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at home, at a race,
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whatever, and they're all clean.
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He's in Moscow.
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- Hmm.
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- Then give sample... and prove negative.
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- Max.
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Just send you everything I'm gonna take?
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Yes.
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- Yeah, it's all on your regimen sheet.
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It's gonna go above.
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Stop it.
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for a decade and a half,
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and Major League Baseball.
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It's a ding!
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track and field and Russia.
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Is it gonna pass over?
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- Do you have a charger? All right.
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What's your comfort level?
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- You can find someone else.
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I don't know what you would label Grigory.
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I don't like this shit.
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But again, I am under heavy control.
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I'm a very dangerous person.
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Some urines from you.
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then we homogenize
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for smuggling urine, and...
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Max!
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- No, no, no.
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Maybe we should get you some pom-poms.
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with what was then the Soviets.
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would invite Soviets to come to the US
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that they wanted to test,
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where the Soviets were watching.
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at Moscow University.
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to swim, to ski.
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Next year, he has muscles.
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this simple thing.
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like Olympic,
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417. you cannot afford any more training camp.
Copy !req
418. So, I graduated to Moscow University,
to the chemical department.
Copy !req
419. I liked doping control. I liked sports.
Copy !req
420. And since 1985, I worked in the top field
of laboratories in the world.
Copy !req
421. And then, Moscow laboratory
was doing mistake by mistake.
Copy !req
422. "We need a new director,
and it will be upheld by WADA."
Copy !req
423. That's how I became director.
Copy !req
424. Should I be taking the HGH
and the testosterone now?
Copy !req
425. Let's look at your protocol.
Copy !req
426. I have to sketch all schematics,
starting from the new year.
Copy !req
427. - We'll sit down with a piece of paper.
- Yes.
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428. With the piss and then with the tubes.
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429. We take just a fraction.
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430. And then it will be coded
and took for analysis.
Copy !req
431. So, here's day one. Okay?
Here's day two.
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432. Here's day three, day four, day five.
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433. Seven, eight, nine.
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434. We have nine urines. Okay.
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435. So we are starting—
And that one, I just took.
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436. Is that enough? Or do I need any more?
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437. It's okay.
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438. Okay.
Copy !req
439. - Three, three, three.
- I hear you got the real code.
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440. I am mafia.
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441. This is mafia.
Copy !req
442. Chased by WADA.
Copy !req
443. Could you imagine, the best laboratory
will be puzzled with your piss?
Copy !req
444. In Russia, the empire of evil.
Copy !req
445. Propaganda.
Copy !req
446. - Fantastic.
- Oh, God. What is that?
Copy !req
447. It's flakes. Your flakes.
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448. What is that? What is that?
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449. Your sins.
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450. And on the top.
Copy !req
451. When I come to Moscow
in September, after the race, I can drink.
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452. Okay, next time. Next time, if I survive.
Copy !req
453. At my lab, WADA is keeping laboratory
on a very short leash. Leash?
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454. Asking many questions.
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455. All sort of bullshit.
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456. Like, "Where is your...
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457. underground laboratory for pre-testing?
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458. Where is the shadow laboratory?"
Copy !req
459. Of course, my laboratory is fully under...
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460. cameras and everything,
computers, barcodes...
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461. But they were looking for something.
Copy !req
462. - Like a secret lab?
- Yes, yes, yes, yes, underground.
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463. - Batman?
- Yes, yes.
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464. Who owns the lab?
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465. - The state.
- The state does?
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466. Yes.
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467. Okay, we have Terminal One,
departing flight.
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468. Keep it. It's my donation.
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469. - No, no, no!
- No, no, no.
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470. I have a lot, you see.
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471. All people are presenting me with pens,
so I have full collection.
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472. - Remember me.
- I will.
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473. - So I'm gonna see you—
- So, so, so nice with you.
Copy !req
474. - Grigory, thanks for coming.
- Yes.
Copy !req
475. Be very careful
with what you are recording.
Copy !req
476. It's not permitted.
It's like pornography and erotics.
Copy !req
477. Sports pornography and erotics.
Copy !req
478. Now we are...
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479. And I see you, uh, in September.
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480. Yes, definitely.
Copy !req
481. Did you go to Moscow?
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482. No, I did not, and Dick Pound did not.
Copy !req
483. We wanted to send an investigative group
of WADA specialists into the Moscow lab.
Copy !req
484. The director of the lab,
he was the last fail-safe position, right?
Copy !req
485. If there is a sample
that's potentially positive,
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486. where can you stop it from being reported?
Copy !req
487. In the lab.
Copy !req
488. So he was interviewed.
Didn't provide us with much information.
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489. Please tell me all my frozen piss
didn't explode in your bag.
Copy !req
490. But this is big secret.
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491. Bryan, I have all urines.
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492. We analyzed urines
for your steroid profile.
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493. Everything is kept frozen.
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494. - I have a full agenda, so don't worry.
- Okay.
Copy !req
495. We did preliminary tests,
but not much.
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496. When WADA will leave...
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497. They are leaving tomorrow night.
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498. Then maybe Friday,
or maybe Monday, anyway—
Copy !req
499. WADA's there bothering you?
Copy !req
500. It's much more challenging.
Copy !req
501. WADA is sniffing
and asking tons of questions.
Copy !req
502. - Dick Pound... You know, Dick Pound?
- Yes
Copy !req
503. He's starting to understand
it's very difficult to prove something.
Copy !req
504. What do you see the outcome
or the solution as?
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505. We will see.
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506. You just focus on racing.
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507. Keep digging, keep digging.
Keep digging, come on.
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508. Come on, you got it.
Come on. Four, two, one.
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509. Taking it down. Taking it down.
Copy !req
510. This is already better than last time.
Copy !req
511. Last year, 250 watts. This year, 349.
It's 100 watts.
Copy !req
512. My power right now is 20% more
than I had last year.
Copy !req
513. Yes, yes, finally you have some gains.
Some gain, some progression.
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514. I can't wait to come to Moscow.
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515. Bryan, it will be fantastic.
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516. I shouldn't bring any EPO with me
to Europe, right?
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517. No.
Okay.
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518. You complete everything
until 17th.
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519. - The last injection is on US soil.
- Okay.
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520. Before passing the border
and the customs.
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521. Then you're taking urine with you to me,
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522. and we'll complete
your biological passport.
Copy !req
523. That's it.
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524. Words cannot describe
what you'll be living through this week.
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525. Your body's gonna shut down.
It's gonna break down entirely.
Copy !req
526. We are on
the French Cycling Federation calendar,
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527. and we do have an anti-doping policy.
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528. As far as testing for PEDs,
the race says that they do.
Copy !req
529. They may come and test,
just so you're aware.
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530. As I came to learn, they don't.
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531. Don't worry.
But I had Grigory.
Copy !req
532. He had helped me dope,
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533. and he was gonna test my samples
through his WADA lab in Moscow.
Copy !req
534. So, be clever.
Copy !req
535. I have not done a urine sample
since I've been here.
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536. You are like a pioneer.
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537. So I'm gonna pee
in this little bag here.
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538. You are a victim
of your ideas.
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539. August 21st.
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540. See you at the end.
And good luck tomorrow.
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541. Start time tomorrow morning,
7:15.
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542. Right here.
I am like a priest.
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543. I am healing your doping paranoia.
Copy !req
544. You are free. You have enough power,
and God is with you.
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545. You are sentenced to win.
Copy !req
546. So the scheme was now in place.
Copy !req
547. Raise your arms!
Copy !req
548. Are you ready?
Copy !req
549. Start!
Copy !req
550. Ninety, ninety. That's it.
Copy !req
551. You did great.
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552. You were three and a half minutes
behind Pouly.
Copy !req
553. - That's not bad.
- No, that's fucking great.
Copy !req
554. You guys were hauling ass.
Copy !req
555. Bryan's in that group data.
He's in there with the top ten guys.
Copy !req
556. All the guys in the top ten
are incredible.
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557. Very good.
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558. They could be pro.
Copy !req
559. Medium-sized monster.
Copy !req
560. Bryan Fogel, can you hear me?
Copy !req
561. Can't raise him on the walkie-talkie.
Bryan, come back.
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562. - Bryan!
- Yeah?
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563. It has to be charged.
Copy !req
564. The battery's dead.
It needed to be charged.
Copy !req
565. Now it won't go up. You see?
Dead. It's totally dead.
Copy !req
566. Fuck!
Copy !req
567. My derailleur, my shifting,
it broke.
Copy !req
568. - Your bike?
- Yes.
Copy !req
569. You cannot shift your gears?
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570. For 100 kilometers.
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571. My goodness.
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572. - I dropped ten places in the rankings.
- Okay. Hmm.
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573. My God.
Copy !req
574. I feel
that I'm really stronger this year.
Copy !req
575. - Like, that I'm recovering.
- Yeah.
Copy !req
576. I mean, I'm hauling ass,
but they're...
Copy !req
577. I'm not beating 'em.
They're in a different—
Copy !req
578. There's guys that I don't know
that you could've beat on your best day.
Copy !req
579. My whole plan was
Copy !req
580. to have a substantially
better performance this year.
Copy !req
581. And...
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582. I'm not.
Copy !req
583. Did you just get separated
or what?
