman. Had babies.

1118. Can you tell me about the procedures that you, you had?

1119. I've had seven surgeries.

1120. I've had one stress heart attack.

1121. I've had a helicopter life ride with a pulmonary embolism.

1122. I've had 17 rounds of antibiotics. I had six inches of hair

1123. on the inside of my urethra for 17 months.

1124. Nobody would help me,

1125. including the doctor that did this to me,

1126. 'cause I lost my insurance.

1127. I get infections every three to four months.

1128. I'm probably not gonna live very long.

1129. Was there any real discussion

1130. of the risks and the side effects and?

1131. No, no, there's not.

1132. And I know that people want to think that there is,

1133. but there's not.

1134. The truth is, is that medical transition is experimental.

1135. We have studies that said that medical transition

1136. helps mental health, helps mental health with kids.

1137. They've all been retracted, modified, changed.

1138. But the only long-term study tells us seven to 10 years

1139. is when transgender people are the most suicidal.

1140. - After. - After surgery. But that's transphobic to say.

1141. For the first time in history

1142. a marginalized group has a huge dollar sign

1143. on the top of their head. We have five children's hospitals

1144. in the United States promoting that.

1145. - What? - That's a phalloplasty. That's a bottom surgery.

1146. We have five children's hospitals in the United States

1147. telling girls that they can be boys at $70,000 a pop

1148. in a surgery that has a 67% complication rate

1149. that will kill me from infection that I can't sue on.

1150. We're butchering a generation of children

1151. because nobody's willing to talk about anything.

1152. I have three kids

1153. at the age that they're doing this to kids.

1154. I'm not transphobic.

1155. I love my kids and I love other people's kids.

1156. And you should too.

1157. This is wrong on so many levels.

1158. Can kids consent? Do you think kids are— No.

1159. - Capable of consenting to this? - No, they're not.

1160. Being a parent is loving the hell outta your kids

1161. and helping them see around corners.

1162. What's the, what's the youngest patient

1163. that you've operated on?

1164. The youngest patient I've done vaginal plasty on

1165. - um, is age 16. - Do you worry that minors

1166. just don't understand enough about themselves?

1167. They're not neurologically developed enough yet

1168. - to make permanent life altering decisions. - Absolutely not.

1169. A young person's self-perception

1170. one day they may be clear,

1171. the next day they may be totally confused and not sure.

1172. And you're affirming it with hormones

1173. that have never been used in this way.

1174. In the, in the field of medicine.

1175. You're talking about puberty blockers.

1176. Blockers, and then opposite sex hormones.

1177. At what age does the medical transition

1178. - begin with medication? - So medical affirmation

1179. begins when the patient says they're ready for it.

1180. So that could be a, a kiddo

1181. who is just starting puberty and panicking

1182. 'cause they're getting breast buds

1183. or their penis is getting bigger and busier,

1184. and they're worried about all kinds of masculine changes.

1185. And that way puberty blockers,

1186. which are completely reversible,

1187. and don't have permanent effects

1188. are wonderful because we can put that pause on puberty.

1189. Just like if you were to listen in music,

1190. you put the pause on, and we stop the blockers,

1191. and puberty would go right back to where it was,

1192. the next note in the song just delayed that period of time.

1193. - You can just pause puberty. - No you can't.

1194. And then pick it up-

1195. - No you can't. - In the future. - No you can't.

1196. How many studies do they have, long-term studies

1197. on hormone blockers with children? None.

1198. I just spoke a month or two ago

1199. with a mother whose 14-year-old daughter

1200. was put on blockers. They discovered after two years

1201. this 14-year-old girl has osteoporosis.

1202. That's something that like old women get.

1203. How can doctors assure parents

1204. that a certain medicine is totally safe?

1205. If based on what you're saying,

1206. they can't possibly know that.

1207. How can they be removing the healthy breasts

1208. of 15-year-old girls? How can they be sterilizing kids?

1209. How can this whole thing be happening, Matt?

1210. Every child that they convince is, is transgender

1211. and in need of medical transition

1212. it generates 1.3 million to pharma.

1213. And we're believing a pharmaceutical company, Lupron,

1214. hormone blockers reversible so they say.

