WALL·E (2008)

1. I just want to point out right away

2. that there would never be any singing in space.

3. You would never hear this.

4. In space, no one can hear you sing?

5. That is totally true.

6. Wow, you could put that on a T-shirt.

7. Yeah.

8. There is actually a pretty nice counterpoint

9. with the opening song here and these images of space.

10. You know, speaking of science, you know,

11. that galaxy is rotating really fast in the beginning.

12. You would never see that.

13. Well, I think it's a time-lapse thing.

14. It's like one of those... You know, like the old Disney...

15. We're sub-light. Look, we're sub-light here. Okay?

16. Sub-light? Is that some... What is sub-light?

17. What's a sub-light?

18. Not light speed, less than light speed.

19. - Sub-light. Oh. Thanks a lot, Asimov.

20. You know, this isn't a live-action picture,

21. so you can't, you know,

22. limit the camera to the physics of real space.

23. See, look, nuclear power. Nuclear power.

24. You're gonna start there? You're gonna start there?

25. You're just gonna lower the bar right down...

26. And excuse everything from here on out, is what you're saying.

27. Well, we have to.

28. We're climbing upwards at this point in the film.

29. So, this is 700, 800 years of...

30. They don't know that yet.

31. Will you hush?

32. This is similar... No spoilers, right?

33. We shouldn't give anything away in advance.

34. Hopefully, this is not the first time

35. they're seeing this film with this commentary.

36. Yeah, yeah. If you're watching this film now,

37. and you haven't seen it without commentary...

38. Maybe they accidentally...

39. Stop, go back. Stop, go back, watch it.

40. Spoilers ahead!

41. Spoilers alert. You're beyond the spoiler zone.

42. You know what a spoiler is, don't you, Lindsey?

43. I do. Thanks for asking, though. Thanks for checking.

44. Okay, good. I just wanted to make sure that's clear.

45. I thought we were clear we weren't mentioning names.

46. So that's WALL∙E.

47. What does WALL∙E stand for, Derek?

48. "Waste Allocation Load Lifter, Earth-Class."

49. Angus.

50. That's pretty nerdy.

51. Actually, the acronym changed a couple of times

52. because a second "L" was added midway through the production, so...

53. Why was that?

54. It's because everybody was worried

55. that people would mispronounce the title as "Whale"

56. without the second "L". I'm serious. We had to add...

57. Are you sure that's the... Was it a pronunciation thing?

58. Further putting forth our environmental message.

59. It was a pronunciation thing.

60. All right. - It was a pronunciation thing.

61. They were like, "Everybody's gonna mispronounce it and call it 'Whale',"

62. which is not nearly as endearing or charming,

63. and slightly misleading, frankly, a film called "Whale."

64. And that is endearment personified right there.

65. That's our little friend.

66. I gotta say, there's no way

67. the hubcap would still be that pristine...

68. And shiny. If it was crunched into a cube?

69. Yeah. Well, nobody's used an automobile

70. for 700, 800 years.

71. So, is that actually an Igloo?

72. - Did you talk to the Igloo people? Yeah.

73. - And you got their cooler... - Yeah.

74. Made sure everything was... Oh, that's good.

75. So, are you gonna be this guy through the whole thing?

76. What? No, I'm not that guy.

77. I have a little bit of a back story for Hal the cockroach.

78. Can you tell me, Angus, how Hal got his name?

79. I believe it was Reardon who wanted to call him Hal. Is that right?

80. - HAL the computer or... No, you're incorrect.

81. - Hal Roach? Hal Roach. - It was for Hal Roach.

82. Filmmaker, made a lot of Little Rascals shorts in the '30s.

83. It could work on the "HAL the computer" level, too, I suppose.

84. A lot of acronyms in this movie.

85. Yeah, it was a double nerd reference,

86. which is important for any of our jokes.

87. Right, right.

88. There's gas. And in the future here,

89. money is just like on the streets.

90. So although no one is around and it's totally lonely,

91. there's tons of money, which is nice.

92. And this is a perfect opportunity

93. to point out the copious amount of dystopian versus utopian worlds

94. we're gonna see in this movie.

95. And that is a recurring theme in a lot of science fiction movies that we love,

96. but this sort of dystopian future, this trashed world...

97. Not for my benefit, but for our watchers...

98. We all know what you mean.

99. What is the difference between dystopian and...

100. Will you please define "dystopian" for the...

101. Dystopian is a...

102. Are you gonna be like Mr. Professor this whole...

103. I think that's about the size of it.

104. Let him finish.

105. He asked the question. So, "dystopian"?

106. Dystopian is a bleak vision of the future.

107. Utopian is an optimistic vision of the future.

108. There's a contrast there. There is a contrast.

109. - We have both of those things. - We do have both of those things.

110. And I'll remind us later, when we get to it.

111. I will point it out. I would like to point out...

112. I don't know how those trash piles go into boxes there,

113. so that doesn't make any sense to me.

114. Well, I know that Ralph and his team figured out

115. - the mechanics of the sequence... Oh, no... Yeah.

116. - It's incinerated. all of the incinerated...

117. Oh, it's going the opposite direction.

118. Yeah, they go down.

119. They're going into massive incinerators.

120. Oh, I was seeing it wrong. I was seeing it wrong.

121. They put a tremendous amount of thought

122. into the mechanics and the procedure.

123. For one shot. For one shot.

124. But you know what? It's that kind of thorough planning that makes...

125. That makes these movies cost $150 million.

126. Exactly. They put a little twist on it.

127. You know? It's called verisimilitude, Lindsey.

128. It's bringing a level of truth to this. Oh, there's a little glimpse of utopia.

129. This is great, yeah.

130. I just love that this is our live-action.

131. Right. The introduction of live-action.

132. There it is.

133. We've crossed the line.

134. That's Andrew Stanton the director's

135. daughter there on the right.

136. Little-known fact.

137. The Axiom. Putting the star in executive star liner.

138. Fred Willard, you did a great job. Thanks.

139. He was fantastic. - He's funny.

140. He was. He was hilarious.

141. I wouldn't stand that close

142. if that spaceship was taking off, though, so I don't...

143. But it's supposed to be fake in the commercial.

144. It's not supposed to really be taking off.

145. It was a green screen. - Oh.

146. It's like, you see something... It's a commercial.

147. No, no, no, that thing's huge.

148. I mean, you know, people stand around

149. watching the shuttle take off.

150. Yeah, but they're miles away. That looks like he's like right there.

151. That thing is huge. It's a commercial.

152. - It was supposed to be fake. Do you not remember?

153. So you mentioned the Igloo earlier...

154. I guess we can agree to disagree.

155. How many other real life objects

156. or products are in WALL∙E's trailer?

157. I think there's actually five.

158. Many. Many?

159. Five or six, baby.

160. Five or six actual objects?

161. And that doesn't count as a pop culture reference, right?

162. - That's more of a... It's a dystopian answer.

163. It's an anchor to a world we know.

164. I mean, this is the closest a Pixar movie probably has come to

165. being anchored in a real world, right?

166. I mean, 'cause there's real-world stuff in here.

167. I think you're right, Derek.

168. Well, there's a lot of films... anyway.

169. Well, there's a lot of real-world stuff in here.

170. I gotta say that there's no way that, that toaster is plugged in.

171. Oh, Hello, Dolly!

172. It was great. When we started this movie...

173. That's a Brazil, you know. That totally reminds me of in Brazil,

174. when, you know, they have the little screens

175. and they have the big magnifying glass.

176. Right, right. But Hello, Dolly! was in it all the way along.

177. All the way along.

178. And it's actually what dictated us using live action.

179. Yep, we were trapped. - Because we were trapped.

180. We were backed into a corner and had to use live action,

181. since we had the Hello, Dolly! footage.

182. Yeah. Many people are trapped by the vision of Hello, Dolly!

183. Hello, Dolly! has two great songs in it,

184. and that's the two great songs.

185. No, no, it has three great songs.

186. Really? What's the third great song?

187. 'Cause I don't know the songs well enough.

188. Well, I know Louis Armstrong pops up in there.

189. Can't hold a candle...

190. It Only Takes A Moment. I don't know.

191. It can't hold a candle to Seven Brides for Seven Brothers.

192. I'm really more of a Cabaret fan myself.

193. Look at you guys with the musical knowledge.

194. Yeah, we brought the wrong geeks in here.

195. Seriously, I have not that much knowledge about anything.

196. You guys have more knowledge about this stuff...

197. No, no, no. - ... than I have about anything.

198. But get this. In Japan, they have a term called otaku,

199. which means a disproportionate enthusiasm or obsession

200. with a given thing,

201. so, if you were super-knowledgeable about wine...

202. The thing is, I'm not that knowledgeable about anything.

203. What about '80s teen dramas?

204. - No. - Coming-of-age films?

205. - Daddy disapproval movies, where... - Uh-uh. Nope.

206. there's some cultural thing they've really got to get over?

207. - No. Celebrity gossip?

208. - No. Hey, there's Hal again.

209. We like cockroaches.

210. Well, we went rats last time. We figured roaches...

211. Yeah, yeah, well, in France...

212. Little pieces of poop will be...

213. how many people own rats now because of Ratatouille?

214. I mean, I'm sure pet cockroaches are going to actually...

215. It's a problem.

216. New York is gonna love this film.

217. Well, there's an interesting thing.

218. Somebody was telling me that while most people believe

219. that cockroaches will be the last surviving creature on the planet,

220. if humans were gone, cockroaches would apparently die out pretty quickly

221. because most of what they live on is human waste.

222. So, while they're resistant to nuclear, you know...

223. I was not aware we had to prepare for this.

224. Doing that research, I mean, I'm very impressed. That's great.

225. No, no, this is something I remember...

226. This is what happens when you're in the story department.

227. - You know this kind of stuff. In the story room,

228. the conversations would drift to all of these things, and...

229. I'm sorry, I gotta interrupt. I gotta interrupt. Look at that.

230. That snack cake.

231. - When it says "Kremies"... Kremies.

232. That logo, the old '70s Star Wars font, or '60s Star Wars font, I love it.

233. Star Wars was made in the '70s though. It's not a '60s thing.

234. No, it's Star Trek. Did I say Star Wars?

235. - Yeah, you did. You said Star Wars.

236. Oh, my God.

237. That would be like a rookie mistake I would make.

238. You know what? I can't believe

239. I confused Star Trek and Star Wars. "They're the same thing!"

240. Get off the couch, Angus. Go.

241. Eleven years. - Get off the couch.

242. - '66 to '77. Whatever.

243. That's a long time. - All right. Well, anyway...

244. But, yeah, that little cake has two cream holes instead of three

245. and that's a good cream hole.

246. Which distinguishes it from the other snack cakes.

247. It is not like the other snack cake. It is a Creamie.

248. Robot point of view. That's pretty exciting.

249. We get to see a few robot point of views.

250. Was there any special thinking that went into the robot point of view?

251. Angus? Bill?

252. Not that I'm aware of.

253. You mean in terms of like which shots were going to be?

254. Well, no, just... I mean, I think that happens in story,

255. but as far as what would a robot's point of view...

256. Look at you taking credit for everything.

257. You're like, "Oh, no, that's in story."

258. Well, no, but deciding which shot...

259. Yeah. You know, when like Luke looks through... In Star Wars,

260. when Luke looks through his binoculars

261. and it's got the whole like auto-focusing ring inside...

262. Yes, yeah. - ... that...

263. Yeah, but that's so that he can see it.

264. That's like saying there's another being inside him that's witnessing that.

265. I don't know if he actually experiences that in his field of view.

266. Well, they say dogs see In black and white.

267. I mean, does WALL∙E see...

268. I mean, it's like Terminator. Terminator vision.

269. Well, WALL∙E... I mean, we're gonna see M-O's vision later on

270. is a bit like a Predator vision, sort of a heat-sensing thing.

271. But WALL∙E's vision is a little bit more monochrome.

272. It looks great. - That means one color, Lindsey.

273. I'm glad I've become the idiot on the couch. Thank you. Thank you.

274. This, I got to say, please don't drive over a cockroach.

275. It will not come back to life.

276. Yeah. - Just... It's not...

277. Only in the movies. Only in the movies.

278. I will point out that there's no way that he could actually do all these things.

279. Way to shatter the illusion!

280. I'm sorry. We said no spoilers.

281. That's a bra. This is a G-rated movie and there's a bra in this movie.

282. No, he thinks it's a pair of goggles.

283. Oh, and that's what makes it G.

284. But Bobble Heads survive in the future. That's nice to know.

285. This car alarm bit's pretty funny, too,

286. - 'cause of that car alarm battery. Paddleball.

287. Paddleball, yep. Diamond ring.

288. Name those carats. You're pretty observant.

289. - How many carats in that ring? How many carats?

290. Well, actually, thanks for asking.

291. It depends on three Vs, right?

292. That's a Lindsey question.

293. Aren't you gonna say that all that stuff wouldn't fit in the Igloo?

294. Oh, no, we'd just swap that out.

295. - Captain Bringdown? "Captain Bringdown"?

296. Am I supposed to be Captain Bringdown?

297. Well, you did... This is some foreshadowing.

298. Okay? Just so you know. There it is.

299. Now, this totally negates your "couldn't build the tower"...

300. It's a montage! - But it's one day!

301. No, but we're only told that from the lighting. We can fake that.

302. He gets a good start. This one always got me.

303. How could that plant grow inside the refrigerator? But I guess it's open.

304. It's not open. The refrigerator was open,

305. and then there was a strong wind that day, it closed...

306. If he can do basically a base layer

307. at the widest part of the tower in a day...

308. Okay. Okay?

309. And then how many levels are there gonna be for a trash tower?

310. Remember, it wasn't just him. Three hundred, 400.

311. All right. So that's 300, 400 days, tops.

312. Think about how many WALL∙Es were helping him out.

313. He could build one in a year.

314. Okay, okay, okay. It's been 800 years.

315. That's times the rate of the WALL∙E deaths, or the other ones.

316. Yeah, how long would... - So, if each one...

317. I'm just saying a single WALL∙E, our guy...

318. Yeah. - ... if he can build the base of a tower

319. in a day, and that's the widest part,

320. you know, however many levels it's gonna be, it's gonna be less.

321. He can do it in a year, maybe a year and a half.

322. Okay? Yeah.

323. So, Angus, something gives me the feeling

324. that the scale of these dots bother you.

325. Don't prompt me for stuff I've already talked about.

326. This has always bugged me a little bit.

327. It's like the ship is supposedly coming down.

328. It's got these, like, laser sights or whatever.

329. It's finding a good place to land.

330. And the little dot is just like moving around.

331. It's triangulating. - It's trying to...

332. Yeah, but does that mean the ship is doing that, or...

333. No, no, no, no. There's like

334. an omnidirectional laser on the bottom.

