Crystal Lake Memories: The Complete History of Friday the 13th (2013)

1. So you guys all know the story of Camp Crystal Lake, right?

2. I mean, come on, surely you have to know about the legend.

3. All right, well listen.

4. I don't want to scare anyone...

5. but I'm gonna give it to you straight about Jason.

6. It all happened at Camp Crystal Lake...

7. Camp Blood.

8. And Jason... was just a little boy at the time.

9. He drowned one night.

10. His mom, who worked at the camp...

11. she blamed all the counselors.

12. Said it was their fault.

13. She decided to kill each and every one of them.

14. Well, legend has it that Jason didn't drown.

15. He survived.

16. And he watched his mother get beheaded that night.

17. He took his revenge.

18. Every year, on Friday the 13th,

19. Jason would just keep coming back.

20. Now if you listen to the old timers in town,

21. they say that Jason's still out there,

22. Which means the Voorhees Curse is alive and well.

23. Friday the 13th is his day.

24. And Camp Crystal Lake...

25. is his domain.

26. We had this tiny little movie that cost $500,000,

27. which to date has grossed just under a billion dollars.

28. It's just an amazing phenomenon.

29. And not only were we shocked and surprised and pleased,

30. but amazed that we even finished the film.

31. I hear from people all over the world,

32. and I don't quite understand what the wonderful,

33. captivating thing is about this particular film.

34. I never dreamed when I was doing the film then

35. the effect it would have on so many people.

36. There's actually a lot of thought

37. and a lot of real talent that goes into these pictures.

38. "Friday the 13th" was one of the innovators,

39. I would say, of this slasher movie

40. but where the characters all represented people

41. that each one of us knew.

42. The best horror movies find a way

43. to tap into something that's truly human.

44. And there is something so compelling about the genre

45. that people will always come back to it.

46. I think that the goal is about scaring the audience

47. and fear and vulnerability.

48. We don't know why but it's something in us

49. that likes to be scared.

50. I don't watch the movie,

51. I pick somebody out in the audience,

52. and then watch the evolution of their heart attack.

53. It's not rocket science. It's fun. It's exciting.

54. The fans so adore this character.

55. They like Jason more than they like the survivors.

56. They sort of brought a life to it,

57. that it would have never had without 'em.

58. That's where the power lies is Jason never dies

59. because the audience brings him back to life,

60. the devoted fans of Jason.

61. It's a great character to watch and see what he'll do next.

62. I don't think it'll really ever come to a complete end.

63. A lot of us relate to Jason because Jason is the outcast.

64. Like in school, either you're too tall, you're too short,

65. you're too heavy, you have buck teeth,

66. you speak with a lisp, we all tie in somehow,

67. going, 'Oh, I understand that, I was the different kid.'

68. It's just a basic part of the human struggle.

69. Jason represents that force that you're going to come up against.

70. You know, we all want to be that person

71. that feels like we can, you know, stop evil

72. and save the person that we love.

73. I think that we need these monsters, these bogeymen,

74. these characters who embody all evil

75. because we can't deal with the real evil

76. that we have to in our day to day lives.

77. If you can take that darkness out and look at it,

78. then you can conquer it, you can defeat it,

79. you can actually deal with it.

80. It's when we try and hide it from the light

81. that it overcomes us.

82. In the early 1970's,

83. Connecticut-based filmmaker Sean S. Cunningham

84. was struggling to make a name for himself,

85. scraping by on a diet

86. of industrial shorts and commercials

87. and even the occasional soft-core porn.

88. Back in the early 70's, a big change was happening

89. in the movie business.

90. There had been success with documentary forms

91. and with hand-held cameras.

92. And there was a sense of anything was possible.

93. You know, just grab your camera, grab your equipment,

94. get in the back of the station wagon and go shoot it.

95. You can compete with the big guys.

96. He was making little movies.

97. There was a film he made called "Together,"

98. and it starred Marilyn Chambers

99. who went to the local high school.

100. It was a marital aid film

101. for couples who were trying to strengthen their marital bond,

102. as it would be, in the bedroom.

103. We had a mutual friend. His name was Bud Talbot,

104. who I was working with on a film.

105. I think he helped Sean raise some of the money,

106. and uh, this movie, "Case of the Full Moon Murders,"

107. and it starred Harry Reams. It was very soft.

108. In the softcore world.

109. 7:35 a. m. We were shown to a bedroom.

110. A male corpse with an enormous erection

111. was covered with a blanket.

112. Our suspicions were immediately aroused.

113. In the mid-seventies, everybody said we need

114. nice, clean, wholesome films.

115. So we did two very nice, clean, wholesome films.

116. And they made absolutely zero dollars.

117. And now I had to get another job.

118. Somehow or other I had to get something going.

119. That something turned out to be 1972's "Last House On the Left."

120. To avoid fainting, keep repeating:

121. "It's only a movie. Only a movie..."

122. The film produced by Cunningham,

123. and directed by Wes Craven,

124. who would go on to create 1984's "A Nightmare On Elm Street,"

125. presented a brutal portrait

126. of violence and visceral horror in small-town America.

127. Well, we were co-producers of "Last House on the Left,"

128. which I think was a very important horror film.

129. And it's still playing today all over the world.

130. Although none of Sean Cunningham's early efforts

131. achieved mainstream success,

132. his next brainchild, with a considerable debt

133. owed to John Carpenter's 1978 screen shocker "Halloween,"

134. would launch a whole new sub-genre of horror.

135. I had thought of this title some time ago

136. called Friday the 13th. And I said to myself,

137. 'if I had a film called Friday the 13th,

138. I could sell that.

139. And Sean called me up and said,

140. "Halloween" is making incredible money at the box office,

141. let's rip it off."

142. That is keeping it real.

143. And I said, "Here's what we're gonna do.

144. We're gonna take out an ad in Variety,

145. and put at the top 'From the people who brought you

146. "Last House on the Left"

147. comes the most terrifying film ever made.

148. "Friday the 13th."

149. And that's all we had.

150. We really didn't know what we were going to make.

151. We just wanted to see if anybody would be interested

152. in buying it.

153. Cunningham was able to secure financing

154. for "Friday the 13th" through the same trio

155. of east coast investors

156. who funded and distributed

157. "Last House on the Left."

158. Robert Barsamian, Stephen Minasian, and Philip Scuderi,

159. owners of the Esquire Theaters chain,

160. and who, under their Georgetown Productions banner,

161. were ready to make their mark on motion picture history.

162. But first, they needed one thing: a script.

163. The longest part of the process

164. of creating the first "Friday the 13th"

165. was figuring out the venue.

166. So I had to find some territory

167. that was adult-free, more-or-less.

168. Camp Crystal Lake is jinxed!

169. Oh, terrific.

170. So we came up with summer camp, Sean said, "let's go with it,"

171. and that was that.

172. The thing about the story in "Friday the 13th,"

173. is that it's so profoundly simple.

174. I think part of that had to do with the fact

175. that we had very little time to waste

176. on conventional things like character and plot.

177. We had this notion that these kids

178. would be out at a summer camp,

179. and would be threatened by some kind of serial killer,

180. and we would then be surprised to discover

181. who the serial killer was at the end.

182. Who are you!

183. I thought that basically what I had done

184. was I had taken mom and apple pie,

185. and the clean, wonderful, let's have a ball Pepsi generation,

186. these clean cut kids who are out having fun

187. and unfettered by adult restrictions,

188. and stood it on its head.

189. And I just knocked them off one-by-one.

190. By the fall of 1979, with a script in hand

191. and a production budget of approximately $550,000,

192. Cunningham and his protÈgÈ Steve Miner

193. began searching for the ideal location

194. that would become the cursed hamlet of Crystal Lake.

195. The film was shot in a small little Boy Scout camp

196. called 'Camp No-be-Bo-Sco.'

197. It was off-season so all the kids had gone home,

198. and we were able to take it over.

199. So it was a standing, working camp.

200. And, it was a whole bunch of log cabins and all that stuff.

201. It was an archery range, it was a lake, it was everything.

202. It was just a little bit colder

203. than it normally would be in the summer.

204. Like most tales set at summer camp,

205. "Friday the 13th" begins around a campfire.

206. It's Friday, June 1 3, 1 958,

207. and lovelorn counselors Claudette and Barry

208. soon find their late-night tryst interrupted

209. by a murderous stranger,

210. making them the first on-screen victims

211. in what would become one of the biggest body counts

212. in film history.

213. Fans have often asked if we planned to shoot

214. a more gruesome on-screen death for the character of Claudette.

215. There are even photos that show her throat being sliced open

216. by a machete.

217. I think it was Savini, you know,

218. fooling around in the makeup room,

219. because we didn't have time to shoot

220. that kind of a big production,

221. As I originally laid out the character of the killer,

222. and the clues as to who the killer was,

223. in the original scene, you saw a missing finger.

224. And so that every time you saw this hand without a finger,

225. that would be your clue that this was the killer.

226. And for time and budgetary constraints,

227. that got dropped out.

228. As the film shifts to present day,

229. we are introduced to a cast of fresh faces

230. culled from New York's thriving theater scene.

231. And as would become the rule for all future Fridays,

232. the young, would-be victims had to be likable,

233. and they had to work cheap.

234. My partner at the time, Julie Hughes and l,

235. were pretty much the major casting people on Broadway.

236. But we had done a few films.

237. So we looked forward to doing this,

238. particularly with the idea of finding all sorts of new talent

239. for the young kids in the film.

240. Julie Hughes had said, 'You know, you're not right for this,

241. but they're doing this movie, and they need camp counselors,

242. and you would be perfect.'

243. So then they sent me to meet Sean

244. and audition for "Friday the 13th."

245. Hi, I'm going to Camp Crystal Lake.

246. You have to figure out as many different ways

247. of making the teenagers dumb without being really stupid.

248. Uh, I think we better stop.

249. Because the audience has got to be saying

250. as they sit there as part of this roller coaster ride,

251. 'Don't go in there, girl! Don't go in there!

252. Oh, no!

253. To play their heroine, the filmmakers required

254. a resourceful and intelligent young actress

255. who could not only fight back

256. against the machete-wielding killer,

257. but could also hold her own against the amorous advances

258. of doomed camp owner, Steve Christy.

259. Do I really look like that?

260. You did last night.

261. My backstory to Alice was she was an art student,

262. art major, psychology minor,

263. and she had gotten her job through a friend of a friend

264. who knew Steve Christy.

265. Give me another chance.

266. He obviously had the hots for her.

267. Alice was big on space, you know?

268. She needed lots of elbow room. She had to think things out.

269. She was very confused.

270. I'll give it a week.

271. And who knows, maybe at the end of the summer

272. something would have happened.

273. But he was gonna have to be patient.

274. And he didn't seem like the patient type.

275. Well, there's no crazy people around here!

276. In the role of resident prankster Ned was Mark Nelson,

277. who had recently starred on Broadway

278. with his "Friday the 13th" co-star Jeannine Taylor,

279. whose happy-go-lucky character Marcie

280. was given a fitting posthumous surname.

281. The character wasn't named Marcie Cunningham.

282. She didn't really have a last name at first,

283. and later on, after we wrapped,

284. Sean Cunningham decided, I guess, to adopt me,

285. because I ended up with his last name.

286. For the role of Bill, the proverbial 'good guy'

287. who proves to be a contender for Alice's affections

288. as well as a potential suspect, the filmmakers cast the son

289. of one of Hollywood's most beloved legends.

290. Harry Crosby was the son of the legendary singer, Bing Crosby,

291. who was a popular singer in the 30's, 40's, and 50's.

292. He had so many great stories about his dad,

293. who had just passed away,

294. so it was probably kind of emotional for him

295. to share much about his father.

296. How can you guys eat that stuff? It looks like dead animals!

297. Playing the nurturing and animal loving Brenda,

298. who learned just how dangerous and deadly

299. an archery range could be, was the late Laurie Bartram,

300. who sadly lost a long battle with cancer in 2007.

301. Laurie Bartram, we miss her so dearly.

302. She was truly the heart and soul on that production.

303. I remember her, she was who you saw.

304. You know, worried about everyone.

305. I was really shocked and upset to hear she'd died so young.

306. Beautiful person, inside and out.

307. But the young man whose fame

308. would far surpass six degrees of Friday the 13th

309. was, at the time, a struggling New York actor

310. whose biggest film role to date

311. had been in the blockbuster 1978 comedy, "Animal House."