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584. Neutral descent now?
Copy !req
585. Does it hurt that you did
better last year than you did this year?
Copy !req
586. I mean, I could have been 21 years old
Copy !req
587. and taken all the blood bags
and EPO in the world,
Copy !req
588. and I was still not going to be
a Tour de France champion.
Copy !req
589. It doesn't matter.
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590. Just stay optimistic.
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591. Because now, we can change nothing.
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592. The winner, Peter Pouly.
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593. I felt pretty good. I just had—
No, no, no.
Copy !req
594. I've just had some bad luck days.
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595. Bryan, look at me.
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596. Stop it.
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597. You are what you are. I am what I am.
Copy !req
598. It's a turning point, what we are doing.
Copy !req
599. You should be happy
that we have such fantastic material.
Copy !req
600. We have ten times more information
than Dick Pound and Armstrong together.
Copy !req
601. - Really?
- We will continue. Don't worry.
Copy !req
602. You are just like in the reception.
You did not enter the first floor.
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603. Then there is a second and so on.
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604. What's on the second floor?
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605. When you go to Moscow,
you will see.
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606. So cool.
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607. How many tests...
I've probably had 15 or 20 blood tests.
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608. - It's more than enough.
- Okay.
Copy !req
609. - Is this the laboratory?
- Yes.
Copy !req
610. Oh, you see, this is bloody RUSADA.
Copy !req
611. Bringing samples, it's not too good
to show our camera to them.
Copy !req
612. - Oh. You want us to hide?
- Yes, yes, yes.
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613. Okay.
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614. Be very careful with all your material.
Copy !req
615. - People are very sensitive also, you know.
- Yes.
Copy !req
616. This is my director place.
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617. It's the most famous laboratory
in the world.
Copy !req
618. We cannot say explicitly
that you have been analyzed.
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619. It's coming.
I already solved everything yesterday.
Copy !req
620. You will have it until, let's say...
Within two weeks, we will do this.
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621. But it should be done still,
say, under the table, not...
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622. Smile. Your race is over.
We have to go downstairs.
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623. Are there scientists,
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624. or those working
in WADA laboratories today,
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625. that you suspect
could have been corrupted?
Copy !req
626. Each director of laboratory,
like me...
Copy !req
627. I have to sign a code of ethics,
Copy !req
628. that what we are doing
is not harmful or detrimental
Copy !req
629. to the whole anti-doping society.
Copy !req
630. We go down this emergency exit.
Copy !req
631. What did Russia have to do
Copy !req
632. with the hiding blood passports
of all the athletes?
Copy !req
633. Let's talk in my office.
Copy !req
634. If you hide fight against doping,
you cannot be 50% honest.
Copy !req
635. You have to be honest,
or you have to hide the ends.
Copy !req
636. It's the same as Orwell, 1984.
Copy !req
637. WADA is like a religion,
and you cannot escape.
Copy !req
638. You have to think about money,
but you cannot steal money.
Copy !req
639. You have to think about women,
Copy !req
640. but you have to be married
and don't go to prostitution.
Copy !req
641. But again...
Copy !req
642. almost everybody has some period
when they were sinners.
Copy !req
643. So what to do?
Copy !req
644. There is no answer.
Copy !req
645. For the last five months,
I took urine and then I did blood—
Copy !req
646. Yes, we have a good database.
Copy !req
647. How do we go about the analysis?
What do we wanna show?
Copy !req
648. How do we put together
Copy !req
649. - the bigger story arc?
- Bryan, be optimistic.
Copy !req
650. Smile.
Copy !req
651. I have vodka for you.
Copy !req
652. - You do?
- Yes.
Copy !req
653. - The best vodka.
- What kind?
Copy !req
654. From Mordovia.
Copy !req
655. - Oh, awesome!
- You do drink vodka?
Copy !req
656. - Yeah, I like vodka.
- You like— I have vodka for you.
Copy !req
657. I've decided I'm not gonna leave Russia.
I'm gonna stay here.
Copy !req
658. You would like to stay?
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659. Russia is the most relaxing country
in the world.
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660. You think?
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661. No.
Copy !req
662. You having fun?
Copy !req
663. Yes, we have fun!
Copy !req
664. Smile.
Copy !req
665. Bryan!
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666. Ladies and gentlemen,
members of the media, welcome to Geneva.
Copy !req
667. Almost a year ago,
very serious doping allegations
Copy !req
668. were first raised
on German television channel ARD.
Copy !req
669. The WADA president, Sir Craig Reedie,
Copy !req
670. announced that a full and thorough inquiry
would be conducted.
Copy !req
671. The founding president
of the World Anti-Doping Agency,
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672. Mr. Dick Pound,
the chair of that commission.
Copy !req
673. Overwhelming portions of the allegations
made on the ARD program
Copy !req
674. have been found
by the Independent Commission to be true.
Copy !req
675. It's worse than we thought.
We have found cover-ups.
Copy !req
676. We found destruction
of samples in the laboratories.
Copy !req
677. We found payments of money
in order to conceal doping tests...
Copy !req
678. among others.
Copy !req
679. Our conclusion was that all
of this could not have happened,
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680. and continue to happen,
without the knowledge of
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681. and either actual or implied consent
of the state authorities.
Copy !req
682. You reading this?
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683. Forty pages of this report is Grigory.
Copy !req
684. It's hard to imagine
Copy !req
685. what the Russian state interest
in athletes' urine would be.
Copy !req
686. One of our big concerns about tests
were the 1,400 that were destroyed
Copy !req
687. by the director of the Moscow laboratory.
Copy !req
688. In fact, our recommendation
is the director of the laboratory
Copy !req
689. be removed from his position,
that the WADA accreditation be withdrawn,
Copy !req
690. and the Russian Federation be suspended.
Copy !req
691. Bryan, hi.
Hi.
Copy !req
692. Where did Grigory go?
Copy !req
693. I've been crying.
Copy !req
694. Yes, I am with him,
Copy !req
695. and I think maybe you want
to speak with him.
Copy !req
696. Maybe he's a little bit nervous.
Copy !req
697. - I'm so sorry.
- Bryan.
Copy !req
698. I'm not— I'm sorry. I'm trying
to understand what you're saying.
Copy !req
699. I'm absolutely saying
that we will overturn all this bullshit,
Copy !req
700. and it will be upside down.
Copy !req
701. So, Bryan,
I hardly could talk to you tonight.
Copy !req
702. The details are damning
Copy !req
703. and could have a profound impact
on the future of Russian athletics.
Copy !req
704. This WADA commission
has accused Russian athletics
Copy !req
705. of state-sponsored doping.
Copy !req
706. We are preparing our response
to again provide any explanation needed.
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707. That's all I can say at this point.
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708. Does this mean they could potentially miss
next year's Olympics?
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709. Well, that is certainly
one of the potential outcomes here.
Copy !req
710. The International Olympic Committee
have released a statement.
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711. You will see athletes
being sanctioned by the IAAF.
Copy !req
712. You will see athletes
and officials being excluded.
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713. And you will see an action led by the IOC.
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714. We'll apply this zero-tolerance policy.
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715. Decision time for the IAAF
Copy !req
716. on whether Russia's
track and field athletes
Copy !req
717. will be allowed
to compete at the Rio Olympics.
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718. I want to hear
what the Athletics Federation of Russia
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719. is actually saying
in answer to those allegations.
Copy !req
720. The Sports Minister,
Vitaly Mutko, has said,
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721. "Russia took all the necessary measures,"
he says, "to fight the doping problem.
Copy !req
722. Moscow's anti-doping lab
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723. was recently recognized
as one of the best in the world."
Copy !req
724. You don't want to talk to us?
Copy !req
725. Well, the employees at this lab
are clearly being very tight-lipped,
Copy !req
726. but the report
from the World Anti-Doping Agency
Copy !req
727. goes into great detail
Copy !req
728. describing the alleged activities
inside that building.
Copy !req
729. There are around
50 correspondents
Copy !req
730. behind my fence, but I am here.
Copy !req
731. And I am not supposed to talk.
Copy !req
732. Bryan, stay quiet.
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733. You're a lucky man.
Only you, knowing me.
Copy !req
734. Holy shit.
Copy !req
735. The World Anti-Doping Agency suspended
Russia's sports drug-testing lab,
Copy !req
736. and the head of the lab resigned.
Copy !req
737. Grisha,
be careful what you tell him now.
Copy !req
738. Don't tell me. I am just—
Copy !req
739. They're holding
on the phone for you.
Copy !req
740. Tell them I'll call back—
It sounds serious.
Copy !req
741. I'll call back in five minutes!
Copy !req
742. Okay, but will you?
Yes, go away!
Copy !req
743. Fine.
Copy !req
744. Bryan...
Copy !req
745. It's a disaster.
Copy !req
746. They're just killing people.
Copy !req
747. Cutting heads, you know,
without who is guilty.
Copy !req
748. Yesterday, you know,
I went to Minister Mutko,
Copy !req
749. and we started to discuss.
Copy !req
750. He was talking,
blah, blah, blah, about football.
Copy !req
751. Uh, blah, blah, blah, about Formula 1.
Copy !req
752. Then to say what to do with bloody doping.
Copy !req
753. But he say, "Could you resign?"
I go, "Yes."
