The Death and Resurrection Show (2013)

1. People near the coast should evacuate immediately, houses are collapsing

2. Israel may bomb Iran.

3. If I were Iran I would be trying to get nuclear weapons.

4. America was the first nation ever, to use nuclear weapons.

5. 600 people are now confirmed dead,

6. they died because they listened to the Governor.

7. Who will help us already? We can not do anything!

8. Does the dollar get destroyed or is every currency going to get destroyed?

9. A series of demonstrations against corporate greed

10. Move! Keep moving please! Get out of the way!

11. Civilians can be stopped on the street with very little actual suspicious cause

12. Do we fear China or do we need China?

13. Because the extra low frequency waves

14. drill deep into your brain.

15. The sun has a temper tantrum.

16. But it doesn't end there, if there were an electromagnetic problem

17. it could be the end of life as we know it.

18. It is obvious why the world is so stressed and humanity suffers as it does.

19. And humanity suffers so much.

20. If you look at what's circled in the centre you can see a smiley face.

21. Do we care? Do we have a moral compass anymore?

22. I visualised Killing Joke

23. before Killing Joke actually happened.

24. There was a stage.

25. An anonymous band emitting sounds of a primeval world;

26. it was like a generator,

27. and there was no applause, there was only dispersal,

28. the musicians were like insects.

29. LONDON

30. I was standing in the dole queue about to sign on

31. and there was this Indian guy in front of me, and he went'Hi, my name's Carlos."

32. and I said “Oh, my name's Jaz, I've come to London to form a band?

33. And he goes “I know, and I'm going to introduce you to the drummer who lives in my house."

34. I was already playing with a band,

35. I met Jaz and invited him to join the group.

36. But we both took off just before a concert.

37. Which I'll eternally feel bad about

38. but you know; needs must when the devil pees in your kettle.

39. The second I set eyes on Paul's face,

40. we both knew that destiny had struck us,

41. It was kind of...

42. mutual repulsion.

43. We sort of discussed, well how are we going to meet

44. two other guys who not only have a revolutionary style of playing,

45. but they also have a right side of brain capacity

46. sufficiently developed

47. to understand philosophy and broader ideas?

48. Paul said

49. "Magick".

50. At that time I didn't know, that Paul knew

51. anything about Magick.

52. He had extensive knowledge about the ceremonial Magick,

53. and the Rosicrucians, the system of the Golden Dawn.

54. He had a very good understanding of the Kabbalah, the mystery traditions

55. and the secret history of the world.

56. By then, I had already studied Wicca

57. and ceremonial Magick.

58. When I discovered that he had followed the same path as me,

59. "that was it"

60. Our mutual interest in all things occult and spiritual

61. made us think we could do something musically

62. that channeled what we were exploring.

63. On the 26th February, three o'clock, 1979

64. Paul and I performed the ritual of dedication

65. to find the other two.

66. We painted the floor black,

67. and drew the circle and the Pentagram,

68. aligning it with the cardinal points, as one should do

69. We did a banishing ritual, stated our intentions,

70. did an invocation ritual

71. It was somewhat amateurish and basic stuff

72. but, apparently, it apparently turned out to be quite powerful

73. Unknowingly, we invoke the fire and er...

74. the flat burnt down!

75. The flat got burnt down because they got their navigational compass points wrong.

76. They had not yet perfected their art at the time

77. "Have you heard? They've burned your flat!"

78. WANT TO BE PART OF THE KILLING JOKE

79. BASS AND GUITARIST WANTED

80. I'm not quite sure how they found Geordie. I think it was through

81. A Melody Maker ad, and I was found through a Melody Maker ad.

82. Geordie showed up. He had long, curly, ginger hair

83. and a Northern attitude.

84. This sort of, Teddy, yob, lout type character.

85. You have to take into consideration what he said on the phone to us;

86. “I've never played with a band but I'm the best in the world”.

87. And when I asked him “Well where have you been playing?"

88. he went “In my bedroom at my Mum's place",

89. It did not sound very good.

90. When he plugged in, and he started playing,

91. it was like fire from heaven...

92. I knew it, I knew the sound,

93. it was a complete sense of déjà vu, it was incredibly emotional,

94. and I was so, so excited.

95. He came over to my bedsit in Earl's Court and he said

96. "You'll have to come up to Cheltenham where the singer lives, do an audition."

97. Tempted him down there under the sort of premise of free food and lodging.

98. So we ended up all up in Cheltenham at Jaz's Mum's place and Mr. C too, god rest his soul

99. and booked the first rehearsal.

100. Do you know I'd really love to know the date?

101. You know it was just Jaz bashing around on this electric piano

102. and he had this sort of beret, a feather, he was a bit of a hippy really.

103. He denies this fervently, but he had a feather earring

104. and I just thought that was really weird.

105. The Youth in his swastika t-shirt and his fucking chain doing the full Sid routine.

106. It was just sort of, ”Oh, oh it's him"!

107. I was the most really experienced in the real world,

108. because I'd done tours with other bands and I'd done proper gigs

109. and they'd never played outside their bloody youth club basically.

110. I think he was trying to avoid something

111. something or trying to find somewhere to live or something like that you know?

112. And he was just there.

113. We played a bit and Jaz and Paul commented:

114. “Let's go to the pub and talk about this.”

115. I don't think they were very impressed.

116. Youth couldn't play he fucking choked.

117. “Come on, Jesus Christ, you've got to . . ."and we just

118. ended up fucking finding one note and fucking staying on it.

119. And it went on for ages and got more and more intense

120. Jaz and Paul walked in on it.

121. We'd had enough to drink and it was like, "Well, shall we?"

122. Perhaps the beer had worked it's magic but,

123. it wasn't the same room that we'd left.

124. Paul just went straight for the kit and started playing,

125. and then Jaz just started playing and that became

126. "Are You Receiving", our first single.

127. I considered that point the birth of the band, that was it.

128. When the chemistry comes together, when the planets collide, you know?

129. It ain't a fucking set up this shit

130. Shrewdly I think we spent almost a year rehearsing in Cheltenham before

131. we unleashed ourselves.

132. I think within seventeen gigs

133. we were headlining at the Lyceum.

134. Needless to say, these two great souls that manifested

135. were Geordie and Youth. The Magick had worked.

136. "Pssyche", this was a John Peel session, in November

137. 1979.

138. That was a few years ago!

139. John Peel said: "This is a good band."

140. He thought it was a professional band having him on

141. He said: "I have never had a band as good as this."

142. It was for "Turn To Red".

143. Killing Joke are good. Good punk. Not commercial.

144. A lot of bands nowadays have gone crap commercial.

145. We'd come through all these punk bands who were really good to go and see live,

146. but they couldn't play for fuck. Bands like Eater and...

147. The Clash were around,

148. but were just a pretend rock 'n' roll band dressed up as punks,

149. and The Sex Pistols had almost disintegrated by then.

150. But then Killing Joke, it wasn't just screaming and shouting

151. and... They could actually really play.

152. We like rhythm, you know . . .?

153. Rhythm, you understand?

154. Because it makes me feel... Rhythm makes me feel like I'm a human being,

155. like I'm an animal, you understand?

156. I saw them for the first time in 1981, I was 16 years old...

157. No other group has made me feel the same.

158. It was like an electric shock going through me.

159. When I actually saw them play it was incredible.

160. You could cut the atmosphere with a knife it was really... And it was a real tribal thing,

161. they were giving out to the audience, the audience were giving back...

162. and it had this air of menace to it which you know,

163. I love that in music: menace and danger.

164. I know they're terms that are used a lot in music

165. but believe me it was really there.

166. Jaz would come on in full make-up

167. and you didn't know whether to laugh or to be totally afraid

168. because he kind of looked like the Devil...

169. but it was slightly perverse and a bit strange and almost silly.

170. Nothing like that scares me I'm from Salford; who gives a fuck about the Devil?

171. He wasn't comfortable being the singer, he didn't want to be,

172. he wanted to be the keyboard player and we had arguments about it.

173. I had a voice, but, playing the drums and being the singer, it looks really bad

174. it was never going to go anywhere!

175. So he is the reluctant frontman of the band.

176. You have a sort of, very mixed image I think, certainly in the band,

177. from your sort of Alvin Lee rocker type hairstyle

178. to this Sid Vicious twisted hair, how does that arise?

179. Well it's always been like this,

180. we don't consider ourselves to be anything other than individuals.

181. We have our own personal likes and dislikes,

182. and out of this somehow

183. we coalesce into something called Killing Joke.

184. Paul never seemed to be thrashing away you know, he wasn't Keith Moon or...

185. It was just quite controlled but, huge power.

186. If he looked at me I thought he'd... hit me you know

187. He had me on the edge of my pants, I had to keep up with him

188. and, not make him look silly. He made me into a good player.

189. You're certainly more on the, the art, sort of University circuit...

190. No that's rubbish,

191. there's nut-cases at our gigs,

192. Why?

193. They're the only sort of honest people, you know, they haven't got any pretense about them you know?

194. I just thought, this is what music should be,

195. it's just like being hit in the face by a train.

196. When I joined I was the one who wasn't really into the occult and the Magick

197. I was a really arrogant, conceited, young punk,

198. who thought he knew everything?

199. And suddenly I was totally flung

200. into this hermetic, occult, mystical world

201. of possibilities and realities, of which I'd never been aware of before

202. and I did blow a few fuses.

203. When they first came in they were a cocky bunch of guys, really.

204. They'd come in as a pack

205. and then after a while I found out that they were this band called Killing Joke,

206. which meant nothing to me at the time.

207. I heard a bit of their music and it fitted.

208. Looking at the times that I grew up,

209. the hippy dream had started to get a bit nasty,

210. people started dropping acid, went to various gurus

211. and Eastern philosophy and everything;

212. It was all starting to eat itself, with the Manson stuff...

213. And I think that's sort of culturally

214. when people started looking at mysticism,

215. and perhaps Aleister Crowley and all that sort of thing,

216. for their, you know, new experience of the enlightenment

217. that hippiedom had promised them.

218. Prepare to enter a world

219. stranger than you have ever imagined:

220. The world of witchcraft, Magick and ritual.

221. It was very much a time for throwing away the rules,

222. you were considered terribly staid and unnecessarily stupid

223. if you did it the way round that people have been doing it for a hundred years, four hundred years, whatever.

224. And so you just launched yourself into

225. whatever particular ritual you wanted to do at the time,

226. and you were prepared to take the consequences

227. because all men think that they're going to live fast and die young and what the hell.

228. We call to the Earth.

229. We call to the sky.

230. Mother father.

231. We were shamanistic, generally speaking,

232. and devotional, which was Geordie and myself predominantly.

233. We would celebrate the moons to get,

234. our actions aligned with

235. the seasons of mother nature.

236. Paul was actually the ceremonial one.

237. I grew up listening to Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin.

238. What you going to do, what's that all about?

239. There's no doubt about the fact that your overall beliefs,

240. no matter what they are, are going to underlie what you're doing.

241. I do not know collectively, but as far as Jaz goes

242. I know that mysticism played a very important role to him.

243. Within the music, he's either playing with Magick

244. or Magick's playing with him.

245. What was apparent about him was that he was a doer, he's an experimenter,

246. he doesn't just accept what he's told.

