1. So you guys all know the story
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straight about Jason.
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at Camp Crystal Lake...
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a little boy at the time.
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at the camp...
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each and every one of them.
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that Jason didn't drown.
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get beheaded that night.
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coming back.
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still out there,
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that cost $500,000,
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just under a billion dollars.
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and surprised and pleased,
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finished the film.
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all over the world,
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what the wonderful,
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about this particular film.
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I was doing the film then
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on so many people.
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of thought
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that goes into these pictures.
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was one of the innovators,
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of this slasher movie
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all represented people
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movies find a way
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that's truly human.
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compelling about the genre
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come back to it.
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scaring the audience
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it's something in us
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in the audience,
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of their heart attack.
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It's fun. It's exciting.
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this character.
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than they like the survivors.
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brought a life to it,
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without 'em.
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is Jason never dies
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brings him back to life,
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and see what he'll do next.
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come to a complete end.
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because Jason is the outcast.
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too tall, you're too short,
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you have buck teeth,
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we all tie in somehow,
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I was the different kid.'
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of the human struggle.
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you're going to come up against.
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that person
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you know, stop evil
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that we love.
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these monsters, these bogeymen,
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all evil
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with the real evil
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in our day to day lives.
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out and look at it,
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you can defeat it,
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Sean S. Cunningham
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a name for himself,
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and commercials
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soft-core porn.
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a big change was happening
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with documentary forms
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anything was possible.
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grab your equipment,
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wagon and go shoot it.
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with the big guys.
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called "Together,"
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high school.
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strengthen their marital bond,
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His name was Bud Talbot,
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on a film.
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some of the money,
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Full Moon Murders,"
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It was very soft.
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We were shown to a bedroom.
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with an enormous erection
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were immediately aroused.
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everybody said we need
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wholesome films.
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zero dollars.
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another job.
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something going.
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1972's "Last House On the Left."
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keep repeating:
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Only a movie..."
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produced by Cunningham,
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"A Nightmare On Elm Street,"
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in small-town America.
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of "Last House on the Left,"
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a very important horror film.
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all over the world.
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Sean Cunningham's early efforts
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with a considerable debt
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screen shocker "Halloween,"
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sub-genre of horror.
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some time ago
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And I said to myself,
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Friday the 13th,
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money at the box office,
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"Here's what we're gonna do.
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in Variety,
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people who brought you
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film ever made.
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were going to make.
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would be interested
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to secure financing
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through the same trio
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Minasian, and Philip Scuderi,
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the Esquire Theaters chain,
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Productions banner,
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on motion picture history.
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one thing: a script.
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of the process
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"Friday the 13th"
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more-or-less.
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Sean said, "let's go with it,"
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in "Friday the 13th,"
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profoundly simple.
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had to do with the fact
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to waste
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like character and plot.
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that these kids
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kind of serial killer,
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to discover
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at the end.
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what I had done
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mom and apple pie,
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have a ball Pepsi generation,
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having fun
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by adult restrictions,
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one-by-one.
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with a script in hand
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approximately $550,000,
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Steve Miner
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for the ideal location
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hamlet of Crystal Lake.
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little Boy Scout camp
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the kids had gone home,
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to take it over.
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working camp.
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log cabins and all that stuff.
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a lake, it was everything.
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in the summer.
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summer camp,
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a campfire.
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Claudette and Barry
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interrupted
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on-screen victims
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one of the biggest body counts
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if we planned to shoot
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for the character of Claudette.
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her throat being sliced open
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in the makeup room,
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to shoot
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character of the killer,
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the killer was,
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you saw a missing finger.
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this hand without a finger,
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that this was the killer.
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and budgetary constraints,
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to present day,
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of fresh faces
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thriving theater scene.
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all future Fridays,
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had to be likable,
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Julie Hughes and l,
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casting people on Broadway.
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to doing this,
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finding all sorts of new talent
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know, you're not right for this,
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and they need camp counselors,
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to meet Sean
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"Friday the 13th."
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to Camp Crystal Lake.
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many different ways
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without being really stupid.
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has got to be saying
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this roller coaster ride,
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Don't go in there!
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the filmmakers required
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young actress
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killer,
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against the amorous advances
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Steve Christy.
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she was an art student,
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through a friend of a friend
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for her.
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you know?
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She had to think things out.
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the end of the summer
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have to be patient.
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the patient type.
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people around here!
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prankster Ned was Mark Nelson,
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on Broadway
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co-star Jeannine Taylor,
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Marcie
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posthumous surname.
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Marcie Cunningham.
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a last name at first,
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I guess, to adopt me,
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with his last name.
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the proverbial 'good guy'
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for Alice's affections
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the filmmakers cast the son
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most beloved legends.
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legendary singer, Bing Crosby,
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in the 30's, 40's, and 50's.
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about his dad,
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emotional for him
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It looks like dead animals!
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and animal loving Brenda,
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and deadly
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was the late Laurie Bartram,
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with cancer in 2007.
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we miss her so dearly.
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on that production.
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she was who you saw.
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worried about everyone.
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to hear she'd died so young.
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inside and out.
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six degrees of Friday the 13th
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a struggling New York actor
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1978 comedy, "Animal House."
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by terrific young talent,
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and so professional.
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when I called his agent
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"Friday the 13th."
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he do in the film? '
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you know,
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'Well, Kevin loves to do that.'
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breakout moment.
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characters in "Friday the 13th"
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'prophet of doom,'
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Walt Gorney,
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of "Friday the 13th"
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but it's the truth.
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really was crazy.
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been a little eccentric,
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fine character actor.
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over "Friday the 13th."
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loved it.
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on September 4, 1979,
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experienced their share
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misfortunes.
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Phil Scuderi
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with certain elements
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some rewrites and basically
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I had a problem with
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of the motorcycle policeman,
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the concept
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for the police.
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on a motorcycle before,
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my ass.
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come running to help me,
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off me I says, 'I'm fine.
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who met their on-screen demise
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in fact, very real.
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playing the scene,
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it was a real snake.
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on behalf of myself
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who's ever harmed a snake,
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Halloween's minimalist shocks,
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needed to find someone
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larger-than-life death sequences
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special effects,
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"Friday the 13th,"
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for very little money
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production value.
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Friday the 13th came out
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was sort of the first film
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really in the forefront.
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"Dawn of the Dead,
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the Dead" and said,
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"Friday the 13th,"
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make-up artists, you know,
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had a reputation
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And that could be
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photographer in Vietnam.
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give me the same feeling I got
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enough, it wasn't real enough.
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for my effects.
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and it's Tom Savini.
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script all marked up,
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here on page 40.
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and a fake axe,
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borrow from Hitchcock,
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was to surprise the audience
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screwing around!'
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that my character was sort of
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in "Psycho,"
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character to follow.
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Camp Crystal Lake from here?
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the first person killed
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"Friday the 13th."
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jumping out of the jeep
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and that was really,
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the tree.
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for a second.
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and you're thinking,
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that was on my neck.
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in the piece.
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just ran down my sleeve,
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working the blood.
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It really did look great.
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genre ultimately is,
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to go see people get killed
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and compelling ways,
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a little bit of nudity,
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get that as well.
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that's what I wanted.
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swimming, and it's all just
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with each other.
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my clothes off!
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with Kevin Bacon.
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is on top,
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see him killed,
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was so brilliant.
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It's like AHHH.
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satiated and smoking dope,
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through his neck.
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and so brilliant.
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George Romero's Martin,
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a stick in his neck.
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on the fake body.
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under the bed
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and here's the fake body.
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under there and you know,
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and Taso was pumping the blood.
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from Taso's pump,
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shoot out and gurgle.
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it made the effect,
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comes up.
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with the light.
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Tom's idea,
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that this axe is a real axe.
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and it's heavy.
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what showed up on film,
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was a lot longer
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the final cut. No pun intended.
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the driving thing.
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sex and violence that goes on.
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You know, have sex, die.
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the underlying thing, you know,
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the "Friday the 13th" movies.
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like a devout,
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or something?
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13th" was a morality play.
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what I called the clique,
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who didn't make love survived
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than the others,
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make it with
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is in the kitchen.
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where she just goes,
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through the window.
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Laurie Bartram die,
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through the window.
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going through the window.
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give the audience any clues
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real identity
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penultimate surprise.
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Who is the killer?
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feeling for Mrs. Voorhees,
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warm and comforting.
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it's this nice mother type.
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An old friend of the Christies.
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and be predisposed
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a nice person,
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I think probably from Sean,
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offered the role first.
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and all
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production schedule
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she could no longer do it.
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a time thing.
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it, or they didn't like her.
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read this script,
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'This will come. It will go.
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or ever see it'.
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who is going to save me
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about all this disastrous stuff
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They're all dead.
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that she had this kid
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that a young boy drowned?
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were killed?
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She lost her son, Jason,
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were fooling around.
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and today is his birthday.
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'Oh boy, look out now.
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You never paid any attention!
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I think "Psycho" got in
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conscious of at all.
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is his mother.
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Tony Perkins and his mother.
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and the kid dead.
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poor Jason's death.
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that it's our fault.
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voice in my head saying
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where Betsy,
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an incredible actress,
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to her one day,
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for Jason's name
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him, it was going to be Josh.
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on the film,
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subject of that got,
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and went to Jason.
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when I was, oh,
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little bastards,
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telling on people.
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liked his name.
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demented villainesses
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has amassed a large,
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cult following.
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signing, conventions,
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holds the little child.
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come up and all.
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'Why? Why do you love her
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this dreadful human being? '
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"Because we understand
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to my thinking,
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to keep a camp closed
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somebody else's son would drown
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never happened to another mother
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she was anything
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to care for a poor,
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I'd just go crazy, myself,
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who I'm raising as my son,
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with Betsy Palmer's character.
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ignored, neglected.
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here's one for all those kids
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because they were different.
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a very fine psychologist,
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is the mother I never had.
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who will kill people
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most memorable characters
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sound effect
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Harry Manfredini.
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of "Friday the 13th"
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came from the sound effects
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and point out the fact
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just the camera shooting.
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signature piece,
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of the film,
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of Betsy Palmer's,
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Kill her.
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consonant sound of the 'K',
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and 'MA' from 'Mommy.'
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641. I went up to a microphone
and just went 'k-k-k-' 'ma'.
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called an Echoplex,
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in the late 70's, early 80's.
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644. And it ended up becoming
'k-k-k-ma- ma-ma',
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became the instant sound
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to bring the killer
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and throughout the picture.
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Harry's music,
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the success
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were stronger in this film
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it came down to.
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Mrs. Voorhees and Alice.
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that I was to,
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to really lose it.
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a hit alongside of her chops.
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on stage,
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and I gave her a smack.
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to the ground crying,
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She hit me.'
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'No, no, no, Betsy.
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supposed to do? '
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in the sound afterwards."
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669. Alice doesn't want to die.
And she fights back.
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incredible beach ballet.
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pounding away at one another,
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with some sort of a boat oar.
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Mrs. Voorhees slow-mo.
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The ultimate kill by Alice.
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came up, and said,
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cut your head off.'
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678. He said, 'Don't ya wanna see
how we're gonna do it?'
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'You've got to be kidding.
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going to chop my head off'.
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assistant on that movie.
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of Betsy Palmer's head,
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it severed you would see
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gore in there.
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in some way.
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is the one that cut it off.
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with toothpicks.
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kind of holding it in place,
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it with that machete,
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the toothpicks.
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so the head would spin,
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in the first take.
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on the back of my hands,
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a little weird in one shot.
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Betsy Palmer is decapitated,
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into the frame,
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with hairy knuckles.
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that he's got as hands.
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death of Mrs. Voorhees,
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Cunningham's master stroke,
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to anyone at the time,
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about the ending,
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have an ending so,
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they did a beautiful job.
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the movie is over.
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in the graveyard,
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who ever saw it.
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jump out of the lake, you know,
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you know, if it's a dream,
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You know, grand theft cinema.
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the special effects man
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who typed up the memos,
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who went out for lunch,
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written this scene.
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733. of having Noel Cunningham,
Sean's son, do it.
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would have none of that.
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'You're out of your mind
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spend four hours in a lake
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in New Jersey
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I would have been Jason.
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the first Jason.
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in "Manny's Orphans,"
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sex-obsessed little kid.
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just kind of said,
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746. 'Hey, let's get Ari to do it.'
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747. My investors in Boston
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748. wanted to have it more
extreme and seaweed,
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a little bit,
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'Oh, I've got a great idea.'
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lopsided
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more and more extreme.
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part of the pond
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used real swamp muck for that.
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in this group of Polaroids
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757. and I said, 'And who's this?'
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758. And he said,
'Oh, that's your son.'
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look so strange? '
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760. And he said, 'Well, he said,
he's a mongoloid.
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in the script!'
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that comes out of the water.
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an almost ordinary child.
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is a total dream,
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767. We wind up having this gorgeous,
idyllic setting.
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in the canoe.
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769. I did everything I could
to tell the audience
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You can relax. It's over.
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Harry Manfredini's soundtrack.
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time in the film
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the music for the killer
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manipulate you.
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The cavalry's here.
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that even the people
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was going to happen
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something was going to happen.
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fingers in the water.
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that Sean's idea is right.
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until that.
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things that we could do
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786. is go to a screening and watch
the people jump at the end,
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787. because for whatever reasons,
this ending got 'em.
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788. I'm telling you, people just
flew out of the seats
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a little kid going,
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that single moment,
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been half as successful
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strangely enough,
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and they loved it.
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Alice wakes up,
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no one else was found.
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Everyone else is dead.
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in the hospital vividly
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about the boy and I go,
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at a Part 2 here.
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810. Those little ripples
in the water at the end.
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811. It's like, well, was it a dream,
wasn't it at dream?
Copy !req
812. Were those raindrops,
or were those air bubbles?
Copy !req
813. And I think now
we know the answer.
Copy !req
814. In early 1980,
the film was picked up
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815. for domestic distribution
by Frank Mancuso, Sr.
Copy !req
816. VP of Paramount Pictures,
who planned a national release
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817. and a multi-million dollar
marketing campaign.
Copy !req
818. The risk paid off,
and for Paramount,
Copy !req
819. Sean Cunningham
and Georgetown Productions,
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820. "Friday the 13th"
was about to become
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821. their lucky day.
Copy !req
822. Frank Mancuso was head
of distribution at Paramount.
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823. And he had the idea
of treating this little movie
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824. as if it were a real movie.
Copy !req
825. And had no stars,
and nothing recognizable
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826. except this sort of strange,
superstitious title.
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827. And went out
and sold it like crazy.
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829. 2
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830. 3
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831. Friday the 13th.
You may only see it once.
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832. But that will be enough.
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833. "Friday the 13th"
opened on May 9, 1980,
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834. eventually taking in $39.7
million at the U.S. box office.
Copy !req
835. If the reason behind the film's
immense popularity
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836. was lost
on mainstream critics,
Copy !req
837. who not only hated the film,
but eviscerated it.
Copy !req
838. no one was more stunned by its
success than its creators.
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839. For better or worse,
"Friday the 13th"
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840. would change their lives.
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841. and the horror genre... forever.
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842. When it first started,
it was repeat business
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843. that made it successful.
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844. It was teenage girls
going to see it
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845. and then bringing
their girlfriends,
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846. and then dragging
their boyfriend to see it.
Copy !req
847. It was all this repeat business.
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848. Before "Friday the 13th,"
maybe the most successful
Copy !req
849. quote-unquote horror movies
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850. were handled on a very
limited basis,
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851. like "Halloween"
or even "Carrie."
Copy !req
852. They weren't treated
as major motion pictures.
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853. The fact that that one
became so wildly successful,
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854. the producers jumped on it
as this is an opportunity
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855. for us to sell this off
and make more and more films.
Copy !req
856. You also have to remember
this was back in 1980.
Copy !req
857. This was before cable TV.
Before the internet.
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858. Before VHS really. Before DVD.
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859. So if you wanted to get anything
that was really titillating,
Copy !req
860. horror was the only place
you could go.
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861. There was something,
um, exciting about it
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862. 'cause it was breaking
new ground.
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863. And of course your parents
didn't want you to see it,
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864. which only made you want to
see it that much more,
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865. and made it that much
better when you did see it.
Copy !req
866. The modern horror movie
was kind of born,
Copy !req
867. because it now became
a possible player
Copy !req
868. in the mainstream distribution
of movies.
Copy !req
869. It's like "Night of the
Living Dead" with Romero.
Copy !req
870. Those guys involved in that
all had careers after that.
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871. I thought it was
a piece of crap.
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872. And l, truthfully, didn't care
if my name got on it or not.
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873. At that time.
And then when it opened,
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874. My god!
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875. The critical reaction
to "Friday the 13th,"
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876. was so abysmal that I knew
we were going to be a success.
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877. I mean, there was one critic
who wanted us all arrested
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878. and tried for horrible crimes
against humanity.
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879. I'm convinced it has
something to do
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880. with the growth of the women's
movement in America
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881. in the last decade.
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882. I think that these films are
some sort of primordial response
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883. by some very sick people,
of men
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884. saying 'get back
in your place, women.'