Copy !req
754. "Today?"Yes, today."
Copy !req
755. And I resigned.
Copy !req
756. And...
Copy !req
757. they lost director.
Copy !req
758. I have a lot of calls,
but I'm just changing my telephones.
Copy !req
759. People are looking for their job,
but laboratory is almost empty.
Copy !req
760. Empty.
Copy !req
761. I don't know what's going on.
Copy !req
762. I just know what I'm reading
in the newspaper and in the press and...
Copy !req
763. You know.
Copy !req
764. Oh, really? Really?
Copy !req
765. I mean, will they come after you?
Copy !req
766. Are they gonna arrest you?
Are they gonna...
Copy !req
767. Would they try to put you in jail?
Copy !req
768. In jail? No.
Copy !req
769. What is the reason for jail?
Copy !req
770. - You know.
- No.
Copy !req
771. Are you in any danger?
Copy !req
772. Yes, but not jail.
It could be some... I don't know.
Copy !req
773. - I mean—
- Do you know that I am now moving
Copy !req
774. with a security man?
Copy !req
775. Security guard.
Copy !req
776. No.
Copy !req
777. Just a security guard in my home.
Copy !req
778. - In your home?
- Coming to my car.
Copy !req
779. I'm following behind.
Copy !req
780. It's recommended
until the end of the week,
Copy !req
781. because I am the only man
who can kill both sides.
Copy !req
782. Russia and WADA, so...
Copy !req
783. Stay quiet.
Copy !req
784. Let me say this.
Copy !req
785. In reality,
the Independent Commission's report
Copy !req
786. and statements made by Mr. Pound
are exaggerated.
Copy !req
787. We've even built a modern,
state-of-the-art anti-doping laboratory
Copy !req
788. that is renowned for its testing
Copy !req
789. for the Olympics, Paralympics,
championships and more,
Copy !req
790. and received the highest merits
for its contributions.
Copy !req
791. The government is merely financing
the laboratory operation.
Copy !req
792. They don't accept
this Independent Commission at all.
Copy !req
793. They're deliberately lying.
Copy !req
794. Bryan, Bryan...
Copy !req
795. - look at me.
- Okay.
Copy !req
796. It means I could be tossed
under the bus anytime.
Copy !req
797. I'm not sure
that we are connecting freely.
Copy !req
798. Because now we are on radar,
that's for sure.
Copy !req
799. You know Snowden?
Copy !req
800. Yeah, of course.
Copy !req
801. Now you see.
Copy !req
802. We still don't know...
We still don't know
Copy !req
803. whether Russia is participating
in Olympic Games or not.
Copy !req
804. The outcome, why I am very much
cautious about my life...
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805. If me will be purged...
Copy !req
806. okay, Russia will go to the Olympics.
Copy !req
807. The problem is to survive.
Copy !req
808. - Listen, I, uh...
- Yes.
Copy !req
809. - Joking, you know, seriousness aside...
- Stop it. Stop, stop.
Copy !req
810. I'm just... I'm worried about you.
Copy !req
811. Yes, yes.
Copy !req
812. Tomorrow, I drop you.
Copy !req
813. And then, when I say...
Copy !req
814. "How is weather in Los Angeles?"
or anything related to weather...
Copy !req
815. it means that we will talk
in 15, 20 minutes.
Copy !req
816. Be ready to talk.
Copy !req
817. Tonight, our sport
finds itself in a shameful situation.
Copy !req
818. And that is why I can confirm
the council has overwhelmingly voted,
Copy !req
819. with immediate effect,
to suspend the Russian Federation.
Copy !req
820. It's done so, uh, by 22 votes to one.
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821. It is the strongest sanction...
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822. Regarding the recent events
Copy !req
823. connected to our track and field team,
Copy !req
824. I urge the sports minister
and all my sports colleagues
Copy !req
825. to make this their number one priority.
Copy !req
826. This is the first step.
Copy !req
827. Secondly, it is vital to conduct
our own internal investigation.
Copy !req
828. Sport should be fair.
Copy !req
829. Responsibility should be personalized
and absolute.
Copy !req
830. Bryan...
Copy !req
831. I need... Wait, look at me.
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832. Yeah.
Copy !req
833. I need to escape and to walk... to walk...
Copy !req
834. You can go wherever you want.
Copy !req
835. - Okay.
- I will be doggy-sitting at your home.
Copy !req
836. So you wanna get out?
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837. Yes. Simply.
Copy !req
838. What do you want to, uh...
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839. It's very suspicious when you have
one-way ticket, you know.
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840. Yeah, right.
You have to book a round trip.
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841. They're watching us.
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842. - Bryan?
- Yeah.
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843. What I am doing,
myself, I can do nothing.
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844. - So...
- Okay?
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845. I'll send you... Let me figure out
some flight options, okay?
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846. Okay.
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847. I'm gonna get the flight,
right now.
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848. - Yes, right now.
- Okay.
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849. Go.
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850. Also, some security measures will be set.
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851. How will I know
that you made it through okay?
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852. Um...
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853. I don't know.
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854. Okay?
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855. Okay.
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856. Okay.
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857. - Bryan?
- Yeah, I'm right here.
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858. - Okay, just left my security man.
- Okay.
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859. I am very much dizzy,
paranoid.
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860. We'll get you here.
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861. My wife and children decided
maybe it's better to stay in Russia.
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862. Just gotta make sure in the US
that you're okay also.
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863. My daughter...
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864. Yes?
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865. She's getting married.
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866. Right.
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867. Married, everything.
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868. It's time.
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869. Okay.
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870. Cross fingers now.
You, too.
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871. Remember Orwell.
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872. "We will meet each other
where there is no darkness."
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873. When I first interviewed you
a year ago,
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874. I asked you if you thought
your investigation
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875. would be a defining moment
in the history of sport.
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876. How would you answer that question now?
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877. Yes, it can be a defining moment,
and I think it should.
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878. You've got your number one
Olympic sport in the crosshairs,
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879. and you've got one of the major
Olympic countries in the world
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880. in the crosshairs,
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881. even if it's the crosshairs
only on athletics at the moment.
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882. That has the potential of affecting
the credibility of all sport
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883. and, therefore,
the continued viability of all sport.
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884. Why would I watch an event that's fixed?
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885. There he is.
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886. - I'm here, yes!
- He's escaped.
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887. This is— Yes. Escaped alive.
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888. Come on.
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889. Then you did what?
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890. Destroyed my computer
from my working place.
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891. I took hard disk.
And also, I have three copies.
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892. It's a historical moment.
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893. Grigory, I want you to know
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894. that I understand your desire
to be visible
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895. and I think that's very important
for you, to be safe.
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896. I was on the phone yesterday
with the lawyer for Edward Snowden.
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897. They have some recommendations.
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898. I have everything with me,
and also I destroyed my office computer.
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899. Put it in a very safe place
and dropped there like a dummy.
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900. We'll talk in a few hours.
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901. This is, uh... This is it.
Uh-huh.
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902. It's like a labyrinth.
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903. Yeah.
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904. Okay, this is the place.
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905. - Good.
- Here's, um...
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906. bed, bathroom.
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907. Secure place.
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908. It's a good thing.
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909. This'll work, at least till we get
what the plan is
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910. and what we're gonna do.
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911. He goes to me.
He remembers me since May.
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912. You will be learning Russian.
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913. You will be learning Russian very soon.
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914. I'm missing dogs.
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915. There was one thing
that I noticed in the IC report,
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916. and that was that there were KGB people
hanging around the lab.
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917. And that's a real no-no.
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918. You know, KGB people are not nice people.
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919. So I am at home.
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920. We will banish all those
who have a suspicious reputation
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921. from the leadership of Russian athletics.
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922. In 60 days, we will present
the renewed athletics with new people...
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923. So, if the KGB...
I guess they're called the FSB now...
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924. they're in the lab,
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925. who else could finance them
but Vitaly Mutko?
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926. Oh, I don't think Vitaly Mutko
finances the FSB.
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927. - That's a state security operation.
- But... but Putin?
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928. Well, whoever finances it
and runs the state security apparatus,
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929. it's not the sport minister.
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930. Officials are essentially saying,
"There may be some problems,
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931. but we are trying
and have already taken steps
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932. to address those problems."
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933. And all of the officials
are essentially rejecting the idea
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934. that there's still a major problem.
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935. Honey, hi.
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936. I am here, far away and in the darkness.
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937. You see them all?
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938. Wearing fancy suits, ties,
making speeches on TV...
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939. It's all a farce.
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940. Of course
I was very disappointed
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941. when laboratory was closed.
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942. Now reading this IC report,
I am just watching with another's eyes.
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943. I know that I could change the past,
telling the truth.
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944. But would you like telling the truth,
you will be annihilated.
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945. George Orwell,
I was reading the first in 1989.
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946. I was 30.
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947. Before that time, in Soviet Union,
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948. the book 1984,
it was strictly, strictly prohibited.
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949. For me, it was totally shocking.
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950. Especially "ignorance is strength."
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951. This is the most powerful thing.
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952. It was my weapon.
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953. It gave me definitions,
it gave me coordinates
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954. how you can apply to your life.
Copy !req
955. It's like a road map.
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956. "'There are three stages
in your reintegration,' said O'Brien.