1215. Well, the truth is that in 2003 Lupron was sued

1216. and deemed a criminal enterprise by the US government.

1217. They paid the most fine of any pharmaceutical company

1218. at that time, $874 million, wrote a check.

1219. - Is Lupron chemical castration? - Yes.

1220. We're giving it to pedophiles aren't we?

1221. We're giving it to people that are dying.

1222. And we're giving it to kids telling them

1223. that they were born in the wrong body

1224. and it's completely safe.

1225. One of the drugs used is Lupron, right?

1226. - Which— Mm-hmm. - Has actually been used

1227. to chemically castrate sex offenders.

1228. You know what?

1229. I'm not sure that we should continue with this interview,

1230. because it seems like it's going-

1231. - Why not? - In a particular direction.

1232. Well, you're a medical professional.

1233. I am a medical professional.

1234. So you don't wanna talk about the drugs

1235. that you give to kids or?

1236. Again, I'm a physician and I use medication.

1237. You're choosing exploitive words, drugs I give to kids.

1238. I'm, I'm choosing a-

1239. - Chemical castration. - Word that was in a dictionary.

1240. That's not a correct term for puberty blocking

1241. - in a transgender person. - I mean I could

1242. look it up on my phone,

1243. but I'm pretty sure if I looked it up like-

1244. - You, you can look it up on your phone.

1245. It says, "Medical definition, the administration of a drug

1246. to bring about a marked reduction of the body's production

1247. of androgens and especially testosterone."

1248. And I'm saying as a pediatrician

1249. who takes care of hundreds of these kids,

1250. when you use that terminology

1251. you were being malignant and harmful.

1252. I mean, there are some who would say

1253. that giving chemical drugs to kids is malignant and harmful.

1254. It's about the context of caring for a child

1255. and, and seeing the, the suffering that kids

1256. can have that have not been an affirmative home situations.

1257. What do you say to the claim that,

1258. well, we have to do this for these kids

1259. because if we don't, they'll kill themselves,

1260. they'll, they'll resort to drugs and self harm?

1261. A lot of them were hurting themselves.

1262. A lot of them were suicidal

1263. before they even discovered gender.

1264. That is never part of the discussion.

1265. And they say, what would you rather

1266. have a, a living daughter or a dead son?

1267. If this is what the professionals are saying,

1268. it's terrible emotional blackmail.

1269. - Hello? - Hey, is this?

1270. - This is yes. - Hey it's it's Matt Walsh.

1271. Are you, where are you right now?

1272. I'm, I'm in Vancouver, British Columbia,

1273. Canada right now.

1274. Are you, can, are you able to leave?

1275. I'm not able to leave B.C.

1276. I can't even go to another province in Canada right now.

1277. Uh, and it's because I'm technically out on bail.

1278. What happened exactly?

1279. How exactly did, did this get into the courts to begin with?

1280. Right, so what happened

1281. is we set up a meeting with B.C. Children's Hospital

1282. and according to the B.C. Children's Hospital website,

1283. there's gonna be a thorough evaluation.

1284. and I'm thinking, good. This is gonna be the end of it all.

1285. They're gonna clearly see that my child

1286. is not the opposite sex.

1287. So my ex-wife brings my child into B.C. Children's hospital.

1288. I get a call less than an hour into that appointment

1289. that they were gonna pump her full cross-sex hormones

1290. within the hour. And I put a halt to that. I said, no.

1291. They agreed to, to stop for the moment.

1292. They figured, well, let's get the dad on board too.

1293. This is all gonna be better.

1294. Let's just get everybody on the same page.

1295. I said, it's not gonna happen.

1296. So I get a letter from B.C. Children's Hospital

1297. in December of 2018,

1298. and it says, "That under the B.C. Infant's Act

1299. they will start injecting my child with cross-sex hormones,

1300. and I have two weeks to respond with legal action

1301. if I so choose." And so that's how I ended up in court

1302. 'cause I did respond with legal action.

1303. So you called your daughter a she,

1304. and you, you went to jail for that?

1305. It's considered criminal violence

1306. to not use the preferred pronouns.

1307. It's no different than let's say I were to take a broomstick

1308. and whack one of my kids over the head.

1309. So they were treating it in a similar fashion

1310. that misgendering, mispronouning my child

1311. was the equivalent of family violence.