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885. And I was upset by all of
the terrible publicity,
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886. and the scorn
and the ridicule.
Copy !req
887. Gene Siskel gave us
this scathing review.
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888. I think he even may have
published Betsy Palmer's address
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889. saying, 'write to her
nasty things
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890. because she's a terrible person.
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891. How dare Betsy Palmer
play a role like this
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892. in "Friday the 13th,"
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893. when she has made herself
so lovable,
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894. on "I've Got a Secret
all these years,
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895. and all the television shows
she's done.
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896. How dare she play a role
like that,
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897. and insult her viewing audience?
Copy !req
898. And I thought, 'Well,
those who can, do,
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899. and those who can't, criticize.'
Copy !req
900. The first of the slashers
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901. were to reflect the changing
attitudes and ideas
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902. about women
and what they could do.
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903. I think we go back to Jamie Lee
Curtis in "Halloween,"
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904. Sissy Spacek in "Carrie."
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905. Sigourney Weaver.
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906. Alice, all of a sudden,
is the sole survivor.
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907. And I believe it was
a direct reflection
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908. of what was going on
in the world.
Copy !req
909. And I think "Friday the 13th"
really empowered women.
Copy !req
910. So after "Friday the 13th"
was released,
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911. there spawned
a whole new industry
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912. of teenage horror films
based on holidays,
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913. or based on a serial killer,
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914. based on very low budgets
and low writing.
Copy !req
915. Strangely enough, I think that
people often sort of imitated
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916. my mistakes rather than
the stuff that I got right.
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917. Well, "Friday the 13th" was
the greatest experience for me
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918. up until the point
of after it opening.
Copy !req
919. It was huge. It was fabulous.
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920. It was an actor's dream
come true.
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921. It certainly was for me.
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922. And then, slowly I realized
I had a stalker.
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923. Stalking was not taken seriously
back in 1980.
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924. And it wasn't,
it wasn't something
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925. that everyone was aware of.
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926. I was starting to get
phone calls back then,
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927. it was so easy
to get phone numbers.
Copy !req
928. He, he got into my apartment.
Copy !req
929. For over a year, I didn't know
who my stalker was
Copy !req
930. and what happened was,
he befriended me,
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931. he actually worked his way
into my life
Copy !req
932. so I was actually
giving him information
Copy !req
933. about my stalker.
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934. I had an ordeal with
him up close at one point,
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935. which in itself,
is a horror movie.
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936. Eventually, I had a gun
to my head.
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937. And I was able to talk
the fan down.
Copy !req
938. It really took its toll
for a while.
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939. But, it's all okay now.
It's all good now.
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940. And having three generations
of fans
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941. from around the world
that fly in to wherever I am,
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942. at a city or a convention,
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943. that really talk to me
and care,
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944. and tell me how much
it affected them
Copy !req
945. when they found out.
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946. It's just a gift.
It's a beautiful thing.
Copy !req
947. And, I thank them.
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948. I've turned around
my thinking about it.
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949. I think it worked out just
the way it was supposed to.
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950. And I have never felt
that I damaged my career.
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951. If anything, there are people
that would never know I existed.
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952. We had this tiny little movie
that cost $500,000,
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953. made in a boy scout camp
in New Jersey.
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954. I just cannot imagine
how we got here from there.
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955. It kind of launched
the whole mythology.
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956. And it wasn't by accident,
but it was kind of good fortune.
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957. And it wasn't by accident,
but it was kind of good fortune.
Copy !req
958. By the end of 1980,
Friday the 13th
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959. had already unleashed
a slew of imitators,
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960. throwing open
the floodgates
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961. for fledgling independent
distributors
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962. and major Hollywood
studios
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963. Iooking to cash in on
the new slasher film craze.
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964. With each film seemingly
made faster,
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965. cheaper and gorier
than the last.
Copy !req
966. With Paramount Pictures
pushing for a sequel,
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967. Sean S. Cunningham grappled
with the question
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968. of what to do when
virtually the entire cast
Copy !req
969. of your film
and its villain - are dead.
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970. So, now this phenomenon
takes place,
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971. and 'Friday the 13th'
opens around the world,
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972. and it's a big hit.
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973. And the powers that be said,
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974. We have to make a sequel.
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975. And I'm saying,
Why would you make a sequel?
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976. I didn't think there was
going to be any others
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977. after the first one.
Copy !req
978. We were never led
to believe that.
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979. Mrs. Voorhees is dead,
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980. and the image of Jason
in the lake
Copy !req
981. is completely a fabrication
of the mind.
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982. I don't know what in the world
we could do for a sequel.
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983. Let me make one thing
totally clear:
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984. at the beginning of my movie
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985. Jason is dead.
There's no two ways about it.
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986. Jason is totally,
unalterably dead.
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987. They offer me Part 2,
and then I got the script,
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988. and Jason is running around.
Copy !req
989. I thought, What are you doing?
There is no Jason?
Copy !req
990. You know,
the mother is the killer.
Copy !req
991. Jason was the kid that
drowned in the lake.
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992. Oh oh, we're going
to change all that.
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993. Well, they never did.
So I chose something else.
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994. I chose "The Burning,
which is sort of a rip off
Copy !req
995. of 'Friday the 13th."
Copy !req
996. I understand that it would
be very expensive
Copy !req
997. to bring Mrs. Voorhees
back to life,
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998. especially after we cut off
her head.
Copy !req
999. So, we had to go somewhere,
and of course
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1000. Jason was the most
logical place to go.
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1001. Part 2 was basically
his journey
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1002. of seeking revenge
of the death of his mother.
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1003. And that's a very basic
foundation of storytelling.
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1004. Legend has it that Jason saw
his mother beheaded that night.
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1005. If you try to track that
on any kind of a timeline,
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1006. it makes no sense whatsoever.
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1007. He just shows up some X number
of years later.
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1008. And I don't know
if I'd want to try
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1009. to fill in the blanks
of what happened
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1010. in between all those years.
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1011. If you listen to the
old-timers in town,
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1012. they'll tell you
he's still out there.
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1013. He didn't drown in the lake.
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1014. The mother thought
he drowned in the lake.
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1015. So what happened to this child?
He was young.
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1016. He kind of found
a way to survive,
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1017. and he grew up
in the woods.
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1018. Surviving any way he can.
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1019. So what is he?
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1020. Is he living off crayfish
by the pond for 35 years
Copy !req
1021. and nobody saw this weird kid
out there, you know?
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1022. The first film
was obviously a thriller.
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1023. It was, you know,
almost a murder mystery.
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1024. Who's doing all this
killing and why?
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1025. Oh, my sweet, innocent Jason
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1026. So the notion of having
a surprise
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1027. as to who it is, or what it is,
changed completely.
Copy !req
1028. So, what the stories became
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1029. was sort of a ritualized telling
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1030. of a group of young people
who go someplace
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1031. where they shouldn't go.
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1032. You change the characters
a little bit,
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1033. but it stayed inside
of a very deliberate form.
Copy !req
1034. While Cunningham
ultimately went on
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1035. to pursue other projects,
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1036. including "A Stranger
is Watching,"
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1037. "Spring Break"
and "Deep Star Six,"
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1038. his 29-year-old protÈgÈ,
Steve Miner,
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1039. was given his first feature
directing assignment
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1040. on 'Friday the 13th, Part 2."
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1041. Steve Miner
was definitely up for
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1042. 'Friday the 13th' Part 2,
for directing it.
Copy !req
1043. He and probably
with Sean's help, cast it.
Copy !req
1044. They found the location.
Copy !req
1045. They did all the preliminary
work on the show.
Copy !req
1046. And I know that he was involved
with some of the writing of it.
Copy !req
1047. Steve had been around all
of us for many years
Copy !req
1048. so thathe actually was so
young at the time,
Copy !req
1049. they called him 'The Kid'.
Copy !req
1050. That was his nickname.
Copy !req
1051. By the end of September 1980,
a mere four months
Copy !req
1052. after the release
of the original film,
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1053. Steve Miner and his crew
were already back in production
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1054. with 'Friday the 13th Part 2.
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1055. Code-named Jason.
Copy !req
1056. New to the team
was 22-year-old
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1057. Frank Mancuso Jr.,
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1058. who would become
the driving force
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1059. behind the 'Friday the 13th'
franchise
Copy !req
1060. Frank Mancuso, Jr. called me up
before the show,
Copy !req
1061. and said that he was going
to come down
Copy !req
1062. and be a P.A. on the movie.
Copy !req
1063. I knew, of course, by this time
Copy !req
1064. his father was the president
of Paramount Pictures.
Copy !req
1065. I got involved in "Part 2" when
I was just graduating college.
Copy !req
1066. And my dad knew
the guys from Boston,
Copy !req
1067. Phil Scuderi and
Bob Barsamian,
Copy !req
1068. who sort of initiated
the first movie.
Copy !req
1069. He, you know,
went to work with us
Copy !req
1070. and was treated like a member
of the crew,
Copy !req
1071. became a member
of the crew.
Copy !req
1072. Those kinds of experiences
I really feel helped, you know,
Copy !req
1073. kind of form what I became
as far as having, you know,
Copy !req
1074. a keen understanding
of what everybody does,
Copy !req
1075. how they do it.
Copy !req
1076. And he was really just there
to learn, I think.
Copy !req
1077. And that's how it started.
He quickly caught on.
Copy !req
1078. And a couple of the people
Copy !req
1079. that were above the line
weren't working out
Copy !req
1080. so they were getting rid
of some of those people,
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1081. so I kept on, like moving up
the food chain
Copy !req
1082. kind of strangely.
Copy !req
1083. And I think that that can only
happen on that kind of a movie.
Copy !req
1084. "Part 2" picks up two months
after the events of "Part 1,"
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1085. with an extended prologue that
would see the return
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1086. and the demise of the original
film's traumatized final girl.
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1087. The fans have told me
at convention after convention
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1088. that they felt, quote-unquote,
ripped off
Copy !req
1089. about the way Alice died
in "Part 2."
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1090. I do, too.
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1091. I mean she was such a tough
cookie in "Part 1,"
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1092. and then.
Copy !req
1093. That was pretty much
a necessity.
Copy !req
1094. I think originally she had been
approached to star in "Part 2,"
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1095. but her agent,
as I understand it,
Copy !req
1096. just wanted too much money.
Copy !req
1097. So, she was basically
written out.
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1098. Honestly, when I got
on the set that weekend,
Copy !req
1099. I didn't know it was over
for Alice until I got there.
Copy !req
1100. So, surprise!
Copy !req
1101. They never gave me a script
for "Part 2."
Copy !req
1102. They said, 'Oh, it's just
gonna be improv.'
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1103. I'm not kidding you.
This is how it happened.
Copy !req
1104. They, 'Slam-bam-thank you,
ma'am? '
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1105. Roll around
on the bed for a while.
Copy !req
1106. Intercut. Okay, go to the door,
Copy !req
1107. that whole phone conversation...
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1108. I just have to put my life
back together,
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1109. and this is the only way
I know how!
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1110. Not scripted. All improv.
All improv.
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1112. of Mrs. Voorhees' decomposing
head in her refrigerator,
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1113. she is confronted by the
vengeful, and fully-grown,
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Copy !req
1115. I shot that scene
in one night.
Copy !req
1116. And it was a prop man I met,
Copy !req
1117. one who didn't check his props.
Copy !req
1118. And so the first time the
ice pick went into my temple,
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1119. it did not retract.
Copy !req
1120. Yikes!
Copy !req
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main title sequence,
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five years in time
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of unwary counselors
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a new summer camp
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1125. headed by the enterprising
Paul Holt.
Copy !req
1126. I'm also sure there's one thing
I don't have to tell any of you.
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1127. Being a counselor
isn't the gravy summer job
Copy !req
1128. everybody thinks it is.
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1129. And I was a little older
than everybody
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1130. because I was the head
camp counselor.
Copy !req
1131. He, you know, thought he was
somewhat older,
Copy !req
1132. and knew more than these people,
Copy !req
1133. he was a little prissy
and stuffy or something.
Copy !req
1134. You know I thought that would
be kind of a funny thing to do
Copy !req
1135. with the character.
Copy !req
1136. Assisting Paul is the spunky
and intelligent Ginny.
Copy !req
1137. Who would become one of the most
memorable
Copy !req
1138. and well-regarded characters in
the 'Friday the 13th' series.
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1139. To know that I did
one of these films
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1140. where they get all these
women in that are so vulnerable,
Copy !req
1141. and to be the one that people
think was strong
Copy !req
1142. and intelligent,
it just, it feels good.
Copy !req
1143. There's always the last damsel
in distress
Copy !req
1144. who, you know,
summons up the courage
Copy !req
1145. to fight back.
Copy !req
1146. And then I guess with
my character,
Copy !req
1147. it was pretty great because
somebody who was strong enough
Copy !req
1148. to fight back and kind of
stay present
Copy !req
1149. in the face of danger.
Copy !req
1150. And I was so young
that I didn't create
Copy !req
1151. a whole other life
Copy !req
1152. 'cause I think that
what was really called for
Copy !req
1153. was exactly who you were
as a person,
Copy !req
1154. to bring that to screen.
Copy !req
1155. Her character was
written for her,
Copy !req
1156. and it was written well.
Copy !req
1157. She was very, very well liked
on the crew as well.
Copy !req
1158. Amy slept with everybody
in the entire crew,
Copy !req
1159. the actors and most
of the people in Kent.
Copy !req
1160. I'm just kidding.
Copy !req
1161. Well, there's something
about the chemistry
Copy !req
1162. that we both have a very similar
sense of humor.
Copy !req
1163. It's a little bit sarcastic.
Copy !req
1164. So we could look
at each other and kind of laugh.
Copy !req
1165. I think that's why
it might have worked.
Copy !req
1166. Ginny, I was starting
to worry about you.
Copy !req
1167. Bullshit, Paul.'
Copy !req
1168. We actually stayed
in a camp
Copy !req
1169. that was no longer in use
because the season had passed.
Copy !req
1170. So we were in these
big barracks.
Copy !req
1171. I mean, it was insane.
Copy !req
1172. Basically, it was
a children's camp,
Copy !req
1173. and we wanted
to keep it that way.
Copy !req
1174. We didn't want anything
to stand between
Copy !req
1175. the good feelings that people
had about the children
Copy !req
1176. and a healthy environment,
which was a little bit different
Copy !req
1177. than the Jason environment.
Copy !req
1178. It was cold.
Everybody had heaters and stuff.
Copy !req
1179. And it was pretty basic.
Copy !req
1180. It was like living at night
for two months.
Copy !req
1181. You just start getting
kind of creeped out.
Copy !req
1182. You know, everything looks
so calm down here.
Copy !req
1183. I'm looking pretty closely,
I don't know,
Copy !req
1184. it would be amazing if all of a
sudden Jason just popped out.
Copy !req
1185. They weren't sure which role
they wanted me to play,
Copy !req
1186. so I wound up auditioning
but I think there was a point
Copy !req
1187. where Steve said,
'Hey Stu, tell a joke.'
Copy !req
1188. I did, I told a joke.
Copy !req
1189. They wound up,
in the movie, using jokes
Copy !req
1190. that I had invented like this
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1191. 'What's brown
and sits on a piano? '
Copy !req
1192. 'Your face.'
Copy !req
1193. 'Beethoven's
last movement.'
Copy !req
1194. There was a sign on the side
of the road
Copy !req
1195. in the beginning of the movie,
Copy !req
1196. but we do have that sign
as a remembrance
Copy !req
1197. of that particular scene.
Copy !req
1198. We come back to Crystal Lake to
open up this camp again,
Copy !req
1199. I thought all of us
would have been smart enough
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1200. not to go back to a place
like that,
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to a place
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were murdered.
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there and everybody's gathered,
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made it to the camp,
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1205. Paul Holt basically scares
the shit out of everybody.
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1206. I don't want to scare anyone...
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1207. but I'm gonna give it
to you straight about Jason.
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in the country,
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1209. so while he's doing
that monologue,
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1210. little Lauren-Marie Taylor is
thinking inside her head,
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1211. Ahhh! — For real.
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1212. I thought that John did
a great job of, you know,
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1213. kind of, in the scene,
of building the tension,
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1214. you know, then to break with
Ted, you know,
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1215. jumping out
and scaring everybody.
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1216. And we just think it's going
to be a regular summer,
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1217. the kids are going
to arrive.
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1218. And then these horrible,
horrible things start happening.
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1219. And one by one
Jason Voorhees kills us
Copy !req
1220. and continues to do
what he does best.
Copy !req
1221. With the departure
of gore wizard Tom Savini,
Copy !req
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special effects artist,
Copy !req
1223. the late Stan Winston,
was initially brought on
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bloody set pieces.
Copy !req
1225. Due to scheduling conflicts,
however,
Copy !req
1226. Winston was forced
to drop out of the project,
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1227. handing his duties over
to up-and-coming
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1228. special make-up effects
designer, Carl Fullerton.
Copy !req
1229. But a key casting decision
still needed to be made.
Copy !req
1230. Who would play murderous
mama's boy Jason Voorhees?