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957. 'There is learning,
there is understanding,
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958. and there is acceptance.
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959. It's time for you
to enter upon the first stage.'"
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960. I was thinking that we'd start...
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961. I ask you questions,
and you answer "yes" or "no."
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962. Does Russia have a systematic, statewide
doping system in place
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963. to cheat the Olympics?
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964. Yes.
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965. Were you the mastermind
of a statewide system
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966. that cheated the Olympics?
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967. Of course. Yes.
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968. Russia won a total of 73 medals
in the 2008 Beijing Olympics.
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969. How many of those athletes were dirty?
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970. Thirty.
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971. Russia won 81 total medals in London.
How many of those were dirty?
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972. Oh, even more.
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973. 50% is for sure. Let it be 50%.
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974. They were earned using special program.
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975. State-sponsored, of course.
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976. Was Putin aware of the existence
of a Russian doping system?
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977. Yes. Aware of my name.
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978. He took me from the prison
for such special affair.
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979. - From prison?
- Yes.
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980. To redeem.
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981. Okay, let's back up one sec here.
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982. My concern is that it's something
they would use to discredit you.
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983. Oh, of course.
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984. So, the first criminal investigation
against you,
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985. when was it and what happened?
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986. Oh, it's not easy to say how it happened.
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987. Before 2008, China was
the biggest producer of anabolics.
Copy !req
988. It was produced in a pharmaceutical,
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989. well-equipped,
good manufacturing practice.
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990. No contamination, high qualities.
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991. And all these anabolics are coming
to Europe, to the United States.
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992. It's the same like in Russia.
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993. Of course, at that time in Russia,
as the head of laboratory,
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994. I was a part of system.
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995. There are three or four
top-level witch doctors,
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996. like Portugalov.
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997. Portugalov was the famous anabolic coach
of Russian national team.
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998. It was Soviet time. He was before me.
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999. Portugalov is conveyor of athletes.
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1000. He has his own protocols,
and he really had great success.
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1001. And then they became Olympic champions.
Copy !req
1002. The problem began in 2008.
Copy !req
1003. Jacques Rogge,
the president of the Olympics,
Copy !req
1004. told government of China,
Copy !req
1005. "You are Olympic country,
but you are producing anabolics in bulk.
Copy !req
1006. You cannot do like this anymore. Stop it."
Copy !req
1007. They stop it. Officially.
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1008. But who is supplying steroids
to national team?
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1009. Before, there was not any concern.
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1010. You buy stanozolol, it's stanozolol.
Copy !req
1011. But Portugalov was so confident,
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1012. offering and providing things
which were not proven or tested.
Copy !req
1013. They have impurities
which could be detectable.
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1014. "Oh," Portugalov say. "What to do?
I spent so much money for this.
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1015. Maybe you could advise to do?"
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1016. What advice? Drop it to the trash.
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1017. Now, in Moscow laboratory,
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1018. we had the best sensitivity
and detection limits.
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1019. I'm very proud that I created the test
for long term metabolites,
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1020. which caused the detection window
Copy !req
1021. to enlarge from two or three weeks
to six months.
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1022. That's why Portugalov suddenly had
so many positives.
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1023. All people on the national team,
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1024. they came to ask
where to get these steroids.
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1025. I knew one source.
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1026. Suddenly, I was coordinating
the whole steroid program.
Copy !req
1027. So you were
cutting out Portugalov?
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1028. Yes, but what I was doing,
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1029. I was saving national team
from purchasing dirty steroids.
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1030. Eventually, I don't know
whether it was by purpose,
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1031. I fight with Portugalov.
Copy !req
1032. Then I became enemy.
Copy !req
1033. Criminal narcotic police came to my home,
they took my computer,
Copy !req
1034. and they said,
"Then we arrest you on Monday."
Copy !req
1035. I was in such depression
and my will was paralyzed.
Copy !req
1036. And I decided to escape, I don't know how.
Copy !req
1037. I took some knife from...
Copy !req
1038. very, very sharp...
from my wife's kitchen.
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1039. I drank whiskey, I sit to the bath.
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1040. And...
Copy !req
1041. And... it was...
Copy !req
1042. It goes so smooth.
Copy !req
1043. Then, in the water,
I see how blood is doing like this.
Copy !req
1044. It wasn't very strong, the lock.
Copy !req
1045. My wife opened door.
Copy !req
1046. My heart was seared.
Copy !req
1047. It was very good surgeon.
Copy !req
1048. And since I was considered
to be suicide...
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1049. I was sent to a psychiatric clinic.
Copy !req
1050. After seeing that I am depressed,
Copy !req
1051. they started to give me such crazy drugs.
Copy !req
1052. I was totally out of reality.
Copy !req
1053. And then again, something happened.
Copy !req
1054. The criminal police,
Copy !req
1055. they sentence me
to another psychiatric clinic...
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1056. which is for those who are sadist,
Copy !req
1057. who are totally
worst-of-the-worst criminals.
Copy !req
1058. They respected me very much.
I was called "professor."
Copy !req
1059. But I get better, better, better.
Copy !req
1060. The most funny thing,
they allowed me to use computer,
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1061. so I was working in psychiatric clinic
like a head of laboratory director,
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1062. advising the whole Russian national team.
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1063. That time,
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1064. I received, from Olympic Committee,
an invitation to London,
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1065. 2012 Olympic Games, being the director.
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1066. Russian ministry was little bit uncertain
that I'm criminal in full.
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1067. But WADA said,
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1068. "If not Rodchenkov, we don't see
in Russia any other candidate than him.
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1069. If you don't send him to London,
we send to London another director."
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1070. You can imagine how important
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1071. information from London laboratory is
for national team.
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1072. I had information, what testing
this London laboratory is doing,
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1073. to understand where we are
and how much is danger.
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1074. Without this, all Russian doping situation
will be collapsed.
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1075. Thanks to God, Mutko understood this.
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1076. I received a call
from the Moscow investigators.
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1077. "Grigory...
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1078. your case is dropped."
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1079. Who took care of it?
Who got the charges dropped?
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1080. Putin. Of course.
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1081. It's my redemption. Success in Sochi
instead of being in prison.
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1082. We are two workers,
Kamaev and Rodchenkov,
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1083. with a mission in mind...
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1084. This is not a mission.
This is a revolution.
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1085. - This is an anti-WADA strategy.
- Of course! Of course!
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1086. The former head of Russia's
anti-doping agency RUSADA
Copy !req
1087. has unexpectedly died.
Copy !req
1088. Nikita Kamaev's death comes just
two months after he resigned his post,
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1089. which is, obviously, following
the doping scandal that has rocked Russia
Copy !req
1090. and the rest of the world in athletics.
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1091. No, no, no.
Copy !req
1092. No, no, no.
Copy !req
1093. I have to see.
Copy !req
1094. We're told by RUSADA,
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1095. which is the doping agency
he was formerly the head of,
Copy !req
1096. that he appears to have had
a massive heart attack.
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1097. Of course.
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1098. Bryan?
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1099. I'm here.
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1100. You know, my friend?
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1101. My friend...
Copy !req
1102. died.
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1103. I show you.
Copy !req
1104. He's got no previous history
of heart problems.
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1105. It means, "Grigory, Nikita died."
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1106. He just died.
And so, it's an enormous shock.
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1107. He's my friend
since school time,
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1108. and he never complained about his heart
Copy !req
1109. or any health problem, and...
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1110. He had a young wife.
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1111. They dreamed about children.
I was talking to him day before.
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1112. This is...
Copy !req
1113. Still, I cannot understand.
Copy !req
1114. It cannot be like this.
Copy !req
1115. He wrote book.
Copy !req
1116. It's dangerous to write book in Russia.
Copy !req
1117. I don't know.
We gotta figure this out, because...
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1118. Of course, of course.
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1119. Do you think that they would...
Copy !req
1120. Bryan, we are playing the most danger game
in the history of sport.
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1121. WADA, ready to pay everything
for me and for you to disappear.
Copy !req
1122. Because we destroy not only their future,
we destroy their past.
Copy !req
1123. You know, there is very bad man
still not mentioned.
Copy !req
1124. Deputy Minister Mutko.
Copy !req
1125. He could kill everybody.
Copy !req
1126. He's a KGB man.
Copy !req
1127. He's very dangerous.
He has no moral at all. No, no.
Copy !req
1128. "Oh, Nikita is writing book?
Copy !req
1129. Fifty-two. Oh, he's tired.
Copy !req
1130. He's desperate.
Copy !req
1131. Oh, please, prepare obituary
for the next week."
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1132. Can you imagine? I can imagine easily.
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1133. We should be very much careful.
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1134. Who were you reporting to?
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1135. Yuri Nagornykh, vice minister.
Copy !req
1136. He was practically involved
in everyday routine.
Copy !req
1137. So you would report to Yuri?
Yes.
Copy !req
1138. Yuri would report to Mutko?
Yes.
Copy !req
1139. And Mutko reported to Putin?
To Putin, yes.
Copy !req
1140. You know, there is no rest
if you are paranoid.
Copy !req
1141. It was around 12:30,
one o'clock at night?