247. We used to take the car and go to the Rollright Stones in Oxford.

248. Sometimes at very important dates, you know, like Solstice.

249. I was even starting to be scared to be perhaps sacrificed,

250. and I was keeping a very low profile, disappearing into the forest or something!

251. And let them do their ritual in the middle of the circle.

252. We would use drum and mantra.

253. I would take my ocarinas

254. and I would move in a clockwise direction

255. in a spiral dance around the stone circle

256. We became adept at raising energy at these grid

257. points, we became really, really good,

258. we could activate these grid points

259. There was so much symbolism and so many things I thought:

260. oh my God, perhaps I'm going to die!

261. And of course this technique was sort of employed

262. within raising the energy live on stage.

263. And eventually the two became one,

264. the gigs became

265. ceremonies.

266. And then we did it on a grid point,

267. by accident,

268. and time was transcended.

269. Reading Hexagon. Mad fucking gig, and suddenly...

270. about five songs in...

271. it's gone silent, totally fucking silent.

272. You just heard this, “khhhhhhhh”.

273. And before this it was just screaming madness.

274. Everything seemed to move in slow motion.

275. And I'd be looking at Geordie

276. Everything was slowing down.

277. I'm playing the fucking guitar... What the fuck? I can't hear anything.

278. And I'm witnessing this body playing,

279. I'm getting scared, so I look over to Jaz,

280. and he's on the keyboard, and he's doing exactly the same;

281. “what the fuck's going on?"

282. I had no idea what was going on.

283. Total silence.

284. Total. Fucking. Silence

285. I'd look at the audience and they're all like, “Woah? What's going on?"

286. It became an out of body experience.

287. We're very fucking clever aren't we? We did this man,

288. we fucking got it to this stage:

289. God walks through the fucking room.

290. And then suddenly; Whoosh

291. BANG! Back into super-reality of the place going insane.

292. Could have been thirty seconds, could have been forty seconds,

293. but it was paradise for fucking forty seconds

294. It was the most incredible experience

295. and we experienced it collectively...

296. and everybody shit themselves.

297. The other thing in the early days with Killing Joke was the...

298. the actual Killing Joke as a unit.

299. The minute the four of them got together,

300. it was a complete personality change.

301. This wasn't Paul Ferguson, this wasn't Jaz Coleman,

302. this was Killing Joke,

303. and that's when the aggro over the artwork would start.

304. It was just chalk and cheese, they'd want something I'd want something else,

305. and I'd do something and we'd fight and whoever got the last word...

306. I mean I totally fucked up the sleeve to 'What's THIS For . . .!' on purpose.

307. Paul Ferguson said "Oh we want that for the album,

308. that's going to be brilliant."

309. I said “Well I haven't finished doing what I was doing with it."

310. I just got really angry,

311. and threw some films together and said you go on and fucking print that then you bastards.

312. WHAT'S THIS FOR . . .! IS THE WALKING, TALKING, INCARNATION OF EVIL

313. Sounds gave it five stars for music, and one star for morals!

314. And I've never seen that before or since.

315. The guy was freaked out, and he felt obliged to put a warning in,

316. that it could corrode you spiritually!

317. Killing Joke is best explained in your emotions;

318. in the eyes, in the mouth, in the emotions you see?

319. See, we try to be human beings in Killing Joke that's all.

320. Killing Joke were not a polite band,

321. they really don't say things just to please you I mean... They were really raw.

322. Hammersmith Palais, February 23, 1982.

323. A French television team was there so it was really organised.

324. I'd been doing the interview before, I was trying to talk about occultism,

325. but Jaz said: "I do not know what you mean."

326. They had these huge studio TV cameras in the middle of the dance floor,

327. and the whole thing collapsed with the weight of the fans.

328. I remember being terrified because I was down the front,

329. and I remember just bodies falling and bodies flying around me,

330. the bouncers trying to pull people out

331. and shouting “Stop playing! Stop playing!”

332. And I remember Jaz looking at this chaos at the front

333. and just went “Wardance!” and then they went straight into 'Wardance'!

334. And it was just like a scene from

335. Dante's Inferno down the front and they weren't going to stop playing!

336. I think he was really pleased to be filmed that day.

337. It was going to be shown on French television on a Saturday,

338. so twenty million people are going to see Killing Joke.

339. Western civilisation, I give it, twenty months

340. and it'll be gone, all gone; bang!

341. SINGER VANISHES

342. SINGER (?),

343. KEYBOARD WIZARD, AND ALL ROUND POISON DWARF

344. JAZ HAS GONE AWOL... PRESUMED DISTURBED.

345. Jaz had a Wobbler, he basically thought that the end was nigh.

346. He went on one of his birthdays I even made him a cake and he disappeared.

347. JAZ VANISHES

348. We were standing outside a television studio, we were supposed to go on

349. and this sort of letter showed up, you know,

350. saying "599 Ya!"

351. “Where is Jaz Coleman?”

352. And they phoned me up and I wouldn't tell them.

353. JAZ... IS ALIVE... AND WELL...

354. LIVING IN ICELAND

355. Punk star goes nuts runs off to Iceland; great story.

356. We learned that he had fled to Iceland.

357. And did anyone give a fuck...?

358. No.

359. I fled myself a couple of times, never made it to Iceland but I made it to the Isle of Wight once,

360. realised what a shithole it was and came home.

361. "Fuck You!"

362. JAZ IS STILL REFUSING TO EXPLAIN WHY HE LEFT THE BAND IN THE LURCH

363. HIS RESPONSE WAS A CURT "FUCK OFF"

364. And that was when I left the band, or when the band left me!

365. Because first 3217. went, and then Geordie

366. I was sitting in my flat, and I felt something behind me.

367. But I didn't turn round, I deliberately ignored it.

368. That thing that I felt was actually Geordie leaving,

369. It was Geordie out the front door, because we lived together.

370. Silently and stealthily, like a snake,

371. They took off without leaving me a note.

372. And with Jaz I was particularly upset

373. because I had to read about it in the bloody NME.

374. I'd known these guys four or five years,

375. gone through some serious rights of passage with them

376. and they can't even give me the time of day.

377. Well I don't know what happened in Iceland

378. because I had to go out and work in the Middle East,

379. I was skint because I didn't get any money out of Killing Joke or Malicious Damage!

380. I'm not sure that it went very well for them over there.

381. ICELAND

382. Jaz told me that he had read and article

383. about what would be the safest place in the world if there was a nuclear war...

384. and in that article it said the north east of Iceland.

385. Another thing was that he was the reincarnation of Aleister Crowley.

386. I think he was the third or the fourth one that I've met.

387. There is a sentence in the Book of the Law which says “Choose ye an island and fortify it!"

388. and things like that.

389. “Island" is written the same way that we write “Iceland” in Icelandic,

390. that was also a connecting point,

391. I think he sincerely believed that.

392. The thing about the Book of the Law is that Crowley channelled it in 1904

393. and he spent the rest of his life trying to decode it.

394. Because of its complexity, it is open to interpretation.

395. I mean at one time I had a moated site in Sussex

396. and I thought that was the island!

397. It's your application to your, you know, your Magickal destiny.

398. I found many references,

399. Prophetic references,

400. describing a better way of life,

401. an island that survives the great upheaval.

402. The interesting thing was;

403. all the references I discovered,

404. were nearly all by Rosicrucian authors.

405. At the centre of the Golden Dawn system of Magick

406. lies the invocation of the holy guardian angel;

407. an ecstatic mystical process

408. that fascinated the chiefs and leading members of the Golden Dawn.

409. Individuation, in Jungian terms,

410. is about tapping into the unconscious.

411. Each of us has a dark double,

412. an adversary that we must face.

413. And until we know this double

414. we do not know ourselves.

415. So I decided to go through this process.

416. Apart from Geordie, no one was really aware of my intentions,

417. I couldn't honestly imagine sitting down

418. with the band and management

419. explaining why I wanted to study a range of different subjects, from Nordic mythology

420. to the study of radiations that emanate from certain holy sites,

421. let alone the location of my holy guardian angel.

422. So, I made plans in secret and left for Iceland,

423. and then, I began the process of individuation

424. at Snaefellsjökull Glacier.

425. This is special!

426. There are many people who believe

427. that there is some special power in the glacier...

428. I believe that also, there's some power up there I can feel it myself.

429. It's an energy spot.

430. The energy is intense, is not good or bad, is pure energy.

431. It amplifies whatever is there

432. so if you're an evil person you'll be a more evil person if your standing there

433. and if you're good, you'll be even better.

434. I remember we went to the glacier.

435. It was the right night, the right moon...

436. We were walking for two or three hours,

437. when we get up to the snow...

438. It suddenly got warmer and misty-er,

439. it was like we were welcomed you know, the mountain was in control.

440. They were very happy to be there, and they started dancing...

441. Jaz was not walking anymore and it was beyond fucking doubt

442. he was levitating, he was about two foot off the ground,

443. quite fucking surreal.

444. It is a strange place.

445. The elements change, the vibrations change,

446. your physical body disappears or appears.

447. The energy of that fucking place was. ..

448. I wouldn't say intense it was just fucking freedom,

449. absolute fucking freedom.

450. There was a rumour from Iceland that they were messing

451. around with a weird sound machine that vibrated...

452. Brian reckons that they rang him up and tried

453. to do something to him over the phone once.

454. The theory of the walls of Jericho.

455. And you can actually do deep enough sound

456. sound and it will shake walls and bring down buildings

457. but you know, that's just fucking weird rumours.

458. I took part in something called Oracle Project.

459. A certain number of geomancers who got together.

460. Experiments were conducted on human behaviour

461. by means of resonance,

462. this was done with a gentleman called Gutti Ottarsson,

463. open-minded inventor, who also happened to be a musician.

464. Jaz joins forces with the Icelandic band 'Theyr'

465. Theyr and Jaz are planning to work on a concept called (you guessed it) "Iceland"

466. The Band Iceland-Niceland, Jaz Coleman and Theyr

467. it was a very intense, small group of people.

468. We wanted our music to break through your defense mechanism;

469. we went to great lengths to encode messages

470. into the structure of our music in very subtle ways.

471. One element that was very dominant

472. in the music of Theyr and Killing Joke

473. was the strange intervals we used.

474. We were not using minors or majors,

475. we were doing diabolic intervals,

476. very dissonant,

477. but if you put all the dissonance and the demons together,

478. they turn into angels.

479. Very simple,

480. but it breaks all the rules;

481. that was Jaz Coleman.

482. Break all the rules,

483. collect all the demons

484. from music, throughout five thousand years

485. and put them together in one song.

486. Gutti was interested in developing a prototype

487. to create mood changes within the perimeter of a concert,

488. however my interests lied firmly in researching the Earth's pulse rate

489. of 7.83Hz

490. which I considered would be more prevalent in sacred sites.

491. I could see a correlation between healing in such areas

492. by gradually adjusting the Earth's pulse rate by chant, mantra,

493. in order to accomplish quantum healing.

494. And so, I embarked upon a series of experiments

495. with two of my colleagues at the Oracle Project.

496. Sarah Parkinson...

497. was a student of the occult,

498. and I met her in Cheltenham when I was eighteen.

499. And then there was Vivan Ottisdottir,

500. Gutti's sister.

501. I see the Earth rising a second time,

502. out of the foam, fair and green.