335. And what's happening with WALL∙E is that he is acting as...

336. Like, something that the ship doesn't want to land on.

337. So that's why it's trying to get away from WALL∙E.

338. So if WALL∙E wasn't doing that,

339. it would have landed I guess next to his house.

340. You're making that up. - No!

341. - You are totally making that up. - I was told...

342. You gotta think on your feet in this place, man.

343. it was omnidirectional laser, or a light-emitting...

344. Laser. - What does "laser" stand for?

345. That's a good question. No, no, no. It...

346. Bill, what's "laser" stand for?

347. I didn't know laser was an acronym, but it is.

348. "Light Amplification..." I don't remember.

349. You see, it's just another acronym.

350. We just lost half the country on that one.

351. Now here is the... - We don't know what laser means.

352. sort of Close Encounters type shot, but you...

353. Yeah, that was a tricky shot, actually.

354. It really works well, I think.

355. I think this would be real... And it's a design flaw of the ship.

356. If you were standing underneath it, you could not get out.

357. I think that that's...

358. Well, he's going under, though, so it's all...

359. Well, he has that ability. - Yeah. He doesn't dig much later.

360. He's a digger. Yeah.

361. And he's a piler.

362. A stacker.

363. No, I think that this heat would actually melt his lenses.

364. Yeah. I don't think it would cool...

365. This is futuristic metal.

366. I don't think it would cool down that quickly.

367. Yeah, you have to consider that WALL∙E's gonna be made

368. out of some super-advanced metal alloy that's gonna...

369. Yeah, exactly.

370. That unfortunately will weather as if it's like wrought iron or cast steel.

371. It's the metal of the future.

372. Some kind of sophisticated ceramic.

373. Well, they gotta make it on a budget.

374. They're cranking out a bunch of these.

375. Right, right, right.

376. Does every family have a WALL∙E?

377. The fate of the world was in these guys' hands.

378. You'd think they would take some time...

379. Well, yeah, WALL∙E's like the straightforward budget

380. and EVE's supposed to be the big budget, you know.

381. Tritanium alloy. Tritanium or Adamantium.

382. Do you know what Adamantium is, Lindsey?

383. Okay. Why do you keep making me look like the idiot?

384. No! I don't know what Adamantium is!

385. Everyone knows! It's one of the periodic table of elements!

386. Yes. Wolverine's skeleton.

387. - Schticked. - It's...

388. And his claws. Yeah.

389. But, wait, his skeleton is not made of Adamantium.

390. It's laced with Adamantium.

391. I know, it's laced. - It's essentially...

392. Oh, my God. Okay.

393. Look, it would be a lot nerdier if there weren't like six movies now.

394. I think Captain America's shield is also made of...

395. It is also made of Adamantium.

396. Is it really?

397. - Yeah, yeah. - I didn't know that.

398. I mean, it's painted with, I think, standard enamel, but...

399. I don't remember that one.

400. - I think so. - I'm gonna check.

401. We may have to double-check that one.

402. I think his motorcycle's also made of Adamantium.

403. It means "indestructible."

404. See? You can cut that out. That wasn't funny.

405. I don't know if we're talking about parts of this movie that didn't make it,

406. but originally, there was a landing party.

407. Oh, that's right, there was a landing party.

408. - When it was gelatin aliens. - Yeah, they came out and actually...

409. They came out and they spoke in alien talk and then they sent EVE about.

410. So it's really interesting watching this scene, 'cause...

411. It makes it... - ... you don't miss the alien scouts.

412. That lack of aliens. I know, but it makes

413. the love at first sight much more personal.

414. Oh, yeah, yeah.

415. Want to talk a little bit about the science of love?

416. The science of love.

417. There is no science in love.

418. Hey, listen to you and your prompting!

419. "I want you to talk a little bit about your father."

420. "Lindsey, why don't you just..."

421. "How do you feel your relationship with your parents

422. "has affected your career choice?"

423. But, you know, there's a lot of emotion

424. mingled with the science in this movie,

425. so it's, you know...

426. I love the combination. Honestly, I love the combination of...

427. It is a love story, after all. You mean, a lot of fake love

428. - mingled with the fake science? No, it's real love.

429. It's real love. So what are we gonna draw

430. a line in the sand between science fact and science fiction? You know?

431. I think you have been drawing lots of lines in the sand...

432. Every day I draw lines. - ... but it doesn't bother me.

433. I think that...

434. I just like to know when I cross the line, that's all.

435. I think it's when the camera's placed here

436. and then if you had the next shot,

437. if EVE was on the right-hand side, and WALL∙E was on the left,

438. - then you've crossed it. Right.

439. The line is generated by the contact made between their eyes...

440. But she doesn't see him here, so I don't know if that works.

441. No, no, no, but...

442. Are you talking about the screen line?

443. Yeah, screen direction line.

444. - Yeah, we jumped ahead. You did.

445. Phrase it. Like "screen direction's..."

446. See? Nobody thinks you're the idiot.

447. No, we were all just moving ahead.

448. So EVE's flying.

449. Yeah, breaking the sound barrier.

450. Are there any

451. laws of flying science broken on this one?

452. Well, this was also kind of more of a story point before, right?

453. When she kind of had this different personality where, on board the ship...

454. True, yes. She was. Yep, yep, it's very true.

455. she was kind of a slave, if you will, on board,

456. and this is the first time she was free.

457. She was liberated and...

458. And the moment in the film actually stayed,

459. but the story point behind it actually kind of went away.

460. Originally, that was the same

461. with The Empire Strikes Back in the beginning.

462. The probot was gonna do this big song and dance and dance around,

463. but they ended up cutting it.

464. You've animated a break-dancing probot, haven't you?

465. - No. You want to.

466. Love EVE's gun technology.

467. A pulsing power vein. The subcutaneous...

468. We nerded out about that quite little bit.

469. Do you know what that means, Derek?

470. Yeah, I do. "Under the skin."

471. You know what? Can you just go with me?

472. Can you just be like, "No, Lindsey, I don't"?

473. Actually... - Why didn't you tell me?

474. I would appreciate your version of...

475. No, no, it's too late now. Forget it.

476. I will point out on a cheating nerd level,

477. there's no way all that gun crap could fit inside the arm.

478. - We cheated that a lot. There you go again.

479. Captain Bringdown.

480. She's a bit of a magical Transformer,

481. - but she's got something... A magical Transformer?

482. - Well, you know, all the... - Don't give them any ideas.

483. He's a stalker. He is. He's a big stalker.

484. It's a little creepy.

485. Okay. See that little flash

486. - when the laser comes? That's pretty cool.

487. - Yeah. That's the diffraction thing.

488. Aliens? Is that an Aliens reference?

489. That's diffraction.

490. That little glint. Oh, yeah.

491. There probably is some diffraction in Aliens there.

492. That first laser wiping past the camera in...

493. I love that shot.

494. When they cut the hole and the robotic thing comes in and scans...

495. Actually you're gonna see yet another reference to that very shot

496. a little bit later. We were inspired.

497. What? Do you mean the deep salvage team?

498. Yeah.

499. "Oh! You mean the deep salvage team?" Duh!

500. At this point, if you haven't figured it out,

501. we looked at a lot of science fiction movies when we were making this,

502. and we all had our favorites and...

503. She has got a short fuse. - Yeah, she's temperamental.

504. She's got to be cautious.

505. She's sent to a bunch of different worlds,

506. she doesn't know where she's going.

507. You don't know what's out there.

508. If you were left in a tire yard, you know, you'd be nervous.

509. Blow up some tires. I don't know.

510. Now we've established that her gun is pretty powerful

511. and can blow up a boulder, but the cockroach survives,

512. which is a really great joke, I think, but...

513. It got driven over. I think...

514. The cockroach...

515. No, she shoots the cockroach.

516. The cockroach survives everything. That's the joke.

517. That's the running gag.

518. It's driven over. It's the future.

519. It's the most powerful cockroach on the planet.

520. I think that maybe the cockroach

521. might be made of Adamantium,

522. or at least its shell might be laced with Adamantium.

523. Can somebody tell me what the story is with those metal leaves?

524. 'Cause I still haven't gotten the story on that.

525. Originally, those metal leaves...

526. Shavings.

527. were going to be welded together to form a tree.

528. Later on, it's been replaced in the story by the statue of EVE.

529. I like how in the future they use metal shopping carts, though.

530. That's pretty great.

531. Metal shopping carts are not going to go out of style.

532. Well, they're not... Actually, you know, that's one of the...

533. The carbon footprint is pretty heavy for a shopping cart, I think.

534. It kind of looks like she takes his head off.

535. Yeah. I've always... That shot has always made me think...

536. It kind of freaked me out, you know?

537. It's kind of an aggressive maneuver,

538. but she needs some privacy for sleeping.

539. - But WALL∙E does... Privacy for sleeping?

540. Oh, is that what it is? And she's like, "Back off, man"?

541. - "Stay back here"? That's how I kind of read it.

542. Like she's saying, "Keep your distance.

543. "I need some personal space."

544. She's just making him know that she knows he's there?

545. She's got a better sense of boundaries than WALL∙E does.

546. WALL∙E has no sense of boundaries.

547. That's what makes him charming. And a stalker.

548. "Stalkers can be charming." That's the moral of this picture.

549. "Just give him time."

550. So WALL∙E's a great sculptor.

551. I like that he uses a toilet seat.

552. This is the biggest stalker element, right there.

553. "I made a statue of you

554. - "out of a toilet seat." "While you were sleeping"!

555. But that goes a long way to charming EVE, though.

556. - Oh, Pizza Planet truck. Pizza Planet truck.

557. - Outhouse. - Outhouse.

558. Which we have in all of our films.

559. Apollo capsule.

560. There'll be a lot of space references in here.

561. There's two. - So what kind of metal is EVE

562. that's gonna make her magnetic like this?

563. What is she made of, Bill?

564. I thought the whole point was, like, her power source is what,

565. like, turns on the electromagnet.

566. Oh, I didn't get that at all.

567. Yeah. 'Cause there's no power here. It's like the light bulb.

568. Oh, and there's a reference here. This next shot. Watch carefully.

569. There's a piece of metal that flies by WALL∙E.

570. That clanging, like vertical piece of metal

571. is a reference to a piece of metal in the shot in Aliens

572. when the dropship, the Cheyenne dropship, explodes, and it goes right...

573. The one that he's auto-piloting down?

574. Yeah, yeah. Not the auto pilot, 'cause that one...

575. No, no, it's the one that... Sparrow.

576. When Sparrow flies it in and it explodes, you'll notice that...

577. I can't believe it. Wow, Angus. Are you guys sure?

578. You guys referenced a piece of metal?

579. Yeah, we said, "You know, just make it

580. "like that piece of metal in Aliens."

581. See, our references were a little bit more conspicuous.

582. Man! That's pretty bad.

583. I tried to convince Ben to make one of the languages

584. EVE spoke here Huttese,

585. but I don't know if he actually got it into the final mix,

586. but she speaks a few different languages there, too.

587. Yeah. No, I think he did.

588. Did he get it in there? He loved the idea. That's so great.

589. It was just like, "... Chewbacca,"

590. or something like that?

591. No, no, just the one word in Huttese.

592. Did you just speak Huttese? - He did.

593. Yeah. "... Chewbacca." You know,

594. "Oh, it's the mighty warrior, Chewbacca" or whatever.

595. Yeah, or... Let's see...

596. I'm horrified.

597. Okay. Stop. Stop speaking Huttese.

598. All right. Just one... You started it.

599. No, but that was an actual...

600. You referred to it in Huttese.

601. I have to go. I have to leave.

602. That was a pretty clever veiled use of Huttese.

603. Well, we were visiting, we were doing some research

604. on the planet Kashyyyk...

605. That's with three Y's, right?

606. - Chewbacca's home world. Oh, my gosh. It was great.

607. So we get asked this question a lot.

608. Why does WALL∙E never pronounce EVE's name correctly?

609. He just... His vocal programming is not capable...

610. See, that's not been my answer. My answer has been

611. that when he said "Eva," it so charmed her

612. - that he just stuck with it... Oh, okay.

613. - ... because she giggled. I don't think he's that smart.

614. I don't think he's that smart.

615. I think so. I think anything that made her laugh

616. and connect with him, he just was like, "Okay, I'm gonna stick with that."

617. I think he's just got limitations.

618. Oh, I think he's just blind.

619. I think he's just like totally...

620. Wow. You hate WALL∙E, don't you?

621. I don't hate him. I just don't think he's that smart, in that way.

622. Wow. - I think EVE is a lot smarter than him.

623. He's smart in a human... He's street-smart instead of book-smart.

624. I think he knows what charms her and he just...

625. Therefore, he keeps doing it.

626. No. No, I don't think you're right.

627. No, I don't think so.

628. I mean, I think he would do anything...

629. He's charming. - I think he would do anything

630. to charm her, but I think he can't help it.

631. It's just how he is.

632. When he says whatever he says,

633. you want to pat him on the head, right? You're like, "That's correct."

634. Like you're just there, "You're so cute!"

635. Right But he could have corrected himself.

636. I think he stuck with "Eva" 'cause it charmed her.

637. Well, you believe that if that's

638. - what makes you feel good. - I will.

639. Okay. How did this amusing bass find its way in? It's...

640. That was in there in the reels for a long time.

641. It was. From the get-go, I think.

642. From the get-go.

643. I don't know why she has so much hate for Bobby McFerrin.

644. Nothing's funnier than Bobby McFerrin.

645. Coming out of the mouth of a bass...

646. It's true. Wide-mouth bass.

647. There was a lot of thinking

648. that went into some of the different objects

649. that WALL∙E would find interesting and useful.

650. And bubble wrap was the biggie.

651. That's the name of the music cue

652. - in here, is "Bubble Wrap." Is it? Is it really?

653. I gotta say how awesome this one move coming up is, right...

654. She presses it and then she flicks it.

655. Victor Navone animated this. It's really, really wonderful.

656. Yeah. - I think it's my favorite shot in the film.

657. That's pretty great, too.

658. It's, I think, one of the longest shots in the film. I mean,

659. you kind of think it's multiple shots, but it's not.

660. See? See? She powers the light.

661. So that's how she powers the electromagnet.

662. Yeah, but how? With her plastic fingers? I mean, come on.

663. It's not that good of a conductor...

664. So let's come back to the VHS topic

665. here, because WALL∙E clearly recognizes the value of VHS

666. where you do not, Angus.

667. No, no. I'm just saying I think he would go Beta. It would probably last longer.

668. Is that a Beta SP? Is that a Betamax?

669. Everyone agreed, the reason why Beta failed,

670. it was a better product and then the VHS conspirators got together.

671. So I would think, technically, if you're gonna have a tape that lasts

672. that long, it would have to be Beta.

673. So the real question is, were copies of Hello, Dolly! ever printed

674. in Beta or VHS?

675. I believe that... I'm sure they're on VHS.

676. the Fox library was...