Copy !req
1142. Or two. I don't know.
Copy !req
1143. They were just hanging around, so...
Copy !req
1144. Somebody in the courtyard?
Yes.
Copy !req
1145. Two strong men knocked my door
and appeared from darkness.
Copy !req
1146. They asked me to let them in,
and they came here.
Copy !req
1147. And we were talking about sport,
about many relevant or auxiliary things.
Copy !req
1148. They knew about death of Nikita Kamaev.
Copy !req
1149. About, first of all,
my boss, Minister Mutko.
Copy !req
1150. It was inspection and...
Copy !req
1151. exhausts my nerves...
Copy !req
1152. They finally gave me subpoena.
Copy !req
1153. United States district court.
Copy !req
1154. You see, it's for me.
"To Grigory Rodchenkov."
Copy !req
1155. You're commanded to appear
in front of the grand jury.
Copy !req
1156. He had been approached
by two FBI agents.
Copy !req
1157. They want him to go to New York
Copy !req
1158. and appear in a grand jury
and provide his information.
Copy !req
1159. It triggered a whole series of decisions
that had to be made.
Copy !req
1160. I've checked out these two guys,
Copy !req
1161. and both of these guys
are not your everyday agent.
Copy !req
1162. But why did they come to him?
Copy !req
1163. They want him for something else
that they're doing.
Copy !req
1164. They didn't come to him for himself.
Copy !req
1165. They're trying to make a case,
Copy !req
1166. and they found out he was in LA.
Copy !req
1167. His boss, Mutko, was actually the guy.
Copy !req
1168. How was he able to survive?
Copy !req
1169. Because he's Putin's best friend.
He's the head of the sports ministry.
Copy !req
1170. Just what sort of, uh... crime...
Copy !req
1171. like, example, I could be done against
or under US legislature?
Copy !req
1172. The United States Justice Department loves
to charge broad conspiracies.
Copy !req
1173. That's their favorite charging instrument.
Copy !req
1174. That you conspired
with Mutko and others to—
Copy !req
1175. What is the conspiracy?
It was conspiracy since 1980.
Copy !req
1176. Let's reconsider Moscow Olympic Games,
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1177. and then reconsider situation
in United States in 1984.
Copy !req
1178. That's right.
Copy !req
1179. They're looking for him to plea
to what's called a cooperation agreement.
Copy !req
1180. What happens is, he cooperates,
and at the end of the day,
Copy !req
1181. the judge generally
wouldn't incarcerate him, most likely.
Copy !req
1182. First of all,
we don't know whether that's...
Copy !req
1183. what the bureau's interested in
at this point.
Copy !req
1184. If we turn down,
they could indict him.
Copy !req
1185. - You gotta be shitting me.
- We can talk to these guys.
Copy !req
1186. The most important thing
is he is not sent back to Russia,
Copy !req
1187. where he would certainly be assassinated.
Copy !req
1188. We've been discussing with Grigory
Copy !req
1189. whether or not he should go public
in some way
Copy !req
1190. prior to the Olympics.
Copy !req
1191. Prior to the Olympics.
What you're saying is
Copy !req
1192. if he's established
as a cooperating witness,
Copy !req
1193. he may not be able to do that.
Copy !req
1194. That's right. That's right.
Which is a downside.
Copy !req
1195. But once Grigory's public,
I think he's in much less danger.
Copy !req
1196. Because if the Russians do anything
to hurt him,
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1197. it makes them look very guilty.
Copy !req
1198. Except they'll just say
he had a heart attack, like they did...
Copy !req
1199. Grigory, look at me.
Copy !req
1200. Is it in your best interest
to break the story?
Copy !req
1201. Uh...
Copy !req
1202. You mean to disclose? We have to disclose.
Copy !req
1203. Please enter
your participant ID. Thank you.
Copy !req
1204. I strongly suggest
they stay only with list of 36 athletes.
Copy !req
1205. Okay.
But they're about to publish.
Copy !req
1206. They're asking us how they can verify
the authenticity of the Sochi list.
Copy !req
1207. Yes, this is most important.
It's authentic document.
Copy !req
1208. It was in Sochi on my table.
Copy !req
1209. And if you go behind this list,
there is creation date.
Copy !req
1210. And this list came
from the ministry?
Copy !req
1211. Of course, of course.
Copy !req
1212. So, Rebecca, you have the file.
Copy !req
1213. So under properties of the file,
you can see it was created
Copy !req
1214. Tuesday, January 21st, from the ministry.
Copy !req
1215. Oh, my God! You're unrecognizable!
Copy !req
1216. Not recognizable at all.
Copy !req
1217. Psychological, looking in mirror,
it's not me.
Copy !req
1218. The New York Times is breaking tomorrow.
Copy !req
1219. - Tomorrow?
- Tomorrow.
Copy !req
1220. Oh, I need... I need...
Copy !req
1221. intravenous injections
Copy !req
1222. - to relax. Tomorrow?
- Tomorrow.
Copy !req
1223. - Why not?
- Okay, so here's what's happening.
Copy !req
1224. Have you spoke
to the Department of Justice yet?
Copy !req
1225. I told them,
Copy !req
1226. and they reacted
like I expected they would.
Copy !req
1227. They're upset.
Copy !req
1228. - Right.
- So...
Copy !req
1229. They wanted to know,
did he provide any documents to them?
Copy !req
1230. He provided lists
of doped athletes.
Copy !req
1231. He provided an FSB file
of how the testing was arranged at Sochi.
Copy !req
1232. Yeah, unfortunately,
they're gonna terminate the whole...
Copy !req
1233. Now that he turned over documents,
they're gonna cancel.
Copy !req
1234. And they're just gonna prosecute him.
Copy !req
1235. "It's time for you
to enter upon the second stage."
Copy !req
1236. The International Olympic Committee
Copy !req
1237. has the honor of announcing
Copy !req
1238. that the 22nd Olympic Winter Games in 2014
Copy !req
1239. are awarded to the city of Sochi.
Copy !req
1240. That's future for everything.
That's future for my country! For Russia!
Copy !req
1241. Millions of citizens of Russia are united
by the Olympic dream.
Copy !req
1242. Our national pledge to you is,
the choice of Sochi is the best choice.
Copy !req
1243. There is a top-level decision.
Copy !req
1244. You know who I mean.
Copy !req
1245. And big boss, Vladimir Putin, saying,
Copy !req
1246. "We have to show the best result in Sochi.
Copy !req
1247. We must show the others who we are."
Copy !req
1248. Hurrah!
Hurrah!
Copy !req
1249. Hurrah!
Copy !req
1250. We could make team clean
before Sochi. One month.
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1251. But it was decided
to use PEDs during Sochi.
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1252. Through the competition
so they could be at their very top level?
Copy !req
1253. Right, right.
Copy !req
1254. Vladimir Putin.
Copy !req
1255. So instead of using the science,
Copy !req
1256. the science that you developed
to get around the system,
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1257. you abandoned the science?
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1258. Yes.
Copy !req
1259. The most important "yes."
Forget about this.
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1260. Ladies and gentlemen,
Copy !req
1261. let me declare the 126th session
of the International Olympic Committee
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1262. open.
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1263. Thank you.
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1264. Opening ceremony was
the most heartbreaking day...
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1265. in sports history.
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1266. - Hi, Bryan.
- The story just broke.
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1267. What do you mean?
Is it published or not?
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1268. Yes, published.
Copy !req
1269. Published! The story is published!
Copy !req
1270. According
to The New York Times, Rodchenkov...
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1271. Okay.
Copy !req
1272. This is the photo of bottles.
Copy !req
1273. Those bottles were given
from Nikita Kamaev.
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1274. "Grigory Rodchenkov,
who ran the laboratory
Copy !req
1275. that handled testing
for thousands of Olympians,
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1276. said he developed a three-drug cocktail
of banned substances
Copy !req
1277. that he mixed with liquor and provided
to dozens of Russian athletes,
Copy !req
1278. helping to facilitate
one of the most elaborate
Copy !req
1279. and successful doping ploys
in sport history."
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1280. Join and support
our fight for fair play.
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1281. The athletes deserve it.
Copy !req
1282. And to you, my fellow Olympic athletes,
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1283. I say, respect the rules,
play fair, be clean.
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1284. In 2014, in Sochi,
Copy !req
1285. did Russia swap out dirty urine
for clean urine?
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1286. Always.
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1287. The information contained
in this little bottle
Copy !req
1288. helps keep sport
on the level playing field.
Copy !req
1289. That's why we created ADAMS,
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1290. the free Anti-Doping Administration
and Management System from WADA.
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1291. All operating under a level of security
typically used by financial institutions.
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1292. In effect,
becoming the centralized clearing house
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1293. for all anti-doping information.
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1294. ADAMS. Everyone should play true.
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1295. Walk us through
the collection process.
Copy !req
1296. The sample is provided
in front of a doping control officer.
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1297. It's in this container.
It's divided into two.
Copy !req
1298. The A sample and the B sample.
These are the...
Copy !req
1299. Bottles.
They're called the Bereg-Kits?
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1300. Yes. It's one particular company
in Switzerland that makes them.
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1301. It's called
the Berlinger bottle,
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1302. and the Berlinger bottle is
state of the art.
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1303. It's sealed very tight
with a vice-like device.