312. I was surrounded by terrific young talent,

313. and particularly Kevin Bacon.

314. I just thought he was so good and so professional.

315. I remember when I called his agent

316. to see if l, if he would do "Friday the 13th."

317. The agent said, 'Well, what does he do in the film? '

318. I said, 'Well, mostly he just, you know,

319. makes love to a lot of girls.'

320. And the agent said, 'Well, Kevin loves to do that.'

321. "Footloose" was his breakout moment.

322. Let's DANCE!

323. And of course he skyrocketed,

324. but it was very obvious to me

325. that he was going to be a star.

326. One of the most memorable characters in "Friday the 13th"

327. was Crystal Lake's resident 'prophet of doom,'

328. played by veteran actor Walt Gorney,

329. who passed away in 2004.

330. I know a lot of the fans of "Friday the 13th"

331. love and admire Crazy Ralph.

332. It's got a death curse!

333. And this sounds strange, but it's the truth.

334. I thought that Walt Gorney really was crazy.

335. He kind of frightened me.

336. And I realize now he might have been a little eccentric,

337. but he was just a very, very fine character actor.

338. It's so sad that he wasn't here

339. to share all this acclaim over "Friday the 13th."

340. He would have would have loved it.

341. As filming commenced on September 4, 1979,

342. cast and crew experienced their share

343. of low-budget filmmaking misfortunes.

344. And Cunningham's silent partner Phil Scuderi

345. remained dissatisfied with certain elements

346. of Victor Miller's script.

347. Enter Ron Kurz.

348. I was sent down there to do some rewrites and basically

349. to also see what was going on.

350. I don't want to say I was a spy, but

351. The only scene I had a problem with

352. was the inclusionary scene of the motorcycle policeman,

353. which really argued against the concept

354. that this was a geography

355. that was kind of off bounds for the police.

356. I had never been on a motorcycle before,

357. and in fact, I did fall on my ass.

358. The motorcycle fell on me,

359. and course, Sean and Steve Miner come running to help me,

360. 'You okay, Ron? ' They lifted it off me I says, 'I'm fine.

361. Although all of the human actors who met their on-screen demise

362. came out of the film unscathed,

363. one on-screen fatality was, in fact, very real.

364. I remember all of us playing the scene,

365. and the poor snake, it was a real snake.

366. And he was chopped into bits.

367. And for that, on behalf of myself

368. and anyone who's ever harmed a snake,

369. I would like to tell all snakes,

370. poisonous or not, I'm sorry.

371. Wanting to up the ante on Halloween's minimalist shocks,

372. Sean Cunningham needed to find someone

373. who could create the realistic, larger-than-life death sequences

374. called for in the script.

375. In the world of practical special effects,

376. a new Dawn was emerging.

377. When I decided to make "Friday the 13th,"

378. my job was to try to figure out

379. how to make something scary for very little money

380. and very little production value.

381. The original Friday the 13th came out

382. after "Dawn of the Dead."

383. And "Dawn of the Dead" was sort of the first film

384. that put gore effects really in the forefront.

385. Sean had seen "Dawn of the Dead,

386. or somebody had seen "Dawn of the Dead" and said,

387. 'You know you're doing "Friday the 13th,"

388. you gotta get this guy.

389. And there were other make-up artists, you know,

390. but my effects had a reputation

391. of being more realistic. And that could be

392. because I was a combat photographer in Vietnam.

393. If the stuff I created didn't give me the same feeling I got

394. when I saw the real stuff,

395. then the fake stuff wasn't good enough, it wasn't real enough.

396. And I think that had a lot to do

397. with the reputation for my effects.

398. Up comes this guy in a BMW, and it's Tom Savini.

399. He comes in, he's got this script all marked up,

400. and he said, Okay now, let's see.

401. We've got a hunting arrow up through the chest,

402. that's not a problem.

403. I've got an axe in the face here on page 40.

404. Do you want a real face and a fake axe,

405. or do you want a fake face and real axe? '

406. It's porno really, isn't it?

407. So the money shot in these slasher movies

408. is the big kill.

409. Sean was very insistent that we borrow from Hitchcock,

410. that piece of "Psycho," which was to surprise the audience

411. within the first twenty minutes

412. with, 'These people are not screwing around!'

413. People have said to me that my character was sort of

414. like the Janet Leigh in "Psycho,"

415. because I'm, I'm the set-up.

416. You know? I'm the set-up character to follow.

417. Excuse me, how far is Camp Crystal Lake from here?

418. It is a lot of fun being the first person killed

419. in 'present-day' time of "Friday the 13th."

420. But I didn't last too long.

421. We did the little stunt, jumping out of the jeep

422. and running through the woods, and that was really,

423. that was really great fun.

424. You see her up against the tree.

425. And the knife comes up

426. and passes through frame.

427. And she's standing there for a second.

428. she puts her hand up, and you're thinking,

429. 'Oh, maybe she's okay.'

430. And then the blood pours out.

431. The piece was very small that was on my neck.

432. So, there was already a slit in the piece.

433. And it was covered very well.

434. So, the tube, you know, just ran down my sleeve,

435. and Tom was right there working the blood.

436. Just right off camera. It really did look great.

437. The beauty of these movies

438. and kind of the slasher movie genre ultimately is,

439. you can go and just, if you want to go see people get killed

440. in a variety of interesting and compelling ways,

441. you can go and have that.

442. If you want a little bit of nudity,

443. chances are you're going to get that as well.

444. And I know as a young man, that's what I wanted.

445. I needed the T&A for me,

446. to hell with the audience.

447. You know, bikinis and swimming, and it's all just

448. young and hormonal.

449. Everybody wants to have sex with each other.

450. Oh my god! I actually took my clothes off!

451. Yes, it was for a great reason.

452. I got to have 'screen sex' with Kevin Bacon.

453. Then, when poor Neddy is on top,

454. we don't actually see him killed,

455. but I thought that was so brilliant.

456. With the blood dripping down. It's like AHHH.

457. There you have Kevin Bacon all satiated and smoking dope,

458. and he gets an arrow through his neck.

459. I thought that was so creative and so brilliant.

460. Probably my favorite.

461. But I had done George Romero's Martin,

462. and in Martin the guy had to get a stick in his neck.

463. And in Kevin Bacon's case,

464. we put that wife beater on the fake body.

465. He's like on his knees under the bed

466. with his head here, and here's the fake body.

467. And me and my buddy, Taso, under there and you know,

468. I'm pushing the arrow through and Taso was pumping the blood.

469. But an accident occurred.

470. The tube separated from Taso's pump,

471. so he grabbed it and blew in it.

472. And that's what made the blood shoot out and gurgle.

473. Which was a happy accident, it made the effect,

474. you know, bloodier and grislier.

475. She screams and the axe comes up.

476. And you see the axe make contact with the light.

477. You know, that was completely Tom's idea,

478. as to make the audience realize that this axe is a real axe.

479. It has substance to it, and it's heavy.

480. I don't remember precisely what showed up on film,

481. but I do know that the scene was a lot longer

482. than what ended up in the final cut. No pun intended.

483. Sex is part of the driving thing.

484. There is this war between sex and violence that goes on.

485. Sex... die You know, have sex, die.

486. That's the premise, that's the underlying thing, you know,

487. going through the "Friday the 13th" movies.

488. Is Sean Cunningham like a devout,

489. born-again Christian or something?

490. I don't believe "Friday the 13th" was a morality play.

491. Alice had sensibilities,

492. and she was not part of what I called the clique,

493. or the in-group or whatever.

494. The reason the girl who didn't make love survived

495. was that she was not distracted.

496. It's not that she was more moral than the others,

497. she just had had nobody to make it with

498. so she was not busy.

499. I remember one particular one

500. where Adrienne is in the kitchen.

501. And she thinks she's safe.

502. And there's a place where she just goes,

503. and just as that happens —

504. WHAM! Somebody comes flying through the window.

505. You didn't see Laurie Bartram die,

506. the girl on the archery range?

507. She was just thrown through the window.

508. It was actually me

509. in her nightgown and wig, going through the window.

510. But Cunningham's insistence

511. that he would not give the audience any clues

512. that would hint at the killer's real identity

513. resulted in "Friday the 13th's" penultimate surprise.

514. Where is the killer? Who is the killer?

515. And we bring in Betsy Palmer.

516. We cast Betsy Palmer.

517. And this was really my strong feeling for Mrs. Voorhees,

518. that she should be somebody warm and comforting.

519. So when that door opens,

520. and the audience sees it's this nice mother type.

521. I'm Mrs. Voorhees. An old friend of the Christies.

522. And you would think of her and be predisposed

523. to think of her as a nice person,

524. who then we find out is crazy.

525. I had heard, I think probably from Sean,

526. that Estelle Parsons had been offered the role first.

527. And because Estelle and l

528. are actresses of the same age and all

529. Because "Friday the 13th's" production schedule

530. got moved back, she could no longer do it.

531. So it was strictly a time thing.

532. It wasn't that she didn't like it, or they didn't like her.

533. By the way, when l read this script,

534. I said 'What a piece of junk'.

535. I thought, 'This will come. It will go.

536. Nobody will ever know or ever see it'.

537. So I run into Mrs. Voorhees,

538. thinking she is the one who is going to save me

539. I felt, 'Oh, this poor thing'

540. and she's telling me about all this disastrous stuff

541. that was going on

542. They're all dead. They're all dead.

543. And then we find out that she had this kid

544. Did you know that a young boy drowned?

545. The year before those two others were killed?

546. Poor woman. She lost her son, Jason,

547. while the camp counselors were fooling around.

548. Jason was my son, and today is his birthday.

549. And this becomes, 'Oh boy, look out now.

550. Now I get it.'

551. You let him drown! You never paid any attention!

552. Look what you did to him.

553. In retrospect, I think "Psycho" got in

554. in a way that I was not conscious of at all.

555. Well, a boy's best friend is his mother.

556. I basically reversed Tony Perkins and his mother.

557. And I had the mother alive, and the kid dead.

558. She's revenging poor Jason's death.

559. And she believes that it's our fault.

560. All of a sudden, I hear the voice in my head saying

561. Kill her, Mommy! Kill her!

562. There's another place where Betsy,

563. who's really an incredible actress,

564. she did a thing,

565. and I even pointed it out to her one day,

566. and when you say the line

567. He wasn't a very good swimmer.

568. And you smiled.

569. You're crazy, you know it,

570. and you don't care.

571. And that's really scary.

572. I won't, Jason. I won't.

573. I came up with the idea for Jason's name

574. 'cause originally I had called him, it was going to be Josh.

575. But the more I worked on the film,

576. and the creepier the whole subject of that got,

577. I stuck with the 'J' and went to Jason.

578. And I knew a kid named Jason when I was, oh,

579. about 8, 9 or 10 years old.

580. And he was one of them sneaky little bastards,

581. who was always telling on people.

582. And he was a mean little guy.

583. And so I never really liked his name.

584. Despite having played arguably

585. one of the most demented villainesses

586. ever to appear on screen,

587. Betsy Palmer has amassed a large,

588. and largely-sympathetic, cult following.

589. When I'm doing the autographs, signing, conventions,

590. they put their babies in my arms

591. and this killer lady holds the little child.

592. The little children come up and all.

593. I've said to people, I've said, 'Why? Why do you love her

594. as much as you do,

595. when she's supposed to be this dreadful human being? '

596. And they say, "Because we understand

597. why you did it."

598. Mrs. Voorhees, is, to my thinking,

599. had every reason to keep a camp closed

600. because otherwise somebody else's son would drown

601. just like her little Jason.

602. And that's all she was doing,

603. was making sure that that never happened to another mother

604. ever again.

605. I've never felt that she was anything

606. but a mother who was trying to care for a poor,

607. wounded cub.

608. I mean I couldn't imagine. I'd just go crazy, myself,

609. if my grandson, who I'm raising as my son,

610. if something happened to him.

611. So I can clearly identify with Betsy Palmer's character.

612. Here's a child who's been ignored, neglected.

613. I honestly felt like, 'Hey, here's one for all those kids

614. who have been set to the side because they were different.