1312. Is she on the hormone pills now?

1313. She is.

1314. The court ordered that she could do whatever she wanted.

1315. 2010 until I would say 2016,

1316. I would say 80% of my clients were trans youth.

1317. Now it is you identify, you take hormones, you do surgery.

1318. There isn't any other pathways.

1319. So if you have two parents,

1320. one parent wants to affirm the trans identity,

1321. the other parent doesn't who wins that battle?

1322. - The one who wants to affirm. - Every time?

1323. Every single time.

1324. The goal is to get the parents to affirm the kid.

1325. There's no such thing as a gender affirming therapist.

1326. - That's a contradiction in terms. - Why?

1327. Because you don't affirm if you're a therapist.

1328. It's not your business to affirm.

1329. You come to see me 'cause there's something wrong.

1330. Maybe you come to see me

1331. because a destructive element of you

1332. is wreaking havoc in your life.

1333. I'm on the side of the part of you

1334. that wants to aim up, man. That's what I'm on the side of.

1335. Okay, now I don't know what that means in your case,

1336. but we're gonna talk about it.

1337. Am I gonna affirm what you think?

1338. No, it's not up to me to affirm it.

1339. You don't get a casual pat on the back from a therapist

1340. for your preexisting axiomatic conclusions.

1341. That's not therapy. That's a rubber stamp.

1342. Is anybody at any point explaining to these kids

1343. the, the, the real long-term consequences

1344. of hormones and puberty blockers?

1345. I don't think they're explaining it to the kids.

1346. So that has frightened me,

1347. that it's become that we're even talking to the kids

1348. about it at 10, we're presenting it in schools.

1349. So this generation, they're the, they're the lab rats?

1350. Biological sex binary.

1351. It's been binary for like a hundred million years,

1352. longer than that.

1353. Temperament is not binary, temperament or personality.

1354. So that's gender. Temperament is gender?

1355. Well, gender's not a good word,

1356. because it's vague and it isn't measurable.

1357. So do we need it? Why can we just say temperament?

1358. What do we even need the word gender for?

1359. - Well, I don't need it. - Yeah. - But what I would say

1360. is that people who talk about the diversity and gender

1361. are actually talking

1362. about diversity, and personality, and temperament,

1363. but they don't know it.

1364. You can have a masculine temperament if you're a woman.

1365. Maybe one in 10 women have the average temperament of a man.

1366. And you can have feminine men temperamentally.

1367. And it's not that uncommon, because the differences

1368. between men and women temperamentally aren't that great.

1369. There are masculine girls. There are feminine boys.

1370. What are we gonna do about that? Carve them up.

1371. You as someone who, who started your professional life,

1372. - you know, transgender care. - Yeah.

1373. Now you're sitting here talking to me

1374. um, and I'm a dangerous man I've been told.

1375. - Mm-hmm. - Are you worried about reprisals?

1376. Are you worried about how this is gonna be,

1377. how this is gonna play among your professional peers?

1378. I am worried that I can't have conversations

1379. with any other peers. I don't know any other peer

1380. that will speak to me around these things. That question it.

1381. I just don't think developmentally

1382. this is helpful to our children.

1383. You step wrong as the therapist,

1384. you say the wrong thing once,

1385. and like your bloody career is over.

1386. And now it's the same with physicians.

1387. How's that gonna work?

1388. You're gonna go have an honest conversation

1389. with your physician when he's terrified out of his mind

1390. that he'll say something politically incorrect

1391. during the diagnostic processes.

1392. Hey man, you're sick with whatever you wanna be.

1393. See you later. You want a prescription for something.

1394. I left academia because the climate

1395. had become too stifling politically,

1396. especially when it comes to the topic of gender identity

1397. and the science of gender

1398. it is absolutely impossible to do good research.

1399. You basically have to decide beforehand

1400. what you're going to find,

1401. so that you don't upset activists.

1402. And that is not how you do science.

1403. Why has this shift occurred

1404. where all of a sudden gender and sex

1405. have become so politically and culturally charged?

1406. There is a really ugly history

1407. between sex researchers and transgender activists.

1408. In the past if any sex researcher spoke out

1409. about science that went against activists orthodoxy,

1410. or particular narratives that activists wanted to promote,

1411. they would basically have their personal

1412. and professional reputations ruined.