677. That looks like an industrial Beta deck to me. Yeah.

678. Sorry.

679. I gotta say, too, that iPod, when we started the movie,

680. that was the most current iPod we could get. And now already...

681. It's outdated already. - ... it looks square, which is great.

682. Well, a little bit of dating doesn't hurt.

683. It adds to WALL∙E's charm.

684. That's what the movie's about actually.

685. Exactly.

686. Yeah, it's not like the toaster he keeps the tape in

687. is a really modern... You know.

688. That's what's kept it alive, is heating it.

689. No, the toaster doesn't work. It's just a container.

690. Come on.

691. How do you know? - I know!

692. - Oh, 'cause you wrote it, right? - No, I didn't write it.

693. Okay. He would totally die. What?

694. What? I think if he hit the side wall...

695. That would have been the decapitating maneuver right there.

696. That's it. That's it. He's dead. He's damaged.

697. He hurt himself!

698. So here we're coming back

699. to the all-important story point of WALL∙E rebuild...

700. The cannibalism point.

701. Self-cannibalism, self-rebuilding.

702. Hold on. I got it. So, does he have a soul?

703. Yeah, sure. - Does he have consciousness?

704. - That we can agree, yeah. - So what part does it live in if he can

705. replace all these parts of himself?

706. It lives in that little deck that gets...

707. It's inside his chest. I believe that his brain is inside his chest.

708. So if that's where his soul is...

709. So if that gets destroyed, he gets no...

710. Well, let's not ruin the end of the film.

711. Yeah, man. We already said

712. - there's gonna be spoilers... I said "if"!

713. Hypothetically. - Hypothetically!

714. It's gotta be in his chest,

715. because that's... Oh, but then that gets fried.

716. Does it get fried?

717. It gets damaged, but it doesn't get

718. - totally destroyed. You're right.

719. I think you just discovered one of the biggest holes in the film.

720. I think we should just stop right now and go back and try and correct that.

721. I think consciousness is an emergent phenomena.

722. Have we already done the prints?

723. I think it's happening as we speak.

724. God, that looks beautiful. Look at that.

725. It's Andrew's favorite shot in the film.

726. Her fingers are not connected to her hand.

727. Right. What keeps her fingers floating there?

728. Is it the same kind of counter... Electromagnetic...

729. Same thing that keeps her head floating.

730. Yeah. What keeps her floating at all?

731. Well, no, that's just it.

732. There's some sort of... I mean, how much thought

733. went into the anti-gravity components of EVE's...

734. If there is a magnet holding those digits in place...

735. Right. - ... would it not naturally attract

736. WALL∙E's hand in that shot?

737. That's how much she doesn't want to hold his hand, though.

738. Oh, it's repelling, so it's the opposite.

739. Yeah. Maybe it's a counter-magnet.

740. Is that what it's called, a counter-magnet?

741. No. I don't know. The anti-magnet.

742. We actually don't know what kind of force it is.

743. How do you say The Force in Huttese?

744. Anyone? I don't know.

745. I don't think the Hutts refer to The Force.

746. Do they believe in The Force?

747. Yeah, they do. They're aware of the Jedi.

748. They say "Jedi."

749. They say "Jedi," so they must know...

750. Is it canon? "Is it canon?"

751. What does that mean?

752. He burps and says, "Jedi." Remember?

753. Oh, and he... Yeah, and he references Jedi tricks.

754. Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right.

755. Canon, Lindsey, is...

756. I know what canon is.

757. I'm just saying if Jabba the Hutt

758. took things a little more seriously,

759. he would be a little more concerned when...

760. Hey, there's EVE's POV. Look how much different that is from...

761. You're interrupting my Jedi conversation.

762. Oh, my gosh. I totally lost my train of Jedi thought.

763. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

764. I'm just saying. What did Jabba need to do?

765. He just needed to have the Gamorrean guards

766. - hold on to their weapons... The pig guards.

767. so they didn't lose them,

768. 'cause he knew that that's one thing Jedis are good at,

769. is picking things up off the ground, specifically weapons.

770. That are far away from them. Or in holsters. Yeah.

771. Okay. Well, I'm glad we got that established.

772. Yeah, this is great,

773. how it goes behind the Fresnel lens. I love this shot.

774. Completely non-physical effect.

775. Yeah. Completely cheated.

776. Did anybody get a real Fresnel lens to...

777. Oh, yes. Not in animation.

778. - And it's sands for now. Deep sigh.

779. Now this gets into another level of WALL∙E's peculiar stalkerness,

780. is that now he starts to kind of go Weekend At Bernie's a little bit with...

781. Yeah. It's a little creepy.

782. A little Lars and the Real Doll.

783. Think it's a little Weekend At Bernie's 2, actually.

784. - Well, I couldn't get her to play... It's the pathetic first date.

785. And what a pathetic first date!

786. - He's so bored, he's... I just love that he's, like,

787. making the song with his wheels.

788. He's scratching.

789. I actually... That's pretty advanced.

790. They did go with Sunday Clothes,

791. but I wanted them to do

792. State of Shock by The Jackson Five from the Victory tour.

793. You know, it's... I can't sing it. That would be

794. a violation of rights.

795. But if you go to iTunes and buy State of Shock, it's a great song.

796. So coming back to the soul, Bill,

797. I think EVE's little heart chip there is also kind of the soul-carrying...

798. - Technology? - ... technology, and it's just a more

799. advanced version of what WALL∙E has.

800. But we had a lot of business with the EVE heart chip in earlier versions.

801. Oh, yeah, I remember, but...

802. "Oh, I remember!"

803. And here's the strange date...

804. Strange date? He took a crowbar to her chest

805. and opened up her chest. That's a strange date.

806. Surgery on the first date!

807. It's pretty strange, but charming.

808. He's trying to help. Again, the stalker charm.

809. Yeah, he's got stalker charm. He's got stalker charm.

810. It's a rare thing, stalker charm, but he has it.

811. Owl

812. I like this, where you see the light bulb follow the dissolve.

813. So I wonder how different

814. the sunsets would be 700 years in the future

815. if the Earth was covered with an atmospheric gas...

816. And that's why we made this movie.

817. We said, "What would happen?"

818. It would be beautiful! Hey, there's some old tech.

819. Yeah, it'd be beautiful, because the red sunset comes

820. from the scattering from all the dust particles in the air.

821. So if you have more dust particles in the air,

822. you're gonna have more scattering.

823. I'd like to point out that if he can play a Pong game that long,

824. he's very, very patient.

825. Yeah, I can't believe you guys let a Pong shot just go by unnoticed.

826. I mean, what kind of patient gamer can do that? I mean, I get...

827. I know. Up to 8,000? - I mean, he could probably...

828. He's been stacking trash for 800 years. He has patience.

829. So Pong, was that Atari?

830. I think Tetris would blow his mind.

831. - Who made the original Pong? Atari.

832. - Is it Atari? - It's Atari.

833. You love Pong. No, I missed Pong.

834. - I grew up in Atari 2600, Combat... You grew up inside, like...

835. - No, no... - Like, please! Like Flynn in TRON?

836. "I was raised in a Commodore 64."

837. "I was raised with the Master Control Program

838. "controlling my every move!"

839. I was at the age where the 2600 was breaking.

840. And TRON came out when I was 10 years old, so that was a big...

841. Yeah. Well, we wouldn't be sitting here if it wasn't for TRON.

842. Did we reference TRON?

843. We asked if we could reference TRON

844. and they said, "Please do,

845. "we're trying to get more awareness of the film out, because..."

846. To get ready for the new TRON? TRON 2?

847. That was 1982... "New TRON"?

848. TRON 2.0 has been rumored for years.

849. No, a neutron? - Oh, got it, yeah.

850. It's a joke. It's a science joke.

851. That was a science joke, yeah.

852. This is going to look great on Blu-ray.

853. Yeah, we are not watching this on Blu-ray right now.

854. You can't say "Blu-ray." You're not supposed to say "Blu-ray."

855. Don't you know that? It's like saying... What if you said...

856. What if this was VHS times, you said, "We're loving this on VHS"?

857. No one watches VHS anymore. Some people do.

858. Say we say, we're watching it on videodisc...

859. VHS is still popular... "Laserdisc," actually.

860. Laserdisc. There you go. So say we're...

861. Pretend we're doing the Laserdisc commentary.

862. We've just ruined it for future generations.

863. So this is a great little thing with the cockroach staying still.

864. And he stays still, spoiler, till the end of the movie.

865. But it's referencing the Hachiko dog sculpture and story from Japan.

866. In Kyoto, there's a sculpture of a dog that waited for its master, who died,

867. and the dog waited for years and years and years.

868. It was a metal sculpture...

869. What? Who fed the dog? - ... of this dog...

870. That's really sad. No, it's this uplifting...

871. Who fed the dog?

872. That's fine, but nobody watching this movie would see that.

873. What does he eat?

874. That's what we're here to point out!

875. Oh, my gosh. That's gold. I think it's hilarious.

876. That's just a beautiful shot, and we all acknowledge it.

877. Yeah. Yes, it's gorgeous.

878. There he is, Hachiko Roach. I think that's great.

879. Are you going to put that in subtitles below, Hachiko Roach?

880. No. Maybe I'm the only one who saw it, but...

881. Okay. No way. No way.

882. Okay. Talk about it. What almost was gonna be in this star field?

883. Okay. Right here we were gonna put the Slave One rocketing off.

884. Do you know what the Slave One is, Lindsey?

885. - No, what's the Slave One? Okay. Okay. Okay.

886. I'm glad you asked, because...

887. That's really why I'm here. I'll let Bill take this one.

888. You do know. You know what the Slave One is.

889. - No. - Boba Fett's ship.

890. Do you know who Boba Fett is?

891. I do know who Boba Fett is.

892. What he's talking about is, in The Empire Strikes Back,

893. when the Millennium Falcon is stuck to the side

894. of the Star Destroyer, and that's how they escape detection...

895. Which one is that? Right.

896. and then they like float off with the garbage

897. - and take off toward Bespin. I'm with you.

898. - And then... - Didn't know it was called Bespin.

899. It's the Cloud City. Everyone knows it.

900. And then you see one of

901. the tumbling pieces of garbage behind them

902. slowly right itself and become...

903. And it's basically this moment that

904. establishes what a great bounty hunter he is.

905. And I just have to say, it's an American flag.

906. Yes. - We had a big argument about that.

907. - We did. How close to the ship...

908. And I believe Bill said, "Look,

909. "there are very few things in American history

910. "we can be very proud of, and one of them is landing on the moon first."

911. We did it, yeah. So I don't know if the sun

912. - would melt that ship. Oh, yeah, "The End."

913. Yeah, "The End." There's plenty...

914. There's about fifteen "The End"

915. parts of this film, which is really great.

916. The original... Hold on, before we go too much further, the...

917. But, wait, is that Saturn?

918. Because Saturn's not blue. It's not blue.

919. That was an aesthetic choice. But the reason to go by the sun

920. originally was a reference to the Star Trek slingshot around the sun

921. in order to vault forward...

922. What, so he's going back in time?

923. He's already in the future.

924. No, they're not going back in time.

925. It's not being slavish. It's just being...

926. Wait, wait, wait. It's a wink. It's a wink.

927. No! Wait. It's a nod. It's not...

928. Back up, back up. Okay, Bill, what were you going to say?

929. They're going faster than light, clearly. They're passing galaxies,

930. - passing other worlds... I buy that.

931. But it just looks like they're cruising. There's no...

932. I know. - I mean, later in the movie...

933. If they're going that slowly... It's scenic light speed, okay?

934. It's like in Doctor Who... So they're not going full throttle.

935. No, like in Doctor Who, when they're drifting, in the new one.

936. The new Doctor Who? - Yeah.

937. - I haven't seen those. - Oh, it's good.

938. If you were slavish to every scientific limitation,

939. you wouldn't have a movie to watch. You've got to take some license.

940. I'm just asking!

941. I'm saying, if it's a reference, then they need to be going faster

942. and they should be in a Bird of Prey or something.

943. Well, let me rephrase. It was Intended as a reference,

944. and then it was dismantled when the sequence was...

945. Okay. We know what that's a reference to.

946. What?

947. It's the Millennium Falcon being docked in the Death Star.

948. Really?

949. That's pretty good Death Star lighting right there.

950. Yeah, totally, fluorescents.

951. So now we're gonna start going into the Axiom world.

952. Okay. This I don't understand. Wait, wait.

953. Now, all of a sudden, there,

954. now we have gravity? I think that as soon as they went into the hole,

955. there would be gravity because

956. - I feel like there's a second shield. Not when the door's shut.

957. No, there's a shield. No, they turn off their...

958. I always thought there should be a shielding in there

959. like in Star Trek.

960. But don't you see a beam? Isn't there some energy there?

961. First Contact? You know,

962. First Contact, when they have the energy...

963. There's a great scene with Alfre Woodard and Patrick Stewart,

964. and she comes on the bridge and he's trying to prove they're on

965. a starship 'cause she doesn't realize they're on a starship

966. because she wakes up in sick bay.

967. Anyway, he shows the... He turns off the... He says that there's like

968. a force field, that there's no glass or anything.

969. I always thought it was like that.

970. Wow. I forgot all those scenes.

971. I thought you were talking about whether or not gravity was on.

972. I'm saying there's gravity inside the starship

973. - as soon as they cross that thing. But we've already established

974. that in this universe that things can be floated magnetically or however.

975. I mean EVE is a floater. Chill out.

976. Okay.

977. So we're going to meet a lot of characters here really fast.

978. That's M-O, and he is the third robot with a POV in this movie.

979. There's the Predator reference.

980. Look at that. That's perfectly cued.

981. Yeah, I didn't even plan that.

982. I think it'd be more like 98% cued.

983. Actually, you know, there's four POVs in this, four robot POVs.

984. We have Auto.

985. Because we have Auto coming up, so...

986. Each one had to be distinctive so you don't get disoriented.

987. Oh, "Scrutah Mah Boot."

988. I miss "Scrutah Mah Boot."

989. Why don't you talk about "Scrutah Mah Boot," Angus?

990. "Scrutah Mah Boot" was a line of dialogue

991. that was uttered by an earlier version of a human character...

992. Back when they didn't speak English.

993. Back when they were Gels.

994. And they had this kind of like

995. new language, a kind of hybrid language.

996. Kind of like Huttese, but...

997. Yeah, it was similar to Huttese,

998. but basically it was similar to English

999. in that "Scrutah Mah Boot" was meant to say, "Scrub my butt."

1000. And they were this jelly-like substance that would get a lot of dust,

1001. and so there was a M-O character where this human character woke up

1002. and was like, "Scrutah Mah Boot!

1003. "Scrutah Mah Boot! Scrutah Mah Boot!"

1004. And that became the mantra. - That became this tag line...

1005. Yeah, we all have T-shirts.

1006. Yeah, and that was during the whole robot uprising.

1007. Yeah. That was more of a... Yes.

1008. Spartacus structure, WALL∙E liberating the slave robots...

1009. The Viking gels.

1010. Humans were gels, more... Green gels.

1011. like an alien civilization.