Copy !req
1304. A collector is right there, watching.
Copy !req
1305. And then it goes to the lab.
Copy !req
1306. It's in the lab that the B bottles are
pulled aside and put in the freezer.
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1307. The analytical work is done
on the A sample.
Copy !req
1308. The way we collect
the sample,
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1309. the trustability of the sample,
Copy !req
1310. the fact that we've got
an A and a B sample
Copy !req
1311. is a very, very, uh, safe system.
Copy !req
1312. The caps on the bottles,
Copy !req
1313. they're designed in such a way that
they need to be destroyed to be taken off.
Copy !req
1314. In the lab, they have a device
that cracks open the A sample.
Copy !req
1315. It's the only way you can get it off.
Copy !req
1316. If an A sample tests positive,
then the B gets analyzed.
Copy !req
1317. The B has to confirm the A.
Copy !req
1318. That's this enormous protection.
Copy !req
1319. From Nagornykh,
in preparation to Sochi,
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1320. it was strict order to develop procedure
how we can have new bottles,
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1321. new caps or open cap.
Copy !req
1322. And this FSB officer,
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1323. he was responsible for the day
when I gave closed Bereg-Kit,
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1324. and after half an hour,
I receive it opened.
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1325. And the...
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1326. cap and the bottle are the same.
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1327. And I can...
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1328. a little bit rinse
and then pour and close.
Copy !req
1329. Like Bereg-Kit.
Copy !req
1330. It's unbelievable how they could do this.
Copy !req
1331. This was named Operation Sochi Resultat.
Copy !req
1332. In Russian, "resultat" means
"to achieve positive results."
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1333. So, you need clean urines?
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1334. I need clean urines
for each candidate.
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1335. For every single Russian athlete
under the state-sponsored doping,
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1336. you had clean samples
of their urine being held?
Copy !req
1337. Yes.
Copy !req
1338. If an athlete needed
to be swapped, you could swap 'em.
Copy !req
1339. Yes.
Copy !req
1340. But in Sochi, because of the Olympics,
I am under double control.
Copy !req
1341. Both from IOC, WADA and I don't know who.
Copy !req
1342. Level of security is stunning.
It's unbelievable.
Copy !req
1343. There was a delegation
of foreign scientists
Copy !req
1344. who were embedded in the laboratory.
Copy !req
1345. So, if there were substitutions,
manipulations,
Copy !req
1346. these people would've been
in the front line to observe this.
Copy !req
1347. In Sochi, laboratory was like this.
Copy !req
1348. It was our entrance,
Copy !req
1349. but from this behind,
where we have a fire exit,
Copy !req
1350. there is another building.
It was a KGB building.
Copy !req
1351. And bank of clean urines were kept here.
Copy !req
1352. Coming into the final two heats
of the four-man bobsleigh,
Copy !req
1353. Pilot Alexander Zubkov
and brakeman Alexey Voevoda...
Copy !req
1354. Gold to Russia,
Copy !req
1355. making their pilot the oldest man ever
to win the four-man bobsleigh.
Copy !req
1356. So how many FSB officers
were working at Sochi?
Copy !req
1357. Hundred.
Copy !req
1358. Throughout the day, our KGB officer
Copy !req
1359. brought the clean urines
of all our athletes selected for testing
Copy !req
1360. to our secret operational room
in the laboratory.
Copy !req
1361. Meanwhile, all the urines collected
from the athletes during the day
Copy !req
1362. were transported to the Olympic village
and held until 1:00 or 2:00 a.m.
Copy !req
1363. Then I received a call.
Copy !req
1364. "Grigory, I will be delivering the samples
in 15 minutes."
Copy !req
1365. Before samples arrived,
it gave me time to make sure
Copy !req
1366. that there were no WADA or IOC observers
left snooping around the laboratory.
Copy !req
1367. Once samples were checked in,
Copy !req
1368. the operation entered
the most dangerous phase.
Copy !req
1369. When the A and B bottles
were split on to two different carts,
Copy !req
1370. my assistant wheeled the B bottles
into a storage room
Copy !req
1371. and slipped the Russian athletes'
B bottles into his lab coat.
Copy !req
1372. This is highly illegal,
but we need to replace these dirty urines.
Copy !req
1373. Then he wheeled the cart
with the A bottles
Copy !req
1374. into the aliquoting room,
as per procedure.
Copy !req
1375. 'Cause it's supposed to be opened.
Copy !req
1376. For all A samples, yes.
Copy !req
1377. To escape all the video recording,
aliquoting room was like this.
Copy !req
1378. And our room, we had the hole in it.
Copy !req
1379. So we take this little bit...
Copy !req
1380. - How you say this thing? It's—
- Uh...
Copy !req
1381. Like this, if you have something...
Copy !req
1382. You take this table out,
and there is a... like a...
Copy !req
1383. like a power outlet blocked
without any, uh... socket.
Copy !req
1384. - Okay, right, right.
- But then you take it out.
Copy !req
1385. So it looks like it's a power outlet
without a socket, but it's not.
Copy !req
1386. - It's not. It's a hole.
- It's a hole.
Copy !req
1387. You're taking both samples
through this hole,
Copy !req
1388. and A samples, we immediately...
Copy !req
1389. pour away and clean.
Copy !req
1390. But the B sample...
Copy !req
1391. B samples are taken
by KGB and... whew!
Copy !req
1392. In the darkness,
people coming from the trash/fire exit.
Copy !req
1393. Then, after two hours, they came back
with B bottles opened to swap.
Copy !req
1394. Because, of course,
you have in advance clean urine.
Copy !req
1395. So, B samples are finished
with the urine swapping.
Copy !req
1396. Taken by KGB and—
Copy !req
1397. Because the B samples are taken
by the IOC and held in long-term storage.
Copy !req
1398. Yes.
Copy !req
1399. If WADA or the IOC retest
those samples, would they be clean?
Copy !req
1400. Reanalysis will return negative.
Copy !req
1401. Because, you know,
we are top-level cheaters.
Copy !req
1402. To over-cheat us,
you should be much such experienced.
Copy !req
1403. But how it comes, such experience?
Copy !req
1404. If there were
evidence brought forward
Copy !req
1405. that showed that a country or WADA lab
Copy !req
1406. had found a way
to break into the collection bottles,
Copy !req
1407. what do you think that would say
about the entire testing system?
Copy !req
1408. What it would say is that corruption
has gone to the depths of...
Copy !req
1409. that part of the process,
which would be most disturbing.
Copy !req
1410. It would be, uh...
Copy !req
1411. obviously a very serious, serious act
of manipulation from that lab.
Copy !req
1412. It would be done. It wouldn't work.
Copy !req
1413. If that can be done successfully,
then the testing system is over.
Copy !req
1414. Does WADA have the ability
to catch drug cheats today?
Copy !req
1415. No.
Copy !req
1416. Because of this whole steroid program,
Copy !req
1417. I pulled off 13 gold medals.
Copy !req
1418. It's unbelievable.
Copy !req
1419. Never before.
Copy !req
1420. Everything was made clean,
and Putin was very much happy.
Copy !req
1421. Russia came out on top
of the medals board,
Copy !req
1422. winning 33 overall,
including an Olympic high of 13 gold.
Copy !req
1423. But immediately after,
he started war against Ukraine.
Copy !req
1424. Before the Olympics,
Copy !req
1425. his popularity rating in Russia
had been falling steadily for years.
Copy !req
1426. But when the games began, this.
Copy !req
1427. I felt my personal guilt
for such event.
Copy !req
1428. Would Russia had less medals,
Putin would be not such aggressive.
Copy !req
1429. What you're about to hear
is not lifted from a Tom Clancy novel,
Copy !req
1430. nor is it borrowed from
the elegant prose of John le Carré
Copy !req
1431. or adapted from Robert Ludlum's work.
Copy !req
1432. But if the protagonist is to be believed,
Copy !req
1433. this drama is the ultimate handiwork
of Vladimir Putin
Copy !req
1434. and the intelligence successors
to the KGB.
Copy !req
1435. LA may be a lot safer than Mother Russia,
given the recent...
Copy !req
1436. - Bryan!
- Yeah?
Copy !req
1437. Article is incredible. It's so very good.
Copy !req
1438. I am shocked. I'm reading twice.
Copy !req
1439. You know, Russia even cannot breathe.
Copy !req
1440. They still even don't respond.
Copy !req
1441. Of course, there it is, midnight, but—
Let me stop you.
Copy !req
1442. - I just spoke to our lawyer.
- What happened?
Copy !req
1443. They're not returning any
of his calls.
Copy !req
1444. I am arrested?
Copy !req
1445. We don't know yet.
We're in a holding pattern.
Copy !req
1446. I am sitting locked in my home.
I'm a little bit afraid.
Copy !req
1447. Let me get this done,
and I'll come by, okay?
Copy !req
1448. Putin will kill me.
Copy !req
1449. - Rodchenkov...
- ... allegations...
Copy !req
1450. Dozens of Sochi medal winners
were part of a secret...
Copy !req
1451. Nine, one, seven.
Copy !req
1452. Okay.
Copy !req
1453. He has since fled Russia
because he said he feared for his life.