Copy !req
1231. That question would,
like the character himself,
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1232. grow into the stuff of legend.
Copy !req
1233. They give me a black script.
Copy !req
1234. It said "Jason"
on the front of it.
Copy !req
1235. 'Well, we like you, you know,
for this counselor role.'
Copy !req
1236. I guess this was the role
that ultimately John Furey got.
Copy !req
1237. And so then they said, 'Well,
would you like to be Jason? '
Copy !req
1238. Well, sure, yeah,
Copy !req
1239. I'd love to do anything
you want me to do.
Copy !req
1240. I could never figure out
the deal with Jason.
Copy !req
1241. They had a guy for a while.
Copy !req
1242. I believe his name
was Warrington.
Copy !req
1243. And then he didn't seem to like
doing it,
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1244. or he didn't want to do
stunts or something.
Copy !req
1245. And then, he didn't stay
for the whole movie
Copy !req
1246. I got a call from
Cliff Cudney,
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1247. who happened to be
the stunt coordinator
Copy !req
1248. on 'Friday the 13th 2,"
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1249. and he had called me and said,
Copy !req
1250. 'Listen, I'm up here
in Connecticut doing this film,
Copy !req
1251. and the guy that they hired
to play Jason
Copy !req
1252. can't do his own stunts.
We got big problems.'
Copy !req
1253. He says, 'Can you get up
to Kent, Connecticut? '
Copy !req
1254. I know that the rest
of us on set,
Copy !req
1255. we knew that there was stuff
going on about Warrington
Copy !req
1256. and Steve and in terms
of who was doing what.
Copy !req
1257. If you had asked me
who was Jason,
Copy !req
1258. I would have said Warrington.
Copy !req
1259. Warrington Gillette
was my Jason Voorhees.
Copy !req
1260. He got all the hoopla,
you know,
Copy !req
1261. for everything that I did.
Copy !req
1262. Cliff Cudney, the stunt
coordinator, said to me,
Copy !req
1263. 'You're the guy
that was the Jason.
Copy !req
1264. Tell your story.
You did all the work.
Copy !req
1265. Ironically, neither actor
played Jason the first time
Copy !req
1266. the character appears on screen.
Copy !req
1267. For the film's moody opening,
Copy !req
1268. Jason was played,
for the first and only time
Copy !req
1269. in the series' history
by a woman—
Copy !req
1270. costume designer Ellen Lutter.
Copy !req
1271. It also fell to Lutter
to come up with a disguise
Copy !req
1272. for the hideously-deformed
Jason.
Copy !req
1273. One that could only be called
a first step
Copy !req
1274. in the evolution of one of
horror's most iconic faces.
Copy !req
1275. It was through Steve,
I remember him and Sean
Copy !req
1276. having these talks
up in Sean's office
Copy !req
1277. and coming up with designs
Copy !req
1278. for you know "Part 2"
with that canvas bag.
Copy !req
1279. Instead of using an ugly face
or an ugly mask for Jason,
Copy !req
1280. he would just cover it
completely
Copy !req
1281. in a sack or a bandage,
or whatever.
Copy !req
1282. And everybody in the audience
would have their own images
Copy !req
1283. of what is the most horrible
person they can think of.
Copy !req
1284. And it worked pretty well.
Copy !req
1285. The movie,
"The Town that Dreaded Sundown"
Copy !req
1286. had a serial killer
wearing a potato sack,
Copy !req
1287. and so I think that could
have been, you know,
Copy !req
1288. an idea that was definitely
well utilized.
Copy !req
1289. The costume designer
was the one that brought us
Copy !req
1290. the pillowcase to cover Jason.
Copy !req
1291. I didn't like it at the time.
Copy !req
1292. But, I know why it was chosen.
Copy !req
1293. It was chosen because it was
an artifact
Copy !req
1294. that was readily available.
Copy !req
1295. That was the bridge
to the hockey mask,
Copy !req
1296. which became the icon,
and it was a great icon.
Copy !req
1297. Once I put the bag over my head,
and I ran in the woods,
Copy !req
1298. I couldn't see anything
'cause the bag flopped
Copy !req
1299. back and forth.
Copy !req
1300. We'll put double face tape,
Copy !req
1301. and we'll hold it
right close to your eye.
Copy !req
1302. This way you'll see
where you're going.
Copy !req
1303. And it worked marvelously.
It was terrific.
Copy !req
1304. But to me, you know,
the real talent came in
Copy !req
1305. with Carl Fullerton
trying to create this face
Copy !req
1306. that was pretty pretty intense.
Copy !req
1307. And yeah, you would get in the
makeup chair at noon
Copy !req
1308. they'd be ready
to go at seven.
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1309. So it's a process.
Copy !req
1310. Another notable character
from the first film
Copy !req
1311. would also meet an untimely and
early demise in "Part 2."
Copy !req
1312. I told the others.
They didn't believe me.
Copy !req
1313. Walt Gorney was just there
for a very short time
Copy !req
1314. at the beginning
of the movie,
Copy !req
1315. and at the beginning
of our production.
Copy !req
1316. I'd say near,
between the American flag
Copy !req
1317. and that stop sign,
Copy !req
1318. that's where they had
the phone booth.
Copy !req
1319. And the actor came
riding through on a bicycle
Copy !req
1320. when they were in
the phone booth, and said,
Copy !req
1321. 'You are all Doomed!'
Copy !req
1322. You're all doomed.
Copy !req
1323. Amazing guy.
Copy !req
1324. I remember Walt being sort of
quiet, but very, very nice.
Copy !req
1325. Veryand very,
very kind of elegant.
Copy !req
1326. A really good actor.
Copy !req
1327. It was interesting,
when they did set up that booth
Copy !req
1328. in New Preston,
Copy !req
1329. they took a break for lunch, and
while they were eating lunch,
Copy !req
1330. two young girls came and they
tried to use the telephone.
Copy !req
1331. And of course,
it was a dummy phone,
Copy !req
1332. and everyone was just hysterical
watching them
Copy !req
1333. trying to use it
and coming out angry.
Copy !req
1334. Crazy Ralph was choked.
Copy !req
1335. He was, I believe,
the first death
Copy !req
1336. in 'Friday the 13th' Part 2.
Copy !req
1337. Yeah, yeah, I killed Ralph
with a garrote and a thin wire
Copy !req
1338. and you take his head like that.
Copy !req
1339. What are you kids
doin' out here?
Copy !req
1340. I'm proud to be known
as Deputy Winslow.
Copy !req
1341. In the original script,
I wasn't named.
Copy !req
1342. I was just kind of
an officer of the law.
Copy !req
1343. But in the book that followed,
I was given a name,
Copy !req
1344. and the name was Winslow.
Copy !req
1345. An interesting anecdote is that
I was hired as this cop.
Copy !req
1346. And I had to drive a police car.
Copy !req
1347. Now, I've never driven
a car in my life,
Copy !req
1348. before or since.
Copy !req
1349. And for a time they were
giving me some lessons,
Copy !req
1350. and I almost killed
more people than Jason.
Copy !req
1351. Now if you were a policeman,
and you were doing your job
Copy !req
1352. and you came driving down
the road here,
Copy !req
1353. and you saw a shape rush across
the road into the woods,
Copy !req
1354. you probably would do
Copy !req
1355. what that policeman in
'Friday the 13th' Part 2 did.
Copy !req
1356. He pulled over, got out of
the car and ran into the woods,
Copy !req
1357. chasing the figure.
Copy !req
1358. Unfortunately, the results
weren't so good to him.
Copy !req
1359. In shooting that death scene,
Jason has this hammer.
Copy !req
1360. The claw end of the hammer
Copy !req
1361. went right in the back
of the cop's head.
Copy !req
1362. Before we started to shoot,
Copy !req
1363. I went to this make-up place
Copy !req
1364. and they made this exact
replica of me.
Copy !req
1365. And they put some blood bags
in there,
Copy !req
1366. and they were gonna smack me in
the head and
Copy !req
1367. everything was gonna
go like that,
Copy !req
1368. and they never used it.
Copy !req
1369. It intrigued me that we killed
Walt and the sheriff so early.
Copy !req
1370. And I think it was
just to remove any possibility
Copy !req
1371. that the cavalry would come over
the hill and save the campers.
Copy !req
1372. So you knew that they were
in jeopardy,
Copy !req
1373. and that there was just
no turning back, or no help
Copy !req
1374. from the outside
going to come.
Copy !req
1375. So there I was, sitting in this
fast food joint.
Copy !req
1376. I think that Muffin was,
Copy !req
1377. I don't know if it was
someone's personal dog,
Copy !req
1378. or it was actually a trained
performing dog.
Copy !req
1379. It was very likable,
very friendly.
Copy !req
1380. I think it actually got
its name above my name
Copy !req
1381. in the credits.
Copy !req
1382. Do you want to dance?
Copy !req
1383. No, thank you.
Copy !req
1384. My character, you know,
was just striking out
Copy !req
1385. with women
and with the girl he was after.
Copy !req
1386. But the dog, she showed me a lot
of love in that movie.
Copy !req
1387. One of the cuts that I love
from 'Friday the 13th Part 2,"
Copy !req
1388. is the camera is on the dog
and all of a sudden
Copy !req
1389. it cuts to hot dogs
on a barbeque grill.
Copy !req
1390. And it's just funny,
and Steve is like that.
Copy !req
1391. He has a sort of like a very wry
sense of humor.
Copy !req
1392. Well, I think that if Muffin
was still around,
Copy !req
1393. you know, we probably
would have stayed together
Copy !req
1394. and but I don't want to get too
specific about that.
Copy !req
1395. One of the actresses went
swimming in the nude,
Copy !req
1396. and of course that was a big
talk in the group,
Copy !req
1397. and everybody volunteered
to come there
Copy !req
1398. and help with the scene.
Copy !req
1399. They were looking
for a towel boy.
Copy !req
1400. Somebody who would wrap
towels around,
Copy !req
1401. I believe it was Kristen
Copy !req
1402. who would come out of the water
in the nude,
Copy !req
1403. and everybody volunteered.
Copy !req
1404. Looking for something?
Copy !req
1405. I was so innocent. You know,
I don't know why I was killed.
Copy !req
1406. I don't know why Jason had it in
for me. It's crazy.
Copy !req
1407. My mother calls me
the night before and she goes,
Copy !req
1408. 'Do you die today
in the movie? '
Copy !req
1409. I go, 'Yeah.'
Copy !req
1410. She goes, 'Why are they
save that to the very end?
Copy !req
1411. Is this a snuff movie?
Are they going to kill you?'
Copy !req
1412. I said, 'No, I don't
think so, mom.
Copy !req
1413. This is Paramount.'
Copy !req
1414. The snare was attached
to a sapling tree.
Copy !req
1415. And when he cut the rope
on the sapling tree,
Copy !req
1416. it pulled the rope up, which
would have the victim's foot
Copy !req
1417. in the rope and he'd be hanging
upside down.
Copy !req
1418. AAAAHHHHHHH!
AHH! HELP!
Copy !req
1419. In effect, it worked perfectly
and nobody was hurt.
Copy !req
1420. My head gets pulled back by
Jason, and he slits my throat.
Copy !req
1421. First they put the machete
against it,
Copy !req
1422. and then he would pull it
and as he slit,
Copy !req
1423. it looked like he was
actually cutting it.
Copy !req
1424. But they used the dull side of
the machete and many times
Copy !req
1425. people have said to me,
'It looks like you were cut
Copy !req
1426. from the wrong side
of that machete.'
Copy !req
1427. And it's quite true.
Copy !req
1428. The role
of wheelchair-bound Mark
Copy !req
1429. was played by openly gay actor
and model Tom McBride,
Copy !req
1430. who sadly passed away in 1995.
Copy !req
1431. I started flirting
with Tom McBride very early
Copy !req
1432. in the process.
Copy !req
1433. And he finally said,
'Lauren, not gonna happen.'
Copy !req
1434. And I went, 'Oh, shucks.'
Copy !req
1435. He's actually the only one
I flirted with,
Copy !req
1436. but Tom McBride was great.
Copy !req
1437. And he was just
a sweetheart.
Copy !req
1438. If you watch the movie,
Copy !req
1439. the most uncomfortable moment
I have
Copy !req
1440. is when I look at Tom McBride
in the wheelchair,
Copy !req
1441. and I'm supposed to be
smoking a joint?
Copy !req
1442. And I say... Toke?
Copy !req
1443. You can tell I have no idea
what I'm talking about.
Copy !req
1444. And everyone on the set knew it.
Copy !req
1445. And they never let me forget it.
Copy !req
1446. I was such a good Catholic Girl.
Copy !req
1447. McBride's death scene in
'Friday the 13th Part 2"
Copy !req
1448. remains one of the series' most
memorable and controversial.
Copy !req
1449. I thought Tom McBride's
kill was cool.
Copy !req
1450. He got a machete in his head and
went down a series of steps.
Copy !req
1451. It was just, seemed so cruel.
Copy !req
1452. You know, here's a guy
in a wheelchair,
Copy !req
1453. and you know he's got no way
to defend himself really.
Copy !req
1454. To me that's like,
how could you
Copy !req
1455. go much further than that?
That's really far.
Copy !req
1456. Actually, he had
constructed a rail
Copy !req
1457. for the wheelchair
to travel on,
Copy !req
1458. and to make sure that the actor
wouldn't get hurt.
Copy !req
1459. It was a tremendous amount
of work put into it.
Copy !req
1460. It was a fantastic,
fantastic stunt
Copy !req
1461. back down that staircase.
Copy !req
1462. I don't know
if you've ever tried
Copy !req
1463. to go down backwards,
on a wheelchair,
Copy !req
1464. with a make-believe machete
in your head,
Copy !req
1465. but it's a challenge.
Copy !req
1466. Many of the film's
most inventive murder sequences
Copy !req
1467. were actually suggested
by the late Phil Scuderi,
Copy !req
1468. who never took credit for his
creative contributions
Copy !req
1469. to the 'Friday the 13th' films.
Copy !req
1470. Phil Scuderi was more,
I would say,
Copy !req
1471. like the architect
of the series.
Copy !req
1472. He came up with some great
scenes himself.
Copy !req
1473. I mean he, and it was
embarrassing sometimes,
Copy !req
1474. he'd get up in a restaurant
and act them out for me.
Copy !req
1475. You know, 'This is what I want
you to write,' you know,
Copy !req
1476. and he'd act a scene out for me.
Copy !req
1477. Of course there was a couple
in the bed having sex.
Copy !req
1478. And we all know
in a horror movie,
Copy !req
1479. if you have sex,
you have to die.
Copy !req
1480. Because it's wrong.
Copy !req
1481. Which is not the case
in real life.
Copy !req
1482. Oh, I thought it was great,
are you kidding?
Copy !req
1483. You know, I remember
I was a young guy, you know.
Copy !req
1484. You'd be able to, you know,
film this, you know, love scene.
Copy !req
1485. And then, and then get a spear.
I thought it was terrific.
Copy !req
1486. Essentially, there's a hole in
the floor and both characters
Copy !req
1487. were standing in this hole.
Copy !req
1488. Carl Fullerton who was
our make-up guy,
Copy !req
1489. I had gone to his place
in New Jersey
Copy !req
1490. and they had made a latex back,
Copy !req
1491. which actually you never see
in the film.
Copy !req
1492. So he was actually
skewered on camera.
Copy !req
1493. That spear actually went into
his back on camera.
Copy !req
1494. It was fabulous.
Copy !req
1495. It was just really fun.
Copy !req
1496. The sound guy at one point,
Copy !req
1497. I'm sitting there on my knees
and he comes over to me,
Copy !req
1498. and he says, he says,
How are you? How you doin'?
Copy !req
1499. Are you okay?
I said, 'You know, yeah.
Copy !req
1500. I'm alright, you know my, you
know I'm a little uncomfortable.
Copy !req
1501. He said, Open your mouth.
Copy !req
1502. And he blows some powder
into my mouth.
Copy !req
1503. And I'm telling you, they could
have filmed it 15 times.
Copy !req
1504. I was having a great time
after that.
Copy !req
1505. Fullerton's human-shish-kebob
Copy !req
1506. was one of the many graphic
special effects
Copy !req
1507. deemed too disturbing
Copy !req
1508. by the Motion Picture
Association of America.
Copy !req
1509. To date, the scene has
never been released
Copy !req
1510. in its uncut form.
Copy !req
1511. That skewering scene was
actually really fun to set up
Copy !req
1512. and really fun to shoot.
Copy !req
1513. And what a disappointment
that it all hit the floor.
Copy !req
1514. When we were prepping
"Day of the Dead,"
Copy !req
1515. Carl Fullerton said,
'Oh, do you guys want to see
Copy !req
1516. some of the gags
from 'Friday the 13th' Part 2? '
Copy !req
1517. We're like, 'Yeah, of course.
That would be great.'
Copy !req
1518. Before it got butchered
by the ratings board,
Copy !req
1519. the fact that
the guy's on top of her,
Copy !req
1520. and she sees Jason coming,
and she's struggling
Copy !req
1521. and she's trying to push him
off of her
Copy !req
1522. so she could get out of the way.