503. Down from the fells, fish to capture,

504. wings to eagle, waters flow.

505. We repeated these four lines over and over again,

506. until we entered another dimension.

507. We called it "Universe B".

508. I see the Earth rising a second time,

509. out of the foam, fair and green.

510. Down from the fells, fish to capture,

511. wings to eagle, waters flow.

512. The experiences

513. were of such intensity

514. that past and future seemed to be transcended;

515. we would not actually be in our own bodies.

516. There were many strange incidences

517. during this series of experiments,

518. one of which was when Vivan

519. was struck by lightning.

520. We were in the kitchen,

521. the window was wide open

522. and I just witnessed this huge lightning...

523. and this screaming from Vivan, hysterical screaming.

524. I turned back to Vivan and Jaz and shejust...

525. Yes, she was

526. freaked out.

527. He showed me her hand

528. and it was all swollen and red,

529. Yes. No...

530. How can someone survive from being hit by lightning?

531. My sister got struck by lightning two times

532. in Jaz Coleman's company.

533. The second time was more dramatic.

534. Lightning striking all over the place, thunder and rain,

535. Magick was in the air, Aleister Crowley and books

536. everybody was crazy.

537. She was soaking wet, standing out on the balcony

538. confronting Jaz Coleman on personal matters.

539. She was so lucky, she was protected, she was soaking wet

540. so the millions of volts of

541. energy just slid around her

542. wet, smooth body, to the ground.

543. She was unharmed, not even knocked out

544. So our dear Mr Coleman really

545. recognized my sister as a divine being.

546. Iceland was a series of experiments,

547. a period of such exquisite beauty

548. that I've spent the last twenty seven years

549. trying to access

550. the dimensions that I visited.

551. It's an emotive subject,

552. not least for the fact that Sarah and Vivan are both dead.

553. I did meet Sarah and Vivan later on

554. and I noticed a curious parallel.

555. After meeting Vivan in Geneva

556. she confided in me that the rituals we performed

557. were one of the most beautiful experiences of her life.

558. And Sarah, she admitted much the same.

559. I was left with the feeling that both Sarah and Vivan,

560. had little interest in the mundane concerns of the world around them shortly

561. before their respective deaths.

562. It was almost as if they personified a profound nostalgia

563. for a vaguely sensed lost paradise,

564. both possessing the single urge;

565. to abandon their earthly existence for their true home.

566. Time to sit back once again and enjoy the sounds of Killing Joke

567. By the time Iceland came along I'd had

568. a breakdown because I'd been taking quite a lot of LSD.

569. I started to get very paranoid, see conspiracies everywhere,

570. and I even broke into the Grand

571. Lodge of the Masons of the Masons in Covent Garden

572. We went through a few weeks of trying to find a replacement,

573. it was just pointless, you know, I mean...

574. And how . . .?

575. For what purpose?

576. SO WHAT? TWO FUCKING BASTARDS LEFT!

577. FUCK OFF!

578. I do remember they were on Top of the Pops, well, he wasn't on Top of the Pops,

579. it was a man with a motorbike helmet on playing the keyboards.

580. I was going to say because they did that when Jaz was just like this dummy, as in it wasn't a person it was just a dummy.

581. Yes

582. Well I wasn't even that pissed off, I mean to be honest, I was sad,

583. because Jaz had had a few other kamikaze moves on the band,

584. Just when the band was going to fucking break Jaz would do something

585. to make sure it wouldn't happen.

586. You know, one minute you're riding the crest of the wave and the next minute, you know, your boat's sunk.

587. Everything was open for them,

588. when Jaz disappeared

589. they have to cancel so many important events,

590. the business never forgave that.

591. TRUST KILLING JOKE TO MAKE AN IGNOBLE FUSS OVER LOST PERSONNEL.

592. Think they were under a lot of pressure from the record company to start touring

593. because the record had recently been out

594. out and it was very important for them to start catching up.

595. REVELATIONS? TOO TRUE! AND THAT'S JUST THE START.

596. ARROGANCE AND INCOMPREHENSIBLE ANGER

597. IT'S THE SOUND OF AN ANNIHILATING EFFICIENCY

598. WITH A SHEEN OF GRATUITOUS NOISE MAKING.

599. I got this phone call from a friend who was in contact with Jaz and Geordie

600. and asked me if I was willing to meet them, in a week

601. I was in London.

602. They lacked a drummer, they called Paul Ferguson and asked him to come

603. This must have been six months after they left or something

604. in the meantime I'd lost... everything

605. And trying to get this project, called Brilliant

606. going with Youth,

607. and I just got a telephone call saying “Would you consider, you know, coming back.

608. I went out there and felt...

609. felt like, a bit of an outsider in a way,

610. I felt that we hadn't really done what we'd set out to do.

611. They told me that Paul was willing to join the band

612. but he would decide which bass player he would play with.

613. Told Youth,"I'm not doing this Brilliant thing with you anymore, I'm going off to Wales"

614. And it was Raven.

615. I didn't speak to Youth again for quite a few years.

616. BRILLIANT. THAT'S WHAT FRIENDS ARE FOR...

617. I just took the flight back to Iceland.

618. people watching tonight may not have heard of, never mind seen, the next band.

619. That hasn't stopped them building up a fanatical following and notching

620. up four chart albums,

621. here's a chance to find out what you've been missing, here we have

622. Killing Joke!

623. This is called "Frenzy".

624. When I met Raven was with a girl from my home town.

625. He said, "This is Paul, wants to play in Killing Joke".

626. I looked at him and thought, "Well, Youth has gone mad so,

627. there might be a chance there!

628. And this kid Raven showed up,

629. I didn't know who he was, or where he came from,

630. he was young, energetic, really

631. really into doing it and, he had an attitude.

632. Raven was party central,

633. but he was also a very down to earth guy,

634. he fitted in perfectly I think.

635. Paul brought a different dynamic to the bass in the band...

636. he defined himself outside of Youth.

637. There was that point where he was doing all those curling baselines and I think Paul

638. gave him the space to do that because he always knew that Paul would be rock solid behind him.

639. After our trip to Iceland,

640. where I began the process of individuation process

641. I made contact with Hilmarsson.

642. Hilmarsson gave me a strange object,

643. that was carved out of ash.

644. On one side it had a snowflake design,

645. on the reverse side was my rune.

646. I started having the habit of putting this object underneath my pillow

647. and I had three

648. incredibly vivid dreams

649. that would point me in the direction of a certain place at a certain time

650. The first of these, a voice was saying to me, “The Islands of the North Atlantic's

651. “Johan

652. And so, in January of '82 I set off for Iona

653. That's where the first transmission occurred.

654. The pendulum gave me the indication

655. that there was a mass of energy at this place called Duni,

656. which is the highest point on Iona.

657. I fasted for three days, I went up to the top of this mountain

658. and then I got myself into my usual state of trance.

659. I recited mantras and played the drum,

660. until I heard a quiet voice that told me to stop

661. it was at that point that the transmission began.

662. The word “lcha”, and then it continued,

663. “lchabod's the veins are in the body of the gods.

664. When I checked the Kabbalistic reference it gave

665. “Eve”, or “to show forth",

666. and Eve at the top of Duni means

667. the point of fertilisation.

668. I see the earth rising a second time,

669. out of the foam, fair and green,

670. down from the fells, fish to capture,

671. wings to eagle... Good afternoon Prime Minister...

672. Her Majesty The Queen has asked me to form a new administration,

673. and I have accepted.

674. Where there is discord, may we bring harmony,

675. where there is error, may we bring truth,

676. where there is doubt, may we bring faith,

677. where there is despair, may we bring hope."

678. Eighties was kind of a groundbreaking track.

679. It was a song about what was happening at that time in the world.

680. You never really heard it on the radio, Maggie Thatcher wouldn't have it on,

681. because he forecast the Falklands War before it actually started!

682. And she didn't like that.

683. Geordie's guitar tuning on that track was unique

684. Nirvana must have been huge fans because they played...

685. What was that song . . .?

686. Come As You Are. I mean that is Eighties.

687. We've got a three million lawsuit against Nirvana

688. for stealing Eighties off us which is Come As You Are,

689. Kurt from Nirvana has already said “Yes we did it”!

690. If it was resolved I don't, well I should have seen some money

691. and I don't think anybody saw any money

692. Oh well I didn't know who the fuck they were when I met them, I didn't know anything about them

693. but... I don't know why I got the call to work with them.

694. I do know why; it was EG Records.

695. They said “There's this very awkward band that we have on the label

696. that maybe you can help us with...

697. Quite a few friends said ”What are you doing?"I said ”I'm working

698. with Killing Joke", they said, ”You're working with Killing Joke?

699. Are you mad? They're crazy! They're devil worshippers!"

700. In 1979 a British DJ felt that the name should be forbidden and the band

701. should be commandeered to rake leaves in Hyde Park, in order to find inner peace.

702. Killing Joke

703. It was decided that we would go to Berlin to record the album.

704. Berlin . . .is the absolute insanity of humanity,

705. absolute madness.

706. Jaz favours countries that are in the midst of economic decay

707. and collapse,

708. he feels there's a power there, an electricity because there's a certain

709. thing going wrong

710. We started recording and the band that I knew from London

711. all of a sudden was a completely different beast

712. QUITE SIMPLY THE BEST GUITAR RECORD THIS YEAR

713. The Art of Evil

714. KILLING JOKE, NIGHT TIME (EG). SUCCESS AT LAST FOR THE BAND OF THE RISING APOCALYPSE OR WHATEVER THEY CALL THEMSELVES

715. Working with the band I suddenly began to realise how

716. Geordie and Jaz worked off each other.

717. Jaz is in awe of Geordie,

718. because Geordie can interpret Jaz's chords in

719. such a different way... I've never heard a guitar player like Geordie,

720. Geordie is like... His guitar is like playing... an orchestra.

721. IT MAKES THE SMITHS LOOK AND SOUND LIKE SIMON AND GARFUNKEL

722. Love Like Blood was a deserved hit for all the right reasons.

723. I don't think anyone

724. could argue with them for that

725. I think it kept the head bangers happy, kept the goth fans happy, it was a little bit of genius songwriting.

726. It was always great going to see them around that time on tour,

727. I remember seeing Jaz come down the stairs there

728. and it literally was like seeing the return of Emperor Nero

729. it was a fabulous feeling.

730. It's one of the defining baselines of that era you know?

731. It was not a conscious attempt at writing a commercial song at all.

732. We did start to tap into an emotional side

733. that we hadn't explored before,

734. I suppose it might have been partly

735. Jaz's classical background.

736. He just had an anthem, love like blood, love like blood,

737. and that was all based around a book that Paul was reading.

738. We did have a hit, wow, amazing.

739. And it's the only time that we had any money,

740. it wasn't very much but it was enough to go ”Oh, wow, this is good?

741. Yeah it was on every jukebox in every pub,

742. and suddenly they were on the highest profile music show in Britain at the time

743. Raymond, of Killing Joke.

744. Raven!

745. You did it already! I knew I'd get something wrong!

746. It was a very drunk Raven and Jaz were interviewed by Paula Yates

747. and Jaz going on about how like, you know, how solid they were,

748. one direction, big shiny boots, follow the drum, and they came on and stormed it.