615. Many years ago, with the help of a very fine psychologist,

616. I saw that Mrs. Voorhees is the mother I never had.

617. She is the mother who will kill people

618. to avenge her son's death.

619. Undeniably, one of the film's most memorable characters

620. is its iconic musical score.

621. and the now-infamous sound effect

622. created by composer Harry Manfredini.

623. So much of the delight of "Friday the 13th"

624. and the experience of it, came from the sound effects

625. and the music.

626. Somehow or the other, the music

627. had to evoke and point out the fact

628. that the killer was there.

629. It wasn't just the camera shooting.

630. it was the POV of the killer.

631. Harry's delightful signature piece,

632. the ma-ma-ma-ki-ki-ki...

633. If you go to the end of the film,

634. you'll see a very close-up of Betsy Palmer's,

635. Mrs. Voorhees' mouth.

636. Where she's saying, to herself—

637. kill her, Mommy.

638. Kill her, Mommy. Kill her.

639. I just went, and I took the consonant sound of the 'K',

640. 'Kl' from kill her, and 'MA' from 'Mommy.'

641. I went up to a microphone and just went 'k-k-k-' 'ma'.

642. And we ran it through something called an Echoplex,

643. which was a gizmo back in the late 70's, early 80's.

644. And it ended up becoming 'k-k-k-ma- ma-ma',

645. and that of course, became the instant sound

646. that I needed to bring the killer

647. into the first reel, and throughout the picture.

648. And I'm sure that without Harry's music,

649. and without the sound effects,

650. we never would have had the success

651. that finally happened.

652. I think the women were stronger in this film

653. than the guys were.

654. You know, look who it came down to.

655. The battle was between Mrs. Voorhees and Alice.

656. There was a sequence that I was to,

657. well, I'd begun to really lose it.

658. Smack her, you know, give her a hit alongside of her chops.

659. Well, when we hit somebody on stage,

660. we hit somebody.

661. So I hauled off, and I gave her a smack.

662. Well, she fell to the ground crying,

663. 'Sean, Sean, she hit me. She hit me.'

664. And he came over and he said, 'No, no, no, Betsy.

665. We don't do that in movies.'

666. I said, 'Well, what are we supposed to do? '

667. He said, 'You'll miss her.'

668. And he said, "We'll just bring in the sound afterwards."

669. Alice doesn't want to die. And she fights back.

670. And then they go through this incredible beach ballet.

671. We're, of course, pounding away at one another,

672. and I have her hair.

673. And then she goes at me with some sort of a boat oar.

674. My favorite kill of all— Mrs. Voorhees slow-mo.

675. It doesn't get better than that. The ultimate kill by Alice.

676. The assistant director came up, and said,

677. 'Hey, we're gonna cut your head off.'

678. He said, 'Don't ya wanna see how we're gonna do it?'

679. I said, 'You've got to be kidding.

680. I could care less how you're going to chop my head off'.

681. Taso Strevakis was my assistant on that movie.

682. We actually made a cast of Betsy Palmer's head,

683. made a rubber dummy of it.

684. We decorated the inside so when it severed you would see

685. anatomically-correct gore in there.

686. It was Tommy Savini's assistant.

687. It was attached to him in some way.

688. And Tommy Savini is the one that cut it off.

689. What I did was I attached it with toothpicks.

690. So the toothpicks were just kind of holding it in place,

691. knowing that when I whacked it with that machete,

692. it would go through the toothpicks.

693. And I wanted to whack it so the head would spin,

694. which luckily it did in the first take.

695. Oh, I mean, I don't have hair on the back of my hands,

696. you know, like he did.

697. I thought that was a little weird in one shot.

698. If you watch the movie when Betsy Palmer is decapitated,

699. her hands come up into the frame,

700. in kind of like grabbing air.

701. They're Taso's hands with hairy knuckles.

702. It's not Betsy Palmer.

703. It's these big meat puffs that he's got as hands.

704. Even after the dramatic death of Mrs. Voorhees,

705. a final, crucial scene remained.

706. One that would prove to be Cunningham's master stroke,

707. and a defining moment

708. that would, unbeknownst to anyone at the time,

709. spawn a franchise.

710. You know, in talking to Sean about the ending,

711. They really didn't have an ending so,

712. and I had just seen Carrie.

713. You know in Carrie they did a beautiful job.

714. Brian De Palma convinced you the movie is over.

715. She's walking around in the graveyard,

716. the hand comes up and grabs her.

717. Scared the bejesus out of me,

718. and I'm sure anyone else who ever saw it.

719. So I said to Sean,

720. 'Why don't we have Jason jump out of the lake, you know,

721. and attack her? '

722. But Jason's dead,' he said.

723. And I clearly remember that, you know, if it's a dream,

724. you can get away with anything.

725. You could call it an homage,

726. I call it a theft. You know, grand theft cinema.

727. I mean everybody, including the special effects man

728. to the girl who typed up the memos,

729. to the girl who went out for lunch,

730. claimed to have written this scene.

731. But, I wrote it.

732. At first, they were thinking

733. of having Noel Cunningham, Sean's son, do it.

734. But his wife would have none of that.

735. My mother said, 'You're out of your mind

736. if I'm going to let my kid spend four hours in a lake

737. in the middle of fall in New Jersey

738. to be in your stupid movie.

739. Were it not for her, I would have been Jason.

740. I would have been the first Jason.

741. And I'm not bitter

742. Prior to that I had been in "Manny's Orphans,"

743. and I played this kid Roger,

744. who was like a slightly sex-obsessed little kid.

745. So Steve Miner just kind of said,

746. 'Hey, let's get Ari to do it.'

747. My investors in Boston

748. wanted to have it more extreme and seaweed,

749. and maybe he could be deformed a little bit,

750. and Tom Savini said, 'Oh, I've got a great idea.'

751. And he started to make his head lopsided

752. and put a weird eye on him.

753. And it just became more and more extreme.

754. We dredged up part of the pond

755. and Tom Savini used real swamp muck for that.

756. I came upon a picture in this group of Polaroids

757. and I said, 'And who's this?'

758. And he said, 'Oh, that's your son.'

759. And I said, 'Well, why does he look so strange? '

760. And he said, 'Well, he said, he's a mongoloid.

761. I said, 'He's what?'

762. I said, that wasn't in the script!'

763. That's a nightmare Jason that comes out of the water.

764. The real Jason was probably just an almost ordinary child.

765. And so that part is a total dream,

766. or it was in my mind.

767. We wind up having this gorgeous, idyllic setting.

768. You know, on the lake, in the canoe.

769. I did everything I could to tell the audience

770. that it's okay now. You can relax. It's over.

771. But the strongest aspect is Harry Manfredini's soundtrack.

772. That was really the first time in the film

773. where the music stopped being the music for the killer

774. and started to really manipulate you.

775. It's over. The police have come. The cavalry's here.

776. It went on so long that even the people

777. who were positive something was going to happen

778. pretty much gave up that something was going to happen.

779. Alice has this look of hope.

780. And she's just trailing her fingers in the water.

781. And BAM!

782. And it was a wonderful addition.

783. I mean I think that Sean's idea is right.

784. That it really wasn't finished until that.

785. One of the really delightful things that we could do

786. is go to a screening and watch the people jump at the end,

787. because for whatever reasons, this ending got 'em.

788. I'm telling you, people just flew out of the seats

789. and ran out of the theater

790. and Sean was just like a little kid going,

791. 'l got 'em, I got 'em all!'

792. I think without that single moment,

793. I don't think Friday would have been half as successful

794. as it was.

795. Because the people got to leave, strangely enough,

796. with a smile on their face.

797. They got tricked, and they loved it.

798. And then the next scene Alice wakes up,

799. and they tell her no one else was found.

800. It was only her. Everyone else is dead.

801. I remember the scene in the hospital vividly

802. because, when I sort of ask,

803. when she asks me about the boy and I go,

804. Ma'am, we didn't find any boy.

805. And she says

806. Then he's still there.

807. And he certainly was.

808. I knew that we're looking at a Part 2 here.

809. Those little drops at the end,

810. Those little ripples in the water at the end.

811. It's like, well, was it a dream, wasn't it at dream?

812. Were those raindrops, or were those air bubbles?

813. And I think now we know the answer.

814. In early 1980, the film was picked up

815. for domestic distribution by Frank Mancuso, Sr.

816. VP of Paramount Pictures, who planned a national release

817. and a multi-million dollar marketing campaign.

818. The risk paid off, and for Paramount,

819. Sean Cunningham and Georgetown Productions,

820. "Friday the 13th" was about to become

821. their lucky day.

822. Frank Mancuso was head of distribution at Paramount.

823. And he had the idea of treating this little movie

824. as if it were a real movie.

825. And had no stars, and nothing recognizable

826. except this sort of strange, superstitious title.

827. And went out and sold it like crazy.

828. 1

829. 2

830. 3

831. Friday the 13th. You may only see it once.

832. But that will be enough.

833. "Friday the 13th" opened on May 9, 1980,

834. eventually taking in $39.7 million at the U.S. box office.

835. If the reason behind the film's immense popularity

836. was lost on mainstream critics,

837. who not only hated the film, but eviscerated it.

838. no one was more stunned by its success than its creators.

839. For better or worse, "Friday the 13th"

840. would change their lives.

841. and the horror genre... forever.

842. When it first started, it was repeat business

843. that made it successful.

844. It was teenage girls going to see it

845. and then bringing their girlfriends,

846. and then dragging their boyfriend to see it.

847. It was all this repeat business.

848. Before "Friday the 13th," maybe the most successful

849. quote-unquote horror movies

850. were handled on a very limited basis,

851. like "Halloween" or even "Carrie."

852. They weren't treated as major motion pictures.

853. The fact that that one became so wildly successful,

854. the producers jumped on it as this is an opportunity

855. for us to sell this off and make more and more films.

856. You also have to remember this was back in 1980.

857. This was before cable TV. Before the internet.

858. Before VHS really. Before DVD.

859. So if you wanted to get anything that was really titillating,

860. horror was the only place you could go.

861. There was something, um, exciting about it

862. 'cause it was breaking new ground.

863. And of course your parents didn't want you to see it,

864. which only made you want to see it that much more,

865. and made it that much better when you did see it.

866. The modern horror movie was kind of born,

867. because it now became a possible player

868. in the mainstream distribution of movies.

869. It's like "Night of the Living Dead" with Romero.

870. Those guys involved in that all had careers after that.

871. I thought it was a piece of crap.

872. And l, truthfully, didn't care if my name got on it or not.

873. At that time. And then when it opened,

874. My god!

875. The critical reaction to "Friday the 13th,"

876. was so abysmal that I knew we were going to be a success.

877. I mean, there was one critic who wanted us all arrested

878. and tried for horrible crimes against humanity.

879. I'm convinced it has something to do

880. with the growth of the women's movement in America

881. in the last decade.

882. I think that these films are some sort of primordial response

883. by some very sick people, of men

884. saying 'get back in your place, women.'

885. And I was upset by all of the terrible publicity,

886. and the scorn and the ridicule.

887. Gene Siskel gave us this scathing review.

888. I think he even may have published Betsy Palmer's address

889. saying, 'write to her nasty things

890. because she's a terrible person.

891. How dare Betsy Palmer play a role like this

892. in "Friday the 13th,"

893. when she has made herself so lovable,

894. on "I've Got a Secret all these years,

895. and all the television shows she's done.

896. How dare she play a role like that,

897. and insult her viewing audience?

898. And I thought, 'Well, those who can, do,

899. and those who can't, criticize.'

900. The first of the slashers

901. were to reflect the changing attitudes and ideas

902. about women and what they could do.

903. I think we go back to Jamie Lee Curtis in "Halloween,"

904. Sissy Spacek in "Carrie."

905. Sigourney Weaver.

906. Alice, all of a sudden, is the sole survivor.

907. And I believe it was a direct reflection

908. of what was going on in the world.

909. And I think "Friday the 13th" really empowered women.

910. So after "Friday the 13th" was released,

911. there spawned a whole new industry

912. of teenage horror films based on holidays,

913. or based on a serial killer,

914. based on very low budgets and low writing.

915. Strangely enough, I think that people often sort of imitated

916. my mistakes rather than the stuff that I got right.

917. Well, "Friday the 13th" was the greatest experience for me

918. up until the point of after it opening.