Copy !req
1523. It was such an effective,
disturbing sequence
Copy !req
1524. that, to this day,
I could, I still remember
Copy !req
1525. exactly what it looked like.
Copy !req
1526. For all its gory inventiveness,
Copy !req
1527. the scene has been
widely accused of ripping off
Copy !req
1528. a nearly identical
murder sequence
Copy !req
1529. from Mario Bava's
1971 Giallo thriller,
Copy !req
1530. "Twitch of the Death Nerve."
Copy !req
1531. It was kind of fun
after the fact
Copy !req
1532. to discover that Mario Bava
had made a film
Copy !req
1533. called "Twitch
of the Death Nerve,"
Copy !req
1534. which I had never heard of
and never seen
Copy !req
1535. until long after the fact.
Copy !req
1536. This is going to sound
really, really weird,
Copy !req
1537. but I was a great screamer.
Copy !req
1538. I hope nobody takes that
the wrong way.
Copy !req
1539. But, I was. I could scream,
I mean —
Copy !req
1540. I was really good at that,
Copy !req
1541. and I think once they figured
that out,
Copy !req
1542. they decided, 'Okay, we're gonna
have her scream a lot.'
Copy !req
1543. So they made it really long.
Copy !req
1544. And it started with just that
little swipe on the leg.
Copy !req
1545. Where he, kind of, missed
whatever he wanted to cut off.
Copy !req
1546. But then he kept,
you know, it was like...
Copy !req
1547. They didn't use a dummy for that
Copy !req
1548. when they dragged me
down the stairs.
Copy !req
1549. They actually dragged me
down the stairs!
Copy !req
1550. So when you saw my feet going
blump, blump, blump,
Copy !req
1551. that was a crew member
dragging me down the stairs.
Copy !req
1552. There was a scene later on,
where everybody's at the bar,
Copy !req
1553. and everybody's you know,
Copy !req
1554. partying while the rest of us
are getting killed.
Copy !req
1555. What if there is a Jason?
Copy !req
1556. Oh, bullshit, Ginny!
Copy !req
1557. I mean, let's try to
think beyond the legend
Copy !req
1558. and put it in real terms.
Copy !req
1559. I mean,
what would he be like today?
Copy !req
1560. The character of Ginny Field,
Copy !req
1561. she somehow really understood
Copy !req
1562. that there's more to a person
than just the bad side.
Copy !req
1563. You know, and everyone
wants to demonize somebody.
Copy !req
1564. And so, she had some kind of
insight that this,
Copy !req
1565. something had to go wrong
somewhere in his childhood
Copy !req
1566. or his upbringing.
Copy !req
1567. He must have seen his mother
get killed,
Copy !req
1568. and all just because
she loved him.
Copy !req
1569. I think Ginny kind of
understood that some,
Copy !req
1570. that there's more to it
than just this demon guy
Copy !req
1571. with a pillowcase over his head.
Copy !req
1572. We went to that bar
and none of those people,
Copy !req
1573. I think, had ever seen a movie,
Copy !req
1574. had been around a movie.
Copy !req
1575. And they were all hired
as extras.
Copy !req
1576. And it was pretty funny.
Copy !req
1577. And we actually started
drinking a bit in that scene,
Copy !req
1578. so by the time
four in the morning came along,
Copy !req
1579. we just kept drinking.
Copy !req
1580. Arguably the luckiest character
is fun-loving prankster Ted,
Copy !req
1581. who decides to stay behind
at the bar,
Copy !req
1582. thereby escaping certain death.
Copy !req
1583. I did another movie, a John
Carpenter film, "Christine,"
Copy !req
1584. and there's a scene in that
where I got killed.
Copy !req
1585. Where I got squished.
Copy !req
1586. And they originally filmed it
as me getting crushed
Copy !req
1587. underneath a car coming down.
Copy !req
1588. In the movie they wound up
not using that scene.
Copy !req
1589. And I'm convinced that it's
because I don't die good.
Copy !req
1590. So I'm glad that they
didn't try to kill me here,
Copy !req
1591. 'cause, you know, to make
believe me dying as an actor,
Copy !req
1592. has got to be
one of the silliest things
Copy !req
1593. for a grown-up to do.
Copy !req
1594. This is the site of the old
Lake Waramaug Casino,
Copy !req
1595. and this burned down
about a year after it was used
Copy !req
1596. for some scenes
in 'Friday the 13th Part 2."
Copy !req
1597. It starts to rain
and Amy Steel and John Furey
Copy !req
1598. are coming out of the bar.
Copy !req
1599. And they're
about to get into their,
Copy !req
1600. her little red Volkswagen.
Copy !req
1601. But I convinced Steve Miner
Copy !req
1602. that I could run
through the scene
Copy !req
1603. in the parking lot.
Copy !req
1604. As they're getting in the car,
Copy !req
1605. you can see me
running into the restaurant.
Copy !req
1606. You can't even tell
that it's anything
Copy !req
1607. other than a body running
through the rain, but it's me.
Copy !req
1608. I come back from the dead.
Copy !req
1609. Unaware of the carnage that
has occurred in the main cabin,
Copy !req
1610. Ginny and Paul
make a gruesome discovery,
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1611. and the terrifying final
confrontation with Jason begins.
Copy !req
1612. When I'm down there waiting,
and they're coming in,
Copy !req
1613. and I'm behind the couch,
I was like a little kid.
Copy !req
1614. You know what I mean?
Copy !req
1615. I was like, I couldn't wait,
Copy !req
1616. I was, oh,
this is gonna be good.
Copy !req
1617. Paul, there's someone
in this fuckin' room!
Copy !req
1618. Amy with the screaming,
and the whole thing.
Copy !req
1619. And that's when
the chase scene started.
Copy !req
1620. There was a lot of physical
action in the film.
Copy !req
1621. I had to jump out
of this window.
Copy !req
1622. And I remember the stunt guy
said you know,
Copy !req
1623. 'Maybe you could get
a stunt adjustment for that.'
Copy !req
1624. But yeah, it was
a lot of running.
Copy !req
1625. Splashing through the puddles.
Copy !req
1626. Jumping, hiding,
a lot of it was hiding.
Copy !req
1627. I really like Amy,
I mean, I always liked Amy.
Copy !req
1628. She brought a great sort of
buoyancy to whatever she did.
Copy !req
1629. I mean, she came in,
she was enthusiastic,
Copy !req
1630. she was down with whatever
the program was.
Copy !req
1631. Here I am under the bed,
Copy !req
1632. and Jason's walking around,
and I'm scared to death,
Copy !req
1633. and all of a sudden a rat comes
right in front of my face.
Copy !req
1634. I thought Ginny was so scared
she peed her pants.
Copy !req
1635. Maybe it was the rat,
I don't know.
Copy !req
1636. But it wasn't a large amount
of pee for a rat?
Copy !req
1637. I gotta give Amy Steel
a lot of credit
Copy !req
1638. because all during the filming
Amy never spoke to me.
Copy !req
1639. Off camera.
Copy !req
1640. I didn't have much
communication with him,
Copy !req
1641. or I kind of kept him
very separate.
Copy !req
1642. Amy was non-existent.
She didn't want to come near me.
Copy !req
1643. She didn't want to know
anything about me.
Copy !req
1644. I respected that.
I stayed away from her as well.
Copy !req
1645. But mostly, you know,
Copy !req
1646. they would shoot him
and then shoot me.
Copy !req
1647. So we were never exactly at
the same place at the same time,
Copy !req
1648. with the exception
of the sweater scene.
Copy !req
1649. That final scene we used to call
Chez Jason.
Copy !req
1650. Where Amy goes and dresses up
as Mrs. Voorhees.
Copy !req
1651. And Jason is somewhat
stunned by, wait a minute.
Copy !req
1652. This is my mom.
Copy !req
1653. And she psyches him out.
Copy !req
1654. In her only cameo in any of
the 'Friday the 13th' sequels,
Copy !req
1655. Betsy Palmer appears to Jason
Copy !req
1656. as the ghostly visage
of Mrs. Voorhees.
Copy !req
1657. They said, would I come
and let them make up my head?
Copy !req
1658. Again.
Copy !req
1659. And that they needed that
and do a few voice-overs.
Copy !req
1660. And I said,
Sure, I'll do that.
Copy !req
1661. Which I did.
Copy !req
1662. He's a tragic figure because he
was looking for his mother.
Copy !req
1663. Now here, after all this time,
Copy !req
1664. Amy's in the lair,
and she says
Copy !req
1665. Jason, mother is talking to you!
Copy !req
1666. Jason, Mother
is talking to you.
Copy !req
1667. And when I listen
to what she said,
Copy !req
1668. that's when I did the,
you know, the tilt the head.
Copy !req
1669. Is that my mother?
Is that my mother?
Copy !req
1670. My heart broke. I really
felt bad for poor Jason.
Copy !req
1671. I felt what I was doing
through the whole thing,
Copy !req
1672. I really did.
Copy !req
1673. That was the point
of the film where I went,
Copy !req
1674. 'That's really
where we're going.
Copy !req
1675. That's what the sound
of this is.'
Copy !req
1676. So there was a certain
ethereal, sort of spacey,
Copy !req
1677. kind of sound that permeated
the picture from the beginning.
Copy !req
1678. I have the machete
behind my back.
Copy !req
1679. And I'm instructed
to pull the machete up.
Copy !req
1680. And just as Mrs. Voorhees'
face is revealed,
Copy !req
1681. he's supposed to bring up
this pickaxe.
Copy !req
1682. And then that's when I bring
the machete down.
Copy !req
1683. There was a lot of discussion
before that scene was shot.
Copy !req
1684. It was ultimately decided
that Amy could do it.
Copy !req
1685. So Cliff took her,
and he walked her through it
Copy !req
1686. a couple of times,
on what would happen.
Copy !req
1687. 'Make sure you hit the pickaxe
in the middle,
Copy !req
1688. and so forth, and so on.
Copy !req
1689. She is a great actress, but
unfortunately that day for me,
Copy !req
1690. she was trying to kill me.
Copy !req
1691. So I guess I got really anxious,
Copy !req
1692. and I brought the machete down
Copy !req
1693. when he still had the pick-axe
like this,
Copy !req
1694. as opposed to this.
Copy !req
1695. She missed the pick-axe,
and she came down on my finger.
Copy !req
1696. And I felt so bad.
Copy !req
1697. But the actor who played Jason
was really cool about it.
Copy !req
1698. You know, he just said,
'Hey, this is what happens.
Copy !req
1699. This is what happens when you're
a stunt person.'
Copy !req
1700. So then he goes to the hospital.
Copy !req
1701. I think he had the machete
through his chest or something,
Copy !req
1702. and walks into the
emergency room and they're like,
Copy !req
1703. Oh, my god!
Copy !req
1704. I come walking in
with the machete
Copy !req
1705. sticking out of my shoulder,
Copy !req
1706. and everybody
in the emergency room went...
Copy !req
1707. And I walked up to the desk,
Copy !req
1708. I says, Have you got anything
for a headache?
Copy !req
1709. I've got a very bad headache.
Copy !req
1710. They stitched him up.
Copy !req
1711. But, he was professional,
he came back,
Copy !req
1712. and they finished the scene with
the bandage under the shirt.
Copy !req
1713. And I have 13 stitches
in this finger to show you.
Copy !req
1714. It's right here,
this, it's 13 stitches.
Copy !req
1715. So, very apropos.
Copy !req
1716. Muffin comes tottering in.
Copy !req
1717. 'Oh, Muffin. You're alive!'
Copy !req
1718. Come here, Muffin.
Copy !req
1719. The scene where Jason comes
careening through the window?
Copy !req
1720. Look, you thought
he was dead.
Copy !req
1721. And it's the greatest shock.
Copy !req
1722. I know that the Jason
coming through the window
Copy !req
1723. was a nightmare for me.
Copy !req
1724. I had to do it three times.
Copy !req
1725. And it was really scary.
Copy !req
1726. And yeah, it's plenty scary.
Copy !req
1727. The mystery of the unknown.
Copy !req
1728. What is behind that
potato sack?
Copy !req
1729. We never saw the make-up.
Copy !req
1730. And he didn't want me to see it.
Copy !req
1731. And he wanted to look
really real.
Copy !req
1732. You know, because we could have
walked up to the make-up area
Copy !req
1733. and seen what this guy
looked like
Copy !req
1734. so we wouldn't have been
as shocked, you know,
Copy !req
1735. when he blasts
through the window.
Copy !req
1736. They built a platform
outside the house.
Copy !req
1737. The platform was probably
4 feet long.
Copy !req
1738. So we coordinated how
many steps it takes.
Copy !req
1739. One, two three, bah, you know,
through the window.
Copy !req
1740. And at this time in my life,
Copy !req
1741. I was not a well-seasoned
stuntman.
Copy !req
1742. So this was the first time
I jumped through a window.
Copy !req
1743. Steve was, he knew how I felt
about that scene.
Copy !req
1744. And I remember he was,
you know he goes,
Copy !req
1745. Hey, let's go have lunch.
Copy !req
1746. And he was trying to kind of
play it really cool
Copy !req
1747. and not let me know.
Copy !req
1748. And then all of a sudden
he said, Guess what?
Copy !req
1749. We have to re-shoot
that scene again.
Copy !req
1750. Ruined my day.
Copy !req
1751. But anyway, look, the proof
is in the scene.
Copy !req
1752. Cause we got it right,
and people are still talking.
Copy !req
1753. Much like its predecessor,
Copy !req
1754. Part 2's ending would ultimately
pose more questions
Copy !req
1755. than it answered.
Copy !req
1756. Chief among them,
what happened to Paul?
Copy !req
1757. The end of
'Friday the 13th Part 2"
Copy !req
1758. is still one of the most
confusing endings
Copy !req
1759. of that series.
Copy !req
1760. You didn't know what happened
to my character.
Copy !req
1761. Like she says
at the end of the movie,
Copy !req
1762. she says, "Where's Paul? "
Copy !req
1763. And they said, "We don't know.
We haven't found him yet."
Copy !req
1764. So they purposely
left it ambiguous.
Copy !req
1765. And I'm not sure exactly
what did happen to Paul.
Copy !req
1766. Too bad he didn't come back
in Part 3.
Copy !req
1767. As noted, we've seen a dog
that earlier in the film
Copy !req
1768. it's suggested has been killed,
shows up again.
Copy !req
1769. There is, of course,
some speculation
Copy !req
1770. that it's a dream ultimately.
Copy !req
1771. Maybe that's one of
the good parts of the movie
Copy !req
1772. is that you get to decide that
for yourself.
Copy !req
1773. I guess there was talk
of an alternate ending.
Copy !req
1774. It was not anything
that was prominent
Copy !req
1775. when we were shooting it.
Copy !req
1776. At the very end, they zoom in
on Mrs. Voorhees' head.
Copy !req
1777. It was just sort of
sitting there on the altar.
Copy !req
1778. I know when they were
shooting it,
Copy !req
1779. I think they couldn't decide
Copy !req
1780. whether the eyes
should open or not.
Copy !req
1781. I think that they did
make her eyes go open.
Copy !req
1782. Although the alternate ending
of 'Friday the 13th Part 2"
Copy !req
1783. remains unreleased,
Copy !req
1784. production stills have surfaced
of actress Connie Hogan,
Copy !req
1785. who played the decapitated head
of Mrs. Voorhees
Copy !req
1786. in the film's unused final shot.
Copy !req
1787. In my world that was never
a serious contender
Copy !req
1788. for an alternative ending.
Copy !req
1789. And we spent a lot of time
getting it right.
Copy !req
1790. And we did.
It's a fabulous ending.
Copy !req
1791. One of the guys came to me,
Copy !req
1792. I was from the camp office.
And he said, "Thanks a lot.
Copy !req
1793. We left you a Thank You
down at the lake."
Copy !req
1794. I came down there
and what I found was a head
Copy !req
1795. hanging from a tree
in a little net basket.
Copy !req
1796. And, I guess
that was my thank you
Copy !req
1797. for the courtesies extended
to these guys and the cast
Copy !req
1798. who were down there.
Copy !req
1799. So I still have that head and
I've had a lot of fun with it
Copy !req
1800. over the years.
Copy !req
1801. As a matter of fact,
Copy !req
1802. I've had a number of people
who wanted
Copy !req
1803. to purchase that
and the Crystal Lake sign,
Copy !req
1804. but they bring back too many
happy memories to me.
Copy !req
1805. Paramount Pictures released
"Friday the 13th Part 2"
Copy !req
1806. on April 30, 1981.
Copy !req
1807. Continuing the original film's
winning ad campaign
Copy !req
1808. highlighting the escalating
body count,
Copy !req
1809. PART 2 brought in a final
domestic box office take
Copy !req
1810. of $21.7 million.
Copy !req
1811. Even if the sequel didn't
achieve the monster success
Copy !req
1812. of the original,
Copy !req
1813. it was still a bona fide
moneymaker.
Copy !req
1814. If nothing more, it proved
there was much more lifeblood
Copy !req
1815. to be drained
from Jason Voorhees.
Copy !req
1816. The film came out,
and it was amazingly successful.