1413. So what you see is that only experts who tow the party line

1414. and say the things that activists like,

1415. those are the people who get attention.

1416. Those are the people who get lifted up in the media.

1417. And also, I would say people are incentivized to go along

1418. with the activist narratives and gender ideology,

1419. - because that helps their career. - Trans is very cool.

1420. Trans is a way of, of, of giving yourself value.

1421. Given the way society at the moment is functioning.

1422. All of the things that used to give us anchors of identity

1423. have become very fluid or very volatile in recent years.

1424. And into that context, I think what, what you find then is,

1425. is new identities start to, to fill the void or the vacuum.

1426. Whereas in the past, I might have got my sense of self-worth

1427. from being part of the village where I grew up.

1428. Now, I might get my sense of self-worth

1429. through being part of the online community

1430. that I connect with or part of the,

1431. - the sexual identity community. - So now we are seeing kids

1432. that are identifying as animals going to school,

1433. and they are purring instead of answering questions

1434. and they meow,

1435. and the teachers are not allowed to question it

1436. because it's considered a queer identity.

1437. So you have kids that are going to school

1438. - and they're saying I'm a cat. - Mm-hmm.

1439. And the teachers have to affirm them as a cat?

1440. Yes, so it's not— So schools are-

1441. - Just the young ones. - Like literal,

1442. - literal zoos now basically. - They are.

1443. I am a 27-year-old transgender woman.

1444. I am a wolf therian and a member of the furry fandom.

1445. When and how did you discover this inner wolfness?

1446. Probably around age 10 or 11.

1447. I was watching an anime about wolves,

1448. and see the wolf running across the screen,

1449. and I'm somehow just intrinsically like, oh, that's me.

1450. Have you spent any time around biological wolves?

1451. - Yes. - That sounds dangerous also.

1452. What, what context are you?

1453. So I was a volunteer with a preserve,

1454. and I've, I've also visited many wolf preserves.

1455. Are you able to communicate with the wolves?

1456. Am I gonna have a conversation with the wolf

1457. in the way that I'm communicating you and I? Obviously not.

1458. Am I going to read their body language,

1459. respond appropriately to their behaviors

1460. and their nonverbal cues? Yes.

1461. Would you be able, would you be able to give us

1462. - an example of this wolf communication? - No.

1463. - I'm not comfortable doing so. - Okay, all right.

1464. How exactly have these ideas become so pervasive?

1465. First of all, I think we need to remember

1466. that in the West at least, we have it drilled into our minds

1467. from childhood onwards that personal happiness

1468. is the key to individual flourishing.

1469. Secondly, we think of ourselves in psychological terms.

1470. I am my feelings. And in order for me to be happy,

1471. I have to be able to express my feelings.

1472. I have to be outwardly

1473. that which I feel myself to be inwardly.

1474. Thirdly, we are taught that interfering

1475. with somebody else's happiness is very bad.

1476. We need to acknowledge that there are powerful lobby groups,

1477. powerful cultural and political lobby groups

1478. driving this thing.

1479. Hollywood is pressing LGBTQ+ matters in so many movies.

1480. We're seeing it in the way Amazon sets up its algorithms.

1481. There are all kinds of factors in society

1482. that are pushing what would really be numerically

1483. a fairly minority interest into being one

1484. of the main political focal points of this generation.

1485. After my operation, I will be a woman.

1486. Why can't she just be a lesbian?

1487. 'Cause she's not a lesbian mom. She's a boy.

1488. Because I was born in a girl's body.

1489. Can I ask you a question? Why don't you kiss me?

1490. The whole idea of social contagion,

1491. that there could be something in one social environment

1492. that could play some role in somebody coming out,

1493. identifying as trans,

1494. would you say that that is definitely part of your story?

1495. When I look back, I don't think I would've ever even

1496. considered in seeing myself as a boy

1497. without these social aspects.

1498. Especially if I hadn't joined these online communities.

1499. I identify as non-binary.

1500. I'll officially be changing my pronouns to they/them.

1501. My pronouns are he/him and demon/demonself.

1502. I've been going by they/them pronouns for four years now.

1503. - I'm pretty— They! - Comfortable with it. - They!