749. Did you ever think that you would be suddenly so successful after five albums?

750. Why do you think it's happened like that, that suddenly everyone's buying your records?

751. Because...

752. Shut up a minute...

753. Because there's too many hairdressers around that's why

754. and it's also because

755. err

756. we're just the most brilliant live band in the world.

757. Get it?

758. Do you think that saying things like that has made you a bit unpopular in the past?

759. Because you have had a terrible reputation for saying outrageous things.

760. What with journalists you mean? Yeah with journalists rather than with...

761. We've got, we've got a good relationship with the press actually you know?

762. They were hated by... the press.

763. Music papers liked having Killing Joke because they knew...

764. something was going to happen,

765. they had a real love hate relationship with it.

766. There was always this thing called the graveyard shift and it always meant going to interview Killing Joke.

767. Wasn't really so much a process of asking questions...

768. One of them would say something... The other one would criticize them for saying it...

769. They would start arguing with each other...

770. You just had to try and get in there and gradually make some sense of it all.

771. I don't think people really pay as much attention

772. to music journalism as perhaps the media would like to think.

773. "Jaz displays that Colgate ring of confidence"

774. Like all the people at the NME, these people think they're like... gods or something.

775. It was a good game for some years and they played it well,

776. the band, for quite a while.

777. Some people, who didn't really realise what you're talking about

778. would probably construe that as negativism.

779. I cannot see how we can be portrayed as negative.

780. The only true optimism comes from realism.

781. Jaz, a hundred quotes a minute worth blowing up in big type.

782. I WILL DEFINE THE ATOMIC SOUND BEFORE I'M DEAD

783. JAZ COLEMAN "I AM NOT A NUTCASE!"CLAIM

784. Newspapers never lie!

785. I'm pleased I wasn't handling their publicity!

786. Geordie I was reading the biog

787. and it said something about the Gematria system that you'd been getting into

788. Gematria system, Gematria system? What's that about?

789. Well... Go for it.

790. Back to Jaz!

791. They generally didn't really care about being in the press, but at the same time Jaz loves to have an audience.

792. That is using the beats per minute and relating that to numerology,

793. which is obviously an ascetic pursuit of arts.

794. Most people didn't really know what Jaz was talking about...

795. Good lord, it sounds like, quite heady that

796. but, so, let's pick up the conversation again in a minute...

797. Because Jaz often wouldn't talk about it, I mean Jaz would mention it

798. and then as soon as the journalist would go "So would you like to clarify?"

799. ”No, fuck off!"

800. “Well why did you mention it?"

801. It became, obviously, a talking point with the press because it was a bit, you know, woooh.

802. I always felt that Jaz was the active part and Geordie was perhaps more in-sinuous obviously,

803. because they share the same beliefs and everything.

804. The sound that comes out of this man Geordie,

805. it strikes terror into every guitarist on the planet;

806. you know it's Geordie, you know it cannot be any other guitarist.

807. Geordie is just a phenomenally innovative musician.

808. Got a unique, vicious,

809. bitter, biting, twang to his guitar.

810. Yeah he's got an amazing sound;

811. the intensity of that is the subtlety of less is more, you know you can overplay

812. and bugger it all up, you know?

813. You're in the band with him, I'm watching Geordie for every cue.

814. Which is interesting, because you usually follow the singer, and that's the key; you watch Geordie.

815. With Geordie, he could have gone out there and become part of a lot of other bands,

816. and I'm talking big bands, you know bands like Metallica or something like that,

817. but he's stuck with Killing Joke all the way through.

818. He's never really got a lot of money out of Killing Joke,

819. but he's, you know, got that strong allegiance to being in Killing Joke

820. Jah Wobble said,

821. “imagine an Avro Lancaster, 1942 bomber.

822. A guy in the leather hat and a cigarette holder and cigarette,

823. and a gin and tonic in the other hand,

824. 'Right we're over the target!'

825. that's how I'd describe Geordie Walker to you."

826. He's so English, he can't live in England anymore; he lives in Prague

827. in a weird sort of way the Dickensian blackened streets of Prague

828. owe more to his sense of Englishness

829. than anything England could offer anymore.

830. For someone who's had such a big impact, Geordie's a very quiet

831. guy in the public face I think.

832. You'll find that my partner Geordie

833. doesn't do interviews, unlike me

834. and his reason for this is that

835. he cannot see the point in talking about music,

836. when it should be listened to.

837. Now I can really understand that although...

838. When Geordie came to Iceland

839. with his full bodied jazz guitar,

840. we couldn't understand what he was doing with this instrument...

841. But he played it like a motherfucker!

842. Which is the shit that's got the goo!

843. You know you just know when it has...

844. "Give us the goo!"

845. It's suspensions as well, there's always

846. the odd ringing note

847. and you move chords and that's still ringing

848. a suspensions... it's what you get with the echo too,

849. because there's previous notes from previous stuff still decaying

850. under it

851. He always plays the same guitar, because it's semi-acoustic

852. it enlarges the sound, it rings more.

853. And he would play through two Burman amplifiers

854. with a little chorus on them.

855. And he's playing these weird shapes and inversions,

856. he's got all these harmonic overtones

857. because it's a semi-acoustic guitar...

858. It's fucking resonances and beats, it's fucking microscopic you know?

859. It's like, you can hear it,

860. you just heard it, when you tune it up and you get that beat,

861. it's getting that at the right sort of resonance,

862. as a low fucking frequency thing going on too

863. Its not fucking unlike cooking.

864. Getting all the fucking flavours sort of...

865. resonated.

866. Geordie is the most honest man you'll meet.

867. He'll tell you, whether you want to hear it or not, there's no doubt about that.

868. He's got a pretty short fuse,

869. he's a perfect foil to Jaz, you know, that's why it worked.

870. Geordie and Jaz are the alchemical marriage.

871. Elementally they're really well balanced,

872. Geordie is earthy and fire-y and Jaz is air-y and watery

873. so they have the perfect alchemical material.

874. You get the theatrical Jaz you know with all his stance and all that.

875. And you get Geordie, it's like he's playing a ballad on the side of stage.

876. Their charts are really well linked.

877. Jaz has Jupiter in Sagittarius sits right

878. on all Geordie's planets in Sagittarius

879. and it's ascendant in Capricorn

880. so it's a hugely abundant creative relationship.

881. You have the feeling that nothing can touch Geordie.

882. Bless us,

883. and all who come on pilgrimage to Glastonbury

884. Guide our feet on the path of righteousness,

885. inspire us by your spirit...

886. I went to Glastonbury on February the 2nd 1982,

887. and I got the second transmission.

888. This transmission began with “Hraachmaa”,

889. this word which was 256, the number of the spider,

890. which has 256 kalas in the voodoo cult.

891. And actually, when I studied it more,

892. 256 is the

893. 'Spirit of the Mother'.

894. Within days of going to Glastonbury

895. I opened Tony Morrison's book Pathways of the Gods,

896. and there in front of me was the Spider at the Pampas de San Jose,

897. with its abdomen intersected by a line

898. that was aligned to the constellation of Orion.

899. I worked out when, approximately,

900. the constellation of Orion would be coming over the horizon,

901. and went straight to the Pampas.

902. I arrived there two weeks before

903. the proposed time of ritual,

904. I pitched my tent behind a small hillock

905. and lived in a semi-primitive state.

906. Three days before the ritual I began my fast,

907. and then on the third day, after nightfall,

908. I made my way up one of the pathways I knew would intersect with the Spider's abdomen.

909. When I arrived in the correct place, I began to play the drums

910. and immersed myself in mantra,

911. so I could get to the past and future place

912. of Universe B.

913. And again, a voice told me to start writing,

914. and the first word of the writing was “Tomenga”.

915. The quicksilver methodology of communication;

916. this is the third degree.

917. out of the foam, fair and green...

918. I discovered that ordinary men and women

919. guard these vector points

920. where UFOs and UAVs

921. and hyper-dimensional entities manifest.

922. Right, that's where it was, right?

923. And when you come here, right watch this, this whole area was static right?

924. There were at least nine or ten...

925. balls, glowing balls.

926. And then it starts flashing this image to us,

927. like pulsating but strobing like..."

928. It stayed in the air for ages didn't it? It didn't move away for a while.

929. Do you understand where I'm coming from? I'm a military man, I know this shit.

930. And one of them shot towards us...

931. This is after we've already, fucking, you know, like literally just been like absorbed by this energy.

932. I found it quite bizarre how this first confrontation I had,

933. with something I believed deep down inside happened

934. in the presence ofJaz.

935. They flashed a symbol at us,

936. it's kind of weird, because I recognised the symbol,

937. it was like a matchstick man

938. with a line through his head.

939. That, experiencing in there, I think they knew me, Yeah, I felt like I'd been looked at.

940. To Jaz it was something else.

941. Brighter than a Thousand Suns, that's when he was...

942. trying to sing properly! Stop it.

943. It was a bit of a labour of love because I didn't choose to go to Amsterdam to record the album,

944. it's the last place where I would have taken Killing Joke, Berlin was dangerous enough.

945. LACK OF PRUNING RITUALS

946. ENSURING NO HIT SINGLES FLY HERE

947. Melody Maker, in its gossip column, printed this photograph ofJaz

948. getting out of a swimming pool with all his hair sort of squashed down

949. and was basically taking the piss out of him

950. because the single hadn't been the number one that everyone had expected.

951. The Phone started ringing, it's Jaz at a hundred miles an hour in my ear,

952. “Who's the person that wrote it? Who's the person that wrote it? I'm going to get my pendulum and come up there,

953. I'm going to point it at everyone and find out who wrote that."

954. I had been interviewing the band, and after Jaz said,

955. “Come with me I'm going to give you a good story...

956. So we jumped in a car, he tells the driver to stop

957. at a fishing tackle shop. He comes outwith a package,

958. we go on a bit further, and he stops at a butcher's shop, comes outwith a package.

959. Phone call from reception,

960. "Oh Mat, I've got Jaz Coleman in reception for you shall I let him in?"

961. ”No, no, don't let him in!"

962. There was a security door where all the journalists from Melody Maker were pressed up against the glass,

963. all staring, wide eyed, and none of them would dare come out.

964. So I went out to the reception and Jaz was there, and was all lovely Jaz you know,

965. he sort of put my arm round him and goes, “Ah Mat, pleased to see you,

966. shall we go in?”and I said,

967. “You know I can't let you in there Jaz, because I know what's going

968. to happen if I let you in there it's going to be chaos."And at that point he just went crazy

969. He takes out this piece of liver from his jacket

970. and slaps this liver on the table,

971. then he takes out a tub of maggots and he dumps the maggots over the liver...

972. and started throwing it all over the reception

973. these maggots just go crawling across this desk

974. the poor receptionist is screaming her head off.

975. DELIVER US FROM EVIL

976. And he had these scissors which he dug into the table

977. and recited some Latin and said

978. "I want this journalist to call and apologise for what he's written about me."

979. Part of it was brilliant, part of it was frightening,

980. part of it was like, where the fuck is this going to end?

981. It was welcome to Jaz world, for everyone

982. in that reception that day.

983. Suddenly we're on all these pop shows around Europe

984. and the sort of, the other side of the coin.