Copy !req
1817. We were all very proud of it.
Copy !req
1818. We made it
on a very small budget
Copy !req
1819. and pretty adverse
circumstances.
Copy !req
1820. You know, somebody from
Paramount called me up one day
Copy !req
1821. and they said, 'You're starring
Copy !req
1822. in the number one box office
movie in America.'
Copy !req
1823. You know, it sort of
sinks in then.
Copy !req
1824. And I'm glad that it's an
iconic kind of horror movie.
Copy !req
1825. I was shocked.
Copy !req
1826. I had no idea that there was
such a fan base
Copy !req
1827. for this film, and for Ginny.
Copy !req
1828. And everyone I've met
has been excited
Copy !req
1829. and just been nothing
but gracious.
Copy !req
1830. When I got involved in
the second 'Friday the 13th'
Copy !req
1831. I had never seen the first one,
Copy !req
1832. so I didn't know
what I was getting into.
Copy !req
1833. And I very quickly had to sort
of get up to speed,
Copy !req
1834. and I had to very quickly sort
of had to assimilate myself
Copy !req
1835. into a place that I hadn't been
because of the opportunity,
Copy !req
1836. and the faith that people had
in me, that they gave me,
Copy !req
1837. it turned out to be a, you know,
Copy !req
1838. like a life changing sort of
dynamic for me.
Copy !req
1839. We were actually shooting
the end of the movie,
Copy !req
1840. and Frank comes up and says,
Copy !req
1841. 'Can I talk to you
for a minute? '
Copy !req
1842. and I said, 'Sure.'
So he said,
Copy !req
1843. 'l have two job offers
when this film is over.
Copy !req
1844. One is I can be
Robert Evans' assistant.
Copy !req
1845. He's doing a film
for Paramount.
Copy !req
1846. Or, I can produce my own film.
Copy !req
1847. Which do you think
I should do?'
Copy !req
1848. And I said, 'You know, I think
you should do your own film.
Copy !req
1849. I think that that would be
great for you.
Copy !req
1850. I think you're ready
to do that.'
Copy !req
1851. And I was just really thrilled
that he asked.
Copy !req
1852. And I had no idea
what he was talking about.
Copy !req
1853. And it turned out to be
Friday the 13th Part 3.
Copy !req
1854. And off he went.
Copy !req
1855. And he did a great job
with the series.
Copy !req
1856. I had no idea it was going to
work the way it did.
Copy !req
1857. In fact I really thought
Copy !req
1858. it wasn't going to work
the way it did.
Copy !req
1859. And I'm delighted
to have been so wrong.
Copy !req
1860. And I'm delighted
to have been so wrong.
Copy !req
1861. Bolstered by the success
of 'Part 2.'
Copy !req
1862. 'Friday the 13th' managed to
survive its sophomore slump.
Copy !req
1863. A third installment
seemed a foregone conclusion.
Copy !req
1864. This time, however,
Copy !req
1865. the previous film's
surviving character
Copy !req
1866. would not return to face Jason.
Copy !req
1867. 'Part 3' was going to have
me as a trauma patient
Copy !req
1868. in a mental hospital
Copy !req
1869. and that Jason was going to come
to find me
Copy !req
1870. and now his focus of revenge
was all on me.
Copy !req
1871. And then he started offing
all the patients,
Copy !req
1872. and they were going to call it
'Friday the 13th
Copy !req
1873. Meets Cuckoo's Nest."
Copy !req
1874. I was offered to write "Part 3"
but I turned it down.
Copy !req
1875. I didn't want to be pigeon-holed
Copy !req
1876. as 'Friday the 13th' guy.
Copy !req
1877. I said no because I thought
I was going to go on
Copy !req
1878. to all these like other things,
and I didn't have time.
Copy !req
1879. But in hindsight I should have
just done it
Copy !req
1880. and had a great time.
Copy !req
1881. Once again, Steve Miner returned
to the director's chair
Copy !req
1882. while script supervisor
Martin Kitrosser,
Copy !req
1883. along with his wife
Carol Watson,
Copy !req
1884. wrote the screenplay.
Copy !req
1885. This time,
the Boston-based investors
Copy !req
1886. put the film into the hands
of a young,
Copy !req
1887. but extremely capable,
new producer.
Copy !req
1888. These guys in Boston were
used to working
Copy !req
1889. with people that they knew,
Copy !req
1890. like they knew Steve Miner
from the first movie.
Copy !req
1891. He was a PA. Then
the second movie he directed.
Copy !req
1892. He directed the third movie.
Copy !req
1893. So they liked sort of
hanging onto people.
Copy !req
1894. Despite receiving a serviceable
first draft
Copy !req
1895. from Kitrosser and Watson,
Copy !req
1896. the producers ultimately
decided that the script
Copy !req
1897. needed more work before
the project could be green lit
Copy !req
1898. for production.
Copy !req
1899. I was friendly with
Frank Mancuso,
Copy !req
1900. and he mentioned
that they had the screenplay
Copy !req
1901. in a series of horror movies,
Copy !req
1902. it was called
'Friday the 13th.'
Copy !req
1903. It's not a bad script,
but it has to be re-written.
Copy !req
1904. It has to have a different kind
of atmosphere.
Copy !req
1905. It has to be
a lot more sinister,
Copy !req
1906. a lot more menacing.
Copy !req
1907. In addition to injecting
the screenplay
Copy !req
1908. with more horror and menace,
Copy !req
1909. Steve Miner felt that 'Part 3'
could benefit
Copy !req
1910. from the revival of a gimmick
Copy !req
1911. that he hoped would draw
audiences back into theaters.
Copy !req
1912. And one that would make
it possible for Jason
Copy !req
1913. to literally
jump off the screen.
Copy !req
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would be shot in 3D.
Copy !req
1915. Back in the early 80s,
Frank Mancuso, Sr. and l
Copy !req
1916. sat in an office in Toronto
Copy !req
1917. and discussed the idea
of really trying to do
Copy !req
1918. something radically new in film
Copy !req
1919. that would help the theaters out
a great deal.
Copy !req
1920. And what kind of a movie
should we make?
Copy !req
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"Star Trek 3D"
Copy !req
1922. which is what was
originally discussed,
Copy !req
1923. or should we try to do
something that's horror
Copy !req
1924. and to try to really break
the ground in horror films?
Copy !req
1925. We spoke a lot about
the horror films
Copy !req
1926. that came out in the 50s in 3D.
Copy !req
1927. I had not seen many 3D movies,
maybe one or two only.
Copy !req
1928. He took me to a 3D screening of
"Dial M for Murder"
Copy !req
1929. which was he, Steve Miner
was a fan of that movie,
Copy !req
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in general.
Copy !req
1931. Frank Mancuso, Jr.
really saw the idea
Copy !req
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Copy !req
1933. That whole idea
of going to a theater,
Copy !req
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glasses on.
Copy !req
1935. You want to have that fun
and so, you know,
Copy !req
1936. that was part of the charm,
I think.
Copy !req
1937. To help defray costs associated
with the new 3D technology,
Copy !req
1938. the production team moved
to the west coast.
Copy !req
1939. and by the spring of 1982,
Copy !req
1940. the search was underway for yet
another resourceful
Copy !req
1941. female survivor
and a youthful cast
Copy !req
1942. of soon-to-be victims.
Copy !req
1943. I sat in on the casting,
Copy !req
1944. and I was surprised
how different my ideas
Copy !req
1945. of who should be the girl were
Copy !req
1946. compared to who was selected
by Steve Miner.
Copy !req
1947. Well, I had done a film called
"Sweet Sixteen,"
Copy !req
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the producer/director
Copy !req
1949. saw me in that,
Copy !req
1950. And I went for an audition and
basically met with Steve Miner
Copy !req
1951. and that was it.
Copy !req
1952. I didn't really have to do a
whole lot of auditioning for it.
Copy !req
1953. There was a group of us.
There was the jock,
Copy !req
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Copy !req
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and his good-looking date...
Copy !req
1956. I don't think so.
Copy !req
1957. And the stoners.
Copy !req
1958. They didn't really tell us much
on the interview.
Copy !req
1959. It was very secret. There
wasn't a lot talked about.
Copy !req
1960. My mother was an agent
at the time,
Copy !req
1961. and I was getting ready
to go to college.
Copy !req
1962. I had been working as a child
as an actress,
Copy !req
1963. and it was time to go
to college,
Copy !req
1964. and I was excited about that.
Copy !req
1965. My mom called my agent and said,
Copy !req
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for a movie of some sort.
Copy !req
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Copy !req
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what it was,
Copy !req
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It was wonderful.
Copy !req
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approached on the street
Copy !req
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Copy !req
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for the role
Copy !req
1973. of the overweight,
insecure prankster.
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if you looked like this?
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and heavy,
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self- esteem
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these little tricks,
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to him,
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like him.
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I fooled you, huh?
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that way.
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these stupid things?
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to like me.
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she was supposed to be a babe.
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who go, you know,
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the character and I love you.
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1990. And then I do talk to a certain
amount of people who go—
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Worst character in the series.
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in "Part 2,"
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needed someone more agile,
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1995. more athletic and more powerful
to play the savage killer.
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as a stuntman in LA.
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1997. My background
is actually circus.
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1998. I spent most of my life
as a flying trapeze artist
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2000. He looked like the boogeyman.
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2001. He looked creepy and scary
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had him moving.
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2003. There's a certain
malevolent intelligence
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2004. to the character in 3 that's not
seen in the other movies per se.
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Steve Miner at all actually.
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you know,
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2007. "Don't ever come to me and ask
me what your motivation is
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2009. You're just a mindless killer,
and you just go out and kill.
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version of "Jaws."
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that Steve Miner made
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lurking and unseen,
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creative choice
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to try to keep Jason
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as a shadowy figure
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and having Jason stand there.
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throughout the whole movie
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or see, you know,
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2021. how big Jason was until right
at the climax of the movie.
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laid-back director,
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a lot of tension on the set
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2024. so it was easy to work with him.
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2025. I had worked in the business
since I was 2 years old,
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2026. and I had worked
with a lot of directors.
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2027. And a lot of in my mind,
directors were grown-ups
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2028. and Steve was another kid.
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2029. Never difficult.
Never hard on us.
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2030. Just a nice guy.
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to his idol Alfred Hitchcock,
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in an early cameo
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2033. playing the newscaster reporting
on the grisly aftermath
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2034. of "Part 2."
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2035. Crystal Lake
was shocked today
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2036. with reports of a grisly,
mass-murder scene.
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2037. Naturally, the ominous warning
goes unheeded
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2038. by Jason's
next batch of victims.
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2039. I have warned thee!
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2040. You know, a lot of kids don't
listen to the news, you know?
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2041. They got better things to do
with their life.
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2042. So I think it's understandable
that all of us would be,
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2043. you know, heading up
to Crystal Lake
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2044. to be with our friends.
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the events in "Part 2,"
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Saturday the 14th,
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2047. but don't tell anyone.
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2048. It was filmed at a ranch
in Saugus, California.
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2049. They actually built
the set there
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2050. so everything
was in one location.
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2051. They built a little lake.
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2052. They built the barn.
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2053. They built the house and so
everything was done right there.
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2054. Shooting was put off
for a day or so
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2055. because there was an infestation
of bees around.
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2056. So there were
rattlesnakes everywhere
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2057. and some of the guys,
some of the grips had guns
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2058. and then they'd hear
this gun going off
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2059. because they were shooting
rattlesnakes.
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2060. Here we are on the set of
"Friday the 13th Part 3,"
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2061. In 3D.
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2062. Over here's the house
that we used,
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2063. that unfortunately burned
about a year ago,
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2064. but the fireplace
is still there.
Copy !req
2065. But this house was built
just for us.
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2066. It was a great atmosphere.
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2067. Our producer was young.
Our director was young.
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2068. The whole cast
were a bunch of young kids.
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2069. And it was a very relaxed
atmosphere.
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2070. Everyone having a good time,
and everyone having fun.
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2071. Well, it was also the first
movie with the 3D camera,
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2072. which was kind of exciting.
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2073. I mean, it was a very
unusual camera.
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2074. This was the lens that was used
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2075. to shoot "Friday the 13th
Part 3 in 3D."
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2076. As you can see, it's really
light weight and handheld,
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2077. and it permitted you to really
make a horror movie
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2078. the way other horror movies
are made.
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2079. We could do things like shoot
long lenses with it.
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2080. We could do rack focuses
with it.
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2081. Steve Miner did wonderful work
with Gerry Fiel
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2082. by shooting a whole picture
on a moving Louma crane.
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2083. The first feature film
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2084. to utilize the all-new
Marks 3D system,
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2085. "Friday the 13th Part 3"
encountered more than its share
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2086. of technical mishaps
along the way.
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2087. The 3D was very difficult.
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2088. It was a brand new process.
No one had ever used it before.
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2089. Today 3D, I'm sure,
has come much farther
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2090. and is a lot easier to shoot.
Copy !req
2091. Back then it would take hours
to set up a shot.
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2092. There was a lot of time
to just, as an actor,
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2093. to just sit around and wait.
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2094. That's what we did mostly.
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2095. And there was always
something going wrong with it.
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2096. We were using at the time,
which was very new,
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2097. a Louma crane.
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2098. And in the first run they did
down the track,
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2099. it collapsed.
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2100. The whole thing went over.
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2101. So, you know, they had to start
all over again.
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2102. And I remember
the guy who ran it,
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2103. he showed up one day
with a shirt that said,
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2104. "l Hate the Louma."
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2105. The first thing we shot
was the scene at the store,
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2106. and they ended up
basically throwing that away
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2107. because it was really
just a test
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2108. to see if it could be done
and then they revised it,
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2109. and we came back a week later
and then we did it.
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2110. You had to do it exactly
the way you were directed,
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2111. or the 3D effect
wouldn't turn out.
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2112. So it was very precise.
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2113. Often times we would do
additional takes
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2114. just because
there were technical issues.
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2115. So as an actor
that was a little frustrating.
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2116. When we're doing takes,
you know,
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2117. I'm throwing the wallet at
the camera in the store just
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2118. it's just take after take
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2119. because you have to hit
right to the camera
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2120. otherwise it doesn't work.
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2121. So things did take
more takes than usual
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2122. because I had to be perfectly
right into the camera.
Copy !req
2123. You weren't really worried so
much about your acting skills
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2124. as much as could you get
that yo-yo
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2125. to go right in the lens.
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2126. That was more important
than anything else.
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2127. Director Steve Miner
focused on creating
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2128. a totally new look for Jason
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2129. and a host of gory
practical effects
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2130. that needed to leap out
at the audience in 3D.
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2131. Some of the good 3D gags,
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2132. he puts a knitting needle
through a woman's mouth
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2133. so it comes out the front.
Copy !req
2134. When it comes out her mouth,
Copy !req
2135. it's actually a plastic version
of the knitting needle
Copy !req
2136. connected to the original one,
Copy !req
2137. and it's actually behind
Richard's hand.
Copy !req
2138. She just has her mouth open,
Copy !req
2139. and it's being fed
down the side of his hand
Copy !req
2140. and out through his fingers.
Copy !req
2141. It's definitely a movie
that should be seen in 3D.
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2142. If you watch it on DVD,
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2143. it just a lot of the stuff
just doesn't work.
Copy !req
2144. When you watch it on 3D,
it's like a whole other movie.
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2145. People who see it
in a good 3D projection
Copy !req
2146. do say
it is one of their favorites.
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2147. "Part 3" had me at the credits.
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2148. When those credits came out
part way and the whole music,
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2149. the whole disco thing,
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2150. and then they came out further,
was so cool.
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2151. The creative force behind the
film's now famous disco theme
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2152. was renowned music producer
Michael Zager,
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2153. who shared credit
with a fictional band
Copy !req
2154. that he named "Hot lce."
Copy !req
2155. I'm not sure if disco was dead,
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2156. but it was certainly
it was still around.
Copy !req
2157. Disco really never
goes away anyway.
Copy !req
2158. Once you hear it,
you start to move,
Copy !req
2159. you feel you feel the groove,
I guess, you know.
Copy !req
2160. I had no idea that this would
become such a huge
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2161. and popular thing.
Copy !req
2162. For example, in all the discos,
gay clubs.
Copy !req
2163. I understand there's actually
a tribute band
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2164. who plays that particular piece
live which astounds me.
Copy !req
2165. People just come to me and like,
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2166. "l just really love that tune."
Copy !req
2167. Get yourself
a little drum machine
Copy !req
2168. and you're on your way.
Copy !req
2169. You, too, can be Hot lce.
Copy !req
2170. In one of the film's
more memorable scenes,
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2171. Shelly and Vera
are accosted at a general store
Copy !req
2172. by a fearsome
motorcycle-riding trio.
Copy !req
2173. Hey, we're back in the store
where we filmed the scene
Copy !req
2174. in "Friday the 13th Part 3."
Copy !req
2175. This is
the Spunky Canyon Market.
Copy !req
2176. It is located in Green Valley,
California.