1504. - I use they/them pronouns. - There was literally a period

1505. of a few weeks to a few months, I started out as an ally,

1506. and then eventually I starting to identify as transgender.

1507. - We are trans models. - So they go on the internet

1508. and they're told that all of their problems will be solved

1509. if they become a man.

1510. Kids are being taught you might feel like you're a boy

1511. even if you have a vagina and you're a girl,

1512. you are what you feel you are.

1513. Some people are girls, some are boys, some are both,

1514. some are neither.

1515. Gender is all about how we feel on the inside

1516. and how we express ourselves.

1517. Ah, the gender fluid teacher.

1518. What do I go by in the classroom? I go by teacher Fambrini.

1519. As a queer and trans teacher my agenda

1520. is to show little boys that they don't have

1521. to be like as stereotypically masculine.

1522. That they can like paint their nails and wear earrings

1523. and like still be a guy, and like it can be cool.

1524. So you worry that there,

1525. there could be a sort of social contagion element of this?

1526. A teeny tiny bit, maybe.

1527. Looking back on it was the same pattern.

1528. Just kids who were really struggling.

1529. Kids who were very alone and isolated.

1530. They have anxiety.

1531. They don't fit in with their peers.

1532. They don't know where they belong.

1533. Maybe they didn't have a welcoming family life.

1534. They just got caught up in these communities online.

1535. Then they discover, hey, there's these group of people

1536. and they also don't fit in. They're different.

1537. They're not sure who they are. Gee, that's where I fit in.

1538. Today is the day before my top surgery.

1539. I am waking up tomorrow at 5:00 am

1540. to have a subcutaneous mastectomy.

1541. We're telling children when they haven't fully developed

1542. that all you have to do is medically transition

1543. and you fit in. I was one of those kids.

1544. It got me at 42. Your child doesn't have a chance.

1545. Trans rights.

1546. This is only going in one direction.

1547. You will respect us.

1548. As parents come to understand more about gender identity

1549. kids are coming out at younger ages.

1550. It's exciting. And you know, who gets it right?

1551. Is this next generation.

1552. The next generation who's already telling us

1553. that our antiquated ideas of things

1554. have to be a certain way just don't apply to them.

1555. They're rejecting a lot of our social mores.

1556. They're tweaking the system.

1557. I just don't think it's realistic

1558. to put this decision on them that is basically saying,

1559. are you okay with the risk of permanent health effects

1560. that you can never, ever reverse?

1561. How can you ask that of such a small child?

1562. I'm a physician and I use medication.

1563. Certainly, it's a bit of a Faustian bargain.

1564. Puberty blockers,

1565. which are completely reversible.

1566. You keep invoking the word truth,

1567. which is condescending and rude.

1568. Some women have penises, right?

1569. Some men have vaginas.

1570. Does a chicken cry?

1571. Does a chicken commit suicide?

1572. I'm not a woman, so I, I can't really answer that.

1573. I guess because I got a dick.

1574. Somehow this madness

1575. has infected our entire society.

1576. Am I the crazy one?

1577. I'm done asking questions.

1578. Tanner Cross is on administrative leave

1579. for what he said about gender identity.

1580. He said, "He would not call a student

1581. who's transgender by their preferred pronoun."

1582. I can't lie to children.

1583. And, and I gotta also represent a whole community

1584. that believes in biological facts and scientific facts.

1585. And I just can't, I can't do that to kids.

1586. You get into teaching because you love kids.

1587. This policy started coming into play

1588. and I was like, wait a minute,

1589. It's causing me, I'm gonna have to lie to my kids.

1590. The ones I've always wanted to protect.

1591. Do we have assaults in our bathrooms,

1592. in our locker rooms regularly?

1593. To my knowledge, we don't have any records

1594. of assaults occurring in our restroom.

1595. My child was raped at school,

1596. and this is what happens.

1597. The predator transgender student is,

1598. or person simply it does not exist.

1599. The Virginia Department of Education says,

1600. "It is now reviewing whether

1601. the Loudoun County school district

1602. has properly reported cases of sexual assault."

1603. This comes after a 15-year-old

1604. was charged on two separate occasions

1605. for assaulting two different students at different schools.