1012. And midway through, it became clear that this needed to be about people.

1013. They were always supposed to be humans, right?

1014. - They had just devolved... No. They were pure aliens.

1015. - Really? - For a while, yeah.

1016. Originally they were aliens.

1017. I thought they were devolved humans.

1018. No, originally they were aliens,

1019. then it was kind of a Planet of the Apesy thing

1020. where it's like, "Oh, my gosh, they're humans!"

1021. "They are us!" Yeah. - Then we realized,

1022. "That's nowhere to go." You know, there's Planet of the Apes,

1023. and there's the sequel, Beneath the... Beyond the... Below the...

1024. "Beneath." Beneath the Planet of the Apes.

1025. With the bomb, right? That's the one with the bomb?

1026. Yeah, yeah, with the guys that rip off their faces. That one

1027. - comes up in conversation a lot. I don't know.

1028. We actually did...

1029. In whose conversations does that come up?

1030. I gotta tell you the truth. I quit after... I've only seen the first two.

1031. Yeah, probably... There's some interesting, weird stuff later on,

1032. - but, yeah, you're fine. When the apes go to Earth,

1033. I know that happened,

1034. - but I didn't watch it. It kind of goes off the rails,

1035. - and the TV show. They kept lowering the budget with each successive film

1036. - and then it was just worse. Sure.

1037. Angus, have you seen Planet of the Apes yet?

1038. As you do, yes.

1039. - I have seen Planet of the Apes. - Okay. Good.

1040. Wow. That was a major tangent.

1041. You know, tangents are what this whole process is about.

1042. You're actually absolutely correct. That's true.

1043. But then you've got to learn how to wrangle the tangents.

1044. EVE!

1045. Here's humanity. Here it is.

1046. If you would've helped me...

1047. Here it is. Is that John? Is that Ratzenberger?

1048. No, that's not John. No, that's not John.

1049. Well, one of the things that you're gonna see entering this utopian

1050. atmosphere is that it's actually dystopian.

1051. This is that dichotomy we were talking about earlier.

1052. Okay. Now, look, you're preaching, all right?

1053. It's the irony.

1054. This is the thing. I don't think it's our role to sit here and explicate

1055. - what we intended for him to be. Well, you know,

1056. it's some of the thinking that went into...

1057. Yeah, it sounds like art school credit.

1058. What I really wanted to do is talk about...

1059. Look. It's bright, it's colorful. They tell you what to do.

1060. Yeah, okay. What I was gonna say is...

1061. What's the movie? Them?

1062. Well, no. Actually, the big idea was...

1063. I mean, Brave New World, Aldous Huxley kind of stuff was the intention,

1064. at least for a long time.

1065. Well, that and cruise ships in Vegas.

1066. Cruise ships in Vegas?

1067. I didn't know we had to read books for this kind of thing.

1068. Yeah, they are books. We watch, we read.

1069. Double good, double plus good.

1070. It is a Vegas cruise ship.

1071. I actually went on a wedding cruise during this movie

1072. and I secretly was making reference... Observations...

1073. Wait, was it your wedding? - No, no, no, it wasn't my wedding.

1074. It was a friend's wedding, but there was still...

1075. Were you taking notes?

1076. - No, but I collected materials... That's John. That's John.

1077. That's John Ratzenberger.

1078. Did you write the whole trip off?

1079. No.

1080. I wasn't able to quite pull that off. But I was able to get some interesting

1081. lessons in how surreal a cruise ship is to actually be on, and it's...

1082. Is it like this, with robots and stuff?

1083. No, no, no robots.

1084. But people are very different in behavior, and there's just...

1085. Are they kind of large and lethargic?

1086. Well, you're trapped. Yeah.

1087. It's a weird, captive audience, Vegas floating thing.

1088. It's really hard to describe. But some of the...

1089. I love the way the kids are being indoctrinated right from the start.

1090. Yeah, yeah. Again. Gel-babies.

1091. Brave New World. It's weird that "gels" stuck.

1092. Yeah, we kept calling them "gels."

1093. We kept calling them gels

1094. - even after they were humans. If you hear us call them gels,

1095. - what we mean is human character. - Humans.

1096. Yes, gelatinous humans.

1097. But we slimmed them down, didn't we?

1098. - Stunning. - You look great.

1099. I know, honey. Men.

1100. I love Lori's voice as the beautician-bot.

1101. Yeah, it's pretty perfect.

1102. And for you Pixar fan people out there,

1103. Lori did the scratch voice for Mrs. Incredible.

1104. And she did the voice of one of the reporters in Cars, I believe.

1105. She's awesome.

1106. I'll let her know she was called out.

1107. Yeah. She was called out at the Geek Couch. It's nice.

1108. This sequence is called "Axiom Tour," and it was an ongoing...

1109. Have you heard that there's political questions about this?

1110. What? - "Blue is the new red"?

1111. In, like, kind of an election year?

1112. Yeah.

1113. Yes! I never thought of that.

1114. Yeah Take a stand.

1115. Yeah. Totally unintentional, by the way.

1116. Well, there's bound to be...

1117. "Oh, no, we didn't mean it." - There's bound to be stuff that

1118. - is gonna be interpreted, you know. There always is.

1119. There always is. Oh, and there's the lido deck.

1120. WALL∙E's a uniter.

1121. Don't say. "There's this." Of course, there's that.

1122. All right. All right. - I'm saying...

1123. Hey, don't critique each other on the Couch.

1124. I'm just saying that, when you watch an audio commentary...

1125. We're all amongst friends here, sitting in this very tight space.

1126. All right. I'm sorry, Derek. I love you.

1127. Nobody would know.

1128. It does strain my incredulity that

1129. she would not know that there's a pool.

1130. Yeah, like she's never been to the pool before?

1131. I mean, the ship isn't that big.

1132. They only look at their screens.

1133. That's the point.

1134. They don't look at each other. They don't look around.

1135. - They just watch their screen. If you look carefully,

1136. is there still ones and zeros on the keyboard?

1137. Yes, there are ones and zeros.

1138. This is one of my favorite robots

1139. in the whole show, the secretary...

1140. Typing-bot? - ... typing-bot.

1141. All it can do is type. - Yeah, you can tell it's my favorite.

1142. And then it learns...

1143. What? You mean the typing-bot?

1144. The robot learns to wave. Yeah.

1145. Hey, don't describe what we can see on the screen, Angus.

1146. - Oh, that's good, Derek. - See? See how easy

1147. - and how quickly you can... - No, there's a difference.

1148. I'm describing it. I'm not saying, "There's the typing-bot."

1149. I'm saying, "I like what the typing-bot does."

1150. And it's the other robot that has the, like, HAL 9000 eye.

1151. Well, yeah, I guess... This is the Autopilot.

1152. Oops. See, I did it again. "This is..."

1153. No, that's fine. See, Auto has a...

1154. Auto has the eye. - And this is also a little bit of that

1155. Aliens reference, too, with the laser beam.

1156. Now don't get the idea that all we're doing...

1157. A-113! Who's A-113?

1158. Everybody who's watched a Pixar movie by now probably knows.

1159. CalArts classroom A-113. - It's a CalArts classroom.

1160. People are getting tired of it, but there it is again.

1161. We're not getting tired of it. Ever, ever, ever.

1162. Now, as you pan across the wall here, you're gonna see

1163. the names of all the story artists under the portraits of the captains.

1164. - Self-promotion. Gotta do it. Are you in there?

1165. Yeah, I'm one of those captains on the shirt.

1166. - Really? - Not physically my photo but my name.

1167. - Oh, your name? - Yeah.

1168. Are you the woman?

1169. I think we've always tried to make Kevin O'Brien the woman.

1170. Nice. That's nice.

1171. Just a trim?

1172. He approves.

1173. Can I just say that this is one of my favorite shots,

1174. where you just don't... If you're not watching carefully...

1175. You see her pluck his eyebrow. It kills me.

1176. Oh, I didn't notice that. - Yeah.

1177. Wait. Wait a second. Wait...

1178. Right there. Owl

1179. Yeah. Maybe only girls notice that. I feel for him there for a second.

1180. I've always liked the idea that the captain wears his captain coat

1181. as a cape,

1182. as if he's kind of forgotten how to wear it.

1183. Well, it just won't fit. He's become too large.

1184. The symbol you see on the elevator,

1185. that double ramp with the logo, it's kind of the Axiom symbol.

1186. And I feel like when it's on the carpet, if you turn it upside down,

1187. it looks very similar to the Mandalorian skull on Boba Fett's armor.

1188. I always kind of think about that, you know?

1189. No one else sees that?

1190. No, I missed that. I missed it.

1191. But you know the skull I'm referring to?

1192. Of course I do, Angus. - Okay. I'm just saying, like,

1193. - don't leave me out to dry here. I'm not.

1194. I'm just saying I didn't notice that.

1195. Just hang me out to dry. You're leaving me out to dry.

1196. - Are those the same things? Mandalorian.

1197. Mandalorian. - Mandalorian.

1198. I'm learning so much, you guys.

1199. Not, "Man, look, a DeLorean."

1200. - No. "Mandalorian." - "Mandalorian."

1201. One day this will all become useful information for me.

1202. I gotta say, I always thought of that scar

1203. through the eye, on the autopilot,

1204. that little line, it kind of has a feeling

1205. of the leader of the New Mutants, Cable.

1206. You're trying hard. - No, dude... Dude...

1207. Total Recall? - What? No, no, it's not that, it's not...

1208. - Two weeks? No, not those mutants.

1209. It's the only mutants... That was pretty good!

1210. Total Recall has mutants in it.

1211. Thank you.

1212. Cable was a late addition, man.

1213. Okay. I'm saying like the late '80s,

1214. number-wise, not year-wise. I think he...

1215. During The New Mutants, Rob Liefeld's run,

1216. I think technically Cable was the leader of the New Mutants.

1217. I don't know. I think the whole classic Byrne-Claremont-Austin era,

1218. that was rocking. Hellfire Club...

1219. No, I'm not making a judgment call

1220. about the golden era of the X-Men. I'm just saying, technically,

1221. that scar reminds me of the design of Cable.

1222. What line are you talking about through Auto?

1223. He's talking about the way the casing opens.

1224. The face splits.

1225. You know, the way the face splits.

1226. - Oh, not in the actual eye, though. - Not in the eye itself.

1227. No. You see that? It's like a scar through the eye, you know,

1228. - and it's kind of like the... You know, I got to say,

1229. it has always bothered me,

1230. the decision to make these holo-restraints, you know...

1231. The bands? - ... conform, yeah, the way they could...

1232. Why does that bother you? - It just... I don't buy it.

1233. - It's visually showing that... - Yeah, it's clear.

1234. I wanted them to be more rainbows,

1235. and it's holding it in the center.

1236. No, I just... I don't like their shape.

1237. You know, they're shaped like ribbon or cloth.

1238. Well, it's like a lightsaber ribbon.

1239. Do you think it should be more hard-edged or something?

1240. Yeah, I think it should be more geometric in some way.

1241. It's a projected energy field.

1242. Originally it was more circular.

1243. Actually I think one of the coolest containment things

1244. was in the original Superman, with those rings that are sort of...

1245. "Guilty! Guilty!" - Phantom Zone!

1246. That's double cool.

1247. No, that's not the Phantom Zone.

1248. - They go to the Phantom Zone. But that's double cool.

1249. - That's double cool. That's like calling court "jail."

1250. No, they're not the same thing. That's the courtroom.

1251. All right. Thank you.

1252. But you know what? If it reads clear,

1253. that's the important thing. Right? We're trying to make it, you know,

1254. make it clear.

1255. One day you will bow down before me, Angus, you and your heirs.

1256. Whatever, General Zod.

1257. I'm glad you guys are separated on the couch.

1258. I know. It's gonna get ugly. - It's getting heated.

1259. The book's red.

1260. Yeah, did you not know it was red?

1261. - Actually, no, I didn't. It's news to me. - Have you not seen this movie?

1262. It's that easy.

1263. Now, due to the effects of microgravity...

1264. If you'll notice, in the live-action portion of the Captain,

1265. he has four pockets on his chest, yet this jacket only has two pockets.

1266. What? - Yeah.

1267. In the commercial? In the commercial.

1268. - Again, that was... - The commercial is recorded...

1269. It's meant to be the same jacket.

1270. It's meant to be the same jacket.

1271. That is hundreds of years earlier.

1272. - That's meant to be the same jacket. - No, it isn't.

1273. You think that in the future they have two less...

1274. It's just because it's visually cluttery.

1275. I think that technically it's... You know, that's why there are only two.

1276. Could have been four.

1277. We could have done four.

1278. I'm not saying we couldn't have done it,

1279. just that we made the choice

1280. that no one was gonna notice.

1281. If you were better at your job, we could have...

1282. That's not what I'm saying.

1283. There's no way that robot could actually open a book.

1284. That doesn't make any sense.

1285. Why not? Totally got that manipulator.

1286. Yeah, but I don't think that there's enough room in there.

1287. This is nanotechnology.

1288. Is Auto partially nanotechnology?

1289. No.

1290. There's some pretty intricate machinery in there, though, right?

1291. No. Only 100 years from now, nanotechnology was not at the era.

1292. Oh, that's an awesome Vaselined lens idea,

1293. a total Star Trek kind of...

1294. Soft focus on the green Orion slave girl.

1295. That's the love lens?

1296. Yeah. Like the love lens. Like, "Who's Shatner into this week?"

1297. I don't think that comes from Star Trek...

1298. "Oh, there we go." - As much as everything else

1299. in your world comes from Star Trek,

1300. I don't think the Vaseline lens comes from Star Trek.

1301. Well, that's where we saw it, Lindsey.

1302. I think we would all agree

1303. it was perfected with Star Trek.

1304. When did the Vaseline lens start?

1305. All things begin with Star Trek?

1306. That's a good question.

1307. That's a good question, though. When...

1308. "Life began in 1968..."

1309. Everything I learned about Vaseline lenses,

1310. I learned from Star Trek.

1311. See, there's that scar I was telling you about.

1312. What's the name of the person on set

1313. who carries the jar of Vaseline

1314. for the camera? Is that a job?

1315. The grip? Which is ironic because, you know...

1316. If somebody's walking around the set

1317. carrying a jar of Vaseline,

1318. - I think that's probably a bad job. The Vaselinist.

1319. I don't think they can... You can't say "Vaseline." That's trademarked, right?

1320. It's "Petroleum Jellyist."

1321. Yep.

1322. I don't like how she's mad at him.

1323. Well, she's a very, you know, impetuous...

1324. She has a sense of duty. She has a sense of duty

1325. and a sense of, like, a job, and they're questioning her.