985. Oh, this is a commercial band now.

986. It was nice you know,

987. it was like a little glittery thing

988. dancing in front of your eyes

989. but it didn't bring us any closer together,

990. if anything we got further apart from each other.

991. The Joke kind of lost control of their empire themselves,

992. it got very dissipated

993. and the reason I think it got dissipated was because

994. they didn't have any money, they were broke.

995. Night Time album was very successful

996. Brighter was, you know, relatively successful

997. the deal that they were sucked into, they were never going to make any money.

998. They were just losing all the time.

999. They weren't going to be Top 10 every record,

1000. you sign to a big label what do they want?

1001. Why are they bothering to put money into you if you're not going to pay them back with hits?

1002. Yes we were under pressure,

1003. Yes the record should be better than the last one,

1004. Yes you should, you know, try and follow in the vein of Love Like Blood or whatever,

1005. but we'd just discovered an emotional

1006. side that we wanted to pursue.

1007. Killing Joke were stuck between...

1008. at that point they were trying to be as independent

1009. and as bloody minded as ever

1010. but they also wouldn't have minded having number one hits,

1011. I don't think you can have both.

1012. For a label I think, they would have been one almighty headache,

1013. I'm sure.

1014. I really liked the idea that we'd have this incredibly powerful musical thing

1015. and nobody would know ever who did it;

1016. I thought it was a lovely idea,

1017. but of course, you get on stage and you're all there what are you going to do?

1018. Play behind a screen?

1019. Once people are interested in hearing

1020. what the singer has to say, suddenly

1021. you've got a cult of personality

1022. and to a large extent I think that's why we eventually fell out.

1023. It talks about an incandescent column of smoke and flame

1024. brighter than a thousand suns...

1025. I'm not saying anybody's right or wrong here

1026. it was becoming more and more about ego,

1027. and my ego was getting hurt.

1028. IT'S NO JOKE

1029. RAVEN AND FERGUSON QUIT KILLING JOKE

1030. JAZ BUTCHERED

1031. the original line up, only you two I think?

1032. There have been changes, there had to be changes,

1033. The fact is we don't really want a sort of punk rhythm section

1034. for the next eight years you know?

1035. Some of his behaviour was an affront to me,

1036. an affront to the band;

1037. we couldn't be in the same room together.

1038. We wanted a more articulate, funky, powerful rhythm section.

1039. Did the other guys feel bad about it? Not at all we paid them off... ha ha ha

1040. And then of course, he started doing his solo material

1041. which started costing an awful lot of money and the record company said,

1042. “Well no, this has to be a band project."

1043. So I recorded drums with him not being there

1044. and I refused to listen to any of the keyboards on the record while I was doing it

1045. which is just insane, I was playing completely out of time.

1046. I got the message that the drum tracks were no good,

1047. you'll have to pay for them and do them again,

1048. and I just said, “Fuck it, I'm not going to." I just left the country.

1049. I'M JUST DISAPPOINTED THAT JAZ HAS HIS HEAD SO FAR UP HIS ARSE NOW.

1050. THERE'S TOO MUCH EGO STROKING GOING ON

1051. JAZ STOPPED WRITING LYRICS WITH PAUL

1052. THE WORDS BECAME A SERIES OF DEMENTED RANTINGS

1053. I'M BONKERS!

1054. As long as I'm alive, as long as Geordie's alive, Killing Joke is alive,

1055. right?

1056. And it got to a stage with Jaz where he went into deep depression,

1057. he was being sued by the record company

1058. if he ever walked out of his front door there'd be a person with a writ there,

1059. so he could never work again unless he started paying the bill off.

1060. He was terrified, he was in the middle of a nervous breakdown

1061. His passion and intensity is good, but invariably, you know, you mix passion and intensity

1062. with a big bag of drugs and a load of booze

1063. and you're going to get someone going off the handle aren't you really?

1064. You have written, they're lying here on the floor, a symphony and a book, you are quite a busy person.

1065. That's right, my symphony I hope to have performed this year,

1066. in England I hope and the other side of the world... Can I show it?

1067. Sure. Is it really a symphony?

1068. That's right... And then

1069. then it was the beginning of his classical career.

1070. Art of Noise supremo Anne Dudley

1071. and Jaz Coleman, Killing Joke's founder member,

1072. are an unlikely couple to see on the streets of Cairo.

1073. They came here to record an album called Songs from the Victorious City,

1074. A mutual love of classical music

1075. drew Dudley and Coleman together on this project;

1076. he's a classically trained violinist

1077. and she spent three years studying at the Royal College of Music

1078. When at first I met him he was very crazy.

1079. Because he told me, “I want to learn about the Arabic music."

1080. He wanted to know everything, you can see it in his eyes.

1081. So I keep learning him for about ten days

1082. after that, I was surprised he could write our Arabic

1083. music, as one of us.

1084. I didn't believe that he can make good harmony

1085. between the Western and the Oriental music, but he has done it.

1086. He'd been playing me bits and pieces of symphonies that he'd been writing

1087. through the Joke sessions, but

1088. this was the first time that it was a collaboration and someone released it.

1089. The biggest pop star in Egypt!

1090. And then, of course, the depression disappeared

1091. and Jaz's classical career was

1092. just taking off right, left and centre.

1093. This is called the Zep Symphony. Symphony; it's a symphony,

1094. I tell you... ... the machinery is in place,

1095. big record, London Philharmonic Orchestra,

1096. and I'll take you, to the West, one go, tonight.

1097. It was a surprise for me,

1098. to find English people interested in our music...

1099. He sat at the piano and I sat at the kanun and we tried to make a relation.

1100. Since this time I found he knows what he wants.

1101. Good.

1102. I heard that he was doing it, but I didn't get to hear it until the end

1103. and I thought he'd done a magnificent job

1104. OK it was Led Zeppelin, but he'd brought Jaz Coleman to the party;

1105. Jaz is in there, alive and well.

1106. Jaz, being classically trained, fantastic musician,

1107. in the pages of the music press they didn't really deal with that

1108. I think a lot of the antagonism in the early days

1109. was just journalists not understanding it.

1110. He won the St Nicolas Award at the age of four

1111. in the pop landscape of the time that meant for nothing really.

1112. It was just very easy for them to say, “Oh, well, he's mad isn't he."And then sort of like, take the piss out of him,

1113. but he wasn't mad, he was passionate.

1114. You don't have to be Egyptian to enjoy Egyptian music, you don't have to be

1115. West Indian to enjoy Caribbean music;

1116. it's whatever you identify with, spiritually.

1117. Is Jaz religious?

1118. Is he a Muslim? He must.

1119. 2000, JAZ COLEMAN WEDDING, MOROCCO

1120. Everyone is Muslim.

1121. They make themselves Christian or Jewish or...

1122. but the religion it's one, it's one god, you believe or you don't believe.

1123. What do you think will happen to mankind?

1124. It's finished, it must finish.

1125. Everything has a start and have an end.

1126. Our Prophet,

1127. he's the last prophet.

1128. Someone asked him about the day of the end,

1129. “Between me and the end,

1130. lies from this finger to the other one."

1131. I don't know how much time from hereto here;

1132. it doesn't make a difference for me, it's going to the end.

1133. Did you prepare yourself for the end?

1134. This is, this is the question.

1135. When Egypt goes,

1136. which it will do because of the decreasing geomagnetic field,

1137. it's a kind of signal. And this was written

1138. into the holiest books of the occult in modern times.

1139. There's going to be a huge upheaval coming.

1140. There will be fire and blood, in the Victorious City

1141. Al Qahirah is the Victorious City.

1142. We're at 0.05 gauss at the moment, and we're decreasing to 0 gauss,

1143. as soon as we get close to 0 gauss,

1144. they've done the tests on the astronauts,

1145. this manifests in terms of random aggression and madness, basically.

1146. When Cairo

1147. falls,

1148. we are a matter of, maybe a year at maximum, away from

1149. singularity.

1150. Killing Joke is back...

1151. The band that ties spirituality with primal violence has reformed,

1152. re-uniting with bassist Raven and joined by drummer Martin Atkins,

1153. who previously played with Public Image Limited.

1154. They have major new music and major new ideas,

1155. and they're getting no support from major record companies.

1156. Well when they came back together, the band took complete creative control,

1157. they didn't listen to any outside pressure

1158. We will make the record, then nobody will say anything to us.

1159. It was good to see them angry again, it was less poetry, more... more hate.

1160. When Big Paul left Raven said,

1161. “He made my job as easy as anything, all I had to do was turn up when Big Paul was playing drums,

1162. Martin was even more aggressive and intricate I would say.

1163. There was a jazz element to Martin that really propelled the band in a different direction.

1164. Would you like to tell us what you've been doing in the sort of, last few years when we haven't heard anything from Killing Joke?

1165. It's probably been the worst two years of my life,

1166. everybody in the band went through absolute hell,

1167. we all got to the point where there was absolutely... we were 100% skint,

1168. and I ended up in a psychiatric ward actually.

1169. The BEAST IS BACK!

1170. any other handy missiles at the police and colliery buildings,

1171. the police responded by sending in a snatch squad.

1172. The miners resisted and the police...

1173. EXTREMITIES IS THE MORE INTENSE WORK TO DATE

1174. IF THEY EVER TOP THIS

1175. THEY ARE NOT GENIUSES, THEY ARE DEITIES

1176. Jaz had been having a terrible time in the lead up to that album,

1177. he told me once that, he felt as if he'd been made of glass,

1178. that he was actually possessed. And I think a lot of that fed into that album

1179. I think it's one of those great things that Killing Joke do, when they're at the top of their game, is

1180. mix what's going on, the turmoil inside the band,

1181. with the turmoil that's going on in the political world,

1182. they've done it a lot of times. ..

1183. And it was the age of greed, it was the age of Thatcher privatising everything;

1184. gas, electricity, water, everything was being taken out of the hands of the people.

1185. Jaz being this fantastic romanticist European hated that,

1186. on that album he rebelled against it brilliantly.

1187. People need something to resemble the struggle they have in

1188. in trying to make a living today,

1189. they need this level of intensity in the music and we provide that.

1190. It's strange that you really like the live work with Killing Joke and yet with your

1191. orchestral arrangements you've got to be right behind...

1192. Oh he's a different person, completely different person,

1193. he's got another name, I mean I call him Jaz but he's the other Jaz,

1194. he wears different clothes, that's another lifetime.

1195. Whoever invented the jester persona for Jaz was

1196. incredibly prophetic.

1197. That stick where you turn, and one side's miserable and black

1198. and the other sides a harlequin and all the rest of it; that's him

1199. Jaz can be very calm and very collected...

1200. "Don't fucking run away from me..."

1201. Say it again... Say it again.

1202. Is there another side to Jaz, can he freak out?

1203. Yeah of course he can.

1204. I'm the chosen boy, and you better fucking believe it you fucker.

1205. He's a very gentle reflective person inside,

1206. I mean you wouldn't think that looking at Killing Joke

1207. but inside, as you know...

1208. He's quite introvert, and he worries, he worries a lot.

1209. His mind is, you know, it's more dangerous than a computer his mind

1210. it's like... he never stops thinking.

1211. man is an aggressive, predatory beast...

1212. Wall Street crash that happened six, six months ago

1213. is going to reoccur again...