Copy !req
1454. Russia's sports minister
has dismissed the claims as nonsense,
Copy !req
1455. adding they were a continuation
of the attack on Russian sport,
Copy !req
1456. which was backed up
by the deputy sports minister.
Copy !req
1457. So that this is clear
for everyone...
Copy !req
1458. there has never been
and there is not any doping program.
Copy !req
1459. Vladimir Putin calls
the claims "the slander of a turncoat."
Copy !req
1460. We're meeting
with a white-collar attorney
Copy !req
1461. who has handled a lot of criminal cases.
Copy !req
1462. What happened
with his other lawyer?
Copy !req
1463. His other lawyer,
they have a Moscow office.
Copy !req
1464. It appears that the firm got cold feet due
to a conflict of interest, they said.
Copy !req
1465. Thomas Bach,
who heads the IOC, said,
Copy !req
1466. "If this is true,
Copy !req
1467. it is an unimaginable level
of criminality."
Copy !req
1468. The IOC
calling the report "very worrying."
Copy !req
1469. "We ask
the World Anti-Doping Agency
Copy !req
1470. to investigate immediately."
Copy !req
1471. The Justice Department
is opening an investigation
Copy !req
1472. into Russian government officials,
athletes, coaches
Copy !req
1473. and anti-doping authorities.
Copy !req
1474. This letter was sent by WADA.
Copy !req
1475. "Dear Grigory, in light of your recent
declarations to The New York Times,
Copy !req
1476. we would like to meet to better understand
Copy !req
1477. the basis of your allegations
and your proposed way forward.
Copy !req
1478. Sincerely, David Howman
and Olivier Niggli."
Copy !req
1479. I'm talking tomorrow to another lawyer.
Copy !req
1480. So...
Copy !req
1481. He seems credible, but of course,
it's his word against Russia.
Copy !req
1482. There were older questions
Copy !req
1483. regarding Rodchenkov's mental health
in all this,
Copy !req
1484. as four years ago,
after a failed suicide attempt,
Copy !req
1485. he was placed into a mental institution,
Copy !req
1486. the diagnosis described
as the first stages of schizophrenia.
Copy !req
1487. What to do with my wife
and children? What they will know?
Copy !req
1488. Or I just disappear for them?
They'll go crazy.
Copy !req
1489. Bryan, this is David and Olivier.
We want this meeting to go ahead.
Copy !req
1490. Can you call us back?
Copy !req
1491. I'm not ready to answer.
Copy !req
1492. We need something lucky,
like it's Alice in Wonderland,
Copy !req
1493. to rabbit's hole, to sit here.
Copy !req
1494. I know.
To wait until it ends.
Copy !req
1495. We're trying to get this...
To make it right.
Copy !req
1496. But lawyer is trustful?
Copy !req
1497. He is a big one.
He's a big one.
Copy !req
1498. Yeah, top of the top of the top.
Yes.
Copy !req
1499. We are digging deeper into his identity.
Copy !req
1500. We've obtained
some of his exclusive documents.
Copy !req
1501. Grigory Rodchenkov
Copy !req
1502. and American movie director Bryan Fogel,
Copy !req
1503. they talked many times
via e-mail and wrote...
Copy !req
1504. The FBI are following him closely,
Copy !req
1505. Grigory Rodchenkov himself mentioned
to his sister in a recent Skype call.
Copy !req
1506. Grish,
just sit tight. Don't be too impulsive.
Copy !req
1507. No, of course
I will not do anything...
Copy !req
1508. Of course. Absolutely.
Copy !req
1509. without the protection
of the FBI.
Copy !req
1510. I refuse to make any
comments on this. I'm very sorry.
Copy !req
1511. I'm sure you have very intelligent people
who can explain all this.
Copy !req
1512. Honey, I already
spoke to the children. They're fine.
Copy !req
1513. Grisha,
now it's another problem.
Copy !req
1514. I'm worried about you.
Copy !req
1515. I'll take care of this.
Just hold on.
Copy !req
1516. This is what I'm worried about.
Copy !req
1517. They're turning us into the monster now.
Copy !req
1518. Or trying to.
Copy !req
1519. It's okay.
We'll get through this.
Copy !req
1520. What do you want
to come of all this?
Copy !req
1521. "To the future or to the past,
Copy !req
1522. to a time when thought is free...
Copy !req
1523. when truth exists
and what is done cannot be undone."
Copy !req
1524. What everyone
is interested in is the evidence he has,
Copy !req
1525. both in terms of the documents
on his computer
Copy !req
1526. and the cell phone
that he was using at the time.
Copy !req
1527. Two people connected
with the Russian doping program are dead
Copy !req
1528. under circumstances
that seem highly suspect.
Copy !req
1529. One of the first things
that I learned from authorities
Copy !req
1530. when I came onto the case
Copy !req
1531. was that the Russian government
has the resources and the will.
Copy !req
1532. So we've had to develop
a very multi-stage protocol
Copy !req
1533. to minimize the chances our conversations
will be intercepted.
Copy !req
1534. The main concern
is that they would be able,
Copy !req
1535. through those communications,
to try to triangulate his location,
Copy !req
1536. and if they have agents
in the United States, then to do him harm.
Copy !req
1537. We're 84 days away
Copy !req
1538. till the Summer Games
in Rio de Janeiro in Brazil.
Copy !req
1539. Until now, there's
only been hard evidence about athletics,
Copy !req
1540. but this is pointing the finger
at a whole range of sports.
Copy !req
1541. As you know, there's a Department
of Justice investigation going.
Copy !req
1542. Grigory's been advised by his lawyer
Copy !req
1543. he should not be here
for security reasons.
Copy !req
1544. I worked with Grigory
over about six months
Copy !req
1545. to compile a record
of what happened in Russia.
Copy !req
1546. This is the spreadsheet
of every single athlete
Copy !req
1547. that was on the state-mandated protocol.
Copy !req
1548. What every single athlete was taking
in London,
Copy !req
1549. including their sample numbers
and collection.
Copy !req
1550. When Christiane goes back
and tests these samples correctly,
Copy !req
1551. she will basically find them all positive.
Copy !req
1552. And we have all their protocols
before the London Games.
Copy !req
1553. We have the same for Beijing.
Copy !req
1554. And this outlines
how Russia was collecting
Copy !req
1555. thousands and thousands
of clean samples for swapping.
Copy !req
1556. No, no, this we saw,
but we want to ask question
Copy !req
1557. as well as how it was done,
understanding—
Copy !req
1558. So, sodium chloride is added to the sample
to increase specific gravity.
Copy !req
1559. Many of these samples are gonna have
Copy !req
1560. a hundred times the sodium content
that should be in somebody's urine.
Copy !req
1561. Let me make sure I understand.
Copy !req
1562. They were taking the B
to be opened secretly?
Copy !req
1563. Yes.
Copy !req
1564. You said it was removed
after the Paralympic Games.
Copy !req
1565. Does it mean that it happened
also for the Paralympic Games?
Copy !req
1566. Yes, yes.
Copy !req
1567. Both the Olympic and the Paralympic Games,
they swapped urine.
Copy !req
1568. Vancouver was really the impetus
for the urine swapping operation.
Copy !req
1569. They only won a handful of medals,
Copy !req
1570. and to see to it that
that didn't happen again at Sochi.
Copy !req
1571. We'll find that out when—
Copy !req
1572. In terms of time-sensitive,
Copy !req
1573. London is more sensitive,
in the sense that
Copy !req
1574. these athletes are going
to the next Rio Games,
Copy !req
1575. not the winter ones.
Copy !req
1576. This is Sochi. This is London.
This is Beijing.
Copy !req
1577. This goes all the way back to 1968.
Copy !req
1578. There never was anti-doping in Russia.
Period. Ever.
Copy !req
1579. Across all summer sports?
Copy !req
1580. Every sport.
Copy !req
1581. He's sorry?
Copy !req
1582. - Who's that?
- Grigory.
Copy !req
1583. I don't want to get into that.
Copy !req
1584. Do you think, as a scientist,
I am happy to have been in Sochi?
Copy !req
1585. And to everything...
We gave credibility to the lab.
Copy !req
1586. Do you think that I feel good today?
Copy !req
1587. Do you think that the athletes
who were cheated feel good?
Copy !req
1588. As angry as you guys might be,
I think the one thing...
Copy !req
1589. Grigory risked his life,
and is risking his life, to do this.
Copy !req
1590. He left his wife behind,
he left his children behind,
Copy !req
1591. he left all of his belongings behind,
all of his financial security behind.
Copy !req
1592. We're here to get everything out.
Copy !req
1593. Okay.
Copy !req
1594. "Dear Mr. Fogel
and Dr. Rodchenkov,
Copy !req
1595. the IOC has full confidence
Copy !req
1596. in the authority
of Professor Richard McLaren
Copy !req
1597. and respects his judgment
to ensure a comprehensive inquiry.
Copy !req
1598. We will act swiftly
to take the necessary measures.
Copy !req
1599. Sincerely yours, Thomas Bach. President."
Copy !req
1600. Transferring you to Richard McLaren.
Copy !req
1601. You speak of them as being
orders. Are they actually orders?
Copy !req
1602. Nagornykh is ordering Grigory?
Or ordering the lab?