Copy !req
2177. This is the scene where we go
to the store to buy stuff,
Copy !req
2178. and Vera goes to talk to
the cash register girl,
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2179. and she says that famous line
Copy !req
2180. We don't accept no food stamps.
Copy !req
2181. The other two members of
the gang, Fox and Ali,
Copy !req
2182. played by Gloria Charles
and Nick Savage,
Copy !req
2183. were great and I think that,
very much like myself,
Copy !req
2184. I don't think that that
was their natural role.
Copy !req
2185. Then they throw
the condom thing in.
Copy !req
2186. Is this your rubber?
Copy !req
2187. I was more embarrassed
than the character,
Copy !req
2188. the other character
was supposed to be
Copy !req
2189. about someone talking
about a condom.
Copy !req
2190. Right behind me iswas where
the motorcycles were.
Copy !req
2191. There's that scene
where the car backs up
Copy !req
2192. and one time I did
hit the motorcycle on accident,
Copy !req
2193. and they were not happy with me.
Copy !req
2194. One of the first things we shot
Copy !req
2195. when we started shooting
the movie
Copy !req
2196. was the sequence
in the Volkswagen
Copy !req
2197. and somebody smashes
the Volkswagen window out,
Copy !req
2198. and Larry Zerner
looks to the camera and said
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2199. You went too far this time.
Copy !req
2200. Shelly gets us out of there
Copy !req
2201. and I think shared experiences,
you know,
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2202. like that bring people together.
Copy !req
2203. I did it! Did I do it?
Copy !req
2204. Yes, you did it.
You were great!
Copy !req
2205. So there was a scene
that was in the original script
Copy !req
2206. that we never shot
Copy !req
2207. where the Volkswagen
headed down that road
Copy !req
2208. and then the motorcycle gang
got on the motorcycles
Copy !req
2209. and chased us down.
Copy !req
2210. And Shelly
had a champagne bottle
Copy !req
2211. that he bought at the store,
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2212. and what he did is
he popped the cork
Copy !req
2213. into their face
Copy !req
2214. which caused the motorcycle
to fly off
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2215. and them to be able to get away.
Copy !req
2216. And it would have been
a whole lot of fun
Copy !req
2217. but we never shot it.
Copy !req
2218. And I don't know why.
Copy !req
2219. One of my favorite shots
in the movie
Copy !req
2220. is when we're going to siphon
the gas out of the van
Copy !req
2221. and that great shot
of Tracie Savage
Copy !req
2222. that goes basically
from her behind to me.
Copy !req
2223. I love the idea
of siphoning gas
Copy !req
2224. with a lit cigarette.
Copy !req
2225. It's amazing.
The barn's still here.
Copy !req
2226. Right above is actually where
my little body
Copy !req
2227. was swinging back and forth.
Copy !req
2228. The swinging part
was the scariest part for me
Copy !req
2229. because they had this harness
on me inside my pants
Copy !req
2230. that were way too tight.
Copy !req
2231. I was absolutely
afraid of heights.
Copy !req
2232. And I took this
as an opportunity
Copy !req
2233. for me to just face that fear
and say
Copy !req
2234. This feels good!
Copy !req
2235. Inside is where I so
stupidly walked in.
Copy !req
2236. Amazing. That's where
I was pitchforked.
Copy !req
2237. The stunt coordinator had
hooked her up on a wire support
Copy !req
2238. to the rafters
so she was already in position.
Copy !req
2239. The fork was actually
a real pitchfork
Copy !req
2240. but had the two prongs
in the center were collapsible,
Copy !req
2241. and the hard part
was for me to not giggle
Copy !req
2242. while I was hanging there.
Copy !req
2243. Same thing for the one
biker guy who Jason stabs.
Copy !req
2244. So we had to cut off the tangs
in the back
Copy !req
2245. and that welded to a plate
and put that on his back.
Copy !req
2246. We needed to get the impact
of the pitchfork
Copy !req
2247. and then be certain
that the handle
Copy !req
2248. was sticking at the direct point
of the camera.
Copy !req
2249. I didn't put up a struggle.
Copy !req
2250. I didn't, you know I just said
"Okay, it's my turn."
Copy !req
2251. I was a fairly good juggler
before being cast in the movie,
Copy !req
2252. and originally they had asked us
to do paddle balls.
Copy !req
2253. No matter how good you are,
Copy !req
2254. you can't get the ball
to go into the camera.
Copy !req
2255. The ball goes like that.
Copy !req
2256. You can'tit won't go
into the camera.
Copy !req
2257. So it just wasn't working
with the paddle balls.
Copy !req
2258. Jeffrey could juggle
a little bit,
Copy !req
2259. and I helped him
get a little better
Copy !req
2260. and so me and Jeff
did the juggling scene.
Copy !req
2261. Later in the film,
it is revealed
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2262. that Chris was attacked by Jason
several years earlier.
Copy !req
2263. But for actress Dana Kimmell,
Copy !req
2264. the implication that her
character may have been
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2265. sexually violated by Jason
simply went too far.
Copy !req
2266. He had a knife...
and he attacked me with it!
Copy !req
2267. I came on the set
and Dana and Steve
Copy !req
2268. were arguing about what
the character should be like.
Copy !req
2269. Steve was insisting for a sort
of daring girl
Copy !req
2270. and which she remained
in the end.
Copy !req
2271. But Dana wanted someone that had
a certain kind of purity.
Copy !req
2272. He ran after me.
Copy !req
2273. He caught me, and he pulled me
down to the ground.
Copy !req
2274. As far as the monologue goes,
Copy !req
2275. I don't remember all the
particulars that go with it,
Copy !req
2276. but I know I always wanted Chris
to be portrayed
Copy !req
2277. as a very positive character.
Copy !req
2278. I don't know what happened
after that,
Copy !req
2279. I just don't know!
Copy !req
2280. In fact, the revelation that
she might have been violated
Copy !req
2281. was the most shocking
Copy !req
2282. because that scene was a sort
of controversial scene.
Copy !req
2283. "Should we have it,
should we not have it?"'
Copy !req
2284. At any rate,
it was something that she won,
Copy !req
2285. so to speak.
Copy !req
2286. Dana Kimmell
Copy !req
2287. was and is
the consummate professional,
Copy !req
2288. and she worked hard.
Copy !req
2289. I mean, certainly
the movie had a bunch of goofy
Copy !req
2290. sexuality innuendo in it
as it was,
Copy !req
2291. but I don't think it was hurt
by that
Copy !req
2292. if that was indeed the case.
Copy !req
2293. The film's true defining moment
saw the transformation
Copy !req
2294. of Jason Voorhees
from slasher movie footnote
Copy !req
2295. into movie monster legend.
Copy !req
2296. And no one would ever look
at a hockey mask
Copy !req
2297. the same way again.
Copy !req
2298. In "Friday the 13th Part 3,"
Copy !req
2299. Jason wears,
for the very first time,
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2300. a hockey mask
which he has taken from Shelly.
Copy !req
2301. You just see Jason suddenly turn
up in Shelly's hockey mask.
Copy !req
2302. So you know that,
you know, Shelly's dead.
Copy !req
2303. He not only has the hockey mask,
Copy !req
2304. he has another mask
that he actually wears
Copy !req
2305. earlier in the movie.
Copy !req
2306. He actually thought to bring
two masks up to Crystal Lake,
Copy !req
2307. along with the spear gun
and a wetsuit
Copy !req
2308. and I guess a change of clothes,
all in this little bag
Copy !req
2309. What do you got in there?
Copy !req
2310. My whole world.
Copy !req
2311. This dock behind me,
Copy !req
2312. this is where
the legend of Jason was born.
Copy !req
2313. This is the first time we saw
him step out in the hockey mask.
Copy !req
2314. The birth of Jason.
Copy !req
2315. I was never a huge fan
of the sack
Copy !req
2316. because I just felt like
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2317. it didn't have
any real substance to it,
Copy !req
2318. and we wanted something
that would mask Jason.
Copy !req
2319. But at the same time, you know,
Copy !req
2320. it had to have
a level of menace to it.
Copy !req
2321. Sam Winston
made a latex mask.
Copy !req
2322. And that's what I wore
all the way through the movie.
Copy !req
2323. For some unknown reason
they didn't like the mask.
Copy !req
2324. They thought it looked too much
like a monster,
Copy !req
2325. and so they came up
with the idea to cover it
Copy !req
2326. with a hockey mask.
Copy !req
2327. I don't think at the time
it really struck me,
Copy !req
2328. when I saw the hockey mask,
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2329. that this was going to just go
on and on
Copy !req
2330. to "Friday the 13th Part 11
and so on.
Copy !req
2331. But I can see why.
Copy !req
2332. It did kind of create this
imposing, ominous character.
Copy !req
2333. I think the whole hockey mask
thing was kind of a fluke.
Copy !req
2334. I'm not really sure
how it came about.
Copy !req
2335. God, who came up
with the hockey mask?
Copy !req
2336. I don't really know.
Copy !req
2337. My recollection was that,
you know,
Copy !req
2338. multiple kinds of masks
were brought around
Copy !req
2339. and so on and so forth,
Copy !req
2340. and then somebody brought
the hockey mask and said,
Copy !req
2341. "Hockey mask, that's great."
Copy !req
2342. I think it was Frank
that brought the mask.
Copy !req
2343. I'm sure it was Steven.
Copy !req
2344. I mean, he was really thoughtful
and really knew that genre.
Copy !req
2345. The one thing that everybody
likes to take credit for
Copy !req
2346. is who put the hockey mask
on Jason.
Copy !req
2347. And I must admit, in modesty,
Copy !req
2348. that I put the hockey mask
on Jason.
Copy !req
2349. Peter Schindler, Marty Becker
Copy !req
2350. and Marty Sadoff were all
hockey fans...
Copy !req
2351. and it was their idea
to come up with a hockey mask
Copy !req
2352. to cover the face up.
Copy !req
2353. Success has a lot of fathers,
Copy !req
2354. and everybody's willing to take
a little bit of credit for it,
Copy !req
2355. I think,
and maybe that's just the best.
Copy !req
2356. Once we had the mask, it was
sort of said, "This is it.
Copy !req
2357. This is ourthis is our
signature piece."
Copy !req
2358. It's part of the iconography
of what this movie is,
Copy !req
2359. and so I wanted to make sure
that we held onto that.
Copy !req
2360. With the look of its iconic
character now fully realized,
Copy !req
2361. Jason could get back to doing
what he does best.
Copy !req
2362. Hey, now cut that out right now.
That's not funny!
Copy !req
2363. When that spear comes
out in the audience,
Copy !req
2364. everybody is reflexively
avoiding that.
Copy !req
2365. I mean, that was awesome.
Copy !req
2366. And there was a cable that
was actually set up
Copy !req
2367. on the post that ran across
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2368. to where she was standing,
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2369. and I basically think,
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2370. kind of was rigged
in such a way
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2371. that I actually hooked the gun
onto the cable
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2372. and shot it so it went
straight down the cable.
Copy !req
2373. And then we made an acrylic
plate that fit over her eyeball.
Copy !req
2374. We had to do it in one take
Copy !req
2375. because the minute
I hit the water,
Copy !req
2376. the little prosthetic
was kind of spongy,
Copy !req
2377. and it would absorb the water
and just kind of slide off.
Copy !req
2378. But it was fun.
It was really a lot of fun.
Copy !req
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Copy !req
2380. Well, first
we take our clothes off.
Copy !req
2381. For me, the most
trying situation
Copy !req
2382. about making this movie
was that I was a kid
Copy !req
2383. and this was the first movie
I had ever done
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2384. without my parent on the set.
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2385. I was 18 and I had to do
a shower scene
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2386. where there was
some frontal nudity.
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2387. In the beginning,
I might have been
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2388. a little uncomfortable with it
but all these years later,
Copy !req
2389. I think, 'Wow, I had
a pretty nice body.'
Copy !req
2390. Jeffrey Rogers' part
in the show
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2391. was he came walking down
the hallway on his hands,
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2392. and he's basically wearing
just a pair of jeans
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2393. and then Jason shows up
with a machete
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2394. and basically splits him
in half from the groin down
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2395. through his chest.
Copy !req
2396. So he splits wide open.
Copy !req
2397. I mean,
that is horrifically gory
Copy !req
2398. but it's classic Jason.
Copy !req
2399. And we did a body cast
of him in pieces.
Copy !req
2400. They actually, in the house,
Copy !req
2401. built a Plexiglas floor that the
camera was mounted down inside
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2402. so we could do the shot
through the floor,
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2403. up to the ceiling.
Copy !req
2404. Then, of course,
there's the next scene
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2405. where Tracie Savage sees Jeffrey
stuffed up in the rafters.
Copy !req
2406. Even actress Tracie Savage
was unaware
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2407. of just how closely
her on- screen death
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2408. resembled that of a certain
famous, yet ill-fated, character
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2409. from the original
"Friday the 13th."
Copy !req
2410. I had no idea that Kevin Bacon
and I have so much in common.
Copy !req
2411. Another six degree separation
from Kevin Bacon.
Copy !req
2412. There you go.
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2413. We died the same way?
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2414. I was in makeup for 4 hours
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2415. so that they could
glue this torso to my neck.
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2416. Then it was lighting
for another 2-3 hours.
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2417. All for a 3-second shot.
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2418. And you had to get it right
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2419. because then, if you don't,
you gotta do it all over again.
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2420. So we were all kind of
on pins and needles.
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2421. I think that line...
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2422. We would have
been there already
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2423. if some people didn't have to
go to the bathroom
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2424. every five minutes.
Copy !req
2425. That's what happens
when you're pregnant.
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2426. was put in there just to make
the teenage kids go... ooh.
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2427. and then when I'm killed make
it even more grisly and awful.
Copy !req
2428. This is a pregnant woman.
Copy !req
2429. There was never a death scene
filmed for Shelly.
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2430. It was always—that's exactly
how it was in the script.
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2431. I guess you're supposed
to think, well,
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2432. maybe he's joking again?
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2433. Nice make-up job.
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2434. Although obviously the audience
knows he's not joking
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2435. because they've seen Jason kill
a bunch of people.
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2436. I think I did the first take,
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2437. and I think I heard
some people chuckling.
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2438. They were like -
they were like, 'That's bad.'
Copy !req
2439. I was like—
that all got into my head.
Copy !req
2440. It's not the greatest
death scene in the world.
Copy !req
2441. Well, I don't know
what's going on,
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2442. but I'm gonna go outside
and take a look around.
Copy !req
2443. I think my favorite kill
was probably
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2444. Rick getting his eye popped out.
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2445. They did change the name
of the character.
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it was Derek,
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2447. and the reason
why they changed it
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2448. was at the end of the film
when I go outside,
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2449. and I get killed,
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2450. and she comes out and starts
yelling the name out,
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2451. that they wanted a monosyllabic
name for her to say.
Copy !req
2452. Rick?
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2453. You know, of course,
Copy !req
2454. the death
that my character experienced,
Copy !req
2455. me getting my head crushed,
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2456. was I mean, this was, yeah,
that's historic.
Copy !req
2457. I just remember when
Paul's eyeball popped out,
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2458. the whole audience just screamed
at that one and it was like,
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2459. Oh, that's great.
Copy !req
2460. Technically,
it was very hard to do,
Copy !req
2461. and it was one of those things
Copy !req
2462. you only had one chance
of doing it,
Copy !req
2463. especially the 3D effect.
Copy !req
2464. Well, in actuality we did
the Paul Kratka head twice.
Copy !req
2465. I was actually playing
with a bunch of stuff
Copy !req
2466. trying to figure out how to make
and collapse the head properly.
Copy !req
2467. Anytime they wanted to,
we could just pull the string
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2468. and the eye
would pop out of the socket
Copy !req
2469. and come straight down the line
toward camera.
Copy !req
2470. The last part of the filming
was basically Jason and Chris.
Copy !req
2471. And a lot of night shooting.
Copy !req
2472. She runs up the stairs, and
I'm at the bottom of the stairs
Copy !req
2473. and she tips the bookcase up
on top of me.
Copy !req
2474. And I have to say
that hurt like hell.
Copy !req
2475. It's Dana who finds me
in the closet later on
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2476. with the knife
sticking out of my neck
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2477. after I've already been killed.
Copy !req
2478. It was an easy day. I didn't
have to memorize any lines.
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2479. When he's breaking down
that door,
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2480. and the whole thing where
he gets stabbed in the hand
Copy !req
2481. and stabbed in the leg,
those are intense moments.
Copy !req
2482. I mean, those grip you
Copy !req
2483. because then it becomes him
not so much a monster
Copy !req
2484. as a human who has
monstrous capabilities.
Copy !req
2485. And then I chased her
up the stairs,
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2486. and she went in
through the bedroom window
Copy !req
2487. and went out the window.
Copy !req
2488. Then she tried to run away
in the car,
Copy !req
2489. and the car ran out of gas
on the bridge.
Copy !req
2490. No!
Copy !req
2491. I think I kept in shape
doing that film.
Copy !req
2492. There were —
there was a time or two
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2493. where I was running
through the woods
Copy !req
2494. right after the scene
where he grabs me in the van,
Copy !req
2495. and, you know,
breaks the window with his head,
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2496. and I bolt out the other side.