1326. Oh, I understand. It's like she works at Orange Julius.

1327. We've already established that she's short-tempered.

1328. EVE shows up, and he's like, "Hey, what's up, slick? I got to work."

1329. Apparently, according to you,

1330. he's not all that bright, so it's not...

1331. I didn't say he wasn't... I did say he was not that bright,

1332. but what I mean is, I don't think he has the intelligence to say,

1333. "She likes the way I'm saying her name.

1334. "I'm gonna say it that way all the time."

1335. That doesn't require much intelligence.

1336. He's not a player... If you juggle for a girl...

1337. and he's certainly no dog. - ... and she laughs, you juggle again.

1338. It doesn't require a lot of intelligence.

1339. So for the two people still listening to this commentary,

1340. we worked hard to get juggling into this film.

1341. So, Angus, I can't believe this whole scar observation

1342. 'cause I never saw it, and now...

1343. I never saw it as a scar at all.

1344. I never saw it as a scar, so I think you want it to be a scar.

1345. I got to say I suggested it

1346. - as an homage. Yeah, it's kind of like this...

1347. - In Bug's Life. Hopper.

1348. Hopper has a scar.

1349. There's a lot of characters who have scars, and...

1350. It's a classic bad guy thing. It's like he's been through it.

1351. This robot has seen it all.

1352. We didn't want Auto to be too Machiavellian, overtly bad guy,

1353. - although there was an idea... Indiana Jones has a scar.

1354. Yeah, that's true. But not through his eye.

1355. There was an idea early on

1356. that Auto might have a telescoping robotic moustache

1357. that he could twirl from time to time, but that got dropped.

1358. It got cut.

1359. That's funny. And that's also not true.

1360. It actually is true. No way!

1361. You left the story room. You missed a good year up there.

1362. Oh, here it comes. "You left us."

1363. You missed a good year.

1364. Earth, the surface of the world as distinct from the sky or sea.

1365. If anybody listening to this commentary hasn't figured it out yet,

1366. this is Sigourney Weaver.

1367. I'm starting to see why that third act

1368. - took so long to come together. - Yeah. Yeah.

1369. Everything was peachy-keen. Yeah.

1370. This is Sigourney Weaver's voice,

1371. - the voice of the Mother computer... Ripley. Ripley.

1372. so shame on you if you didn't recognize it already,

1373. and double shame on you if you don't know

1374. why Sigourney Weaver was sought after to do the voice.

1375. So far you've been shamed twice.

1376. That's a double shame.

1377. No, that's three shames, should you not know...

1378. I think attacking your audience is a really smart move.

1379. Sci-fi is based on attacking your audience.

1380. Have you not seen a picture recently?

1381. I'm feeling attacked.

1382. Aw. We're going into the repair ward,

1383. - which is pretty exciting stuff in there. It is exciting stuff.

1384. This was a very challenging sequence.

1385. Yeah, I'd say. Everybody... Restraining bolts.

1386. That's what the red thing is called, the restraining bolt.

1387. Everybody has their own... What is the purpose?

1388. story of woe when it comes to the restraining bolt.

1389. "Perhaps you'll learn your manners on the master's sail barge."

1390. Yeah, okay. Why don't you say it in Huttese?

1391. I don't know it in Huttese.

1392. Because it isn't said in Huttese, right?

1393. Well, if you know the language,

1394. like you appear to, you could probably translate it.

1395. Was it EV-909 said that? Right?

1396. I don't know.

1397. - Yeah. I think so. What?

1398. That kind of wiry robot. Little copper-colored...

1399. I've been disappointed by both of you at least ten times in this.

1400. Did you guys come up with acronyms and names

1401. - for all these reject robots that were... Yeah, somebody did.

1402. Andrew and Jim Reardon did.

1403. Oh, yeah?

1404. 'Cause I'm sure there's probably

1405. a lot of fun acronyms and hidden messages

1406. in some of the names.

1407. Oh, you are, are you? Well, like PR-T.

1408. - "Purdy"? - PR-T is the beautician-bot.

1409. I love this. And VAQ-M.

1410. V-Q-M, or something like that.

1411. It's the vacuum-bot.

1412. Acronyms are tough.

1413. It's true. Put that on a T-shirt. I love it.

1414. - "Acronyms are tough." - Oh, gosh.

1415. I did miss you, Derek. - It's been too long.

1416. It has been too long.

1417. I've never actually... The whole crash test dummy thing...

1418. You don't get it? - Well, now, when I understand

1419. what it is, I get it, but I have to tell you,

1420. you kind of need to know what you're looking at to know that

1421. - that's a crash test dummy. Yeah, there's a lot going on.

1422. WALL∙E's pretty strong to break through that glass.

1423. - He's strong and he has purpose. All it takes is inertia.

1424. Only slow-motion shot in the whole movie, I think, or two shots.

1425. What other one? - No, I think those were the two.

1426. There's two shots there. Oh. Right.

1427. So say goodbye to the slow motion.

1428. Let's take a moment. Let's take a moment.

1429. Well, you don't want to abuse slow motion.

1430. No, or Vaseline. Or lens flare.

1431. Lens flare is worth giving a nod to, though, because...

1432. 'Cause it doesn't get enough attention?

1433. No, it just has it's time and place.

1434. Lens flare definitely announces its arrival.

1435. Well, I mean, aren't there lens flares

1436. in a lot of those '70s sci-fi movies

1437. in the way you get those sort of bubbling lights and lens flare?

1438. Isn't that sort of purposely acknowledged

1439. in the camera work in this movie?

1440. I think this movie... Sure!

1441. has more flashing lights, moving buttons,

1442. - graphics... Color changes.

1443. than any Pixar movie, period.

1444. That's a fair statement. Want to see a shot that's...

1445. And it might even top most sci-fi films in general.

1446. We're not gonna share battle wounds here.

1447. I'm not saying battle wounds, I'm just saying it's an amazing shot.

1448. That one?

1449. No, the one of them coming around the corner.

1450. "Caution."

1451. You didn't count that POV. The steward?

1452. Yeah, the steward POV. So that's five now.

1453. Caution. Rogue robots.

1454. Caution. Rogue robots.

1455. WALL∙E!

1456. Yeah, the continuity of all these things was insane. It was fun.

1457. - All the lights and graphics. Why don't you talk a little bit

1458. about continuity for the uninitiated?

1459. Oh, because it's insanely boring.

1460. No, it's just, you know, making sure that when lights go on, they go on

1461. and they stay on. And when they're turned off, they're off.

1462. Because we do things out of sequence,

1463. you got to make sure that, every shot,

1464. - that there's continuity across the film. Right.

1465. Clear.

1466. I heard "continuity error."

1467. I for one... There were serious...

1468. "I noticed 17 continuity errors."

1469. "There were seven escape pods."

1470. People don't talk like that.

1471. - People don't really talk like that. We just did!

1472. Clearly, you don't know your people at the CON.

1473. Actually I have been to the CON, Lindsey.

1474. Been to the CON? You got a booth

1475. every year you've been to the CON!

1476. I have to say how proud I felt last year

1477. when Lindsey came to the COMICON for the first time.

1478. - And I am now a huge convert. - And she's a convert. She loves it.

1479. - I love the CON. - It's really, really great.

1480. - I've been on the CON tour. You were nervous about it,

1481. like a waterslide.

1482. It was much like a waterslide.

1483. "I don't know. It might be a little too intense."

1484. She was like... Look at all those graphics.

1485. - Those are great. - I mean, the way they... You know,

1486. - that's a lot of graphics. Yeah, but it looks great.

1487. - And it just never stops. - It looks great. It's worth the fight.

1488. - Everything moving all the time. - But this is the future.

1489. - That's what sci-fi is about. - This is the future.

1490. What do you think sci-fi is about, Lindsey?

1491. What do I think sci-fi is about?

1492. Yeah. Science fiction, what does it mean to you?

1493. Why? Why would you do this to me?

1494. Did you ever see a sci-fi movie before

1495. - you started working on this film? - Have I ever seen a sci-fi movie?

1496. Yes, of course I've seen a sci-fi movie.

1497. - The Star Wars, the Star Trek? - I've seen Star Wars. Yeah.

1498. I've never seen Star Trek.

1499. You sat in when we did some screenings, right?

1500. At least you say "Trek." I used to get so mad

1501. - when people say "Star Track." Say "Star Track"? Yeah.

1502. "Track"? Okay... Oh, man.

1503. In elementary school, those were fighting words.

1504. Also not calling them "life savers"

1505. was a difficult thing for kids.

1506. Lightsabers?

1507. Yeah, people call them "life savers."

1508. we're like, "No, it's a lightsaber."

1509. - Not "laser swords"? - No.

1510. That's what they're called in the original drafts.

1511. Laser sword. - It's no joke. Ask Ben.

1512. I believe you.

1513. Plant!

1514. I think George still calls them laser swords.

1515. Is it in the grail? What's it called?

1516. What?

1517. - The canon? - The canon.

1518. "The grail"!

1519. No, it's not in the canon. - It's not in the canon?

1520. Watch, just you wait.

1521. WALL∙E's gonna have canon pretty soon, you know.

1522. - When you get in this... That's implying

1523. that there's extra stuff that gets written about it.

1524. I know, but look at this. BURN∙E is canon.

1525. Totally. - BURN∙E is totally an example

1526. of canon. And for those of you listening

1527. who haven't met BURN∙E yet, he's a little robot who does a cameo later.

1528. And Angus is doing a short, expanding his world.

1529. I totally like the Jetson ring effect.

1530. Yeah, that's really nice.

1531. The Jetson ring effect? You do?

1532. Yeah, when she flies.

1533. Because that was like actually kind of a bone of contention.

1534. I know. I'm sure, but I... We're getting into a territory

1535. where there was a lot of debate and discussion about

1536. the scientific plausibility of A, a fire extinguisher in space,

1537. B, the concentric EVE rings, and then C...

1538. The survival of the plant in space.

1539. What are you talking about?

1540. Oh, the survival of the plant and the sound.

1541. - Oh, okay, you mean... Okay, wait. So scientists...

1542. There was a big call-out.

1543. What would a fire extinguisher do if you pressed the button in space?

1544. And some camps said that nothing would happen because there was no...

1545. Pressure? - ... pressure, atmosphere,

1546. but others said that the pressure was contained in the extinguisher...

1547. Yeah, it was pressurized. It's pressurized,

1548. so that once you pressed the button,

1549. you would have the crystallizing stuff, but...

1550. So to solve the argument, we went to space,

1551. which really blew the budget.

1552. No, I think they went to Messages and put a call out.

1553. Messages is the Pixar message board.

1554. They went to Loren Carpenter.

1555. Yeah, and you can always depend on

1556. someone to drop the real science.

1557. And this is an example of real science meeting science fantasy.

1558. Did you just say drop science?

1559. Drop the real science. Drop the real science.

1560. Yeah, yeah. Like drop the hammer.

1561. Or like drop the beat. Drop the needle. I don't know.

1562. Drop the needle on the record. DJ Thompson.

1563. Oh, no. Good Lord.

1564. - What? It stopped.

1565. Oh, okay.

1566. Should we go back just to get on that drop the needle tip?

1567. Let it roll. It's fine to roll on.

1568. - You can roll that. We're good.

1569. Sound in space, though, is an often debated hot spot for sci-fi fans.

1570. And 2001 is the only movie that really did it.

1571. It's canon. - That did it right...

1572. It's true.

1573. and as much as we love hearing

1574. the sounds of the spaceships and lasers in Star Wars and others.

1575. Oh, but it's the same thing in a spy movie of having a spy

1576. - that's drawing attention to himself. - Right.

1577. - It's part of the genre conventions. Or on martial arts films,

1578. you hear a lot more sound than you would actually hear

1579. if two people were using kung fu to...

1580. That's true. And they don't always flex their muscles.

1581. So you have a point.

1582. Sounds are exaggerated for cinematic effect.

1583. Well, it's also become part of the lexicon for everybody,

1584. - so it's what they're used to seeing. Right, right, right, right.

1585. - It would seem abnormal. - And for WALL∙E, even though there's,

1586. you know, I think a good deal of hard science...

1587. - Do you know what lexicon means? - Lexicons? Yeah, I...

1588. I think it's a little strange that WALL∙E can go so fast with the propulsion

1589. of the fire extinguisher.

1590. And how many fire extinguishers have you...

1591. I mean, how fast is he going there?

1592. Do you know how much juice is in a fire extinguisher?

1593. He's going as fast as that Bug's Life camera in that shot.

1594. - He must be going... But there's no friction in space.

1595. Bug's Life camera? - There's no friction.

1596. Right. But EVE goes fast.

1597. She's matching speed with him.

1598. So are you saying that he's accumulating speed?

1599. She could go way faster. He's the pace car in this scenario.

1600. He's accelerating, yeah. Is his speed accumulating

1601. - or accelerating? He's accelerating.

1602. He's the pace car in this scenario.

1603. It's always kind of struck me

1604. as a little strange that he could go that fast.

1605. If he did a squirt, then he would go

1606. at a constant motion, but he's doing a constant...

1607. Let me blow your mind.

1608. What if he hadn't gotten out of the pod?

1609. All right. Okay. Okay?

1610. It's constant motion and accelerated motion.

1611. He would have exploded. No movie.

1612. Okay? And it's a very poetic scene

1613. and I understand the creative decision behind it, but...

1614. Don't bring poetry back into it.

1615. Scientifically...

1616. No, it's a poetic moment. They have a dance together.

1617. It's a chance for WALL∙E and EVE to have a little bit

1618. of that love stuff.

1619. And the poetry and then pizza,

1620. - and that's the movie, right? - Poetry and pizza.

1621. - The contrast. - WALL∙E in a nutshell.

1622. Yeah.

1623. See, what's funny is he thinks

1624. you can grow pizza, which is kind of true.

1625. And it pays out later. 'Cause they grow pizza?

1626. No. He still thinks it later.

1627. - It's kind of a charming... - He can't let go.

1628. - He can't let go. - ... of the dream.

1629. - Okay. What's coming up here? - Yeah, okay. So, this is the...

1630. Coming up very shortly is the introduction of BURN∙E.

1631. What does BURN∙E stand for?

1632. It doesn't stand for anything.

1633. It stands for BURN∙E. I don't know. I haven't come up with an acronym yet.

1634. Oh, are you serious?

1635. Yeah, so here's BURN∙E. And so, they lock him out of the ship,

1636. thus making his life hell.

1637. Great gag by Kevin O'Brien, and now has spawned a feature,

1638. - a short feature film. Yeah? Thank you, Kevin.

1639. That water must have been tough to pull off.

1640. Yeah, it's beautiful. I like how safe it is

1641. that they put a speaker

1642. right next to the water, that if you touch it with the water,

1643. - it explodes. It explodes, yeah.

1644. Easily shorted. I, for one, don't buy that at all.

1645. I-4-1...

1646. I don't know if they did it, but I always imagined

1647. the stormtroopers talking, you know, in Star Wars,

1648. when they're, like, "Oh, have you seen the latest what-have-you?"