1214. why do we focus our lives exclusively to the acquisition of material possessions

1215. when we won't be taking anything with us when we go?

1216. He'll always hook onto something because it's almost verging on paranoia in some ways,

1217. he has a deep fear of something,

1218. and he manifests it in different ways.

1219. Right from the start he had this problem,

1220. he would be listening to things

1221. he'd be scared outside that

1222. he had fears, and I wasn't sure why.

1223. He was a chorister in a church choir,

1224. he was so committed, they said he was quite spiritual.

1225. He would get amazing reports from the Royal College of Church Music

1226. about this exceptional boy who could sing like a dream and play like a dream.

1227. He wasn't doing very well at school, but we knew that he had talents.

1228. I don't know whether I believe in lineage or inheritance or caste,

1229. but I do have Persian as well as Hindu in me; I'm a half-caste.

1230. I was brought up in a very white, middle class town called Cheltenham,

1231. and I never felt like I was English here, I always felt like a foreigner here,

1232. I mean I was always in fights at school

1233. and stuff, because I always felt odd, different.

1234. That track, 'The Pandy's Are Coming',

1235. it was really about, the first step in tackling my cultural identity crisis,

1236. which was this part of me that comes from the East,

1237. didn't sit right in England at that time.

1238. At that time, there were all these

1239. “Jaz clones" as Youth calls it,

1240. all these Asian kids with flat caps.

1241. SOUTHALL RIOTS, ANTI-RACISM DEMONSTRATION 1979

1242. Young Asians born in Great Britain they

1243. have to be like, a good boy, a good girl

1244. or otherwise, you step out of line,

1245. and they'd all run away from home all these kids.

1246. I used him as an inspiration to kids, and I say,

1247. "This boy is supposed to have failed his music O level,

1248. and yet he's able to conduct a symphony orchestra

1249. and he's never been to a music college,

1250. so what does it say?"

1251. some say, “You don't know Killing Joke';

1252. I say, “Yes I'm his Mum'; “You're his Mum?",

1253. I think he was kind of spawned

1254. they don't think of him as having a Mum, especially someone like me.

1255. Spawn of the devil yeah right?

1256. He's a very hot fish to handle artistically you know,

1257. he's a difficult artist to work with

1258. because he's so passionate and so uncompromising.

1259. He can be absolutely lovely Jaz Coleman,

1260. and he can be a complete and utter shit.

1261. Wake up...

1262. Intro...

1263. Even knowing him really well, you know, there always comes a point where

1264. he starts physically threatening me or someone there, you know,

1265. with violence.

1266. Take that fucking out, we're recording.

1267. Alright tell me where the drums... Take the last one out.

1268. It's happened on all our projects,

1269. I think on the Pink Floyd one he threatened to slash the A&R man's face

1270. if he made one edit to... Oh no, that was the Zeppelin one...

1271. If he edited this twenty minute version of 'Whole Lotta Love'

1272. which we didn't use at all in the end...

1273. You know, so when he's like that there's just no reasoning with him

1274. he just becomes a bit of a dictator and he expects everybody just to recognise

1275. recognise his genius and do what he says.

1276. OK, brilliant, OK

1277. OK let's just fly that into the chorus,

1278. really good Jaz...

1279. Did you get all that? Everything!

1280. Matt and I know fine well that dealing with Jaz a lot of the time is like,

1281. “Right, I'm going to Peru, I'm going to record, in a cave, in Peru,

1282. to invocate something or another and like... that's a real conversation.

1283. And there's a bit of you that sort of sits there and thinks, “Why... Why do you want to go to Peru?"

1284. DO YOUR FUCKING JOB, YOU CUNT, MAKE ME SOUND LIKE GOD

1285. When you're manage him sometimes you sit, and you look at each other, and you're like, ”Is this guy completely fucking crazy?"

1286. And then a part of you thinks,

1287. “Or is he manipulating this entire situation?"

1288. A good example of that is the trip to Egypt;

1289. the story is just fantastic,

1290. who goes to record in the King's Chamber

1291. of the Great Pyramids of Giza? I'll tell you; nobody.

1292. If there was ever a dangerous time in your life believe it or not it'd be now...

1293. seriously.

1294. SILENCE

1295. We wanted to do this recording in the Pyramids.

1296. Mary, our main contact, described herself as a white witch.

1297. She said she'd have to interview us

1298. to ascertain our intentions were correct.

1299. We had this interview and the guy goes, “What do you want to do?"

1300. and Jaz goes, "I want to do an exorcism"

1301. and he goes, “You're not Satanists are you?"

1302. "I don't believe in Satan, so how can I be a Satanist?

1303. Do you?",

1304. ”No I don't”

1305. and Jaz goes, “Well how can I be a Satanist?"

1306. and everybody laughed and that was it and we were in.

1307. This is where major leys start and end isn't it?

1308. On the planet earth.

1309. The Pyramids weren't sited randomly,

1310. it is indeed a huge marker peg for all the rest of the grid on the entire planet.

1311. This is the Great Navel of the Earth,

1312. high energy; don't need drugs in here, you don't.

1313. Hello, Hello, Hello

1314. The energy is very high in Cairo and around the Pyramids.

1315. It's almost like you don't need to sleep there,

1316. Jaz thrives on that.

1317. I think we can go in the Queen's Chamber while you're doing your vocals, OK?

1318. Jaz is going in.

1319. Once you enter the King's Chamber, the harmonics in that room are just incredible.

1320. You had to whisper to each other because it just bounces off the walls.

1321. First battery pack we put in the DAT machines just went flat straight away.

1322. The second battery we put in went flat straight away.

1323. The camera started playing up...

1324. It was a terrible session, Jaz broke down, he'd drunk too much,

1325. there was too many people around,

1326. all this weird stuff was going on we got nothing.

1327. The next day I kind of took the reins a bit and said, look,

1328. let's do it a bit more ritually...

1329. We light the candles...

1330. let's have three guys in the King's Chamber,

1331. everybody else can wait out in the corridors.

1332. We'll do a ceremony and we'll ritualise it and then, we'll see what happens.

1333. In ... this moment in our lives.

1334. We come to absorb... Spirit

1335. and purify ourselves.

1336. Jaz did a prayer, saying that we came in peace

1337. and we wanted to do it in a good way.

1338. Mary and the girls had suddenly turned up at the Pyramids in this full

1339. Egyptian ceremonial dress.

1340. 3217. and

1341. these people around doing

1342. I think, they're doing something not right.

1343. The energy changed in the room straight away,

1344. you could cut the air with a knife.

1345. It was time when Sirius was rising in the sky in August,

1346. that really helped, and the girls held the energy down there in the Queen's Chamber,

1347. and created the right resonance and vibration for us

1348. to access that portal.

1349. We had like, two hours of fantastic recording with

1350. Jaz bellowing from the darkest agony of his soul.

1351. I could feel myself elevating,

1352. Jaz was watching me and he was like... His eyes were getting bigger and bigger and

1353. he reckons that I lifted off the ground.

1354. Our recording engineer, Sameh, was Egyptian,

1355. he'd never been in the Pyramid before, he was sort of a little bit...

1356. Not scared but, it didn't interest him to go there, ever.

1357. At one point he nodded off.

1358. I found sleep. That's what I remember that for five minutes, four minutes,

1359. my eyes closed.

1360. When he awoke he jumped up, hit his head on the beam

1361. and ran for the door.

1362. I stopped him and said, “Are you OK?"and he said, “Yeah, yeah I'm fine

1363. but the Eye of Horus was coming after me.

1364. These eyes I remember them,

1365. it was shiny eyes, coming like this and

1366. would look at me and go

1367. It was scary really, actually.

1368. These eyes...

1369. It comes to my dreams many times;

1370. from this day I never go to the Pyramids again.

1371. It was a really, really powerful experience, you know,

1372. for me personally and musically it was incredible.

1373. I've known Jaz for about five years.

1374. He tried to fight me once...

1375. He was rolling his eyes around and freaking out,

1376. he was going to chop my head off.

1377. Do you know Killing Joke recorded in these Pyramids?

1378. Jaz told me all about it at the time,

1379. what a great coup

1380. This is one of the major points

1381. points of reference of history

1382. I don't believe that this is 2800bc,

1383. it's not, it's a lot older. The science isn't human,

1384. the science is mathematics that

1385. mankind is only now understanding.

1386. The whole point of our civilisation isn't human.

1387. What is this civilization about and who or what could have created it?

1388. It's basically structured around the Tree of Life,

1389. everything that every human being knows, the way they think

1390. think is attached to this Tree of Life,

1391. and the whole of everything that is attached to this tree,

1392. will always work for the aim of number one.

1393. One being the unity of everything that's held within it,

1394. so we're all attached to a matrix.

1395. Now this matrix, really,

1396. I mean it's very, very, very difficult to believe

1397. that any human being could ever have conceived of this.

1398. They're making something else, something big,

1399. something that none of us are going to have any free will about

1400. we're not going to have any free will once we're attached, at all,

1401. look at the ant, look at the termite.

1402. This is the brave new world we're entering.

1403. there, science fiction twenty years ago

1404. but a biometric reality today.

1405. I fervently believe that the western governments,

1406. the only way that they're going to control the masses during the changes that are going ahead,

1407. is going to be humans having implants.

1408. Technology has developed to an extent that

1409. it's a reality we're a matter of years away from the situation,

1410. I think it's beyond paranoia.

1411. NEW ZEALAND

1412. Jaz Coleman and Killing Joke record their next album in Auckland,

1413. in Coleman's new recording studio, next month.

1414. PANDEMONIUM, A 10-PAK OF PESTILENCE

1415. KILLING JOKE HAVE RETURNED WITH A VENGEANCE,

1416. THE END MUST BE NEAR

1417. I had worked with Jaz on an album from my own band, Shihad, he had produced that album, which

1418. which he did a fantastic job of,

1419. when Killing Joke turned up, that's when it all started going fucking sideways.

1420. Jaz had this mike set up, I think it was called the cunt mike,

1421. it was just a microphone patched in, so he could abuse us

1422. as we were tracking drums!

1423. ”Oh yeah, you've got to yell fuck at me while I play, that's fine, you go right ahead you know.

1424. Paul Ferguson and Martin Atkins, you know, they were huge heroes of mine

1425. who had influenced a whole series of other drummers that I was really into,

1426. Mike Bordin, of Faith No More...

1427. It was a strange turn of events to find yourself in that cycle of creation,

1428. after having watched it from afar

1429. and from, you know, the bottom of the world.

1430. I mean that was a genetic thread that Killing Joke started with drumming

1431. where they brought that tribal thing into aggressive, high energy music.

1432. READ MY APOCALYPSE

1433. A lot of people who got into Pandemonium thought it was Killing Joke's first album,

1434. I bet that's happened to them four or five times in their career.

1435. There's not many bands that get more and more ferocious,

1436. and harder, and more fucked up the older they get.

1437. It was back to them sounding unique,

1438. and not trying to have pop hits.

1439. PANDEMONIUM IS WHAT MIGHT BE CALLED A WORK-IN-PROGRESS...

1440. GOD KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF IT IS EVER COMPLETED

1441. Youth sort of reappeared,

1442. there was sort of confusion as to whether it was Youth and Raven, or, was Raven out, or what now?