1606. Dozens rallying tonight in Loudoun County

1607. to protest the school's policies.

1608. So that includes limiting who can talk

1609. during public comment portions of board meetings.

1610. One speaker leased property in the area

1611. just so he could speak tonight.

1612. Fox 5's Perris Jones is live with the details.

1613. That's right, conservative commentator Matt Walsh told me,

1614. "He's leasing out someone's basement in Loudoun County

1615. so he'd be able to speak during tonight's meeting."

1616. I decided last week to fulfill my lifelong dream

1617. of being a, um, a Loudoun County resident.

1618. You know, I've always felt like I've lived in Tennessee.

1619. I felt sort of like a Virginian

1620. trapped in a Tennessean's body.

1621. I identify sort of state fluid, I guess.

1622. This is Matt Walsh, he tweeted,

1623. how do you do, fellow Virginians?

1624. Now I just got explain to my wife and kids

1625. that we're gonna be staying in someone's basement.

1626. They tried to muzzle me by not allowing me to speak.

1627. And when that didn't work,

1628. they tried to muzzle me with a mask.

1629. I would thank you all

1630. for allowing me to speak to you tonight,

1631. but you try not to allow it, yet here I am.

1632. Now you only give us 60 seconds, so let me get to the point.

1633. You are all child abusers.

1634. You prey upon impressionable children and indoctrinate them

1635. into your insane ideological cult.

1636. A cult, which holds many fanatical views,

1637. but none so deranged as the idea

1638. that boys are girls and girls are boys.

1639. By imposing this vial nonsense on students

1640. to the point even of forcing young girls

1641. to share locker rooms with boys,

1642. you deprive these kids of safety and privacy,

1643. and something more fundamental too, which is truth.

1644. If education is not grounded in truth than it is worthless.

1645. Worse, it is poison. You are poison. You are predators.

1646. I can see why you tried to stop us from speaking,

1647. you know that your ideas are indefensible.

1648. You silence the opposing side because you have no argument.

1649. You can only hide under your beds,

1650. like pathetic little gutless cowards

1651. hoping we shut up and go away. But we won't.

1652. I promise you that.

1653. Johnny's a boy with a big imagination.

1654. One day, he's a dog, the next day a crustation.

1655. Johnny's mom loves her son's make-believe time.

1656. You're Johnny the Walrus till you change your mind.

1657. Matt Walsh is out with a new children's book.

1658. The book is called "Johnny the Walrus". What is this about?

1659. It sold out on Amazon in a few hours.

1660. So I have embraced my true calling

1661. as a, as a children's author. Hence the cardigan.

1662. The book is about a little boy

1663. who's very imaginative and, and playful.

1664. And like I have four kids and they all have an imagination.

1665. - Yeah. - And he likes to pretend to be different things.

1666. And one day he pretends to be a walrus.

1667. And unfortunately, his mother

1668. is, is very progressive and thus confused.

1669. And so she's convinced by the internet and by society

1670. that if your child is, is identifying as something,

1671. then he really is that thing.

1672. And so she tries to raise her child as a walrus,

1673. as a sort of trans walrus, respecting his self identity.

1674. One morning, he came downstairs barking and clapping,

1675. wood spoons for tusks, and sock fins of flapping.

1676. It spoons in his mouth.

1677. He's pretending to be a walrus.

1678. "I'm Johnny the Walrus," he said with a roar.

1679. Johnny the Walrus.

1680. - This is a hot topic. - Yes.

1681. - That's a good thing, right? - Yeah, absolutely.

1682. It's good for us to have these conversations,

1683. so people open their minds and relearn and unlearn

1684. to what we've been taught.

1685. So I want this to be a safe place to talk about and learn.

1686. As you can see, there's an ongoing evolution

1687. of language and how people can identify.

1688. My next guest author and conservative host

1689. of Daily Wire's "The Matt Walsh Show"

1690. talking about his recently published children's book

1691. that has since been removed online

1692. by a popular large retail chain.

1693. Now Matt says, "Gender is not a social construct,

1694. - but rooted firmly in biology." True? - True.

1695. As human beings we have a sex, male or female,

1696. that is a biological scientific fact.