1649. I don't remember. What was that scene in...

1650. Yeah. When Obi-Wan is shutting down the deflector shield...

1651. Shutting down the thing, and they're talking about what-have-you.

1652. Yeah. Like, "Oh, have you seen

1653. "the latest issue of Starlog or whatever, and..."

1654. Ah, Starlog. I haven't seen an issue of Starlog in a long time.

1655. Oh, man, it's still going strong.

1656. Are you serious? Go over to the bookstore.

1657. It's there right now.

1658. What about Cinema Fantastique?

1659. - Is that one still around? No.

1660. I know Cinefex is. Cinefex is going strong.

1661. - Cinema Fantastique, no. But... - ANGUS: Starlog. I didn't know

1662. we were nerding out about fan publications.

1663. Oh, yeah. My grandmother brought me back the first Starlog...

1664. Look at this. I always thought this looked fake.

1665. from a bowling trip to Texas.

1666. Oh, wow. - You know the one, Kirk and Spock

1667. on the cover. It's just like...

1668. Had Starlog not decided to cover

1669. Kirk and Spock, maybe that wouldn't have put you...

1670. What do they call that when you get out of jail,

1671. and you decide not to go back

1672. to a life of crime, you go straight?

1673. Furlough? Is it a furlough? No.

1674. - Furlough's a vacation. No. I thought furlough was

1675. a unit of measure?

1676. I think a furlough is a military leave.

1677. Nice.

1678. We can go back home! For the first time! What's it like now?

1679. No, no, no. Don't tell me. I want to see for myself.

1680. So, when we were making this movie,

1681. there's a lot of characters in the film

1682. that are household objects that do things.

1683. And if you watch the elevator here, I always imagined that,

1684. that blue light is like an eye, like he's like a little cyclops,

1685. silently judging them and taking it in.

1686. - Did you ever think about that? Wow.

1687. What, you mean like in Pee-wee's Playhouse,

1688. where everything's alive?

1689. Is that your own little private cyclops?

1690. No, I mean, I always thought he was a character.

1691. He would kind of be watching,

1692. observing, silently judging, like the Watcher.

1693. I mean, isn't that Auto? What Auto...

1694. Like the Watcher, you know,

1695. and who's observing the Marvel Universe,

1696. not getting involved.

1697. The one who always ushers us into the Else...

1698. Yeah, yeah. You know, What If? stories.

1699. Yeah, what if Wolverine had decided to go shopping or something.

1700. Not get laced with Adamantium.

1701. There's a little bit of that in Childhood's End, too.

1702. Which I never bought... Childhood's End. Wow. Clarke.

1703. Yeah, that's really good.

1704. Those claws are solid Adamantium,

1705. to bring back Adamantium.

1706. Yeah, but they're sort of helping

1707. humanity, shepherding humanity to the next level

1708. of evolution or whatever.

1709. But that we remember them in the past.

1710. It's pretty...

1711. Do you think he has bone claws?

1712. Wait. What? What?

1713. Wolverine. Okay.

1714. Oh, we were talking about Arthur C. Clarke.

1715. Well, whatever, high and mighty. I'm saying the What If?

1716. You said what if Wolverine hadn't gotten laced with Adamantium?

1717. I'm saying that they did one thing where he lost

1718. his Adamantium, and Magneto pulled it out of his pores

1719. - or some crap. What?

1720. Anyway, in the end, he was stuck with bone claws.

1721. He doesn't have claws. Look at the elevator.

1722. Watching, silently judging.

1723. That's not where you're looking though.

1724. I know. It's a secondary read.

1725. All I'm saying is, you watch this movie more than once, like we have,

1726. and you start to notice little things.

1727. You start to imagine little things. Apparently.

1728. It's a bit of an imagining, I guess.

1729. Yeah, all that bone claw stuff,

1730. that's in the nether-Bermuda-Triangle period

1731. - of when I wasn't reading X-Men. Is that not considered canon

1732. - of the X-Men for you? No, it probably is canon.

1733. I mean, I don't know. There's so much out there.

1734. Spontaneous geek.

1735. What are you talking about now?

1736. Nothing. Nothing?

1737. These are the same towels we have in the gym here at work.

1738. But these days canon doesn't mean anything in the comic world

1739. because they just, like, start over, rewrite...

1740. Yeah, I don't think canon actually holds,

1741. except for Star Wars. Star Wars uses canon a lot,

1742. but I don't know if the other universes...

1743. So you're saying canon is for film franchises?

1744. Well, I don't know. I don't know, actually.

1745. 'Cause they have these multiplayer online games, right,

1746. within the Marvel Universe...

1747. It's like Batman. You got multiple futures for Batman.

1748. Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You got the Dark Knight future.

1749. Right. You've got Elseworlds. You've got alternate worlds.

1750. Yeah, which is real? They're all real now,

1751. so they're all existing simultaneously.

1752. We can acknowledge... There's M-O scrubbing.

1753. You did it. You did "there's." A "there's."

1754. You're right, I did. - He totally did it.

1755. I just want to highlight, he's watering a boot right now.

1756. But there's soil in the boot that he's watering.

1757. Soil? Soylent Green? Soylent Green, yeah.

1758. "Soylent Green is people."

1759. One of the many Charlton Heston films

1760. that we discussed in the story room.

1761. "Soylent Green is people!"

1762. Planet of the Apes, obviously,

1763. a great example of dystopian science fiction.

1764. She celebrated his entire body with...

1765. Soylent Green is pretty dystopian, too.

1766. What? - Soylent Green is pretty dystopian, too.

1767. - Oh, yeah. - In fact, he sort of made a...

1768. - He did a lot. Omega Man is dystopian. There's a string there.

1769. It doesn't get much more dystopian.

1770. Yeah, yeah. Omega Man is dystopian.

1771. There's the Auto point of view.

1772. Again, the elevator watches on, judging.

1773. You're looking for cyclopses in the background

1774. when there's a cyclops in the foreground.

1775. Look. He's watching. He's watching. He's the linchpin

1776. of the entire organization. He's the Keyser Söze.

1777. Everyone's working for him. Nobody knows.

1778. What? This is ridiculous. Wow.

1779. Yeah.

1780. You really have seen this movie a lot, Angus.

1781. Let it go. Every time I hear the autopilot talk,

1782. all I can think of is Stephen Hawking.

1783. Yeah. Well, now, did Ben generate

1784. the Auto voice, typing into the Mac voice?

1785. Isn't it a synthetically fabricated voice?

1786. I don't think there's a voice actor for Auto.

1787. I think so.

1788. And that's how Stephen Hawking talks.

1789. I know. The intention was that it would be a manufactured voice

1790. as opposed to a performance, which does the appropriate work

1791. of detaching him and he represents automation.

1792. Stephen Hawking is totally another sci-fi reference, too.

1793. - That's good anyway, right? Well, yeah.

1794. He was in a Star Trek episode.

1795. Was he really? Oh, you're right.

1796. The Next Generation Holodeck episode.

1797. What was the title of that episode?

1798. Oh, boy.

1799. Oh, I don't know. Oh, my God.

1800. Look at Fred Willard's emergency stuff. I wanted to...

1801. I always hoped that the walls would get torn away,

1802. and there would be storms and stuff, but that probably...

1803. Like Twister? - ... would have been expensive.

1804. That would have been too much.

1805. Yeah, it would have been too much.

1806. So what happened to them? Are there other ships out there

1807. - and they're all dead? The thinking was

1808. that there were other ships that weren't so lucky.

1809. I see. And that maybe

1810. there are some other ships that survived.

1811. Oh, there's the A-113 again.

1812. - But, yeah, I think... So maybe they'll find them

1813. - and bring them home. But I think...

1814. Just like the lost tribes of man.

1815. Yeah. "Many years before our time..."

1816. That's a great voice. What's that accent?

1817. "Some believe..." What's that actor's name?

1818. - Is that John Colicos? - Oh, no, no, no, the guy...

1819. He did Baltar, but...

1820. No, there's a guy who narrates in the beginning,

1821. has great voice power. Shame on us for not having that.

1822. "That even now there are brothers of man..."

1823. There's some amusing elements to the Battlestar Galactica.

1824. "Amusing." You sound like a Star Trek villain.

1825. - I know. I know. - "You amuse me, Mr. Kirk."

1826. I'm gonna start monologue-ing any minute.

1827. You didn't correct me on his rank.

1828. I'm embarrassed.

1829. I didn't hear what you said. What?

1830. Nothing.

1831. - I said Mr. Kirk. Well, he's a mister.

1832. Yeah, he is, to the ladies.

1833. He was a civilian. He's a captain to you.

1834. He's a captain.

1835. You know, that's kind of missing...

1836. Or an admiral. - Do you think our captain...

1837. Yeah, but he never liked the admiral clothes.

1838. Captain, admiral, captain again. Yeah.

1839. - Yeah, he got demoted. He got demoted.

1840. - Before he got... Your first, best destiny.

1841. You know, I think Spock says something about

1842. how it was a mistake for him to have taken the promotion.

1843. Yes. He did say that. - You know, he wants to be close...

1844. Kirk wants to be close to the street.

1845. Kind of like the captain here.

1846. Kirk is so street.

1847. No, think about it.

1848. The captain here, the captain is living the life.

1849. He's in charge of everything. All of a sudden he realized

1850. what he really wants to do is save humanity

1851. and actually pilot the starshlp, instead of just being this figurehead.

1852. Totally. - Just like Admiral Kirk.

1853. You guys, seriously? This is ridiculous.

1854. There you go, right there.

1855. Yeah. - No?

1856. He saved the whales when he was an admiral though.

1857. He did. But he was... - He was breaking rules.

1858. He was breaking the rules. Therefore, you could argue

1859. that he had given up his command.

1860. I suppose.

1861. I mean, he relinquished his rank at that point

1862. and he was a rogue agent of the Federation.

1863. That plant's in pretty good shape. It's been through a lot.

1864. We have a series of various levels of it not being watered.

1865. Right, right.

1866. And it survived the few seconds in space, too.

1867. Oh, that was an argument.

1868. Yeah, that was an argument, but it...

1869. "Wouldn't the plant destroy..." You want to take

1870. the most beautiful scene in the movie and not have it

1871. because the plant would die.

1872. Yes. So, okay, WALL∙E is...

1873. But wait a minute. Wait a minute. The plant is inside WALL∙E, right?

1874. Right. And she grabs it with her containment field the second...

1875. Instantly, yes. So it's all good.

1876. - It's pressurized. - Totally okay.

1877. I don't buy it.

1878. So, are you saying in her capture ray

1879. there is an agent that simultaneously puts air back into that bubble?

1880. - It needs air. It's like a stasis field.

1881. I agree with it being a stasis field. However, I cannot agree with it...

1882. If it's completely encapsulated in a stasis field,

1883. - nothing can happen to it. But there's no...

1884. Maybe EVE has some oxygen-generating

1885. - technology... It's like the Slaver Weapon.

1886. Okay. Okay. because she's built

1887. to get specimens in harsh places and save them.

1888. So maybe in an effort to rescue the specimen,

1889. once her chest is closed, it oxygenates enough for survival.

1890. No, you're right. It would do that.

1891. I stand corrected. No, you're right.

1892. It would want to oxygenate.

1893. Oh, those were the little mice, the little computer mice

1894. that were chewing on EVE. Everybody loved those.

1895. It's true.

1896. WALL∙E!

1897. Activating airlock disposal.

1898. So this is sort of meant to demonstrate

1899. how they deal with trash on the Axiom.

1900. And there's these giant WALL∙As, which are sort of gargantuan-scale

1901. WALL∙E compactors.

1902. Originally there were three of them,

1903. and one of them watched daytime TV.

1904. - Remember that? What?

1905. I'm serious, there was one that was watching...

1906. Oh, was that when there was the taskmaster guy down there?

1907. Yeah, a guy watching daytime TV,

1908. and he was watching his soaps

1909. and just doing his job.

1910. Wow, this movie's come so far.

1911. Wow, I'd never remember that.

1912. And everything else I've said...

1913. But the whole system with the flattens and the cubes...

1914. But there was the nice moment when they recognized WALL∙E

1915. as a brethren machine.

1916. That's still there. That's still there, I think, in the sound.

1917. Oh, it's not there anymore. Is it not there?

1918. No. They petted him, remember? That's not in there anymore?

1919. No, there's no time now.

1920. I don't think it's there anymore.

1921. That's too bad. It's not there anymore.

1922. I forgot, we actually animated that. We used to show them...

1923. Well, that's because it used to be EVE that got zapped,

1924. and her whole heart mechanism got ripped up

1925. because we built all that and shaded it.

1926. That's true, that's the secret to our films.

1927. We always change it, and rework it.

1928. Keep reworking it.

1929. Make it twice, get it right the second time.

1930. And it was WALL∙E that was doing the surgery on her.

1931. And if you watch the trailer,

1932. you'll see a different version of this shot,

1933. - which is not in the movie. Yeah.

1934. I kind of like that scene where he was doing

1935. - the surgery on her. There was tons of great stuff

1936. that didn't make the final cut, but that's just the thing, you know.

1937. You have to... It's hard.

1938. If it doesn't work, even if it's pretty,

1939. shouldn't be in the movie.

1940. Right. But know, as you listen

1941. to this, there's tons of great material you're not seeing.

1942. "Know as you listen to this,

1943. "there is tons of great material..." Listen to you.

1944. That's awesome. You sound like the narrator. You should narrate.

1945. I'd love to have a Derek Thompson narration of this.

1946. "Even now, as you watch this..."

1947. Here's the scene where she's holding a chip.

1948. - "... in an alternate universe..." She's looking for something.

1949. Yeah, but according to quantum mechanics...

1950. Do I really sound like that?

1951. Yes, that's what you sound like.

1952. - It's great. I love it. - Is that what I sound like?

1953. But according to quantum mechanics, every version of the movie

1954. that could have been made, did get made.

1955. Does exist. Did get made.

1956. So, in another universe,

1957. we're sitting on a couch, talking about the scene

1958. that we left out where WALL∙E was the one...

1959. I think in this universe...

1960. Yes. And that audio commentary is

1961. twice as entertaining as this one, therefore...

1962. In that universe, we get to wear those sashes with the little knives.

1963. And we've all got goatees. - And we've all got goatees.

1964. - Like your brother. - Totally.

1965. - Your twin brother. - That's right.

1966. There you go.

1967. What's that episode? "Mirror, Mirror"?

1968. "Mirror, Mirror." - That's a good one.

1969. That's when I knew I was really a Star Trek fan.

1970. When you knew the name of the...

1971. Do you know, I think Kirk fights

1972. himself at least three times in the first season.

1973. I think there's three different episodes

1974. - where there's two Kirks. How do you know that?