919. It was huge. It was fabulous.

920. It was an actor's dream come true.

921. It certainly was for me.

922. And then, slowly I realized I had a stalker.

923. Stalking was not taken seriously back in 1980.

924. And it wasn't, it wasn't something

925. that everyone was aware of.

926. I was starting to get phone calls back then,

927. it was so easy to get phone numbers.

928. He, he got into my apartment.

929. For over a year, I didn't know who my stalker was

930. and what happened was, he befriended me,

931. he actually worked his way into my life

932. so I was actually giving him information

933. about my stalker.

934. I had an ordeal with him up close at one point,

935. which in itself, is a horror movie.

936. Eventually, I had a gun to my head.

937. And I was able to talk the fan down.

938. It really took its toll for a while.

939. But, it's all okay now. It's all good now.

940. And having three generations of fans

941. from around the world that fly in to wherever I am,

942. at a city or a convention,

943. that really talk to me and care,

944. and tell me how much it affected them

945. when they found out.

946. It's just a gift. It's a beautiful thing.

947. And, I thank them.

948. I've turned around my thinking about it.

949. I think it worked out just the way it was supposed to.

950. And I have never felt that I damaged my career.

951. If anything, there are people that would never know I existed.

952. We had this tiny little movie that cost $500,000,

953. made in a boy scout camp in New Jersey.

954. I just cannot imagine how we got here from there.

955. It kind of launched the whole mythology.

956. And it wasn't by accident, but it was kind of good fortune.

957. And it wasn't by accident, but it was kind of good fortune.

958. By the end of 1980, Friday the 13th

959. had already unleashed a slew of imitators,

960. throwing open the floodgates

961. for fledgling independent distributors

962. and major Hollywood studios

963. Iooking to cash in on the new slasher film craze.

964. With each film seemingly made faster,

965. cheaper and gorier than the last.

966. With Paramount Pictures pushing for a sequel,

967. Sean S. Cunningham grappled with the question

968. of what to do when virtually the entire cast

969. of your film and its villain - are dead.

970. So, now this phenomenon takes place,

971. and 'Friday the 13th' opens around the world,

972. and it's a big hit.

973. And the powers that be said,

974. We have to make a sequel.

975. And I'm saying, Why would you make a sequel?

976. I didn't think there was going to be any others

977. after the first one.

978. We were never led to believe that.

979. Mrs. Voorhees is dead,

980. and the image of Jason in the lake

981. is completely a fabrication of the mind.

982. I don't know what in the world we could do for a sequel.

983. Let me make one thing totally clear:

984. at the beginning of my movie

985. Jason is dead. There's no two ways about it.

986. Jason is totally, unalterably dead.

987. They offer me Part 2, and then I got the script,

988. and Jason is running around.

989. I thought, What are you doing? There is no Jason?

990. You know, the mother is the killer.

991. Jason was the kid that drowned in the lake.

992. Oh oh, we're going to change all that.

993. Well, they never did. So I chose something else.

994. I chose "The Burning, which is sort of a rip off

995. of 'Friday the 13th."

996. I understand that it would be very expensive

997. to bring Mrs. Voorhees back to life,

998. especially after we cut off her head.

999. So, we had to go somewhere, and of course

1000. Jason was the most logical place to go.

1001. Part 2 was basically his journey

1002. of seeking revenge of the death of his mother.

1003. And that's a very basic foundation of storytelling.

1004. Legend has it that Jason saw his mother beheaded that night.

1005. If you try to track that on any kind of a timeline,

1006. it makes no sense whatsoever.

1007. He just shows up some X number of years later.

1008. And I don't know if I'd want to try

1009. to fill in the blanks of what happened

1010. in between all those years.

1011. If you listen to the old-timers in town,

1012. they'll tell you he's still out there.

1013. He didn't drown in the lake.

1014. The mother thought he drowned in the lake.

1015. So what happened to this child? He was young.

1016. He kind of found a way to survive,

1017. and he grew up in the woods.

1018. Surviving any way he can.

1019. So what is he?

1020. Is he living off crayfish by the pond for 35 years

1021. and nobody saw this weird kid out there, you know?

1022. The first film was obviously a thriller.

1023. It was, you know, almost a murder mystery.

1024. Who's doing all this killing and why?

1025. Oh, my sweet, innocent Jason

1026. So the notion of having a surprise

1027. as to who it is, or what it is, changed completely.

1028. So, what the stories became

1029. was sort of a ritualized telling

1030. of a group of young people who go someplace

1031. where they shouldn't go.

1032. You change the characters a little bit,

1033. but it stayed inside of a very deliberate form.

1034. While Cunningham ultimately went on

1035. to pursue other projects,

1036. including "A Stranger is Watching,"

1037. "Spring Break" and "Deep Star Six,"

1038. his 29-year-old protÈgÈ, Steve Miner,

1039. was given his first feature directing assignment

1040. on 'Friday the 13th, Part 2."

1041. Steve Miner was definitely up for

1042. 'Friday the 13th' Part 2, for directing it.

1043. He and probably with Sean's help, cast it.

1044. They found the location.

1045. They did all the preliminary work on the show.

1046. And I know that he was involved with some of the writing of it.

1047. Steve had been around all of us for many years

1048. so thathe actually was so young at the time,

1049. they called him 'The Kid'.

1050. That was his nickname.

1051. By the end of September 1980, a mere four months

1052. after the release of the original film,

1053. Steve Miner and his crew were already back in production

1054. with 'Friday the 13th Part 2.

1055. Code-named Jason.

1056. New to the team was 22-year-old

1057. Frank Mancuso Jr.,

1058. who would become the driving force

1059. behind the 'Friday the 13th' franchise

1060. Frank Mancuso, Jr. called me up before the show,

1061. and said that he was going to come down

1062. and be a P.A. on the movie.

1063. I knew, of course, by this time

1064. his father was the president of Paramount Pictures.

1065. I got involved in "Part 2" when I was just graduating college.

1066. And my dad knew the guys from Boston,

1067. Phil Scuderi and Bob Barsamian,

1068. who sort of initiated the first movie.

1069. He, you know, went to work with us

1070. and was treated like a member of the crew,

1071. became a member of the crew.

1072. Those kinds of experiences I really feel helped, you know,

1073. kind of form what I became as far as having, you know,

1074. a keen understanding of what everybody does,

1075. how they do it.

1076. And he was really just there to learn, I think.

1077. And that's how it started. He quickly caught on.

1078. And a couple of the people

1079. that were above the line weren't working out

1080. so they were getting rid of some of those people,

1081. so I kept on, like moving up the food chain

1082. kind of strangely.

1083. And I think that that can only happen on that kind of a movie.

1084. "Part 2" picks up two months after the events of "Part 1,"

1085. with an extended prologue that would see the return

1086. and the demise of the original film's traumatized final girl.

1087. The fans have told me at convention after convention

1088. that they felt, quote-unquote, ripped off

1089. about the way Alice died in "Part 2."

1090. I do, too.

1091. I mean she was such a tough cookie in "Part 1,"

1092. and then.

1093. That was pretty much a necessity.

1094. I think originally she had been approached to star in "Part 2,"

1095. but her agent, as I understand it,

1096. just wanted too much money.

1097. So, she was basically written out.

1098. Honestly, when I got on the set that weekend,

1099. I didn't know it was over for Alice until I got there.

1100. So, surprise!

1101. They never gave me a script for "Part 2."

1102. They said, 'Oh, it's just gonna be improv.'

1103. I'm not kidding you. This is how it happened.

1104. They, 'Slam-bam-thank you, ma'am? '

1105. Roll around on the bed for a while.

1106. Intercut. Okay, go to the door,

1107. that whole phone conversation...

1108. I just have to put my life back together,

1109. and this is the only way I know how!

1110. Not scripted. All improv. All improv.

1111. After Alice's discovery

1112. of Mrs. Voorhees' decomposing head in her refrigerator,

1113. she is confronted by the vengeful, and fully-grown,

1114. Jason.

1115. I shot that scene in one night.

1116. And it was a prop man I met,

1117. one who didn't check his props.

1118. And so the first time the ice pick went into my temple,

1119. it did not retract.

1120. Yikes!

1121. After an explosive main title sequence,

1122. the story jumps ahead five years in time

1123. as another group of unwary counselors

1124. arrives at Crystal Lake to open a new summer camp

1125. headed by the enterprising Paul Holt.

1126. I'm also sure there's one thing I don't have to tell any of you.

1127. Being a counselor isn't the gravy summer job

1128. everybody thinks it is.

1129. And I was a little older than everybody

1130. because I was the head camp counselor.

1131. He, you know, thought he was somewhat older,

1132. and knew more than these people,

1133. he was a little prissy and stuffy or something.

1134. You know I thought that would be kind of a funny thing to do

1135. with the character.

1136. Assisting Paul is the spunky and intelligent Ginny.

1137. Who would become one of the most memorable

1138. and well-regarded characters in the 'Friday the 13th' series.

1139. To know that I did one of these films

1140. where they get all these women in that are so vulnerable,

1141. and to be the one that people think was strong

1142. and intelligent, it just, it feels good.

1143. There's always the last damsel in distress

1144. who, you know, summons up the courage

1145. to fight back.

1146. And then I guess with my character,

1147. it was pretty great because somebody who was strong enough

1148. to fight back and kind of stay present

1149. in the face of danger.

1150. And I was so young that I didn't create

1151. a whole other life

1152. 'cause I think that what was really called for

1153. was exactly who you were as a person,

1154. to bring that to screen.

1155. Her character was written for her,

1156. and it was written well.

1157. She was very, very well liked on the crew as well.

1158. Amy slept with everybody in the entire crew,

1159. the actors and most of the people in Kent.

1160. I'm just kidding.

1161. Well, there's something about the chemistry

1162. that we both have a very similar sense of humor.

1163. It's a little bit sarcastic.

1164. So we could look at each other and kind of laugh.

1165. I think that's why it might have worked.

1166. Ginny, I was starting to worry about you.

1167. Bullshit, Paul.'

1168. We actually stayed in a camp

1169. that was no longer in use because the season had passed.

1170. So we were in these big barracks.

1171. I mean, it was insane.

1172. Basically, it was a children's camp,

1173. and we wanted to keep it that way.

1174. We didn't want anything to stand between

1175. the good feelings that people had about the children

1176. and a healthy environment, which was a little bit different

1177. than the Jason environment.

1178. It was cold. Everybody had heaters and stuff.

1179. And it was pretty basic.

1180. It was like living at night for two months.

1181. You just start getting kind of creeped out.

1182. You know, everything looks so calm down here.

1183. I'm looking pretty closely, I don't know,

1184. it would be amazing if all of a sudden Jason just popped out.

1185. They weren't sure which role they wanted me to play,

1186. so I wound up auditioning but I think there was a point

1187. where Steve said, 'Hey Stu, tell a joke.'

1188. I did, I told a joke.

1189. They wound up, in the movie, using jokes

1190. that I had invented like this

1191. 'What's brown and sits on a piano? '

1192. 'Your face.'

1193. 'Beethoven's last movement.'

1194. There was a sign on the side of the road

1195. in the beginning of the movie,

1196. but we do have that sign as a remembrance

1197. of that particular scene.

1198. We come back to Crystal Lake to open up this camp again,

1199. I thought all of us would have been smart enough

1200. not to go back to a place like that,

1201. but here we are going back to a place

1202. where all these people were murdered.

1203. The first night that we're there and everybody's gathered,

1204. and everybody's made it to the camp,

1205. Paul Holt basically scares the shit out of everybody.

1206. I don't want to scare anyone...

1207. but I'm gonna give it to you straight about Jason.

1208. I had never been to a camp in the country,

1209. so while he's doing that monologue,

1210. little Lauren-Marie Taylor is thinking inside her head,

1211. Ahhh! — For real.

1212. I thought that John did a great job of, you know,

1213. kind of, in the scene, of building the tension,

1214. you know, then to break with Ted, you know,

1215. jumping out and scaring everybody.

1216. And we just think it's going to be a regular summer,

1217. the kids are going to arrive.

1218. And then these horrible, horrible things start happening.

1219. And one by one Jason Voorhees kills us

1220. and continues to do what he does best.