Copy !req
2497. There's a place
where I run and fall,
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2498. and actually when I did that,
I didn't get hurt
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2499. but people in the cast—
in the crew were just gasping
Copy !req
2500. because they thought
I had really fallen
Copy !req
2501. and smacked my face.
Copy !req
2502. So that was good.
Copy !req
2503. When I went into the barn
after her,
Copy !req
2504. you know, it was—Steve and l
had obviously spoken about it,
Copy !req
2505. and Jason at this point is now
really angry
Copy !req
2506. because he hasn't managed to do
what he wanted to do
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2507. and that was kill her.
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2508. And so, he just said, you know,
Copy !req
2509. we don't need the barn anymore
so just tear it up.
Copy !req
2510. So I grabbed whatever I could
and smashed whatever I could.
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2511. But then the scene
in the barn on the beam,
Copy !req
2512. I actually did that
and shimmied out
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2513. and that was,
you know, I don't know,
Copy !req
2514. 20 feet above the ground,
Copy !req
2515. and I ended up with some bruises
from that one,
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2516. but I turned out okay.
Copy !req
2517. Jason gets pushed
out of the barn,
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2518. and he's hanging and the mask
has to come off,
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2519. and she sees his face
for the first time
Copy !req
2520. and recognizes who he is.
- It's you!
Copy !req
2521. We had a mold
of Richard Brooker's head,
Copy !req
2522. and we wanted the axe
to be able to stick,
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2523. so that's why we used
the rigid polyfoam
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2524. so the axe had something
to stick into.
Copy !req
2525. There wasn't that much makeup
until the dream sequence.
Copy !req
2526. I used to have to go in
and do about 6,
Copy !req
2527. sometimes 7 hours of makeup.
Copy !req
2528. And it was 11 different
appliances
Copy !req
2529. that they glued to my face,
Copy !req
2530. with the one eye lower down,
Copy !req
2531. you know, and certain teeth
and the whole thing.
Copy !req
2532. It was awfully painful.
Copy !req
2533. I mean, he had to be in that
make-up for like 6 hours,
Copy !req
2534. and it was hot and sweaty.
Copy !req
2535. And you could see that he
was very uncomfortable.
Copy !req
2536. The bad part about it was
that as soon as they finished,
Copy !req
2537. it was usually lunch time,
and I couldn't eat.
Copy !req
2538. So they used to give me
Tiger's Milk through a straw
Copy !req
2539. so I would get some nourishment
for the day.
Copy !req
2540. We shot the ending twice.
Copy !req
2541. We actually did another ending.
Copy !req
2542. Dana Kimmell comes up to the
door of the house in a dream,
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2543. and Jason comes through the
front door and decapitates her.
Copy !req
2544. And that was just
an alternate ending
Copy !req
2545. that somewhere along the lines
somebody came up with.
Copy !req
2546. It was a very quick thing.
Copy !req
2547. It wasn't something that,
you know,
Copy !req
2548. we knew was going to happen
in advance.
Copy !req
2549. It was just kind of
one of those added scenes
Copy !req
2550. that they said let's just
do this real quick.
Copy !req
2551. It was only when we did
the infamous alternate ending
Copy !req
2552. that you really started
to see his face
Copy !req
2553. and that's what
they didn't like,
Copy !req
2554. and that's why
the alternate ending
Copy !req
2555. was totally scrapped
out of the movie.
Copy !req
2556. So we made the mask.
We sculpted it.
Copy !req
2557. Then they came up with the new
dream sequence
Copy !req
2558. that Jason's at the house,
Copy !req
2559. and she sees him
at the top window
Copy !req
2560. and then comes down and blasts
through the door.
Copy !req
2561. Steve Miner said that he wanted
this creature
Copy !req
2562. to come out of the lake as if
it was Mrs. Voorhees
Copy !req
2563. who had been down there
for awhile.
Copy !req
2564. I have no idea
how she got her body back,
Copy !req
2565. but it's a dream.
Copy !req
2566. They gave us Marilyn Poucher
and just said,
Copy !req
2567. "She's your guinea pig.
Use her."
Copy !req
2568. Little did she know
what she was in for.
Copy !req
2569. Once we started
doing the makeup,
Copy !req
2570. it took about 6 hours,
Copy !req
2571. and I remember
just sort of like,
Copy !req
2572. falling asleep at certain times.
Copy !req
2573. It was just downright horrible
Copy !req
2574. because the water was just
full of mosquito larvae
Copy !req
2575. and baby frogs and tadpoles.
Copy !req
2576. It was just like—
oh, it was pretty nasty.
Copy !req
2577. Covered her in river slime
and vinyl worms,
Copy !req
2578. and the rest is history.
Copy !req
2579. So this is the actual mask
that was done of my skin.
Copy !req
2580. It's a little, a little—
oh, here's a worm.
Copy !req
2581. Luckily they were able
to cut it off,
Copy !req
2582. and we peeled it off
Copy !req
2583. because then I had to do
the shot three more times.
Copy !req
2584. While not as deliberately
ambiguous
Copy !req
2585. as the ending of "Part 2,"
Copy !req
2586. the film's conclusion suggests
Copy !req
2587. that the door has again
been left open
Copy !req
2588. for the return of Jason.
Copy !req
2589. But what of the fate
of traumatized Chris Higgins
Copy !req
2590. who was never seen
or heard from again?
Copy !req
2591. I would say Chris has recovered.
Copy !req
2592. Even though she drove away
looking like she was losing it
Copy !req
2593. there in the back
of the cop car,
Copy !req
2594. I think
that she was strong enough
Copy !req
2595. to recover and move on.
Copy !req
2596. And that's the way I wanted
to portray that character,
Copy !req
2597. as a survivor,
and I think Chris did that.
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2598. A new dimension in terror.
Copy !req
2599. It will scare you!
Copy !req
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was released on August 1 3, 1 982
Copy !req
2601. with Paramount spending
millions of dollars
Copy !req
2602. to equip theaters
with the new technology
Copy !req
2603. required to show the 3D film.
Copy !req
2604. Their investment
quickly paid off
Copy !req
2605. when the film managed
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2606. to knock the year's reigning
box office champion,
Copy !req
2607. Steven Spielberg's "E.T.,"
from the #1 spot.
Copy !req
2608. With a final U.S. take
of $36.7 million,
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2609. "Friday the 13th Part 3"
Copy !req
2610. ushered in a new wave
of 3D films in the 1980s.
Copy !req
2611. And remains one of the most
profitable installments
Copy !req
2612. of the franchise.
Copy !req
2613. I believe the choice to do this
in 3D
Copy !req
2614. was really risky but,
in retrospect,
Copy !req
2615. it was brilliant.
Copy !req
2616. "Friday the 13th Part 3"
was the first big hit 3D movie
Copy !req
2617. of the 80s and the audience
was just screaming.
Copy !req
2618. And we made our money back
Copy !req
2619. before the first matinee show
in Los Angeles.
Copy !req
2620. And I find that very rewarding,
Copy !req
2621. and it's been great being
able to meet people
Copy !req
2622. that appreciate
and have enjoyed those films
Copy !req
2623. from back then.
Copy !req
2624. Actress Tracie Savage went on
to a successful career
Copy !req
2625. as a broadcast journalist.
Copy !req
2626. Best known for her coverage
Copy !req
2627. of the sensational OJ Simpson
murder trial in 1995.
Copy !req
2628. As a news reporter
Copy !req
2629. in different markets
all across the country,
Copy !req
2630. people knew where to find me.
Copy !req
2631. They'd see me on the air
Copy !req
2632. and every newsroom I've ever
worked in,
Copy !req
2633. I've always gotten fan mail
from "Friday the 13th" fans.
Copy !req
2634. And I still do. I still do.
Copy !req
2635. Part of the charm
of the movies are, is that,
Copy !req
2636. you know, it really
invited people to engage.
Copy !req
2637. It really invited people
to go out, have fun.
Copy !req
2638. And when we did that film,
at the time
Copy !req
2639. that was going to be the last
"Friday the 13th."
Copy !req
2640. At the wrap party,
Frank Mancuso declared
Copy !req
2641. that he was not going to produce
another one.
Copy !req
2642. This is the permanent death.
Copy !req
2643. We're not
going to do this again.
Copy !req
2644. This is it. He's dead.
Copy !req
2645. They really stressed the fact
Copy !req
2646. that they wanted to make sure
that I had killed Jason
Copy !req
2647. because that was going to be it.
Copy !req
2648. because that was going to be it.
Copy !req
2649. When Paramount announced
a fourth 'Friday the 13th"
Copy !req
2650. at the end of 1983,
Copy !req
2651. producer Frank Mancuso, Jr.
Copy !req
2652. was feeling
the critical backlash
Copy !req
2653. against slasher films.
Copy !req
2654. And 'Friday the 13th"
in particular.
Copy !req
2655. He decided it was time
to kill off Jason
Copy !req
2656. once and for all.
Copy !req
2657. When we got done with 3,
Copy !req
2658. I was like, "Okay,
Copy !req
2659. what I want to do now is l
really want to bring this thing
Copy !req
2660. to an effective close."
Copy !req
2661. With the departure
of Steve Miner,
Copy !req
2662. Mancuso
and investor Phil Scuderi
Copy !req
2663. set their sights on finding
a new director.
Copy !req
2664. Their search led them
to Joseph Zito,
Copy !req
2665. who had impressed Scuderi
with his 1981 slasher film,
Copy !req
2666. "The Prowler."
Copy !req
2667. With an early draft
of the script
Copy !req
2668. written by the late
Bruce Hidemi Sakow,
Copy !req
2669. the filmmakers set out to make
the best and "final" chapter.
Copy !req
2670. The people at Paramount
said this to me.
Copy !req
2671. They weren't going to do
any more films
Copy !req
2672. and this was the last.
Copy !req
2673. So I knew that it would be
book ended
Copy !req
2674. with a dead Jason
and another dead Jason,
Copy !req
2675. you know, at the end.
Copy !req
2676. We'll do some things
that refer to our past.
Copy !req
2677. Jason's out there.
Copy !req
2678. We'll bring this thing
to its rightful conclusion.
Copy !req
2679. Noooo!
Copy !req
2680. And we'll be done.
Copy !req
2681. So the idea for the last movie,
Copy !req
2682. which we thought
"The Final Chapter" was,
Copy !req
2683. was just to resurrect Jason
one more time
Copy !req
2684. and then kill him in a way
where the film grammar
Copy !req
2685. said he's really dead.
Copy !req
2686. I wanted to pick it up
exactly where Friday 3 left off.
Copy !req
2687. That he was on the ground just
exactly where you had left him.
Copy !req
2688. We crane down on a bunch
of police cars arriving,
Copy !req
2689. helicopter has a searchlight.
Copy !req
2690. You know, gives you kind of
a big-budget feel
Copy !req
2691. and very dramatic opening.
Copy !req
2692. I held off Jason
coming to life for a long time
Copy !req
2693. in the film.
Copy !req
2694. The audience is continuously
on edge through these kind
Copy !req
2695. of languorous, elegant shots.
Copy !req
2696. When is Jason going
to re-awaken?
Copy !req
2697. The audience certainly is not
going to believe he's dead,
Copy !req
2698. but they become co-conspirators
in bringing him to life.
Copy !req
2699. They start yelling at the screen
for him to get up.
Copy !req
2700. So instead of groaning
that he gets up too soon,
Copy !req
2701. and they say, aw, this is fake,
they make him get up.
Copy !req
2702. As Jason's put into the freezer,
Copy !req
2703. we see a little puff of air
so we get the first hint
Copy !req
2704. that Jason is not dead.
Copy !req
2705. Once again, the producers chose
to recast the role of Jason.
Copy !req
2706. This time turning to a rough
trade Hollywood veteran
Copy !req
2707. to don the hockey mask.
Copy !req
2708. Regarding the actor
to play Jason,
Copy !req
2709. I wanted to go with a really
experienced Hollywood stuntman
Copy !req
2710. and Ted White was a very—
Copy !req
2711. he had doubled famous, you know,
Hollwood actors.
Copy !req
2712. He was an older guy, way older,
Copy !req
2713. twice the age,
almost three times the age
Copy !req
2714. of some of the kids
he was killing.
Copy !req
2715. I actually turned it down
to begin with
Copy !req
2716. and later on I did accept it.
Copy !req
2717. After I accepted it,
I did go down
Copy !req
2718. and rent two of the Jasons,
Copy !req
2719. and I watched Jason itself,
Copy !req
2720. how he moved and so forth.
Copy !req
2721. And I felt that I'd like to
play him a little bit different.
Copy !req
2722. I'd like for him to move
a little bit different.
Copy !req
2723. I didn't want that
slow motion routine anymore,
Copy !req
2724. and I thought that if this is
the final chapter,
Copy !req
2725. then that's the way
I'd like to take it out.
Copy !req
2726. He has a sense
of dramatic timing
Copy !req
2727. that other Jasons, you know,
maybe didn't think about
Copy !req
2728. in the same way because they
didn't have 40 years experience
Copy !req
2729. of being before the camera.
Copy !req
2730. There was a nurse there
that I'm supposed to strangle,
Copy !req
2731. and when I shoved her
up against the wall,
Copy !req
2732. she had a button
on the back of her cap,
Copy !req
2733. and when her head hit the wall,
Copy !req
2734. the button kind of penetrated
her head just a little bit,
Copy !req
2735. and she yelled out.
Copy !req
2736. These are the times
when you back up
Copy !req
2737. and say you're not really Jason,
you know.
Copy !req
2738. You're just doing a thing here.
Copy !req
2739. You're supposed to be making a
few bucks and not hurt anybody.
Copy !req
2740. You know, this is not a guy
who was waiting his whole life,
Copy !req
2741. he's not a fan of
"Friday the 13th,"
Copy !req
2742. and someone who was waiting
for the opportunity
Copy !req
2743. to be in 'Friday the 13th."
Copy !req
2744. It's a guy who came to work
and had to put a mask on
Copy !req
2745. and had to put fake teeth
in that made him drool
Copy !req
2746. and was embarrassed
by the entire thing,
Copy !req
2747. was happy that you couldn't
see his face.
Copy !req
2748. The job of creating the film's
bloody make-up effects
Copy !req
2749. initially went to future
Oscar winner Greg Cannom.
Copy !req
2750. But when Cannom left the project
Copy !req
2751. due to 'personality
differences,'
Copy !req
2752. director Joe Zito called upon
the one man
Copy !req
2753. who could rightfully be called
Jason's father.
Copy !req
2754. It's almost like
I'm Dr. Frankenstein.
Copy !req
2755. I created the monster.
Copy !req
2756. Thank you for letting me
kill the monster, which I did.
Copy !req
2757. Tom Savini did a wonderful job,
I thought, of makeup.
Copy !req
2758. And that was a 41 /2 hour
makeup job every morning.
Copy !req
2759. I actually replaced
a makeup artist
Copy !req
2760. on "The Final Chapter,"
Copy !req
2761. and luckily,
that's what they were doing.
Copy !req
2762. They were designing
the adult Jason
Copy !req
2763. from my makeup design
on the kid,
Copy !req
2764. which is only logical
I would think, you know,
Copy !req
2765. so I was glad
they were doing it,
Copy !req
2766. but I had nothing to do
with the design, you know.
Copy !req
2767. They did a very good job.
Copy !req
2768. It's funny that in all of
our conversations
Copy !req
2769. about Jason coming back to life,
Copy !req
2770. nobody ever used the word
zombie—ever.
Copy !req
2771. We never heard it.
Copy !req
2772. We knew you couldn't
exactly kill him,
Copy !req
2773. and he would always
be coming back to life.
Copy !req
2774. So it's sort of like
he just wouldn't die.
Copy !req
2775. You can't be alive!
Copy !req
2776. After escaping from the morgue,
Copy !req
2777. Jason returns to his familiar
slayground at Crystal Lake
Copy !req
2778. Where he quickly sets his sights
on the Jarvis family.
Copy !req
2779. A recently divorced mother,
Copy !req
2780. a pretty-yet-reserved
teenage daughter,
Copy !req
2781. and a very special boy
named Tommy.
Copy !req
2782. I remember walking into
the casting office
Copy !req
2783. and going "Friday the 13th? "
Copy !req
2784. I thought this was
for "Halloween."
Copy !req
2785. and they were like, "No, no, no.
Copy !req
2786. It's 'Friday the 13th."
Copy !req
2787. And I was like, "Oh, right,
of course. I knew that."
Copy !req
2788. Corey walked in there,
and he was so alive,
Copy !req
2789. and so friendly and he and l,
just we clicked.
Copy !req
2790. I went, I did my audition
and then at the end of it,
Copy !req
2791. I remember my mom
telling me like, "Okay,
Copy !req
2792. they really liked you a lot
but they have some concerns."
Copy !req
2793. And I said,
"What are the concerns? "
Copy !req
2794. And she said, 'Well, they just
think you're too small,
Copy !req
2795. and, you know,
it's not very believable
Copy !req
2796. that this little tiny kid
Copy !req
2797. is going to pick up the machete
and, you know,
Copy !req
2798. whack the hell out of this
6 foot 5 bad guy.