1975. And he's either fighting himself or interacting with himself.

1976. I thought you said we weren't going to talk about Kirk.

1977. I can't resist.

1978. He's the only match for himself.

1979. When I hear these dialogues, these people discussing and arguing

1980. over which captain is the best, I can't believe it's even a debate.

1981. Just in the first season? We talked about Kirk again.

1982. - I'm blaming you for that. It's fine. Let it roll.

1983. Kirk's all right.

1984. Okay. Fine. Let it roll. - Just let it roll.

1985. Let it ride. That's how Angus rolls.

1986. That's how we roll.

1987. That is a ridiculous amount of knowledge on a ridiculous subject.

1988. It's a ridiculous amount of knowledge on every subject.

1989. That is true. That's true.

1990. Here, I have a lighter

1991. I've been keeping in my chest for the whole film.

1992. That was a huge thing.

1993. - It was a huge thing. That was a huge deal.

1994. Do we buy that he's had that thing in his chest the whole time?

1995. Absolutely. Why not?

1996. You've established that he's a collector.

1997. Well, I'm just saying... It was supposed to be an indicator

1998. - of his love, his time with her... Exactly. Exactly.

1999. - ... because she found it interesting. I have an argument

2000. about that shot, the laser bolt. Is this an explosive bolt that fires

2001. towards the hole and then explodes?

2002. Well, there's a little bit of an inconsistency

2003. with her bolts and blast.

2004. It's like a blaster. - I think that she's...

2005. - You see a bolt from a blaster. - ... sophisticated enough

2006. with machinery to adjust the power of her blast

2007. based on what she wants to...

2008. Mid-flight? Yeah...

2009. Sure. There's a scene later

2010. where she shoots the TV monitor, right?

2011. Yeah, but... - If she's shooting with that power

2012. in an elevator...

2013. I'm not debating the power, Derek.

2014. All I'm saying is, when the bullet leaves the gun, that at some point

2015. from being a projectile, it then becomes an explosive force.

2016. Right. - Without an impact. I think it would

2017. have to hit the side of that thing and then explode.

2018. I mean, almost all good shooting video games from the '80s

2019. would have power-ups for laser bolts and bullets.

2020. So you're saying she got a power-up

2021. - right in the middle of the shot? Well, she's spirited.

2022. Like she shoots the gun, she gets right through

2023. a mushroom or something, and then boom.

2024. You know what? Her power-up is her motivation

2025. to get WALL∙E to safety. Look at that. Look at this thing.

2026. "Her power-up is to get WALL∙E to safety"?

2027. It's her emotional motivation. It's a ticking clock.

2028. She's got to save WALL∙E.

2029. You remind me of that one episode

2030. of Buck Rogers when Jack Palance

2031. played the cult leader...

2032. Don't ever say that I remind you

2033. of an episode of Buck Rogers 'cause that's pretty creepy, man.

2034. No, Jack Palance plays a cult leader.

2035. - And he's a very, very... I can't remember anything

2036. - but Wilma Deering. Was that Erin Gray?

2037. Anyway, this is the episode with Buster Crabbe in his ship.

2038. That was pretty cool. What about Twiki?

2039. Twiki and Mel Blanc, the final Twiki.

2040. And let's not forget about Dr. Theophilis.

2041. Look, between Twiki and that Daggit on Galactica...

2042. You know, I saw the real... There was a chimpanzee in there.

2043. - Do you know that? Really?

2044. Yeah. At the Sci-Fi Museum.

2045. Oh, I thought it was actually a robotic dog in real life.

2046. Of course, it was a chimpanzee. It looked like a chimpanzee

2047. - in a robotic dog suit. They could have gotten

2048. a midget or something. But at the Sci-Fi Museum

2049. in Seattle, you can actually see the Daggit suit,

2050. and they've got the TV Guide article which has photos

2051. - of the chimp in the suit. Nice.

2052. Originally, when he put the wires together,

2053. there was gonna be a whole series of things

2054. that happened. He was going to try different wires.

2055. Oh, right. So you were going to see some of them...

2056. And one of them, originally, was the impetus for BURN∙E,

2057. where he was gonna try a wire and that opened up the door

2058. outside the ship, and BURN∙E could try and go in.

2059. And then he decided, "No, not that wire, the other one."

2060. - And then it shut right in his face. She used her blaster again,

2061. but it didn't detonate the same way.

2062. I'm saying that maybe she lost

2063. - the power-up 'cause she got killed. What are you talking about?

2064. There's no power-up.

2065. See, that's the second time he uses the...

2066. The holo-thing? The holo-stick?

2067. That's right. The plant.

2068. Apparently the autopilot's depth perception is terrible.

2069. It's not good, yeah. Well, he's looking at it through a...

2070. It's a hologram. It doesn't have any depth.

2071. A holo-what? - It's a holo-screen. It's a flat-screen.

2072. It doesn't have three dimensions. Just 'cause it pops up in space,

2073. it doesn't appear to have any...

2074. You're right, and he does have

2075. monocular vision. Therefore, he would not have depth perception.

2076. I mean, it's not like the hologram of Princess Leia that R2 shows.

2077. - I mean, that's, you know, complete. It's pretty 2-D.

2078. - No, it's in 3-D. - And it's breaking up.

2079. I thought it was 2-D. What about the game

2080. that Chewbacca and R2 are playing? Those were 3-D.

2081. Yeah, those are three-dimensional holograms.

2082. They're dimensional. That's flat. - What's that called?

2083. The game? The actual holo-game?

2084. I don't think they give it a name.

2085. No, they have a name for it. Well, of course.

2086. Dejarik. You don't know the Dejarik chess set?

2087. They made up a name for everything.

2088. Okay. Well, it still has a name.

2089. Oh my, I can't believe that. Not canon.

2090. Oh, that chess set has to be canon.

2091. So if it's not mentioned in this film, it's not canon?

2092. - And by "canon," you mean... If it's not given...

2093. - ... of the universe we are to accept. - They gave things names later.

2094. It's like you don't hear the name of most of those characters.

2095. Even Star Wars was named A New Hope later.

2096. They never say Ewok, but we all know it's Ewok

2097. because of the merchandising at the time.

2098. - So is that not canon? That's a good question.

2099. If it's created at the time, although mentioned...

2100. They never said Bossk, even though he was the first action figure.

2101. It's a good question. And with Star Wars, who knows,

2102. because they are constantly re-editing and re-shifting the universe.

2103. Yeah, it's a very shaky foundation.

2104. Whereas in Star Trek,

2105. there's three-dimensional chess, they call it three-dimensional chess,

2106. they play it in front of you, and you're done.

2107. It's not even three-dimensional chess.

2108. And they even have rules.

2109. Two of the animators got a Star Trek chess set,

2110. learned the rules and were playing it

2111. the entire thing. I couldn't believe it.

2112. Wow. Is it a fun game? - No, it's boring as hell,

2113. but they were committed to playing it and they learned it

2114. and they earned our respect.

2115. So that's not a dimensional hologram.

2116. - That's a holo-screen on the... That's like an LCD screen.

2117. - Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's just flat.

2118. A projection screen.

2119. So it's not HD. I don't think.

2120. I mean, it's far enough in the future where we have to be

2121. getting somewhere...

2122. And I think they went back to it.

2123. sophisticated... - Well, they don't have guardrails

2124. or anything. They don't have any safety precautions.

2125. Maybe they went back to...

2126. They didn't plan on anything going wrong.

2127. I mean, the B & I Corporation is behind all this,

2128. so there has to be some mistakes in them.

2129. Well, there's some cost cutting, certainly.

2130. Well, yeah, and it's clearly demonstrated

2131. by how haywire everything goes.

2132. No! No, no, no!

2133. I gotcha!

2134. Here's some physics for you.

2135. John, get ready to have some kids!

2136. See, she says, "Get ready to have some kids."

2137. She's strong.

2138. But she actually means grab them.

2139. She does, but it's a joke. - She grabs some kids.

2140. We had to ADR that.

2141. Okay. That's a safety hazard, right there.

2142. It is. Wow, man.

2143. And this, this is a total Superman moment.

2144. She's...

2145. It is. - ... stopping the helicopter.

2146. All in the design. It's all there.

2147. Yeah, we intended that.

2148. It was intentional.

2149. I think this is not a very safe design.

2150. There should be a guardrail around that.

2151. Things can get crushed under there way too easily.

2152. A small child could get destroyed.

2153. You think there's a lot of pennies and coins and things in that?

2154. Yeah, inside the holo-detector.

2155. Well, I don't think the holo-detector has been activated.

2156. It's never been activated. - So they haven't had a chance

2157. - to discover the safety problems. But there's a seam...

2158. I don't think they had inspectors

2159. check that out. That's all I'm saying.

2160. So this is a famous sci-fi movie cue coming up.

2161. Moon-Watcher. - What? No.

2162. - Moon-Watcher. - Moon-Watcher? What do you mean?

2163. - 2001. - They don't call it Moon-Watcher.

2164. Is that what it's called? The ape.

2165. It's called Zarathustra.

2166. Thus Spoke Zarathustra or whatever.

2167. Look at that. This is a big, important cinematic moment.

2168. Right here. Here it is. - Wow.

2169. - The wink, the nod. Moon-Watcher is the ape

2170. - in 2001 who... Oh, wow.

2171. - That ape has a name? Yeah.

2172. Wow, Bill, you're good. In what canon?

2173. In the book. - Oh.

2174. Oh, reading. Read the book.

2175. Books, yes. They don't do books.

2176. No, I do books,

2177. - I just hadn't read that one. I just don't get through a...

2178. - Moon-Watcher. - A Moon-Watcher a night, that's all.

2179. It's kind of amazing when you think about it

2180. because it's better without knowing his name.

2181. I mean, if I had known his name was Moon-Watcher...

2182. It's kind of a cheesy name actually.

2183. It would kind of take me out of my caveman talking to monolith...

2184. You would, yeah. You'd be, "Oh. Moon-Watcher..."

2185. All of a sudden it goes into a hippie realm that's not really fitting.

2186. I like that the button is conveniently placed near the ceiling.

2187. You're not supposed to have to touch it.

2188. You're not supposed to know it's there.

2189. You're not supposed to need it.

2190. That's again where we're cheating.

2191. You don't want to accidentally turn off the autopilot.

2192. Yeah. If you're not there

2193. - and it accidentally turns off... There's M-O.

2194. That's not M-O. That's M-O. There's M-O.

2195. See, we referenced for this by putting everyone on a skateboard

2196. and then this is what they did.

2197. Those that weren't familiar with it.

2198. We have to imagine

2199. they haven't stood on their own feet forever.

2200. Ever. Really.

2201. These are generations later on the Axiom.

2202. So none of these Axiom...

2203. And yet we're supposed to believe that they can?

2204. No, but it's like in The Matrix, when they say,

2205. "Oh, why do your eyes hurt? Oh, because you haven't used them,"

2206. and that kind of thing.

2207. Movies are about make-believe, Bill,

2208. and I think you gotta... Hopefully, the willing suspension of disbelief is...

2209. And if we haven't ruined that by now.

2210. Let's not fight. Let's not fight.

2211. Apparently, we're all from Michigan.

2212. Angus doesn't mind blowing holes in the fantasy.

2213. What did he say? "Oh, EVE can't really fold up like that."

2214. You guys are all blowing holes.

2215. I'm just letting everyone know,

2216. there's no way her head is that shape.

2217. I am the romantic in the group,

2218. and telling you what I think is actually the reasoning behind it.

2219. About hyperspeed?

2220. I'm romantic about this warp effect.

2221. That's what I'm romantic about.

2222. Whoa!

2223. It's kind of space art.

2224. It's kind of a Francis Bacon-y kind of thing there.

2225. I like it though.

2226. - I like the whole after-image. I like Francis Bacon.

2227. There's been a lot of efforts to do,

2228. between warp drive and hyperspeed and all of those hyperjumps

2229. in the various science fictions.

2230. What's the name of that dog-thing again

2231. you were talking about?

2232. Oh, the Hachiko dog in Kyoto, Japan.

2233. So, at the end of the story,

2234. does he see a giant laser and chase after it?

2235. No, no, I think he just...

2236. Just dies. No, just dies of starvation.

2237. Actually, I'm not sure. You gotta look that one up, but...

2238. Now, do we still see the roach go into the landing pad?

2239. No, that... No, that's an old gag.

2240. That was a great... I loved that one.

2241. I thought that was pretty, too. I know. It was a good gag.

2242. It was a great way to finish off the indestructible...

2243. But it kind of took away the tension.

2244. Right. Well, we're sort of

2245. in emotional crisis...

2246. Yeah. We got to get to WALL∙E.

2247. ticking clock. We got to get to WALL∙E.

2248. So, sadly, one of our favorite cockroach jokes died,

2249. and that would have been right here. The cockroach was gonna

2250. get landed on by the Axiom.

2251. And he climbs in there and gets...

2252. And he survives. Yes. 'Cause, get it?

2253. He's indestructible 'cause he's a cockroach.

2254. It's funny. Set up, set up, set up, payoff.

2255. It's a running gag, and that means funny.

2256. That's pretty.

2257. It kind of looks like The Wreck of the Zephyr there.

2258. The Wreck of the Zephyr?

2259. The wreck of the what? A book. Van Allsburg.

2260. Maybe you heard of it. It's a picture book, my speed.

2261. I have. It's a picture book.

2262. So we're not sure how sensitive their skin would be

2263. to this atmosphere and environment.

2264. We're not sure, slash, we never thought about it,

2265. slash, don't care, slash, it's too late to change.

2266. Slash. You know what?

2267. The sandstorms are gonna kill them long before the...

2268. Yeah, like you're worried about it.

2269. How would the whole thing...

2270. Dude, I'm just saying the sandstorms

2271. - would take them out. Hey, you know, they've got

2272. a gigantic shelter to protect them, Lindsey, the Axiom.

2273. It's true.

2274. At the speed those things come up?

2275. You're saying... They're in the Axiom.

2276. They are totally taken care of all the time. All of a sudden,

2277. you drop them in Burning Man without their requisite water per day.

2278. Hey, was that a lawn gnome? It's a lawn gnome.

2279. There was a lawn gnome in there.

2280. Yeah. - I don't think I saw that before.

2281. See, here, this is what I'm talking about.

2282. Like, so if WALL∙E's soul is in that circuit board that got destroyed...

2283. It's right behind the circuit board.

2284. Like connects to that. Yeah. You're asking

2285. - the wrong question because it's... But you know what?

2286. - The soul is not... So he's getting a new soul?

2287. No, no, it's a soul enhancer.

2288. The soul is not a tangible thing.

2289. It's like the soul... No, no, no, no.

2290. That's like the Cerebro helmet. That's not actually Cerebro.

2291. - It's just how you access Cerebro. That's what I asked you earlier.