1221. With the departure of gore wizard Tom Savini,

1222. another renowned Hollywood special effects artist,

1223. the late Stan Winston, was initially brought on

1224. to create the film's bloody set pieces.

1225. Due to scheduling conflicts, however,

1226. Winston was forced to drop out of the project,

1227. handing his duties over to up-and-coming

1228. special make-up effects designer, Carl Fullerton.

1229. But a key casting decision still needed to be made.

1230. Who would play murderous mama's boy Jason Voorhees?

1231. That question would, like the character himself,

1232. grow into the stuff of legend.

1233. They give me a black script.

1234. It said "Jason" on the front of it.

1235. 'Well, we like you, you know, for this counselor role.'

1236. I guess this was the role that ultimately John Furey got.

1237. And so then they said, 'Well, would you like to be Jason? '

1238. Well, sure, yeah,

1239. I'd love to do anything you want me to do.

1240. I could never figure out the deal with Jason.

1241. They had a guy for a while.

1242. I believe his name was Warrington.

1243. And then he didn't seem to like doing it,

1244. or he didn't want to do stunts or something.

1245. And then, he didn't stay for the whole movie

1246. I got a call from Cliff Cudney,

1247. who happened to be the stunt coordinator

1248. on 'Friday the 13th 2,"

1249. and he had called me and said,

1250. 'Listen, I'm up here in Connecticut doing this film,

1251. and the guy that they hired to play Jason

1252. can't do his own stunts. We got big problems.'

1253. He says, 'Can you get up to Kent, Connecticut? '

1254. I know that the rest of us on set,

1255. we knew that there was stuff going on about Warrington

1256. and Steve and in terms of who was doing what.

1257. If you had asked me who was Jason,

1258. I would have said Warrington.

1259. Warrington Gillette was my Jason Voorhees.

1260. He got all the hoopla, you know,

1261. for everything that I did.

1262. Cliff Cudney, the stunt coordinator, said to me,

1263. 'You're the guy that was the Jason.

1264. Tell your story. You did all the work.

1265. Ironically, neither actor played Jason the first time

1266. the character appears on screen.

1267. For the film's moody opening,

1268. Jason was played, for the first and only time

1269. in the series' history by a woman—

1270. costume designer Ellen Lutter.

1271. It also fell to Lutter to come up with a disguise

1272. for the hideously-deformed Jason.

1273. One that could only be called a first step

1274. in the evolution of one of horror's most iconic faces.

1275. It was through Steve, I remember him and Sean

1276. having these talks up in Sean's office

1277. and coming up with designs

1278. for you know "Part 2" with that canvas bag.

1279. Instead of using an ugly face or an ugly mask for Jason,

1280. he would just cover it completely

1281. in a sack or a bandage, or whatever.

1282. And everybody in the audience would have their own images

1283. of what is the most horrible person they can think of.

1284. And it worked pretty well.

1285. The movie, "The Town that Dreaded Sundown"

1286. had a serial killer wearing a potato sack,

1287. and so I think that could have been, you know,

1288. an idea that was definitely well utilized.

1289. The costume designer was the one that brought us

1290. the pillowcase to cover Jason.

1291. I didn't like it at the time.

1292. But, I know why it was chosen.

1293. It was chosen because it was an artifact

1294. that was readily available.

1295. That was the bridge to the hockey mask,

1296. which became the icon, and it was a great icon.

1297. Once I put the bag over my head, and I ran in the woods,

1298. I couldn't see anything 'cause the bag flopped

1299. back and forth.

1300. We'll put double face tape,

1301. and we'll hold it right close to your eye.

1302. This way you'll see where you're going.

1303. And it worked marvelously. It was terrific.

1304. But to me, you know, the real talent came in

1305. with Carl Fullerton trying to create this face

1306. that was pretty pretty intense.

1307. And yeah, you would get in the makeup chair at noon

1308. they'd be ready to go at seven.

1309. So it's a process.

1310. Another notable character from the first film

1311. would also meet an untimely and early demise in "Part 2."

1312. I told the others. They didn't believe me.

1313. Walt Gorney was just there for a very short time

1314. at the beginning of the movie,

1315. and at the beginning of our production.

1316. I'd say near, between the American flag

1317. and that stop sign,

1318. that's where they had the phone booth.

1319. And the actor came riding through on a bicycle

1320. when they were in the phone booth, and said,

1321. 'You are all Doomed!'

1322. You're all doomed.

1323. Amazing guy.

1324. I remember Walt being sort of quiet, but very, very nice.

1325. Veryand very, very kind of elegant.

1326. A really good actor.

1327. It was interesting, when they did set up that booth

1328. in New Preston,

1329. they took a break for lunch, and while they were eating lunch,

1330. two young girls came and they tried to use the telephone.

1331. And of course, it was a dummy phone,

1332. and everyone was just hysterical watching them

1333. trying to use it and coming out angry.

1334. Crazy Ralph was choked.

1335. He was, I believe, the first death

1336. in 'Friday the 13th' Part 2.

1337. Yeah, yeah, I killed Ralph with a garrote and a thin wire

1338. and you take his head like that.

1339. What are you kids doin' out here?

1340. I'm proud to be known as Deputy Winslow.

1341. In the original script, I wasn't named.

1342. I was just kind of an officer of the law.

1343. But in the book that followed, I was given a name,

1344. and the name was Winslow.

1345. An interesting anecdote is that I was hired as this cop.

1346. And I had to drive a police car.

1347. Now, I've never driven a car in my life,

1348. before or since.

1349. And for a time they were giving me some lessons,

1350. and I almost killed more people than Jason.

1351. Now if you were a policeman, and you were doing your job

1352. and you came driving down the road here,

1353. and you saw a shape rush across the road into the woods,

1354. you probably would do

1355. what that policeman in 'Friday the 13th' Part 2 did.

1356. He pulled over, got out of the car and ran into the woods,

1357. chasing the figure.

1358. Unfortunately, the results weren't so good to him.

1359. In shooting that death scene, Jason has this hammer.

1360. The claw end of the hammer

1361. went right in the back of the cop's head.

1362. Before we started to shoot,

1363. I went to this make-up place

1364. and they made this exact replica of me.

1365. And they put some blood bags in there,

1366. and they were gonna smack me in the head and

1367. everything was gonna go like that,

1368. and they never used it.

1369. It intrigued me that we killed Walt and the sheriff so early.

1370. And I think it was just to remove any possibility

1371. that the cavalry would come over the hill and save the campers.

1372. So you knew that they were in jeopardy,

1373. and that there was just no turning back, or no help

1374. from the outside going to come.

1375. So there I was, sitting in this fast food joint.

1376. I think that Muffin was,

1377. I don't know if it was someone's personal dog,

1378. or it was actually a trained performing dog.

1379. It was very likable, very friendly.

1380. I think it actually got its name above my name

1381. in the credits.

1382. Do you want to dance?

1383. No, thank you.

1384. My character, you know, was just striking out

1385. with women and with the girl he was after.

1386. But the dog, she showed me a lot of love in that movie.

1387. One of the cuts that I love from 'Friday the 13th Part 2,"

1388. is the camera is on the dog and all of a sudden

1389. it cuts to hot dogs on a barbeque grill.

1390. And it's just funny, and Steve is like that.

1391. He has a sort of like a very wry sense of humor.

1392. Well, I think that if Muffin was still around,

1393. you know, we probably would have stayed together

1394. and but I don't want to get too specific about that.

1395. One of the actresses went swimming in the nude,

1396. and of course that was a big talk in the group,

1397. and everybody volunteered to come there

1398. and help with the scene.

1399. They were looking for a towel boy.

1400. Somebody who would wrap towels around,

1401. I believe it was Kristen

1402. who would come out of the water in the nude,

1403. and everybody volunteered.

1404. Looking for something?

1405. I was so innocent. You know, I don't know why I was killed.

1406. I don't know why Jason had it in for me. It's crazy.

1407. My mother calls me the night before and she goes,

1408. 'Do you die today in the movie? '

1409. I go, 'Yeah.'

1410. She goes, 'Why are they save that to the very end?

1411. Is this a snuff movie? Are they going to kill you?'

1412. I said, 'No, I don't think so, mom.

1413. This is Paramount.'

1414. The snare was attached to a sapling tree.

1415. And when he cut the rope on the sapling tree,

1416. it pulled the rope up, which would have the victim's foot

1417. in the rope and he'd be hanging upside down.

1418. AAAAHHHHHHH! AHH! HELP!

1419. In effect, it worked perfectly and nobody was hurt.

1420. My head gets pulled back by Jason, and he slits my throat.

1421. First they put the machete against it,

1422. and then he would pull it and as he slit,

1423. it looked like he was actually cutting it.

1424. But they used the dull side of the machete and many times

1425. people have said to me, 'It looks like you were cut

1426. from the wrong side of that machete.'

1427. And it's quite true.

1428. The role of wheelchair-bound Mark

1429. was played by openly gay actor and model Tom McBride,

1430. who sadly passed away in 1995.

1431. I started flirting with Tom McBride very early

1432. in the process.

1433. And he finally said, 'Lauren, not gonna happen.'

1434. And I went, 'Oh, shucks.'

1435. He's actually the only one I flirted with,

1436. but Tom McBride was great.

1437. And he was just a sweetheart.

1438. If you watch the movie,

1439. the most uncomfortable moment I have

1440. is when I look at Tom McBride in the wheelchair,

1441. and I'm supposed to be smoking a joint?

1442. And I say... Toke?

1443. You can tell I have no idea what I'm talking about.

1444. And everyone on the set knew it.

1445. And they never let me forget it.

1446. I was such a good Catholic Girl.

1447. McBride's death scene in 'Friday the 13th Part 2"

1448. remains one of the series' most memorable and controversial.

1449. I thought Tom McBride's kill was cool.

1450. He got a machete in his head and went down a series of steps.

1451. It was just, seemed so cruel.

1452. You know, here's a guy in a wheelchair,

1453. and you know he's got no way to defend himself really.

1454. To me that's like, how could you

1455. go much further than that? That's really far.

1456. Actually, he had constructed a rail

1457. for the wheelchair to travel on,

1458. and to make sure that the actor wouldn't get hurt.

1459. It was a tremendous amount of work put into it.

1460. It was a fantastic, fantastic stunt

1461. back down that staircase.

1462. I don't know if you've ever tried

1463. to go down backwards, on a wheelchair,

1464. with a make-believe machete in your head,

1465. but it's a challenge.

1466. Many of the film's most inventive murder sequences

1467. were actually suggested by the late Phil Scuderi,

1468. who never took credit for his creative contributions

1469. to the 'Friday the 13th' films.

1470. Phil Scuderi was more, I would say,

1471. like the architect of the series.

1472. He came up with some great scenes himself.

1473. I mean he, and it was embarrassing sometimes,

1474. he'd get up in a restaurant and act them out for me.

1475. You know, 'This is what I want you to write,' you know,

1476. and he'd act a scene out for me.

1477. Of course there was a couple in the bed having sex.

1478. And we all know in a horror movie,

1479. if you have sex, you have to die.

1480. Because it's wrong.

1481. Which is not the case in real life.

1482. Oh, I thought it was great, are you kidding?

1483. You know, I remember I was a young guy, you know.

1484. You'd be able to, you know, film this, you know, love scene.

1485. And then, and then get a spear. I thought it was terrific.

1486. Essentially, there's a hole in the floor and both characters

1487. were standing in this hole.

1488. Carl Fullerton who was our make-up guy,

1489. I had gone to his place in New Jersey

1490. and they had made a latex back,

1491. which actually you never see in the film.

1492. So he was actually skewered on camera.

1493. That spear actually went into his back on camera.

1494. It was fabulous.

1495. It was just really fun.

1496. The sound guy at one point,

1497. I'm sitting there on my knees and he comes over to me,

1498. and he says, he says, How are you? How you doin'?

1499. Are you okay? I said, 'You know, yeah.

1500. I'm alright, you know my, you know I'm a little uncomfortable.

1501. He said, Open your mouth.

1502. And he blows some powder into my mouth.

1503. And I'm telling you, they could have filmed it 15 times.

1504. I was having a great time after that.

1505. Fullerton's human-shish-kebob

1506. was one of the many graphic special effects

1507. deemed too disturbing

1508. by the Motion Picture Association of America.

1509. To date, the scene has never been released

1510. in its uncut form.