Copy !req
2799. And I went, "Give me a machete.
Let's give it a shot."
Copy !req
2800. And I think that was
the end of it.
Copy !req
2801. You could see with Corey.
You really could.
Copy !req
2802. This young man
was going to skyrocket.
Copy !req
2803. And I remember
it was a very big deal
Copy !req
2804. because "Gremlins" and "Friday"
were both coming out
Copy !req
2805. pretty much
over the same summer,
Copy !req
2806. within a couple weeks
of each other
Copy !req
2807. from what I remember,
Copy !req
2808. so that was very exciting
as a kid
Copy !req
2809. to have these two giant
blockbusters coming out.
Copy !req
2810. I think Kimberly and Corey and l
got along well
Copy !req
2811. because they're just
nice people.
Copy !req
2812. A Jarvis Sandwich!
Copy !req
2813. I did a lot of work about
the parents being divorced
Copy !req
2814. and then I was going to protect
my brother,
Copy !req
2815. that I would take care of him
emotionally,
Copy !req
2816. and that, you know, we were
going to make it as a family
Copy !req
2817. without my dad.
Copy !req
2818. My parents are separated.
You know, middle-aged crazies.
Copy !req
2819. And I do remember her doing
a lot of, kind of,
Copy !req
2820. Iooking after me, making sure
that I was taken care of.
Copy !req
2821. She was kind of the person
Copy !req
2822. that I think I could probably
relate to most.
Copy !req
2823. I at least felt that it was
a real connection.
Copy !req
2824. As much as I could bring
to that role,
Copy !req
2825. I wanted to bring to it.
Copy !req
2826. There was thought about making
Copy !req
2827. the surviving characters
outsiders.
Copy !req
2828. So Trish isn't really
one of the guys.
Copy !req
2829. She's an outsider.
Copy !req
2830. She's not ready to become
part of the party,
Copy !req
2831. or the party doesn't want her.
Copy !req
2832. Tommy's an outsider,
like Jason.
Copy !req
2833. Tommy's a kid
that doesn't fit in.
Copy !req
2834. I argue that one of the reasons
Tommy Jarvis
Copy !req
2835. has been as popular as he's been
Copy !req
2836. is because that was a very
relatable character
Copy !req
2837. to the core audience
in these movies
Copy !req
2838. that they could very easily
see themselves in
Copy !req
2839. and ultimately sort of
the challenges that he has,
Copy !req
2840. the kind of outsider kid
who's a little bit freaky.
Copy !req
2841. He's got hobbies that maybe not
everybody approves of per se.
Copy !req
2842. At a roadside cemetery,
the gravesite of Mrs. Voorhees,
Copy !req
2843. and her first name, are revealed
for the first time ever.
Copy !req
2844. I found out her name
was Pamela,
Copy !req
2845. I guess about 10 years
after I did the film.
Copy !req
2846. I didn't know.
Copy !req
2847. Of course we were aware putting
a mother character in the film
Copy !req
2848. that fans who knew "Part 1 "
would think about that.
Copy !req
2849. That idea of Joe giving me
a hint
Copy !req
2850. that maybe
I should look sinister
Copy !req
2851. when I looked out the window
Copy !req
2852. because of the mother
being the one
Copy !req
2853. that did the killing in one of
the other movies.
Copy !req
2854. Never occurred to me.
Copy !req
2855. Never occurred to Joe,
I don't think,
Copy !req
2856. or he certainly didn't
tell me that.
Copy !req
2857. We didn't play it hard, and we
didn't try to suggest
Copy !req
2858. that she was going to be
a villain,
Copy !req
2859. but she does make a judgment
on these kids,
Copy !req
2860. and it feels like these kids
are going to bring
Copy !req
2861. trouble and bad stuff
onto my kids.
Copy !req
2862. And, of course,
she's completely right.
Copy !req
2863. With the events
of "The Final Chapter"
Copy !req
2864. picking up directly
after PART 2 and 3,
Copy !req
2865. fans have pointed out
a number of holes
Copy !req
2866. in the series' continuity
and timeline.
Copy !req
2867. My character, Rob,
had a sister named Sandra
Copy !req
2868. who was a counselor
at Crystal Lake
Copy !req
2869. in Part 2, I think.
Copy !req
2870. My sister Sandra was just
a really great kid.
Copy !req
2871. But the man
that killed your sister is dead.
Copy !req
2872. We butt up against
Friday 3 in chronology,
Copy !req
2873. yet Rob is doing some stuff
that he hasn't been doing
Copy !req
2874. since just a couple
of days ago.
Copy !req
2875. When I read it,
Copy !req
2876. I did not
connect that character
Copy !req
2877. with someone who had died
the same day
Copy !req
2878. or the day before
or a few days before.
Copy !req
2879. So I assumed
Rob had been searching
Copy !req
2880. for a longer time than it turns
out he was actually searching.
Copy !req
2881. What are you
hunting for up here?
Copy !req
2882. Bear.
Anybody up at the lake today?
Copy !req
2883. You can't be
hunting for bear.
Copy !req
2884. Zito said he didn't want to
invent really cool new ways
Copy !req
2885. to kill kids,
although we eventually did.
Copy !req
2886. He said, "All I want you to do
Copy !req
2887. is make real kids
that look like real kids
Copy !req
2888. and whatever we do to them
will be horrifying."
Copy !req
2889. It would be nice to make them
so likeable
Copy !req
2890. that you were sorry
when they got killed.
Copy !req
2891. I wanted the kids
to be a little more real,
Copy !req
2892. and it took a lot of pain
in casting for that.
Copy !req
2893. It was not an easy piece
to bring in "the names."
Copy !req
2894. That's not what
'Friday the 13th' was about.
Copy !req
2895. I got lucky.
Copy !req
2896. The people
who were really the stars
Copy !req
2897. were Peter Barton who had just
come off a series
Copy !req
2898. called "Powers of Matthew Star."
Copy !req
2899. and the other one
was Lawrence Monoson
Copy !req
2900. who had starred
in "The Last American Virgin."
Copy !req
2901. I've been lucky in the sense
Copy !req
2902. that I've had certain roles
throughout my career,
Copy !req
2903. part of these legacy franchises,
Copy !req
2904. and this is certainly
one of them,
Copy !req
2905. and it's nice to be
a little part of a big thing.
Copy !req
2906. Arguably one of the most
memorable victims
Copy !req
2907. in the 'Friday the 13th' series
Copy !req
2908. was Crispin Glover's
sex-starved,
Copy !req
2909. yet hopelessly insecure, Jimmy.
Copy !req
2910. The film marked the beginning
of a long career
Copy !req
2911. for the young artist,
Copy !req
2912. who became known for his wildly
eccentric behavior,
Copy !req
2913. both on and off camera.
Copy !req
2914. Crispin Glover and l
had a love fest.
Copy !req
2915. I adored him.
Copy !req
2916. He was the most unique
young man that...
Copy !req
2917. he just really—you couldn't
pigeonhole him at all.
Copy !req
2918. On the set,
he was always the oddball.
Copy !req
2919. He was always the one
that kept to himself.
Copy !req
2920. He was always the one that
was kind of like
Copy !req
2921. in his own little world.
Copy !req
2922. He's an eccentric.
He's mysterious.
Copy !req
2923. But he just walks to the beat
of a different drum.
Copy !req
2924. Crispin and I actually worked
really hard on our characters
Copy !req
2925. and the relationship.
Copy !req
2926. And we both loved improv.
Copy !req
2927. He thinks that's funny.
Copy !req
2928. He thinks it's a funny thing
he's doing.
Copy !req
2929. And that stuff
in the back of the van
Copy !req
2930. when we're all driving,
and I'm typing on the beer cans
Copy !req
2931. and the "dead fuck" lines.
Copy !req
2932. It says
you're a dead fuck.
Copy !req
2933. A dead fuck?
Copy !req
2934. Crispin and I made all that up,
you know,
Copy !req
2935. and they just let us
have fun with it.
Copy !req
2936. The two of them together
really had a great thing going,
Copy !req
2937. a really good rapport.
Copy !req
2938. I think you should run that
through your little computer.
Copy !req
2939. And they were pretty
good buddies on that set
Copy !req
2940. and it did show.
Copy !req
2941. It showed a relationship.
Copy !req
2942. I think that's so important
in these films
Copy !req
2943. to have that.
Copy !req
2944. In one of the film's more
memorable sequences,
Copy !req
2945. Jimmy decides to bust out
his dance moves.
Copy !req
2946. I don't remember what song
Crispin was really dancing to.
Copy !req
2947. I just know that he was
dancing really crazy.
Copy !req
2948. In the way that only
Crispin could be.
Copy !req
2949. And it was just fun. It was
just really fun and funny.
Copy !req
2950. There's slightly the weirdest
thing about our roles
Copy !req
2951. which would first be
the sexy girls
Copy !req
2952. who were sort of coming,
you know, from,
Copy !req
2953. to join in with this other group
of people,
Copy !req
2954. and all the boys are madly
attracted to us,
Copy !req
2955. and we're dressed in these
ghastly clothes!
Copy !req
2956. Well, what about our hair
as well.
Copy !req
2957. Our hair put up in sort of
little sort of librarian buns.
Copy !req
2958. I mean, and the pants
seemed to be too big.
Copy !req
2959. Everything was just sort of big
and bulky and very unsexy.
Copy !req
2960. Yeah, I wouldn't bonk
either of us.
Copy !req
2961. The twins, you know, they were
the Doublemint twins
Copy !req
2962. and they were loads of fun.
Copy !req
2963. The biggest thing for me
was boobies!
Copy !req
2964. You know,
I was an 11 -year-old boy.
Copy !req
2965. I'm like, I get to do scenes
with boobies.
Copy !req
2966. Whoa.
Copy !req
2967. Not much has changed.
Copy !req
2968. I have to say the skinny
dipping was very equal
Copy !req
2969. because when we
were shooting it,
Copy !req
2970. we obviously as girls
had to have no tops on,
Copy !req
2971. but then the boys go,
Copy !req
2972. 'We'll do it
with no bottoms on as well,'
Copy !req
2973. and there they are
swinging off ropes.
Copy !req
2974. So, you know,
it was a cute group
Copy !req
2975. to work with, that's for sure.
Copy !req
2976. At the time,
I was the kid who was like
Copy !req
2977. always wanting to get up in
everybody's business.
Copy !req
2978. I was like,
"Hey, let's all go out.
Copy !req
2979. Let's go do this.
Copy !req
2980. What do you mean you're all
going to town without me?
Copy !req
2981. Why can't I come too? "
Copy !req
2982. I mean, like, I really wanted
to be a part of that group.
Copy !req
2983. The first day
was Halloween actually,
Copy !req
2984. and I took him
trick-or- treating.
Copy !req
2985. And we went out on the street,
Copy !req
2986. and this street was like
a festival
Copy !req
2987. of guys in Jason's masks.
Copy !req
2988. So ironic that we were there
actually creating this stuff
Copy !req
2989. and then this group of people
Copy !req
2990. were actually out there
having a great time with it.
Copy !req
2991. I think everybody was very
sweet to Corey Feldman.
Copy !req
2992. I remember getting along
with everybody on that set.
Copy !req
2993. The only person that I didn't
get along with
Copy !req
2994. or was afraid of was Ted White.
Copy !req
2995. Mean little devil.
I couldn't stand him.
Copy !req
2996. I wanted to kill him
desperately.
Copy !req
2997. There were times when Corey
got close to me
Copy !req
2998. that it took all my reserve
to not just reach out
Copy !req
2999. and grab him and give him
a good spanking.
Copy !req
3000. Ted was very respectful when it
came to the fact
Copy !req
3001. that I was a kid, and he knew
to keep his boundaries.
Copy !req
3002. But at the same time
Copy !req
3003. I don't think that he was really
very aware
Copy !req
3004. of how to deal with children.
Copy !req
3005. Well, I was a child actor
Copy !req
3006. so I had a lot in common
with him.
Copy !req
3007. It's a hard, a hard thing,
a lot of your... I mean,
Copy !req
3008. you miss a lot
of your childhood.
Copy !req
3009. You could see there was
a dark side to Corey.
Copy !req
3010. Not bad but wanting to stay
with the actors
Copy !req
3011. as opposed to getting in the car
and going home
Copy !req
3012. to the so-called "real life"
that he was living.
Copy !req
3013. Frank Mancuso, Jr. was quite
helpful keeping him together
Copy !req
3014. and happy.
Copy !req
3015. Even after the movies,
you know, Frank,
Copy !req
3016. we all stayed in touch
with Corey.
Copy !req
3017. As with Part 3, the filmmakers
chose rural areas
Copy !req
3018. of Southern California
to stand in
Copy !req
3019. for the fictional New Jersey
enclave of Crystal Lake.
Copy !req
3020. We shot
in three different places,
Copy !req
3021. Franklin Canyon
in Beverly Hills,
Copy !req
3022. north of Santa Barbara
in a place called Zaca Lake,
Copy !req
3023. and in Topanga Canyon.
Copy !req
3024. The Jarvis house
would later be featured
Copy !req
3025. in such films as
"Eraser,"My Girl 2,"
Copy !req
3026. and episodes of the HBO series
"Entourage."
Copy !req
3027. But for the cast
of "The Final Chapter,"
Copy !req
3028. working on the set presented a
number of physical challenges.
Copy !req
3029. And we're at the house
where we shot the movie.
Copy !req
3030. Tommy's room was up there
on the second floor.
Copy !req
3031. And the kids' house
is over here, right?
Copy !req
3032. The kids' house
was right over here.
Copy !req
3033. We built the kids' house, the
house where they have the party,
Copy !req
3034. and the house where they
get killed, right over here.
Copy !req
3035. It was my idea, and I don't mind
telling you
Copy !req
3036. the studio objected a lot
Copy !req
3037. to have the houses
in real proximity.
Copy !req
3038. See, the thing is when we built
this other house,
Copy !req
3039. it was an expensive
thing to do,
Copy !req
3040. building a house as opposed
to finding two houses,
Copy !req
3041. but we really loved
the Jarvis house.
Copy !req
3042. I really loved the Jarvis house,
and I really pushed for it.
Copy !req
3043. So the studio agreed to build
this other house here.
Copy !req
3044. But the thing is
that we had a design for it
Copy !req
3045. where it was a really good house
to shoot in, a big house,
Copy !req
3046. but as they started
doing the numbers
Copy !req
3047. and analyzing the numbers,
Copy !req
3048. the house got
smaller and smaller
Copy !req
3049. so in the end it wasn't a great
house to shoot in,
Copy !req
3050. but it was a cool-looking house.
Copy !req
3051. The young people
we had in the cast
Copy !req
3052. were some of the greatest kids
that I've ever worked with,
Copy !req
3053. and I've worked with a lot of
young kids in the business.
Copy !req
3054. But what they went through
to make this movie
Copy !req
3055. was unbelievable.
Copy !req
3056. Shooting the movie was pretty
horrible
Copy !req
3057. because it was raining
the whole time,
Copy !req
3058. and it was freezing cold
because it was dead winter.
Copy !req
3059. I didn't read the script
when I got the job,
Copy !req
3060. and I didn't read the last
40 pages of the script
Copy !req
3061. said night rain.
Copy !req
3062. What the hell
are you doing here?
Copy !req
3063. What are you
trying to do, kill me?
Copy !req
3064. What I remember the most
about those steps right there
Copy !req
3065. is that for continuity's sake
Copy !req
3066. at the end of the movie,
I had to be wet
Copy !req
3067. because it was raining
all the time,
Copy !req
3068. so in 35-degree weather,
Copy !req
3069. I was hosed down with water
from a tank
Copy !req
3070. that was sitting outside
in 35-degree weather.
Copy !req
3071. Just unbelievable what they
went through
Copy !req
3072. for the amount of money
they were making.
Copy !req
3073. It was, it was a trial
in a good way.
Copy !req
3074. I felt like a Marine
after it was over.
Copy !req
3075. Once again, the real stars
of this 'Friday the 13th"
Copy !req
3076. were the elaborate
death sequences
Copy !req
3077. designed by effects wunderkind
Tom Savini.
Copy !req
3078. I had done a movie
called "The Prowler."
Copy !req
3079. It was mostly a lot
of special effects,
Copy !req
3080. really good Tom Savini
special effects.
Copy !req
3081. I think that's what audiences
came to see.
Copy !req
3082. How is the next guy
going to get it?
Copy !req
3083. So that's what it was about.
Copy !req
3084. And it was almost like
the latest exhibit
Copy !req
3085. from your favorite
makeup artist magician.
Copy !req
3086. How is Jason
going to kill these kids?
Copy !req
3087. So we spent a lot of time
talking about
Copy !req
3088. how to kill people
in interesting ways.
Copy !req
3089. And that's the number one thing
you do with Savini
Copy !req
3090. because it's his favorite thing
in the world to do,
Copy !req
3091. is talk about
how to kill things.
Copy !req
3092. This just kind of crazy mind
that was always creating.
Copy !req
3093. It was a terrific honor
to work with Tom
Copy !req
3094. and especially to be a part
Copy !req
3095. of one of hi