1443. Again it was that thing of chaos in the background.

1444. We're coming from all different directions

1445. directions and, you know, for a while it only worked when we played music,

1446. and the rest of the time there was a bunch of turbulence. ..

1447. still is.

1448. Youth's sort of popped in and out of the band over the years really.

1449. Youth came to me and said “I want to get another band together",

1450. I said “Well what do you want to do that for? You should be a producer",

1451. and he said, ”Oh, you think I should be a producer?", I said, ”Yeah, you could be.",

1452. he's made a great career out of being that.

1453. Youth produced everything from Urban Hymns

1454. to Paul McCartney,

1455. I think the records... Not all the time, bearing in mind Night Time was nothing to do with Youth, you know...

1456. but I think that when he comes back in, even if he's not firmly at the controls of it,

1457. even if he's not literally the guy on the desk turning it,

1458. he sort of puts a bit of something into it... A bit of producer magic into it.

1459. Youth's making money!

1460. I said to him, “Oh, I bet you're quite chuffed then", because, like, you know

1461. he did the Verve album and the first two singles go straight to number 1.

1462. And he kind of sits there, sort of, ”Yeah mate", you know what he's like.

1463. He's the guy, that, when all the rest of them aren't talking to each other for whatever reason,

1464. they all still talk to Youth.

1465. Taking that symbol,

1466. we use the water, the sign of Christ,

1467. 1999 YORK STREET STUDIOS OPENING

1468. To cleanse it.

1469. He came in like a bull at the gate,

1470. trying to, I don't know, stir emotions, stir something.

1471. I want to start the debate in this country;

1472. what is Kiwi music?

1473. And he set up York Street Studios with the help of a few other people,

1474. which really gave a boost to New Zealand music, I mean,

1475. they would never admit to that.

1476. I first met Jaz

1477. at the opening of the York Street Recording Studio,

1478. he was really keen to do some recording together...

1479. and he was really adamant when we first worked on Oceania

1480. that that music was to be about

1481. the essence of this country.

1482. He didn't really care what people thought of him, it seemed.

1483. A real, sincere desire to understand the indigenous people and the culture

1484. was very apparent,

1485. because I don't think in the early 90's we were really doing that

1486. as a general thing,

1487. and I think that was,

1488. kind of, punctuated, when I sang the national anthem in Maori

1489. at the Rugby World Cup,

1490. because the response to that was so extraordinary.

1491. “Men of every creed and race, gather here before thy face",

1492. that's how the second verse of 'God Defend New Zealand' starts.

1493. Ironic, then, that when the Maori Hinewehi Mohi

1494. delivered her national song at Twickenham on Saturday

1495. it didn't go down well with thousands of New Zealand rugby fans...

1496. This representative of the Rugby Union came and said,

1497. “We'd really like you to do an English version';

1498. and Jaz goes, “NO!

1499. She only knows that version and that's the version she's going to do"

1500. What is the point of singing a national anthem in a language

1501. that most of the population can't understand?

1502. The decision to sing it in Maori was a musical decision, not a political one,

1503. it's just that, I mean, you've got to listen to this girl's voice...

1504. “You can't be singing it in English, you've got to be singing it in Maori

1505. because we've got to make that statement"

1506. It's all about music you know, this is the issue...

1507. if he's feeling passionate about that needing to be made as a statement,

1508. then I smell trouble!

1509. But I didn't smell the trouble to the extent that it panned out.

1510. It suddenly turned into this controversy

1511. I suddenly realised that we weren't so far along with our cultural understanding

1512. as I would have liked us to have been.

1513. This is your CD! OK! That's enough plugging!

1514. Jaz was really delighted because he copes with controversy so much better than me!

1515. He'd make a good politician, because politicians have that two sides to them, you know,

1516. he can play the game, Jaz can do that... He wouldn't make a good priest.

1517. This was on the Gathering message board,

1518. "I heard recently, that Jaz had found God."

1519. We can't escape what we are,

1520. far better to study our holy texts...

1521. “The sun is rising in the east, the beginning of a new day for mankind,

1522. my eyes were open to see the divine mysteries

1523. of the church of Killing Joke,

1524. the chosen anointed prophet of God,

1525. Jeremy Jaz Coleman, beloved of the most high",

1526. Now if you fucking put me in this film that that's coming from me you're fucking dead I tell you!

1527. Ateh, Malkuth, ve-Geburah, ve-Gedulah, le-Olam,

1528. we have a fifty percent chance of survival to the end of the century...

1529. Give me strength...

1530. The male sperm count is getting lower and lower...

1531. We are, as males, an extinct species...

1532. The elite are preparing for the inevitable...

1533. and Jesus entered the temple, and began to drive out those who sold...

1534. Christ said, "I come not

1535. the olive branch but with a sword!"

1536. If we look at the Old Testament, in the cold light of day,

1537. in relation...

1538. to the UFO issue.

1539. Genesis chapter 6, verse 4...

1540. “And there were giants in the earth in those days and when the sons of God...

1541. came in unto the daughters of men,

1542. great men were born men of renown.

1543. And so we have the argument of the interventionists, so. ..

1544. Oh, you want to hear an amazing dream I had? Listen to this, here's one of my favorite UFO dreams...

1545. it was kind of a harbour... the sky, like, fucking imploded...

1546. you could see all of these different spacecraft shooting from side to side,

1547. UFOs everywhere... Like Fatima... all over the place...

1548. Holy fucking shit...

1549. They started showing these, propaganda films...

1550. it was finally explaining the evolution of man,

1551. and how it was aided by these, aliens.

1552. Here!

1553. Cheers.

1554. I got to take a piss.

1555. Jaz can be many people with his singing,

1556. and he just decided to be, you know, the voice of Satan;

1557. THE MOST VICIOUS ALBUM OF THE YEAR

1558. That was an incredible album. I really, really thought that was an incredibly powerful album.

1559. Andy Gill from the Gang of Four produced it,

1560. Youth played on it, Dave Grohl was on drums.

1561. I'm just doing the drums, they've finished the whole record...

1562. Yeah it's the first record I've ever done where the drums come last.

1563. Grohl's drumming was, funnily enough

1564. it's almost like a, an amalgam of Martin Atkins and Big Paul's,

1565. because it has that technical proficiency that Atkins has, and that sort of strangeness,

1566. combined with the sheer wallop that Big Paul has.

1567. Full volume! Yeah.

1568. When I heard that Dave Grohl was playing drums,

1569. I thought, “Yeah bollocks, another fucking Jaz and Geordie scam';

1570. but, if anyone can do it, they can do it...

1571. Eh Dave?

1572. Here you go, here you go.

1573. This ones for

1574. for the God of Fertility.

1575. Call up, get through, and say, “Oi, you cunt, you fucking, you owe us

1576. for that fucking song that made you so... I want you to play drums!"

1577. What about Eighties? Look in the camera!

1578. Look in the camera!

1579. What the fuck are we going to do about Eighties?

1580. Dave Grohl did it for nothing,

1581. you know, I mean, was Nirvana influenced by Killing Joke? Absolutely.

1582. We were all blown away,

1583. someone said, like, here's that new Killing Joke...

1584. Put it into the CD,

1585. it was what we listened to every night before we would go on stage.

1586. Every night we would listen to that fucking CD, those six songs,

1587. to the point where, when we hit the stage we were already sweating.

1588. Ha ha ha...

1589. You tell him I'm an asteroid, fuck you.

1590. A friend of mine was playing keyboards for Killing Joke...

1591. he started getting quite scared about, I think, touring with these guys,

1592. and he asked me about taking over for a couple of tours here and there

1593. while he was doing other things and so I decided to do it...

1594. Joined the band in Prague,

1595. and even being driven from the airport to the studio

1596. studio the person driving me was saying, “Are you sure you're ready for this?"

1597. After the whole national anthem thing at the Rugby World Cup

1598. things got pretty ugly,

1599. and I got death threats from rednecks in New Zealand.

1600. Killing Joke had played in Prague very shortly after the revolution,

1601. and I wanted to return to Prague.

1602. After this things happened at breakneck speed

1603. The Prague Symphony Orchestra

1604. offered me the position of Composer in Residence

1605. I ended up doing the Cechomor album,'Promeny',

1606. which went on to get

1607. three Grammys,

1608. a movie was made about it

1609. that won the Carlsbad

1610. International Film Festival.

1611. And behind all

1612. the veneer of

1613. going to Prague because it's

1614. a Mecca for great composers like

1615. Mozart and Beethoven,

1616. was the fact that Prague,

1617. the Golden City,

1618. held the secrets of the mystery tradition,

1619. and at the heart of this city,

1620. the birth of the Rosicrucian tradition,

1621. and the mysteries of

1622. life and death itself.

1623. Here at Obecni Dum

1624. we are no more than forty metres from

1625. the Black Madonna of Celetna.

1626. These Black Madonnas

1627. have curious properties,

1628. the Knights Templar

1629. situated them over underground streams

1630. following similar principles of acupuncture,

1631. like needles going into the veins

1632. of the body of the god;

1633. releases energy.

1634. All who live here,

1635. all their thoughts are amplified.

1636. Of course,

1637. the energy in these areas

1638. sends some people mad.

1639. Blood was shed during that album and not like,

1640. fisticuffs and tea cups;

1641. they fucked each other up at times

1642. during that record,

1643. the drummer nearly couldn't play drums anymore

1644. particular incident, you know,

1645. it was pretty dark.

1646. I don't play that album anymore

1647. because it's quite stressful to listen to...

1648. I've never listened to it once.

1649. It was an insane recording

1650. where everybody went absolutely crazy

1651. in Prague on every level.

1652. There was drugs and alcohol,

1653. a lot of things in the mix at that time.

1654. It was a non stop binge pretty much

1655. for the first few months.

1656. Blind drunk or argumentative is Jaz Coleman and Geordie,

1657. that's it,

1658. yeah I think they have a self destruct button.

1659. Jaz Coleman,

1660. Ya...

1661. the man they call Jaz Coleman anyway...

1662. oh look...

1663. All Blacks.

1664. When Paul left,

1665. right before we went on tour with Hosannas,

1666. he went and joined Ministry,

1667. which caused a lot of friction in the band.

1668. That's three times he's done this to me

1669. in twenty four years.

1670. How do you think I feel?

1671. He cares nothing for friendship.

1672. He tried to fuck us,

1673. and more than that,

1674. he tried to take our keyboard player

1675. for the Ministry tour.

1676. He tried to kill Killing Joke,

1677. and if I ever see him,

1678. either I die,

1679. or he dies.

1680. Paul had left a number of times

1681. it was part of what happened in Killing Joke you know,

1682. so, there was always an expectation

1683. that Paul would come back at some point.

1684. Raven would return to that band after

1685. terrible things have happened between them,

1686. I remember him talking about

1687. the Outside the Gate album and how, you know,

1688. Jaz was obviously using Gematria

1689. and Raven said,

1690. “if you want a hit record phone Stock,

1691. Aitken and Waterman, don't phone the Devil.

1692. And then they're playing together again on

1693. Various Repressed Emotions.

1694. It's a love/hate thing it's not just...

1695. It's family basically,

1696. once it's family there's no escape from it,

1697. it's there forever,

1698. and Raven was a latecomer but...