2292. Is there a single part which houses his soul?

2293. Yeah, I think it's right behind his chest.

2294. It's in there somewhere. - Below the buttons.

2295. And it didn't get replaced.

2296. It's right below the hi-fi buttons.

2297. Whatever it is, it didn't get replaced.

2298. No, it was fine.

2299. No, that's the whole thing, is that it gets replaced here

2300. and then it reboots him, If you will, and he become soulless.

2301. Hey, when someone tases you, you don't lose your soul.

2302. And then, her touch actually ignites that intangible soul.

2303. WALL∙E has essentially transformed

2304. her own electromagnetic energy

2305. and it comes back to him and resuscitates him, in a way.

2306. It's like the love brings him back.

2307. What? The spark thing you mean?

2308. A little bit. That's a little bit of a sprinkle on the...

2309. It's the hand hold. No, the hand hold...

2310. But there's the spark and there's also...

2311. But that doesn't do anything.

2312. No, but she's sings the bars of the song.

2313. The song, but it's really the hand hold is what kicks it in. It is.

2314. Is that like amnesia?

2315. Yes. - What amnesia patients need

2316. - is an old light bulb... Because we went

2317. back and forth on this. Do you know how many times this got cut?

2318. This was like, do you extend it, do you not extend it,

2319. do you cut this part out? They added the humming at the very end.

2320. And do you know what the beauty is?

2321. It's that the audience can determine

2322. - for themselves what it was that did it. That's true.

2323. And it's not explicitly stated.

2324. I'm just saying all, the whole movie it's been the hand hold.

2325. They've never held hands.

2326. It's been about the hand hold, yes.

2327. And the cockroach doesn't know he's broken

2328. because he still got run over,

2329. so their abusive relationship is still intact.

2330. I just think the cockroach is like the third wheel here.

2331. Yeah, he's totally like, "Bro!"

2332. He's totally Scent of a Woman.

2333. It's like the roommate. It's like, "What are you guys doing?

2334. "Did he kiss her? Did he kiss you? What?"

2335. "Are you guys gonna get some pizza?

2336. "I was gonna get some pizza, too."

2337. "What are you guys gonna do now? Wanna go to the Axiom?"

2338. No, we had an argument about that.

2339. When the cockroach crawls on her at the end,

2340. we were like, you've got to get him out of there. They're gonna kiss.

2341. Seriously, it's disturbing.

2342. Andrew, you got to get him out. And there was a compromise

2343. - when he's gonna... It's not sexy. Out!

2344. He'll be in the apartment, but the door will be closed...

2345. It's so wrong. - ... while they're making out

2346. - on the couch. It's so wrong.

2347. - Look, this part right here. No, this is right.

2348. This is good stuff right here.

2349. No, he's still getting serial right now.

2350. He's gonna come out in his skivvies in a second.

2351. It's about to become completely inappropriate in a minute.

2352. Watch carefully. - Okay. The kiss? Nothing.

2353. There's a sensitive moment. No, first she sings the bars,

2354. hums the bars.

2355. Which is sweet. I like that addition.

2356. I love that. Again, I'd like to reiterate.

2357. - You're ruining the emotional moment. They've already seen it.

2358. - The spark, nothing, nothing. No, but the combination,

2359. - song, spark, and then... Wait. She's holding on.

2360. She'd been holding the hand before the spark.

2361. He can't let go. - Get this. You've got to put

2362. the jumper cables on the engine. But when you start the car,

2363. - that's when the car, you know... All right.

2364. It's a combination.

2365. But you got to make sure

2366. you do it in the right order. Otherwise, it's a...

2367. It's a harmonious combination of things.

2368. And then you want to remove it in exactly the same order

2369. - you applied it. It's possible, is all I'm saying.

2370. If you hook a battery to a battery, I mean...

2371. Okay. Now we have to talk about the romantic part.

2372. Yeah, but when you start the...

2373. We're not talking about a car battery.

2374. Let's talk about romance. Go, Lindsey.

2375. It's why I'm here, people.

2376. Science and romance. Let's go.

2377. Oh, you're back. You're back. Yeah.

2378. "What? But I got what I wanted

2379. "and I was asleep. I totally missed it!"

2380. Oh, cut to someone's still enjoying Hello, Dolly!

2381. Wait, where's the cockroach?

2382. Here he is. He comes in.

2383. Here he comes. Totally inappropriate.

2384. Yeah. And so this is where we're like, "We gotta get him off,

2385. "we gotta get him off." I think he winds up on the shoulder

2386. - or something. See, M-O knows better.

2387. M-O's like, "Get out!" - "Give them a moment."

2388. Cockroach is like, "Do you guys want to go back to the Axiom?

2389. "What do you want to do now?"

2390. "Hey, hey, guys, what's up?"

2391. That's really, it's touching,

2392. and we have hope for humanity here. This is...

2393. Yeah, 'cause, you know... This is hope.

2394. If you look carefully, right there, you can see BURN∙E hopping along.

2395. That's actually a pretty charming little detail.

2396. But we get the montage at the end to sort of give us the reminder

2397. that humanity's going to be okay.

2398. But you know what's not okay?

2399. That roof. They got to repair that thing.

2400. All our pullouts seem to be the same speed.

2401. She shot a hole in it. Thanks a lot.

2402. - You came to my camper and... This is Bug's Life pullout speed.

2403. - Here we are. What does that mean,

2404. Bug's Life pullout speed?

2405. It means you could set Bug's Life 2

2406. - in the future and it would totally work. Yeah. Bug's Life 2 takes place

2407. - right in that little clump there. That's awesome.

2408. - I think we just solved it. John! John!

2409. Wasn't there gonna be a bit with

2410. Buzz or Woody waking up in the trash pile

2411. and being all alone at the end of the movie?

2412. No. - Yes.

2413. I never heard that.

2414. Toy Story 4. It would have been great.

2415. How many of your statements end with

2416. "That would have been awesome"?

2417. No, not many.

2418. We actually have a fine jar for the word "awesome"

2419. - in the story room. The fact that this is cave art,

2420. - is that saying that we've devolved? No.

2421. It's actually the evolution of art that shows the kind of evolution

2422. - of humanity again. Yeah, it's like this is

2423. - Lascaux, France. Yeah, we start back.

2424. We started primitive. We recorded what happened.

2425. The Egyptians. - It gets embellished.

2426. And then there's the whole Bangles reference there.

2427. Then we get advanced again.

2428. Oh, my gosh.

2429. Oh, she dug a well. I just noticed that.

2430. Yeah, just like Superman, you know, right through the...

2431. He's planting seeds. Agriculture.

2432. Planting seeds, the agricultural bot.

2433. Is that Etruscan? It's a little haphazard.

2434. Vase art, yeah. You need to keep

2435. - those things in a row. Etruscan vase art.

2436. Very good.

2437. Mosaic. - This is mosaic from what period?

2438. Roman. - Roman mosaics. Is that what it is?

2439. Sure.

2440. I think it's actually Arts and Crafts movement. Byzantine.

2441. No, it's... There's Crush.

2442. The fish are back in the sea.

2443. There's Crush.

2444. That's Crush. "Hey, dude, everything's okay."

2445. Nemo. Hello, Nemo. Right.

2446. - "It's not too late to turn back the tide." And it's also showing

2447. how man and machine are working together.

2448. Now we're going into the High Renaissance.

2449. And this is sort of Japanese... No, no, Leonardo.

2450. Leonardo. Oh, it's a sketch, right.

2451. Well, we were very careful not to look like we were repeating

2452. our same mistakes again. You know what I mean?

2453. - That we weren't... We didn't go into Rococo.

2454. - We just went right from Renaissance. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

2455. - There's a certain point at which we... The Mannerists.

2456. We got rid of the Mannerists.

2457. Whoa, Angus.

2458. If it were up to me, we would have probably gotten rid

2459. of some of the modern Cubist stuff.

2460. The Nude Descending a Staircase?

2461. No, that's fine. But I think that when you get into people

2462. that just directly influenced without adding anything...

2463. I like the Seurat here...

2464. See, there's the Axiom back there.

2465. The Seurat, which, of course, is a reference

2466. to Ferris Bueller's Day Off, when they're in Museum of Art

2467. and they see the little girl in the Seurat painting.

2468. It's a John Hughes movie, Lindsey.

2469. I know that movie.

2470. There you go. I mentioned a John Hughes picture.

2471. Thank God. We have not gone this entire time without mentioning

2472. - John Hughes. You know what's great

2473. is that Cameron Frye identifies with that little girl lost in the painting,

2474. wanting to know what he's doing in that painting.

2475. He connects, 'cause he doesn't have a love interest.

2476. His love interest is that painting.

2477. Well, he's the cockroach in this whole scenario.

2478. Definitely Cameron Frye is the cockroach.

2479. Yes. Wow.

2480. 'Cause what would happen... Seriously, if he didn't go over there

2481. to roust him out of bed... No, he didn't roust him out of bed.

2482. He made them come through passive aggressive. Right?

2483. Yeah. - But that's 'cause

2484. he's passive-aggressive.

2485. None of this would have happened.

2486. Everything nice happens to, you know, Ferris Bueller.

2487. Isn't there a Peter Gabriel song happening now, also connecting

2488. to a John Hughes movie?

2489. No, that's Cameron Crowe, dude.

2490. Say Anything...?

2491. Say Anything... is Cameron Crowe.

2492. Oh, that's right. It is Cameron Crowe.

2493. Oh, my bad. Sorry. Sorry, Cameron.

2494. How do you... Oh, my gosh. Oh, whoa.

2495. That's like confusing Star Wars and Star Trek.

2496. The sensitive relationship films.

2497. Oh, dear.

2498. And there's a little, you know, nod to the 8-bit. Yeah.

2499. The game famous for if you fell in a hole, you couldn't get out,

2500. and then the game is over. You have to turn it off.

2501. And I'll have to take your word for that.

2502. Never played it? - Never played that.

2503. It's cute though. It's charming. The 8-bit thing.

2504. Did you play with 8-bit games as a younger person?

2505. My parents would never buy us video games.

2506. I never had Atari or Nintendo or anything.

2507. But they have arcades, you know.

2508. I played Centipede. I was a mean Centipede player.

2509. - That's kind of a girl's game. So you were a trackball...

2510. Trackball.

2511. Centipede is such a perfect button-masher.

2512. All you got to do is use your right hand to go...

2513. And the left hand is like...

2514. Are you just trying to tell me I had no skill?

2515. No, no, no. No, when you see Billy Mitchell

2516. or you see a trackball game, like you see Mr. Awesome,

2517. Roy Shildt, on that. He rocks the Missile Command.

2518. It's not recognized by Twin Galaxies, but it is...

2519. He does have the highest Missile Command score.

2520. Are you actually quoting that movie that I had to see twice?

2521. King of Kong? I'm not quoting that movie.

2522. Not King of Kong, the other one.

2523. I'm merely saying that Roy Shildt is...

2524. What's that movie called? Chasing Ghosts.

2525. There you go. Thank you.

2526. Was Tempest a trackball game or was it a...

2527. No. I could totally out-nerd you

2528. - right now if I wanted to. I want to hear it. Bring it.

2529. - Bring your out-nerdery. Me, too.

2530. Commodore 64. Oh, yeah.

2531. See, these are sprites. Okay?

2532. - So, my brother had a Commodore 64. I had a Commodore VIC-20.

2533. I wanted to do a thing of the Enterprise from Star Trek, rotating.

2534. So I had to like draw sprites of it in the different orientations

2535. and then repeat them to get like this little rote

2536. - so it would like fly out, rotate... Wow.

2537. - ... and then fly back. - How did you do the Jefferies tubes?

2538. - No, it's not that detailed. - Oh, okay.

2539. Wow. Wow. But I could have.

2540. Did you have a shuttlecraft? No.

2541. How about the deflector dish? Did you have a deflector dish?

2542. It was, like, 16 pixels.

2543. I thought the Jefferies tubes were those tubes in the back?

2544. That's not what the Jefferies tubes are?

2545. No, no, no. Those are the pylons.

2546. - Those are the nacelle pylons. The nacelle pylon.

2547. That what the thing is on the back with the...

2548. - So where's the engines? The engines, yeah.

2549. - Those are the warp nacelles. I always thought those were

2550. - the Jefferies tubes. I guess not. No, no.

2551. Do the Jefferies tubes hold the dilithium crystals or is that...

2552. No, Jefferies tube is inside the ship.

2553. No, that's how you get up there.

2554. - Yeah, you climb up there. Yes, yes, yes. Correct.

2555. My engineering knowledge of the Enterprise is a little...

2556. Well, you would never make it in engineering.

2557. You clearly would be in security, I think.

2558. I would not be a... Yeah, but you didn't know it was

2559. called the nacelle.

2560. I knew it was called the nacelle.

2561. - I just forgot. Oh, right.

2562. You need to go get a life.

2563. I have a life. The life is apparently

2564. - remembering crap like this. No, you need to go...

2565. No, you guys apparently do have a life

2566. and it's fantastic. I have nothing.

2567. It's a subcultured life. You have a meeting about

2568. - a science fiction movie to go to? - I do.

2569. - Oh, yeah, you do. That's pretty funny. Yeah, we get paid to do this.

2570. I know. It's amazing.

2571. I'm telling you, you're a convert,

2572. - Lindsey. You've changed. - You've changed me.

2573. You've changed. It's good. WALL∙E is gonna change people

2574. when they see it, and I think it's great to know that the people who worked

2575. - on WALL∙E... What? It's gonna turn them

2576. into nerds?

2577. Well, no, or compel them to...

2578. I think it's going to create a whole generation of nerds.

2579. Yeah, it might. And maybe a thing like it's like the I Am Legend,

2580. where it's all of a sudden you...

2581. Do you mean The Omega Man?

2582. No, no... Well, whatever. It's just the idea that everyone...

2583. The book is I Am Legend. - Okay, fine, the book. I'm just saying

2584. maybe everyone is a nerd, and the non-nerds are trying to find

2585. a cure for the nerdery.

2586. And then he finds out... - He finds out he is the outsider.

2587. - Yes. - You know, it's like he realizes nerdery

2588. is everywhere.

2589. "I'm not gonna let this happen."

2590. The five kids out there that don't like robots,

2591. this movie is gonna fix that.

2592. How can you not like robots?

2593. They're motioning for us to wrap it up.

2594. I think the movie is ending here. So what we should do is,

2595. we should go out, grab a coffee,

2596. and then come back, because we are gonna definitely have to

2597. re-do this whole thing.

2598. I can't do that. Well, I'm gonna do my part,

2599. and then I'll do your part as you.

2600. Okay. Yeah, you're easy to do.

2601. All I gotta do is take a little bit of me...

2602. All right, then why did you invite me in the first place?

2603. Well, I wanted to get your tone, and learn your timbre,

2604. and then your sensibilities. And combine that

2605. into a nice audio commentary package that no one will be listening to.

2606. I think we should go.

2607. I think we're gone. All right folks. Goodbye.

2608. Okay. Thank you.