1697. Now gender is a linguistic term.

1698. Words have gender, people don't.

1699. You can have whatever self-perception you want,

1700. but you can expect me to take part in that self-perception

1701. or to take part in this kind of charade,

1702. this theatrical production. You don't get your own pronouns,

1703. just like you don't get your own prepositions

1704. or your own, your own adjectives.

1705. You know, it's like, if I were to tell you,

1706. my adjectives are handsome and brilliant

1707. and no matter whatever you're talking about me,

1708. you have to describe me as handsome and brilliant

1709. because that's how I identify.

1710. So you think it's a delusion?

1711. Well, this is one of the problems

1712. with this left-wing gender ideology

1713. is that no one who espouses it

1714. can even tell you what these words mean.

1715. - Like what is a woman? - Well. - Can you tell me

1716. - what a woman is? - No, I can't.

1717. Womanhood is something that is an umbrella term.

1718. It includes people who— That describes what?

1719. - People who identify as a woman. - What is that?

1720. What's to each their own.

1721. Each woman, each man, each person

1722. is gonna have a different relation

1723. with their own gender identity and define it differently.

1724. - That, so that's the problem. - You wanna reduce women,

1725. you wanna reduce men down to maybe just their genetics,

1726. - our genitals. - No. - Our chromosomes, right?

1727. That's what you're saying.

1728. What you do is— That's what we are-

1729. - What, you, what you want to do is appropriate women.

1730. - You wanna appropriate womanhood. - Okay. - And turn it into

1731. basically a costume that could be worn.

1732. Joining us on stage is Dr. Suzy D'Enbeau

1733. associate professor at Kent State University.

1734. Dr. D'Enbeau how do you feel those who oppose using pronouns

1735. are taking the wrong approach in this conversation?

1736. There's the extreme approach

1737. that you are admittedly taking.

1738. Um, and then there's also just ordinary people

1739. that might not be comfortable with the language change.

1740. She began by saying that my view is extreme.

1741. Okay, so the view that every single person on earth

1742. has held up until 15 seconds ago is extreme.

1743. They are conflating gender and sex because on one hand,

1744. they say, well, you got your biological sex,

1745. but then your gender is whatever social construct.

1746. But then they turn around

1747. and say that trans women are women.

1748. So a man who, who, who identifies

1749. with the, with the, the gender,

1750. the social construct of womanhood actually is a woman.

1751. Part of me wants to ask why you care so much because-

1752. - Right. - It's really not that big of a deal.

1753. Can I answer that? I care about the truth.

1754. So, so basic truth matters.

1755. I wanna live in a society where people-

1756. - Okay, fine. - Care about the truth.

1757. Um, I care about children and this, these insane ideas-

1758. - I do too. - About gender are being,

1759. are being foist on kids.

1760. Um, and that, that bothers me quite a bit.

1761. I care about the women

1762. who are having their opportunities stolen from them.

1763. - I care quite a bit, yeah. - I wanted us to have a safe place

1764. to be able to talk about this.

1765. And it seems like we should just keep the dialogue going

1766. and, and hopefully find some middle ground.

1767. What do you say to parents?

1768. A parent comes to you and says,

1769. my eight-year-old son is telling me he's a girl.

1770. Yeah, great.

1771. You're gonna have him do an experimental procedure

1772. that creates the most suicidal ideation

1773. of any other population

1774. seven to 10 years after, you know, transition.

1775. And here's what I tell parents,

1776. you don't have the right to medically transition your child.

1777. We have no research on long-term hormone use.

1778. We will be seeing the first generation

1779. of long-term hormone use.

1780. And we already know, at least with 10 years of hormones

1781. you're giving yourself cancer.

1782. What's your message to parents

1783. who are trying to cope with this?

1784. The first thing is to tell parents

1785. that they're not alone. It is our responsibility as a parent

1786. to be the frontline defense for our children.

1787. And, and I know with my child,

1788. a lot of people will say, was it worth it

1789. 'cause you now seemingly have lost your child?

1790. And I'll say, yeah, but at least I've saved my conscience,

1791. and my morals, and my convictions.

1792. And when my child turns 25 and says,

1793. Dad, where were you? I'll say I was there.

1794. I was fighting as hard as I could.

1795. I was not prepared to let this happen.

1796. Does this really matter is, is another question so?

1797. Matters for those who are getting double mastectomies

1798. - when they're 16. - Why should we care

1799. if we live in a society where gender is fluid?