1699. I think Raven's death

1700. was such a shock to everyone,

1701. it's one of those things which

1702. which makes everybody take stock

1703. and think about this thing

1704. which is Killing Joke.

1705. When that obituary went out it was published...

1706. online and offline

1707. on just about every publication

1708. on the planet.

1709. We always knew the reach of the band,

1710. but I think we sort of looked at each other and thought,

1711. blimey, it's like people really

1712. do give a fuck about this band

1713. and they really did give a fuck about Paul.

1714. Ah, that's great actually.

1715. Yeah, my lettering, thanks Mike,

1716. thanks for the fucking nod in.

1717. We used to have this phrase,

1718. "walking at a thousand miles an hour towards death

1719. and together we both go,

1720. grinning as we go.

1721. Because death is like, always around the corner and

1722. people are always passing but

1723. I didn't, kind of,

1724. foresee the youngest of us going.

1725. Paul lived his life like a pirate so I think

1726. we'd all be lying if we said that,

1727. yes it was a shock, but, you know...

1728. In hindsight, you know,

1729. Paul lived the way that he liked to live.

1730. Obviously it was sadder

1731. for the family and for his kids

1732. than it was for Paul,

1733. but you know, you're big boys

1734. you know the game.

1735. Looks just like you mate.

1736. Thanks.

1737. What do I make of Paul?

1738. I miss him,

1739. had some fucking...

1740. 'excuse me,

1741. had some really beautiful times with him.

1742. In his own way he had a

1743. a really magnetic, bass playing,

1744. Capricorn,

1745. walk all over you but I'll love you,

1746. way about him;

1747. I love the man.

1748. Great to see you.

1749. After Paul had died and we were in Geneva,

1750. the first time Jaz and Paul had seen each other

1751. for a large number of years at that point.

1752. Killing Joke had been a pain

1753. in the pit of my stomach for years.

1754. Every year, without fail,

1755. something would come along

1756. that would just needle the hell out of me.

1757. It would be a new record, a new tour,

1758. a different drummer, this, that and the other,

1759. it was exhausting me,

1760. because,

1761. when I could stomach it,

1762. I'd listen to a record,

1763. and it was like nothing had changed

1764. and I felt like I was on the record.

1765. The only thing I'd ever played,

1766. really, for was Killing Joke,

1767. you know, don't ask me to join a cover band.

1768. So I went and pursued my other interests

1769. of art restoration

1770. and I put down sticks.

1771. It was only when Raven died

1772. that I realised I'd let it go,

1773. once I'd let it go

1774. it was no problem to see Jaz,

1775. and there we were, it was a funeral for our brother...

1776. Geordie said, “Well,

1777. do you fancy giving it another kick?"

1778. and I said, ”Yeah, yeah",

1779. not really taking it that seriously,

1780. and then of course, they were serious. and then of course, they were serious.

1781. Paul said to me, "Well,

1782. took me ten years of therapy to get over that lot,

1783. you know what I mean?

1784. And now you're asking me to come back in!”

1785. On a very sad occasion

1786. it was good that something good came out of it.

1787. It's the ritual you see?

1788. Seriously, that's what they really believe,

1789. that that ritual that started them

1790. is what brings them back together

1791. and ultimately completes the circle.

1792. Raven had always said to me,

1793. “Jaz, if you get the chance to do the original line up do it!"

1794. so it felt like, kind of,

1795. the whole thing was blessed by him.

1796. I felt his presence

1797. with me

1798. at this time,

1799. I felt him in the room, this presence.

1800. Absolute Dissent put in somewhere?

1801. What about something like Exit?

1802. When Paul first joined I thought he was deliberately putting sticks

1803. in the wheels of things,

1804. you really, almost, couldn't do anything,

1805. without Paul going, like

1806. "I'm not into that'or whatever else...

1807. You suddenly had the realisation,

1808. ”You really are Killing Jake's drummer aren't you?"

1809. But the intensity of the four of them's relationship,

1810. even if they were just mates

1811. that worked in a factory,

1812. it's very full on

1813. and they've had massive effects,

1814. positively and negatively,

1815. on each other's lives,

1816. and Paul coming back into the fold,

1817. he was just trying to map out

1818. every little thing so he didn't get fucked.

1819. And I don't mean get fucked by the three of the band

1820. or by us two,

1821. but like,

1822. in his head almost, so he didn't let himself go

1823. down one of the corridors

1824. that he'd been down in the past.

1825. It's an absurd thing to have been away from

1826. a rock band for so long,

1827. to step back into this world,

1828. but I felt that

1829. we could see if we could find

1830. a common ground again to express

1831. the things that I need to express in life,

1832. with the way things are going

1833. with the corporate elite,

1834. with the

1835. police state that we're living in.

1836. I want to hammer out the drums and scream

1837. with rage...

1838. and that's where Killing Joke started

1839. and!

1840. That's why I'm back, you know.

1841. I remember asking Jaz, what it was about

1842. Killing Joke's music that kept people coming back,

1843. and Jaz saying,

1844. “Oh you're talking about the fifth member",

1845. and I said, ”Am I?"

1846. and he said, “Yes, when I talk about my managers

1847. people think I'm talking about somebody made of flesh and blood,

1848. that's not what I'm talking about.

1849. If you know the fifth member

1850. then

1851. you will keep coming back to him or Killing Joke."

1852. The fifth member being?

1853. The Force.

1854. In a way it made sense, because,

1855. you know, I'd been listening to this music

1856. since I was fourteen years old,

1857. and I kept coming back.

1858. Just about everybody in Killing Joke has been sent mad,

1859. has been burnt by this fire,

1860. and!

1861. I've got to be honest

1862. I was really angry and I felt that

1863. Paul had betrayed us but...

1864. That can't explain the entirety of Paul

1865. and all the years, I probably spent more time with him

1866. than any other human being on the planet.

1867. Prepared myself for Pradakshina, or Giri Valam,

1868. which is, basically, you walk around

1869. the fifty two shrines of the Holy Mountain

1870. in south India.

1871. And I took Paul's ashes

1872. to the High Priest at the temple,

1873. and!

1874. And, they did this huge fire ritual

1875. to Agni,

1876. and then I got taken to this river,

1877. and I put the flowers in the river,

1878. the sacred river

1879. and I let Paul's ashes go.

1880. And then I knew he'd got through,

1881. right the way to the other side.

1882. In '81, '82, when

1883. I became inflamed by this idea,

1884. my colleagues were well aware of it,

1885. and everyone thought I was,

1886. justifiably, mad.

1887. Examining all the different references

1888. to the island,

1889. references to a southern island in

1890. Dante's Divine Comedy,

1891. Francis Bacon's New Atlantis,

1892. where he describes an island, again,

1893. in the Pacific,

1894. that would survive the great combustion.

1895. The reference to an island

1896. in Crowley's Book of the Law.

1897. Then there was the Fulcanelli Group

1898. in The Mystery of the Cathedrals

1899. where they refer to

1900. the Northern Hemisphere being destroyed by fire...

1901. The island is imaginary but periodically

1902. it has a reflex action on the Earth...

1903. and that island, Cythera,

1904. becomes very real,

1905. and the players in the dream

1906. become gods,

1907. and that,

1908. that's my reality,

1909. and everybody has to accept that

1910. a madman's dreams

1911. not only became true but engulfed them also.

1912. One interview I did with them

1913. he said,“I've found Killing Joke island",

1914. as the Gatherer's now call it.

1915. And he said, “Mum!

1916. I've found it."

1917. Geordie found the place didn't he?

1918. Because they're fishermen they like to fish,

1919. that's where Jeremy found his way he said.

1920. Choose ye an island, fortify it;

1921. well I mean he said that several times...

1922. he believed that island was here in New Zealand,

1923. and I believe that too.

1924. There's all sorts of legends about New Zealand

1925. being an ancient part of that motherland,

1926. and also legends about volcanic activity

1927. and land rising again too,

1928. and some of these things I've checked out scientifically,

1929. So,

1930. it's not a matter of if it's going to happen,

1931. it's when it's going to happen.

1932. Where is it exactly?

1933. I see the earth rising, a second time,

1934. out of the foam, fair and green,

1935. down from the fells,

1936. fish to capture,

1937. wings to eagle,

1938. water to flow.

1939. There's something

1940. about the island

1941. that's absent in everything

1942. we've done with Killing Joke,

1943. in the same way

1944. we've never done a single love song

1945. in Killing Joke.

1946. Cythera

1947. almost gives it away,

1948. well people just see you as

1949. stark, raving mad,

1950. and then they're forced to accept

1951. what you dreamt

1952. was a reality;

1953. this is a victory.

1954. 2012, MrJaz Coleman

1955. who leads all things Killing Joke.

1956. I don't think it's the end of the world

1957. I've got to be clear about this,

1958. we're told by all the indigenous cultures

1959. that there's going to be a huge upheaval.

1960. Economically none of our cash is redeemed by gold,

1961. it doesn't add up,

1962. people are in debt,

1963. and they're tired,

1964. and they don't know how to feed their families,

1965. we cannot trust the food in the supermarkets,

1966. two thirds of the world on

1967. one dollar a day and less,

1968. and this is increasing,

1969. we can see that the West

1970. has lost all moral authority;

1971. if there's going to be any legacy of Killing Joke

1972. it's about self-educating.

1973. Every artist is an initiate

1974. who knows the point of exchange

1975. between the spiritual world and the material world...

1976. as you are familiar with the Kabbalah,

1977. like Tiphareth, the beauty who reigns

1978. at the centre of the Tree of Life;

1979. Jeremy Jaz Coleman

1980. I knight you with the

1981. National Order of Arts and Letters.

1982. The higher you go to the forces of light,

1983. the lower you must plunge

1984. to the forces of darkness simultaneously.

1985. The darkness that others have perceived,

1986. is simply the individuated personality,

1987. which others suppress,

1988. but we do not.

1989. We consciously release our dark sides

1990. within

1991. the music.

1992. Christ, you're in your fucking 50's,

1993. you get your band back together,

1994. there's still people interested...

1995. Raven aside, you know,

1996. we've survived,

1997. and that in itself is success...

1998. Can we not

1999. abuse the fucking privilege?

2000. It's a fucking gift from the gods,

2001. it is,

2002. that's the only way I can look at it.

2003. Killing Joke is my life,

2004. my world,

2005. everything.

2006. I saw them in the 80's,

2007. brought up with them in the 80's,

2008. and I brought my children tonight to see them,

2009. and I think I've converted them.

2010. If you cut my soul in half,

2011. and you went like that,

2012. it would sound like Killing Joke.

2013. Give us inspiration,

2014. give us strength, give us courage.

2015. Big Paul once said,

2016. it's the sound of the Earth vomiting,

2017. and it kind of is,

2018. and more than that, because,

2019. this was born in a very conscious way

2020. into being something more than entertainment.

2021. This is why the band

2022. Stay. .-...

2023. absolutely true to everything

2024. they ever were because

2025. they were born in ritual.

2026. In the beginning of Killing Joke,

2027. Killing Joke represented

2028. the feeling of

2029. having no control

2030. over your destiny,

2031. but over the years

2032. Killing Joke became

2033. the laughter, of knowing,

2034. that one has total control

2035. over one's destiny. that one has total control

2036. over one's destiny.