1511. That skewering scene was actually really fun to set up

1512. and really fun to shoot.

1513. And what a disappointment that it all hit the floor.

1514. When we were prepping "Day of the Dead,"

1515. Carl Fullerton said, 'Oh, do you guys want to see

1516. some of the gags from 'Friday the 13th' Part 2? '

1517. We're like, 'Yeah, of course. That would be great.'

1518. Before it got butchered by the ratings board,

1519. the fact that the guy's on top of her,

1520. and she sees Jason coming, and she's struggling

1521. and she's trying to push him off of her

1522. so she could get out of the way.

1523. It was such an effective, disturbing sequence

1524. that, to this day, I could, I still remember

1525. exactly what it looked like.

1526. For all its gory inventiveness,

1527. the scene has been widely accused of ripping off

1528. a nearly identical murder sequence

1529. from Mario Bava's 1971 Giallo thriller,

1530. "Twitch of the Death Nerve."

1531. It was kind of fun after the fact

1532. to discover that Mario Bava had made a film

1533. called "Twitch of the Death Nerve,"

1534. which I had never heard of and never seen

1535. until long after the fact.

1536. This is going to sound really, really weird,

1537. but I was a great screamer.

1538. I hope nobody takes that the wrong way.

1539. But, I was. I could scream, I mean —

1540. I was really good at that,

1541. and I think once they figured that out,

1542. they decided, 'Okay, we're gonna have her scream a lot.'

1543. So they made it really long.

1544. And it started with just that little swipe on the leg.

1545. Where he, kind of, missed whatever he wanted to cut off.

1546. But then he kept, you know, it was like...

1547. They didn't use a dummy for that

1548. when they dragged me down the stairs.

1549. They actually dragged me down the stairs!

1550. So when you saw my feet going blump, blump, blump,

1551. that was a crew member dragging me down the stairs.

1552. There was a scene later on, where everybody's at the bar,

1553. and everybody's you know,

1554. partying while the rest of us are getting killed.

1555. What if there is a Jason?

1556. Oh, bullshit, Ginny!

1557. I mean, let's try to think beyond the legend

1558. and put it in real terms.

1559. I mean, what would he be like today?

1560. The character of Ginny Field,

1561. she somehow really understood

1562. that there's more to a person than just the bad side.

1563. You know, and everyone wants to demonize somebody.

1564. And so, she had some kind of insight that this,

1565. something had to go wrong somewhere in his childhood

1566. or his upbringing.

1567. He must have seen his mother get killed,

1568. and all just because she loved him.

1569. I think Ginny kind of understood that some,

1570. that there's more to it than just this demon guy

1571. with a pillowcase over his head.

1572. We went to that bar and none of those people,

1573. I think, had ever seen a movie,

1574. had been around a movie.

1575. And they were all hired as extras.

1576. And it was pretty funny.

1577. And we actually started drinking a bit in that scene,

1578. so by the time four in the morning came along,

1579. we just kept drinking.

1580. Arguably the luckiest character is fun-loving prankster Ted,

1581. who decides to stay behind at the bar,

1582. thereby escaping certain death.

1583. I did another movie, a John Carpenter film, "Christine,"

1584. and there's a scene in that where I got killed.

1585. Where I got squished.

1586. And they originally filmed it as me getting crushed

1587. underneath a car coming down.

1588. In the movie they wound up not using that scene.

1589. And I'm convinced that it's because I don't die good.

1590. So I'm glad that they didn't try to kill me here,

1591. 'cause, you know, to make believe me dying as an actor,

1592. has got to be one of the silliest things

1593. for a grown-up to do.

1594. This is the site of the old Lake Waramaug Casino,

1595. and this burned down about a year after it was used

1596. for some scenes in 'Friday the 13th Part 2."

1597. It starts to rain and Amy Steel and John Furey

1598. are coming out of the bar.

1599. And they're about to get into their,

1600. her little red Volkswagen.

1601. But I convinced Steve Miner

1602. that I could run through the scene

1603. in the parking lot.

1604. As they're getting in the car,

1605. you can see me running into the restaurant.

1606. You can't even tell that it's anything

1607. other than a body running through the rain, but it's me.

1608. I come back from the dead.

1609. Unaware of the carnage that has occurred in the main cabin,

1610. Ginny and Paul make a gruesome discovery,

1611. and the terrifying final confrontation with Jason begins.

1612. When I'm down there waiting, and they're coming in,

1613. and I'm behind the couch, I was like a little kid.

1614. You know what I mean?

1615. I was like, I couldn't wait,

1616. I was, oh, this is gonna be good.

1617. Paul, there's someone in this fuckin' room!

1618. Amy with the screaming, and the whole thing.

1619. And that's when the chase scene started.

1620. There was a lot of physical action in the film.

1621. I had to jump out of this window.

1622. And I remember the stunt guy said you know,

1623. 'Maybe you could get a stunt adjustment for that.'

1624. But yeah, it was a lot of running.

1625. Splashing through the puddles.

1626. Jumping, hiding, a lot of it was hiding.

1627. I really like Amy, I mean, I always liked Amy.

1628. She brought a great sort of buoyancy to whatever she did.

1629. I mean, she came in, she was enthusiastic,

1630. she was down with whatever the program was.

1631. Here I am under the bed,

1632. and Jason's walking around, and I'm scared to death,

1633. and all of a sudden a rat comes right in front of my face.

1634. I thought Ginny was so scared she peed her pants.

1635. Maybe it was the rat, I don't know.

1636. But it wasn't a large amount of pee for a rat?

1637. I gotta give Amy Steel a lot of credit

1638. because all during the filming Amy never spoke to me.

1639. Off camera.

1640. I didn't have much communication with him,

1641. or I kind of kept him very separate.

1642. Amy was non-existent. She didn't want to come near me.

1643. She didn't want to know anything about me.

1644. I respected that. I stayed away from her as well.

1645. But mostly, you know,

1646. they would shoot him and then shoot me.

1647. So we were never exactly at the same place at the same time,

1648. with the exception of the sweater scene.

1649. That final scene we used to call Chez Jason.

1650. Where Amy goes and dresses up as Mrs. Voorhees.

1651. And Jason is somewhat stunned by, wait a minute.

1652. This is my mom.

1653. And she psyches him out.

1654. In her only cameo in any of the 'Friday the 13th' sequels,

1655. Betsy Palmer appears to Jason

1656. as the ghostly visage of Mrs. Voorhees.

1657. They said, would I come and let them make up my head?

1658. Again.

1659. And that they needed that and do a few voice-overs.

1660. And I said, Sure, I'll do that.

1661. Which I did.

1662. He's a tragic figure because he was looking for his mother.

1663. Now here, after all this time,

1664. Amy's in the lair, and she says

1665. Jason, mother is talking to you!

1666. Jason, Mother is talking to you.

1667. And when I listen to what she said,

1668. that's when I did the, you know, the tilt the head.

1669. Is that my mother? Is that my mother?

1670. My heart broke. I really felt bad for poor Jason.

1671. I felt what I was doing through the whole thing,

1672. I really did.

1673. That was the point of the film where I went,

1674. 'That's really where we're going.

1675. That's what the sound of this is.'

1676. So there was a certain ethereal, sort of spacey,

1677. kind of sound that permeated the picture from the beginning.

1678. I have the machete behind my back.

1679. And I'm instructed to pull the machete up.

1680. And just as Mrs. Voorhees' face is revealed,

1681. he's supposed to bring up this pickaxe.

1682. And then that's when I bring the machete down.

1683. There was a lot of discussion before that scene was shot.

1684. It was ultimately decided that Amy could do it.

1685. So Cliff took her, and he walked her through it

1686. a couple of times, on what would happen.

1687. 'Make sure you hit the pickaxe in the middle,

1688. and so forth, and so on.

1689. She is a great actress, but unfortunately that day for me,

1690. she was trying to kill me.

1691. So I guess I got really anxious,

1692. and I brought the machete down

1693. when he still had the pick-axe like this,

1694. as opposed to this.

1695. She missed the pick-axe, and she came down on my finger.

1696. And I felt so bad.

1697. But the actor who played Jason was really cool about it.

1698. You know, he just said, 'Hey, this is what happens.

1699. This is what happens when you're a stunt person.'

1700. So then he goes to the hospital.

1701. I think he had the machete through his chest or something,

1702. and walks into the emergency room and they're like,

1703. Oh, my god!

1704. I come walking in with the machete

1705. sticking out of my shoulder,

1706. and everybody in the emergency room went...

1707. And I walked up to the desk,

1708. I says, Have you got anything for a headache?

1709. I've got a very bad headache.

1710. They stitched him up.

1711. But, he was professional, he came back,

1712. and they finished the scene with the bandage under the shirt.

1713. And I have 13 stitches in this finger to show you.

1714. It's right here, this, it's 13 stitches.

1715. So, very apropos.

1716. Muffin comes tottering in.

1717. 'Oh, Muffin. You're alive!'

1718. Come here, Muffin.

1719. The scene where Jason comes careening through the window?

1720. Look, you thought he was dead.

1721. And it's the greatest shock.

1722. I know that the Jason coming through the window

1723. was a nightmare for me.

1724. I had to do it three times.

1725. And it was really scary.

1726. And yeah, it's plenty scary.

1727. The mystery of the unknown.

1728. What is behind that potato sack?

1729. We never saw the make-up.

1730. And he didn't want me to see it.

1731. And he wanted to look really real.

1732. You know, because we could have walked up to the make-up area

1733. and seen what this guy looked like

1734. so we wouldn't have been as shocked, you know,

1735. when he blasts through the window.

1736. They built a platform outside the house.

1737. The platform was probably 4 feet long.

1738. So we coordinated how many steps it takes.

1739. One, two three, bah, you know, through the window.

1740. And at this time in my life,

1741. I was not a well-seasoned stuntman.

1742. So this was the first time I jumped through a window.

1743. Steve was, he knew how I felt about that scene.

1744. And I remember he was, you know he goes,

1745. Hey, let's go have lunch.

1746. And he was trying to kind of play it really cool

1747. and not let me know.

1748. And then all of a sudden he said, Guess what?

1749. We have to re-shoot that scene again.

1750. Ruined my day.

1751. But anyway, look, the proof is in the scene.

1752. Cause we got it right, and people are still talking.

1753. Much like its predecessor,

1754. Part 2's ending would ultimately pose more questions

1755. than it answered.

1756. Chief among them, what happened to Paul?

1757. The end of 'Friday the 13th Part 2"

1758. is still one of the most confusing endings

1759. of that series.

1760. You didn't know what happened to my character.

1761. Like she says at the end of the movie,

1762. she says, "Where's Paul? "

1763. And they said, "We don't know. We haven't found him yet."

1764. So they purposely left it ambiguous.

1765. And I'm not sure exactly what did happen to Paul.

1766. Too bad he didn't come back in Part 3.

1767. As noted, we've seen a dog that earlier in the film

1768. it's suggested has been killed, shows up again.

1769. There is, of course, some speculation

1770. that it's a dream ultimately.

1771. Maybe that's one of the good parts of the movie

1772. is that you get to decide that for yourself.

1773. I guess there was talk of an alternate ending.

1774. It was not anything that was prominent

1775. when we were shooting it.

1776. At the very end, they zoom in on Mrs. Voorhees' head.

1777. It was just sort of sitting there on the altar.

1778. I know when they were shooting it,

1779. I think they couldn't decide

1780. whether the eyes should open or not.

1781. I think that they did make her eyes go open.

1782. Although the alternate ending of 'Friday the 13th Part 2"

1783. remains unreleased,

1784. production stills have surfaced of actress Connie Hogan,

1785. who played the decapitated head of Mrs. Voorhees

1786. in the film's unused final shot.

1787. In my world that was never a serious contender

1788. for an alternative ending.

1789. And we spent a lot of time getting it right.

1790. And we did. It's a fabulous ending.

1791. One of the guys came to me,

1792. I was from the camp office. And he said, "Thanks a lot.

1793. We left you a Thank You down at the lake."

1794. I came down there and what I found was a head

1795. hanging from a tree in a little net basket.

1796. And, I guess that was my thank you

1797. for the courtesies extended to these guys and the cast

1798. who were down there.

1799. So I still have that head and I've had a lot of fun with it

1800. over the years.