1800. Well, I cared because my government decided

1801. that I had to call people by the terms that they were,

1802. that they designated or I'd be subject to legal penalties.

1803. It's like, no, I'm not doing that.

1804. I don't care what your reason is.

1805. You don't get control of my tongue.

1806. We live in a climate now in which no one seems to care

1807. about the safety of women and girls who are going through

1808. a very developmentally challenging time in their lives.

1809. They may not want to share spaces with their male peers.

1810. I would not be surprised in a few years,

1811. there will no longer be women's sports.

1812. It will literally be men's sports and transgender sports.

1813. The question being asked by the trans person

1814. is, is a legitimate one, how can I be happy?

1815. The answer being given by having my body transformed

1816. to look like the other gender,

1817. by having myself pumped full of hormones,

1818. clearly isn't working, and we have to find a better

1819. and the more humane way of dealing with individuals

1820. who are struggling with gender dysphoria.

1821. I have the utmost compassion

1822. for people who suffer from gender dysphoria.

1823. It's a nightmare for them and their families.

1824. The vast majority, up to 90% of kids

1825. if they go through a normal puberty, they're gonna be okay.

1826. They will be at peace with their bodies,

1827. and they will have avoided dangerous

1828. and experimental medical interventions and surgeries.

1829. Maybe we're up against a battle here

1830. up against a hill that perhaps,

1831. you know, we're not gonna necessarily win today,

1832. but if we don't pave the way for a win,

1833. we'll never get there.

1834. So we're going on this journey,

1835. boys can be girls, girls can be boys,

1836. men can be women, women can be men.

1837. - It makes me wonder what, what is a woman? - What is a woman?

1838. A woman is someone who claims that is their identity.

1839. It could be many things to many people.

1840. I think the question really brings up

1841. the, the fact that it is pretty relative, right?

1842. That if you ask women across race, across identities,

1843. across class, across culture,

1844. you will get a different answer.

1845. Some of it is, you know, based on biology,

1846. some of it is based on hormones.

1847. Some of it, it is based on what you wear

1848. and, and how you present yourself.

1849. A woman is not anything in particular.

1850. It's not, there's no one particular thing.

1851. There is not one particular thing.

1852. A woman is someone who says that she is a woman

1853. - and transitions to be a woman. - Who says that she's what?

1854. Can you define the word woman without using the word woman?

1855. I mean that's actually kind of like,

1856. it's a curious question, but I.

1857. We've been journeying across the country

1858. asking people this question,

1859. and almost nobody can answer it.

1860. - What is a woman? - What is a woman?

1861. Marry one and find out.

1862. - Mm-hmm. - So I should go home and ask my wife, I guess.

1863. Yeah.

1864. Hey, I've been meaning to ask you something.

1865. Uh-huh.

1866. What is a woman?

1867. An adult human female who needs help opening this?

1868. Can you provide a definition for the word woman?

1869. - Can I provide a definition? - Mm-hmm, yeah.

1870. - I can't. - You can't?

1871. - Not in this— Okay. - Context. - So you believe-

1872. - I'm not a biologist. - The meaning of the word

1873. woman is so unclear and controversial

1874. that you can't give me a definition.

1875. Senator, in my work as a judge,

1876. what I do is I address disputes.

1877. If there's a dispute about a definition,

1878. people make arguments, and I look at the law-

1879. - All right. - And I decide. - Well— So I'm not.

1880. The fact that you can't give me a straight answer

1881. about something as fundamental as what a woman is

1882. underscores the dangers of the kind of progressive education

1883. that we are hearing about.

1884. Just last week, an entire generation of young girls

1885. watched as our taxpayer funded institutions,

1886. permitted a biological man

1887. to compete and beat a biological woman

1888. in the NCAA swimming championships.

1889. What message do you think this sends to girls

1890. who aspire to compete and win in sports

1891. at the highest levels?

1892. Senator, I'm not sure what message that sends.

1893. If, if you're asking me

1894. about the legal issues related to it,

1895. those are topics that are being hotly discussed,

1896. - as you say, and— Right. - Could come to the court.