Copy !req
1603. Does it matter?
Copy !req
1604. Yes, Nagornykh is ordering Grigory.
Copy !req
1605. There's e-mails, like,
explicitly about soccer players.
Copy !req
1606. There's e-mails explicitly of,
you know, of weightlifters.
Copy !req
1607. And that essentially were...
Copy !req
1608. Of rowers, of swimmers...
Copy !req
1609. where Grigory had found the positive.
Copy !req
1610. Then if they are
concerned about it,
Copy !req
1611. they find the right profile in the bank,
and pick that one out of the bank,
Copy !req
1612. and they run the analysis on that one?
Copy !req
1613. You got it.
Copy !req
1614. I see.
Copy !req
1615. If this all can be proved,
it's quite mind-blowing.
Copy !req
1616. - The sooner I have it, the better.
- Okay.
Copy !req
1617. It's important
to a lot of people around the world.
Copy !req
1618. We do it now?
Yes.
Copy !req
1619. Russian athletes could not credibly
return to international competition
Copy !req
1620. without undermining the confidence
of their competitors and the public.
Copy !req
1621. They are the pride and joy
of Russian sport.
Copy !req
1622. But track and field stars,
like pole-vaulter Yelena Isinbayeva,
Copy !req
1623. won't be going for gold
at next month's Rio Olympics,
Copy !req
1624. despite having friends in high places.
Copy !req
1625. This is truly important to us, because...
Copy !req
1626. Today, our track and field team
finds itself in a dire situation.
Copy !req
1627. We have been banned from the Olympics
Copy !req
1628. very aggressively,
without any evidence or proof.
Copy !req
1629. Rodchenkov,
director of the Moscow WADA lab,
Copy !req
1630. was forced to resign from his position
Copy !req
1631. even though, when you think about it,
he was a brilliant doctor.
Copy !req
1632. So he's fired, and then somehow
ends up in the United States,
Copy !req
1633. where he subsequently took his story
to The New York Times.
Copy !req
1634. Not exactly the smallest paper on Earth.
Copy !req
1635. He gets there,
he turns over all this information.
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1636. Finally, he stated
that the entire doping program
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1637. was in fact part of a state-run system.
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1638. Whatever he claims,
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1639. he is confusing himself
with the government.
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1640. You see, all of his claims against
the government, he did himself.
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1641. It was a solo act.
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1642. So the swapping,
the destruction of samples,
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1643. this was all just a farce?
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1644. Again, I just don't see
how this is possible. How could it be?
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1645. Please let me repeat,
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1646. these allegations are not facts,
just rumors and speculations.
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1647. Welcome
to the McLaren Independent Commission
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1648. news conference here in Toronto.
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1649. In May, Professor McLaren was mandated
by the World Anti-Doping Agency
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1650. with respect to the allegations made
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1651. by the former director
of the WADA-accredited Moscow laboratory,
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1652. Dr. Grigory Rodchenkov.
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1653. The investigation has established
the findings set out in the report
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1654. beyond a reasonable doubt.
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1655. Our experts were to determine
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1656. if samples had scratches and marks
on the inside of the bottle caps,
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1657. representative of a tool used
to open the cap.
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1658. Of the set of samples suspected
of being swapped...
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1659. we were able to confirm...
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1660. 100% had evidence of tampering.
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1661. We've conducted cyber
and forensic analysis,
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1662. secured data from hard drives,
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1663. and reviewed thousands of pages
of documents.
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1664. The Moscow laboratory operated for
the protection of doped Russian athletes
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1665. within a state-directed, fail-safe system.
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1666. Ministry of Sport,
Deputy Minister of Sport Yuri Nagornykh,
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1667. RUSADA, that's the anti-doping agency
in Russia,
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1668. and the former director
of the Moscow testing laboratory
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1669. were all involved in this operation
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1670. with the active participation
and assistance
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1671. of the Russian Federal Security Service,
formerly known as the KGB.
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1672. The FSB, who had access to the Sochi lab
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1673. under the guise
of the building maintenance contractor,
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1674. can be identified in the evidence we have.
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1675. Alex Mihailovich, RT.
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1676. Rodchenkov himself is a person who's
under investigation in Russia currently.
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1677. He took off from Russia.
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1678. He seems to be a character
that you really can't rely on,
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1679. and a lot of this relies on Rodchenkov.
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1680. Does this compromise your work?
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1681. He is a person in this investigation,
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1682. but not the only person
in this investigation.
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1683. I can say without a doubt,
Dr. Rodchenkov is telling the truth
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1684. and was a truthful witness.
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1685. I was able to corroborate that
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1686. because of all the scientific
and forensic information.
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1687. My team can demonstrate the existence
of this system beyond a reasonable doubt.
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1688. It was clear
from Richard McLaren's report
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1689. that was contained
in our independent commission,
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1690. it's proven that offenses were committed.
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1691. So, I don't think anybody can accuse us
of sitting back and doing nothing.
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1692. President Putin condemned the findings,
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1693. saying the world is seeing
a dangerous recurrence
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1694. of politics interfering in sport.
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1695. Russia's government says
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1696. any decision which collectively punishes
its competitors is unacceptable.
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1697. Richard Conway, BBC News.
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1698. I'm gonna be rolling your hands
like that.
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1699. Let me do all of the work.
It makes it easier for everybody.
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1700. What were you all doing today?
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1701. We were worrying all day.
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1702. But today,
I was paying for everything, bills, etc.
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1703. Nika, we will get through this.
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1704. Oh, you have new glasses!
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1705. Not that new.
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1706. I have some sad news to tell you.
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1707. Yes?
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1708. I am going
into the witness protection program.
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1709. - You are?
- Mm-hmm.
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1710. Why?
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1711. Because the current situation is unclear.
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1712. - So, this is serious?
- Yes.
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1713. For a while?
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1714. I was thinking of you yesterday.
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1715. Well, visa is just one thing, but—
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1716. You are my bride
and keeper of the family and the dogs.
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1717. Grigory, I was worrying all day,
and on top of that, trying to reach you.
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1718. Don't tell anyone anything.
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1719. Who would I even tell?
I don't see much of anyone these days.
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1720. Maybe they'll pay off some officials
to sit in prison for some time?
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1721. As a formality.
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1722. I have to get going.
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1723. - Veronika?
- Yes?
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1724. You wrote down the lawyer's contact
information and have everything?
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1725. You know what I'm talking about?
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1726. Of course I understand.
It's just... This is all so sad.
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1727. Whatever packing
you need to do and getting dressed...
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1728. Okay. Okay.
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1729. So, do we know
what, uh, you're gonna be able to...
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1730. I still don't know
how it will be organized.
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1731. "Protection" means protection
that you don't know how it's organized.
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1732. What do you foresee at this point?
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1733. I will start writing book.
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1734. Oh, we are on the first floor.
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1735. Where is the exit?
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1736. I wonder when I'm going to see you again.
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1737. Don't worry. I'll be back.
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1738. Bryan,
you are medium-sized monster!
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1739. Remember me.
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1740. We have decided today
that Russian athletes can compete in Rio.
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1741. The International Sports
Federations
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1742. will carry out individual analysis,
taking into account...
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1743. Anti-doping officials are fuming.
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1744. The IOC going against the World
Anti-Doping Agency recommendations...
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1745. Olympic champion.
Vlasov had won gold again.
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1746. "Winston sank his arms
to his sides
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1747. and slowly refilled his lungs with air.
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1748. His mind slid away into
the labyrinthine world of doublethink.
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1749. To know and not to know,
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1750. to be conscious of complete truthfulness
while telling carefully constructed lies."
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1751. Thomas Bach.
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1752. "To repudiate morality
while laying claim to it.
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1753. To forget whatever
it was necessary to forget..."
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1754. Join and support
our fight for fair play.
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1755. Respect the rules, play fair, be clean.
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1756. "... then to draw it back
into memory again
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1757. at the moment when it was needed..."
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1758. This decision is about justice.
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1759. Justice has to be independent
from politics.
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1760. Hurrah!
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1761. Hurrah!
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1762. "... and then promptly
to forget it again."
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1763. Fails a drug test,
is stripped of the gold medal...
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1764. "... and above all, to apply
the same process to the process itself."
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1765. Trying to make sure
your testimony's clear.
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1766. How many times do I have to say it?
I've never taken drugs. How clear is that?
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1767. Okay. I think it's clear.
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1768. "And if all others
accepted the lie,
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1769. then the lie passed into history
and became truth."
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1770. We've never had
a doping program in Russia.
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1771. This is just impossible, unthinkable.
We would never do something like that.
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1772. I don't even recall the name
of that citizen who defected,
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1773. the one who ran
the Russian anti-doping lab.
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1774. "Even to understand the word 'doublethink'
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1775. involves the use of doublethink."
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1776. We are now able to put
the findings of the first report
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1777. into sharper and clearer focus.
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1778. I can confirm, for years,
that spectators have been deceived.
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1779. The desire to win medals
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1780. superseded their collective moral
and ethical compass, and Olympic values...
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1781. I was doing
in parallel two things
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1782. which canceled out each other
in being fully contradictory.
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1783. Doping and anti-doping.
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1784. It was pure, exact doublethink.
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1785. I was like a slave.
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1786. Slavery was my freedom...
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1787. till the end.
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1788. So...
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1789. truth.
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