1801. As a matter of fact,

1802. I've had a number of people who wanted

1803. to purchase that and the Crystal Lake sign,

1804. but they bring back too many happy memories to me.

1805. Paramount Pictures released "Friday the 13th Part 2"

1806. on April 30, 1981.

1807. Continuing the original film's winning ad campaign

1808. highlighting the escalating body count,

1809. PART 2 brought in a final domestic box office take

1810. of $21.7 million.

1811. Even if the sequel didn't achieve the monster success

1812. of the original,

1813. it was still a bona fide moneymaker.

1814. If nothing more, it proved there was much more lifeblood

1815. to be drained from Jason Voorhees.

1816. The film came out, and it was amazingly successful.

1817. We were all very proud of it.

1818. We made it on a very small budget

1819. and pretty adverse circumstances.

1820. You know, somebody from Paramount called me up one day

1821. and they said, 'You're starring

1822. in the number one box office movie in America.'

1823. You know, it sort of sinks in then.

1824. And I'm glad that it's an iconic kind of horror movie.

1825. I was shocked.

1826. I had no idea that there was such a fan base

1827. for this film, and for Ginny.

1828. And everyone I've met has been excited

1829. and just been nothing but gracious.

1830. When I got involved in the second 'Friday the 13th'

1831. I had never seen the first one,

1832. so I didn't know what I was getting into.

1833. And I very quickly had to sort of get up to speed,

1834. and I had to very quickly sort of had to assimilate myself

1835. into a place that I hadn't been because of the opportunity,

1836. and the faith that people had in me, that they gave me,

1837. it turned out to be a, you know,

1838. like a life changing sort of dynamic for me.

1839. We were actually shooting the end of the movie,

1840. and Frank comes up and says,

1841. 'Can I talk to you for a minute? '

1842. and I said, 'Sure.' So he said,

1843. 'l have two job offers when this film is over.

1844. One is I can be Robert Evans' assistant.

1845. He's doing a film for Paramount.

1846. Or, I can produce my own film.

1847. Which do you think I should do?'

1848. And I said, 'You know, I think you should do your own film.

1849. I think that that would be great for you.

1850. I think you're ready to do that.'

1851. And I was just really thrilled that he asked.

1852. And I had no idea what he was talking about.

1853. And it turned out to be Friday the 13th Part 3.

1854. And off he went.

1855. And he did a great job with the series.

1856. I had no idea it was going to work the way it did.

1857. In fact I really thought

1858. it wasn't going to work the way it did.

1859. And I'm delighted to have been so wrong.

1860. And I'm delighted to have been so wrong.

1861. Bolstered by the success of 'Part 2.'

1862. 'Friday the 13th' managed to survive its sophomore slump.

1863. A third installment seemed a foregone conclusion.

1864. This time, however,

1865. the previous film's surviving character

1866. would not return to face Jason.

1867. 'Part 3' was going to have me as a trauma patient

1868. in a mental hospital

1869. and that Jason was going to come to find me

1870. and now his focus of revenge was all on me.

1871. And then he started offing all the patients,

1872. and they were going to call it 'Friday the 13th

1873. Meets Cuckoo's Nest."

1874. I was offered to write "Part 3" but I turned it down.

1875. I didn't want to be pigeon-holed

1876. as 'Friday the 13th' guy.

1877. I said no because I thought I was going to go on

1878. to all these like other things, and I didn't have time.

1879. But in hindsight I should have just done it

1880. and had a great time.

1881. Once again, Steve Miner returned to the director's chair

1882. while script supervisor Martin Kitrosser,

1883. along with his wife Carol Watson,

1884. wrote the screenplay.

1885. This time, the Boston-based investors

1886. put the film into the hands of a young,

1887. but extremely capable, new producer.

1888. These guys in Boston were used to working

1889. with people that they knew,

1890. like they knew Steve Miner from the first movie.

1891. He was a PA. Then the second movie he directed.

1892. He directed the third movie.

1893. So they liked sort of hanging onto people.

1894. Despite receiving a serviceable first draft

1895. from Kitrosser and Watson,

1896. the producers ultimately decided that the script

1897. needed more work before the project could be green lit

1898. for production.

1899. I was friendly with Frank Mancuso,

1900. and he mentioned that they had the screenplay

1901. in a series of horror movies,

1902. it was called 'Friday the 13th.'

1903. It's not a bad script, but it has to be re-written.

1904. It has to have a different kind of atmosphere.

1905. It has to be a lot more sinister,

1906. a lot more menacing.

1907. In addition to injecting the screenplay

1908. with more horror and menace,

1909. Steve Miner felt that 'Part 3' could benefit

1910. from the revival of a gimmick

1911. that he hoped would draw audiences back into theaters.

1912. And one that would make it possible for Jason

1913. to literally jump off the screen.

1914. 'Friday the 13th Part 3' would be shot in 3D.

1915. Back in the early 80s, Frank Mancuso, Sr. and l

1916. sat in an office in Toronto

1917. and discussed the idea of really trying to do

1918. something radically new in film

1919. that would help the theaters out a great deal.

1920. And what kind of a movie should we make?

1921. Should we do something like "Star Trek 3D"

1922. which is what was originally discussed,

1923. or should we try to do something that's horror

1924. and to try to really break the ground in horror films?

1925. We spoke a lot about the horror films

1926. that came out in the 50s in 3D.

1927. I had not seen many 3D movies, maybe one or two only.

1928. He took me to a 3D screening of "Dial M for Murder"

1929. which was he, Steve Miner was a fan of that movie,

1930. and a fan of Hitchcock in general.

1931. Frank Mancuso, Jr. really saw the idea

1932. of what the potential was.

1933. That whole idea of going to a theater,

1934. putting these kind of goofy glasses on.

1935. You want to have that fun and so, you know,

1936. that was part of the charm, I think.

1937. To help defray costs associated with the new 3D technology,

1938. the production team moved to the west coast.

1939. and by the spring of 1982,

1940. the search was underway for yet another resourceful

1941. female survivor and a youthful cast

1942. of soon-to-be victims.

1943. I sat in on the casting,

1944. and I was surprised how different my ideas

1945. of who should be the girl were

1946. compared to who was selected by Steve Miner.

1947. Well, I had done a film called "Sweet Sixteen,"

1948. and I guess the producer/director

1949. saw me in that,

1950. And I went for an audition and basically met with Steve Miner

1951. and that was it.

1952. I didn't really have to do a whole lot of auditioning for it.

1953. There was a group of us. There was the jock,

1954. and the good-looking girl,

1955. and the nerd and his good-looking date...

1956. I don't think so.

1957. And the stoners.

1958. They didn't really tell us much on the interview.

1959. It was very secret. There wasn't a lot talked about.

1960. My mother was an agent at the time,

1961. and I was getting ready to go to college.

1962. I had been working as a child as an actress,

1963. and it was time to go to college,

1964. and I was excited about that.

1965. My mom called my agent and said,

1966. "There's an interview for a movie of some sort.

1967. Crystal Japan.

1968. But when we finally found out what it was,

1969. oh, it was so exciting. It was wonderful.

1970. Actor Larry Zerner was literally approached on the street

1971. by the film's screenwriters,

1972. who thought he was perfect for the role

1973. of the overweight, insecure prankster.

1974. Relax. Be yourself.

1975. Would you be yourself if you looked like this?

1976. Shelly was unattractive and heavy,

1977. and he just had very poor self- esteem

1978. so he thought that if he had these little tricks,

1979. that would bring attention to him,

1980. which would make people like him.

1981. I guess I fooled you, huh?

1982. He's a little misguided that way.

1983. Why do you do these stupid things?

1984. I just want you to like me.

1985. I think given Vera's character,

1986. she did see the good in him,

1987. despite the fact that she was supposed to be a babe.

1988. And I talk to people who go, you know,

1989. I really love Shelly or I love the character and I love you.

1990. And then I do talk to a certain amount of people who go—

1991. Hated Shelly. Worst character in the series.

1992. After the dilemma

1993. of finding a capable stuntman in "Part 2,"

1994. the filmmakers decided they needed someone more agile,

1995. more athletic and more powerful to play the savage killer.

1996. I was actually working as a stuntman in LA.

1997. My background is actually circus.

1998. I spent most of my life as a flying trapeze artist

1999. in the circus.

2000. He looked like the boogeyman.

2001. He looked creepy and scary

2002. in the way that Richard Brooker had him moving.

2003. There's a certain malevolent intelligence

2004. to the character in 3 that's not seen in the other movies per se.

2005. I didn't get any direction from Steve Miner at all actually.

2006. He actually came to me and said, you know,

2007. "Don't ever come to me and ask me what your motivation is

2008. because you have no motivation.

2009. You're just a mindless killer, and you just go out and kill.

2010. You're like the living version of "Jaws."

2011. The creative choice that Steve Miner made

2012. to keep Jason lurking and unseen,

2013. I think was just a masterful creative choice

2014. that added to the suspense.

2015. Steve knew that it was better to try to keep Jason

2016. kind of in the background as a shadowy figure

2017. as opposed to, you know,

2018. just turning around and having Jason stand there.

2019. And he kept that going throughout the whole movie

2020. so you really didn't know or see, you know,

2021. how big Jason was until right at the climax of the movie.

2022. Steve Miner was a very laid-back director,

2023. and there was not a lot of tension on the set

2024. so it was easy to work with him.

2025. I had worked in the business since I was 2 years old,

2026. and I had worked with a lot of directors.

2027. And a lot of in my mind, directors were grown-ups

2028. and Steve was another kid.

2029. Never difficult. Never hard on us.

2030. Just a nice guy.

2031. In an homage to his idol Alfred Hitchcock,

2032. Steve Miner appears in an early cameo

2033. playing the newscaster reporting on the grisly aftermath

2034. of "Part 2."

2035. Crystal Lake was shocked today

2036. with reports of a grisly, mass-murder scene.

2037. Naturally, the ominous warning goes unheeded

2038. by Jason's next batch of victims.

2039. I have warned thee!

2040. You know, a lot of kids don't listen to the news, you know?

2041. They got better things to do with their life.

2042. So I think it's understandable that all of us would be,

2043. you know, heading up to Crystal Lake

2044. to be with our friends.

2045. The day after the events in "Part 2,"

2046. so it's technically Saturday the 14th,

2047. but don't tell anyone.

2048. It was filmed at a ranch in Saugus, California.

2049. They actually built the set there

2050. so everything was in one location.

2051. They built a little lake.

2052. They built the barn.

2053. They built the house and so everything was done right there.

2054. Shooting was put off for a day or so

2055. because there was an infestation of bees around.

2056. So there were rattlesnakes everywhere

2057. and some of the guys, some of the grips had guns

2058. and then they'd hear this gun going off

2059. because they were shooting rattlesnakes.

2060. Here we are on the set of "Friday the 13th Part 3,"

2061. In 3D.

2062. Over here's the house that we used,

2063. that unfortunately burned about a year ago,

2064. but the fireplace is still there.

2065. But this house was built just for us.

2066. It was a great atmosphere.

2067. Our producer was young. Our director was young.

2068. The whole cast were a bunch of young kids.

2069. And it was a very relaxed atmosphere.

2070. Everyone having a good time, and everyone having fun.

2071. Well, it was also the first movie with the 3D camera,

2072. which was kind of exciting.

2073. I mean, it was a very unusual camera.

2074. This was the lens that was used

2075. to shoot "Friday the 13th Part 3 in 3D."

2076. As you can see, it's really light weight and handheld,

2077. and it permitted you to really make a horror movie

2078. the way other horror movies are made.

2079. We could do things like shoot long lenses with it.

2080. We could do rack focuses with it.

2081. Steve Miner did wonderful work with Gerry Fiel

2082. by shooting a whole picture on a moving Louma crane.

2083. The first feature film

2084. to utilize the all-new Marks 3D system,

2085. "Friday the 13th Part 3" encountered more than its share

2086. of technical mishaps along the way.

2087. The 3D was very difficult.

2088. It was a brand new process. No one had ever used it before.

2089. Today 3D, I'm sure, has come much farther

2090. and is a lot easier to shoot.

2091. Back then it would take hours to set up a shot.

2092. There was a lot of time to just, as an actor,

2093. to just sit around and wait.

2094. That's what we did mostly.

2095. And there was always something going wrong with it.

2096. We were using at the time, which was very new,

2097. a Louma crane.

2098. And in the first run they did down the track,

2099. it collapsed.

2100. The whole thing went over.

2101. So, you know, they had to start all over again.

2102. And I remember the guy who ran it,

2103. he showed up one day with a shirt that said,

2104. "l Hate the Louma."

2105. The first thing we shot was the scene at the store,

2106. and they ended up basically throwing that away

2107. because it was really just a test

2108. to see if it could be done and then they revised it,

2109. and we came back a week later and then we did it.

2110. You had to do it exactly the way you were directed,

2111. or the 3D effect wouldn't turn out.

2112. So it was very precise.

2113. Often times we would do additional takes

2114. just because there were technical issues.

2115. So as an actor that was a little frustrating.

2116. When we're doing takes, you know,

2117. I'm throwing the wallet at the camera in the store just

2118. it's just take after take

2119. because you have to hit right to the camera

2120. otherwise it doesn't work.

2121. So things did take more takes than usual

2122. because I had to be perfectly right into the camera.

2123. You weren't really worried so much about your acting skills

2124. as much as could you get that yo-yo

2125. to go right in the lens.

2126. That was more important than anything else.

2127. Director Steve Miner focused on creating

2128. a totally new look for Jason

2129. and a host of gory practical effects

2130. that needed to leap out at the audience in 3D.

2131. Some of the good 3D gags,

2132. he puts a knitting needle through a woman's mouth

2133. so it comes out the front.

2134. When it comes out her mouth,

2135. it's actually a plastic version of the knitting needle

2136. connected to the original one,

2137. and it's actually behind Richard's hand.

2138. She just has her mouth open,

2139. and it's being fed down the side of his hand

2140. and out through his fingers.

2141. It's definitely a movie that should be seen in 3D.

2142. If you watch it on DVD,

2143. it just a lot of the stuff just doesn't work.

2144. When you watch it on 3D, it's like a whole other movie.

2145. People who see it in a good 3D projection

2146. do say it is one of their favorites.

2147. "Part 3" had me at the credits.

2148. When those credits came out part way and the whole music,

2149. the whole disco thing,

2150. and then they came out further, was so cool.

2151. The creative force behind the film's now famous disco theme

2152. was renowned music producer Michael Zager,

2153. who shared credit with a fictional band

2154. that he named "Hot lce."

2155. I'm not sure if disco was dead,

2156. but it was certainly it was still around.

2157. Disco really never goes away anyway.

2158. Once you hear it, you start to move,

2159. you feel you feel the groove, I guess, you know.

2160. I had no idea that this would become such a huge

2161. and popular thing.

2162. For example, in all the discos, gay clubs.

2163. I understand there's actually a tribute band

2164. who plays that particular piece live which astounds me.

2165. People just come to me and like,

2166. "l just really love that tune."

2167. Get yourself a little drum machine

2168. and you're on your way.

2169. You, too, can be Hot lce.

2170. In one of the film's more memorable scenes,

2171. Shelly and Vera are accosted at a general store

2172. by a fearsome motorcycle-riding trio.

2173. Hey, we're back in the store where we filmed the scene

2174. in "Friday the 13th Part 3."

2175. This is the Spunky Canyon Market.

2176. It is located in Green Valley, California.

2177. This is the scene where we go to the store to buy stuff,

2178. and Vera goes to talk to the cash register girl,

2179. and she says that famous line

2180. We don't accept no food stamps.

2181. The other two members of the gang, Fox and Ali,

2182. played by Gloria Charles and Nick Savage,

2183. were great and I think that, very much like myself,

2184. I don't think that that was their natural role.

2185. Then they throw the condom thing in.

2186. Is this your rubber?

2187. I was more embarrassed than the character,

2188. the other character was supposed to be

2189. about someone talking about a condom.

2190. Right behind me iswas where the motorcycles were.

2191. There's that scene where the car backs up

2192. and one time I did hit the motorcycle on accident,

2193. and they were not happy with me.

2194. One of the first things we shot

2195. when we started shooting the movie

2196. was the sequence in the Volkswagen

2197. and somebody smashes the Volkswagen window out,

2198. and Larry Zerner looks to the camera and said

2199. You went too far this time.

2200. Shelly gets us out of there

2201. and I think shared experiences, you know,

2202. like that bring people together.

2203. I did it! Did I do it?

2204. Yes, you did it. You were great!

2205. So there was a scene that was in the original script

2206. that we never shot

2207. where the Volkswagen headed down that road

2208. and then the motorcycle gang got on the motorcycles

2209. and chased us down.

2210. And Shelly had a champagne bottle

2211. that he bought at the store,

2212. and what he did is he popped the cork

2213. into their face

2214. which caused the motorcycle to fly off

2215. and them to be able to get away.

2216. And it would have been a whole lot of fun

2217. but we never shot it.

2218. And I don't know why.

2219. One of my favorite shots in the movie

2220. is when we're going to siphon the gas out of the van

2221. and that great shot of Tracie Savage

2222. that goes basically from her behind to me.

2223. I love the idea of siphoning gas

2224. with a lit cigarette.

2225. It's amazing. The barn's still here.

2226. Right above is actually where my little body

2227. was swinging back and forth.

2228. The swinging part was the scariest part for me

2229. because they had this harness on me inside my pants

2230. that were way too tight.

2231. I was absolutely afraid of heights.

2232. And I took this as an opportunity

2233. for me to just face that fear and say

2234. This feels good!

2235. Inside is where I so stupidly walked in.

2236. Amazing. That's where I was pitchforked.

2237. The stunt coordinator had hooked her up on a wire support

2238. to the rafters so she was already in position.

2239. The fork was actually a real pitchfork

2240. but had the two prongs in the center were collapsible,

2241. and the hard part was for me to not giggle

2242. while I was hanging there.

2243. Same thing for the one biker guy who Jason stabs.

2244. So we had to cut off the tangs in the back

2245. and that welded to a plate and put that on his back.

2246. We needed to get the impact of the pitchfork

2247. and then be certain that the handle

2248. was sticking at the direct point of the camera.

2249. I didn't put up a struggle.

2250. I didn't, you know I just said "Okay, it's my turn."

2251. I was a fairly good juggler before being cast in the movie,

2252. and originally they had asked us to do paddle balls.

2253. No matter how good you are,

2254. you can't get the ball to go into the camera.

2255. The ball goes like that.

2256. You can'tit won't go into the camera.

2257. So it just wasn't working with the paddle balls.

2258. Jeffrey could juggle a little bit,

2259. and I helped him get a little better

2260. and so me and Jeff did the juggling scene.

2261. Later in the film, it is revealed

2262. that Chris was attacked by Jason several years earlier.

2263. But for actress Dana Kimmell,

2264. the implication that her character may have been

2265. sexually violated by Jason simply went too far.

2266. He had a knife... and he attacked me with it!

2267. I came on the set and Dana and Steve

2268. were arguing about what the character should be like.

2269. Steve was insisting for a sort of daring girl

2270. and which she remained in the end.

2271. But Dana wanted someone that had a certain kind of purity.

2272. He ran after me.

2273. He caught me, and he pulled me down to the ground.

2274. As far as the monologue goes,

2275. I don't remember all the particulars that go with it,

2276. but I know I always wanted Chris to be portrayed

2277. as a very positive character.

2278. I don't know what happened after that,

2279. I just don't know!

2280. In fact, the revelation that she might have been violated

2281. was the most shocking

2282. because that scene was a sort of controversial scene.

2283. "Should we have it, should we not have it?"'

2284. At any rate, it was something that she won,

2285. so to speak.

2286. Dana Kimmell

2287. was and is the consummate professional,

2288. and she worked hard.

2289. I mean, certainly the movie had a bunch of goofy

2290. sexuality innuendo in it as it was,

2291. but I don't think it was hurt by that

2292. if that was indeed the case.

2293. The film's true defining moment saw the transformation

2294. of Jason Voorhees from slasher movie footnote

2295. into movie monster legend.

2296. And no one would ever look at a hockey mask

2297. the same way again.

2298. In "Friday the 13th Part 3,"

2299. Jason wears, for the very first time,

2300. a hockey mask which he has taken from Shelly.

2301. You just see Jason suddenly turn up in Shelly's hockey mask.

2302. So you know that, you know, Shelly's dead.

2303. He not only has the hockey mask,

2304. he has another mask that he actually wears

2305. earlier in the movie.

2306. He actually thought to bring two masks up to Crystal Lake,

2307. along with the spear gun and a wetsuit

2308. and I guess a change of clothes, all in this little bag

2309. What do you got in there?

2310. My whole world.

2311. This dock behind me,

2312. this is where the legend of Jason was born.

2313. This is the first time we saw him step out in the hockey mask.

2314. The birth of Jason.

2315. I was never a huge fan of the sack

2316. because I just felt like

2317. it didn't have any real substance to it,

2318. and we wanted something that would mask Jason.

2319. But at the same time, you know,

2320. it had to have a level of menace to it.

2321. Sam Winston made a latex mask.

2322. And that's what I wore all the way through the movie.

2323. For some unknown reason they didn't like the mask.

2324. They thought it looked too much like a monster,

2325. and so they came up with the idea to cover it

2326. with a hockey mask.

2327. I don't think at the time it really struck me,

2328. when I saw the hockey mask,

2329. that this was going to just go on and on

2330. to "Friday the 13th Part 11 and so on.

2331. But I can see why.

2332. It did kind of create this imposing, ominous character.

2333. I think the whole hockey mask thing was kind of a fluke.

2334. I'm not really sure how it came about.

2335. God, who came up with the hockey mask?

2336. I don't really know.

2337. My recollection was that, you know,

2338. multiple kinds of masks were brought around

2339. and so on and so forth,

2340. and then somebody brought the hockey mask and said,

2341. "Hockey mask, that's great."

2342. I think it was Frank that brought the mask.

2343. I'm sure it was Steven.

2344. I mean, he was really thoughtful and really knew that genre.

2345. The one thing that everybody likes to take credit for

2346. is who put the hockey mask on Jason.

2347. And I must admit, in modesty,

2348. that I put the hockey mask on Jason.

2349. Peter Schindler, Marty Becker

2350. and Marty Sadoff were all hockey fans...

2351. and it was their idea to come up with a hockey mask

2352. to cover the face up.

2353. Success has a lot of fathers,

2354. and everybody's willing to take a little bit of credit for it,

2355. I think, and maybe that's just the best.

2356. Once we had the mask, it was sort of said, "This is it.

2357. This is ourthis is our signature piece."

2358. It's part of the iconography of what this movie is,

2359. and so I wanted to make sure that we held onto that.

2360. With the look of its iconic character now fully realized,

2361. Jason could get back to doing what he does best.

2362. Hey, now cut that out right now. That's not funny!

2363. When that spear comes out in the audience,

2364. everybody is reflexively avoiding that.

2365. I mean, that was awesome.

2366. And there was a cable that was actually set up

2367. on the post that ran across

2368. to where she was standing,

2369. and I basically think,

2370. kind of was rigged in such a way

2371. that I actually hooked the gun onto the cable

2372. and shot it so it went straight down the cable.

2373. And then we made an acrylic plate that fit over her eyeball.

2374. We had to do it in one take

2375. because the minute I hit the water,

2376. the little prosthetic was kind of spongy,

2377. and it would absorb the water and just kind of slide off.

2378. But it was fun. It was really a lot of fun.

2379. How do we do it?

2380. Well, first we take our clothes off.

2381. For me, the most trying situation

2382. about making this movie was that I was a kid

2383. and this was the first movie I had ever done

2384. without my parent on the set.

2385. I was 18 and I had to do a shower scene

2386. where there was some frontal nudity.

2387. In the beginning, I might have been

2388. a little uncomfortable with it but all these years later,

2389. I think, 'Wow, I had a pretty nice body.'

2390. Jeffrey Rogers' part in the show

2391. was he came walking down the hallway on his hands,

2392. and he's basically wearing just a pair of jeans

2393. and then Jason shows up with a machete

2394. and basically splits him in half from the groin down

2395. through his chest.

2396. So he splits wide open.

2397. I mean, that is horrifically gory

2398. but it's classic Jason.

2399. And we did a body cast of him in pieces.

2400. They actually, in the house,

2401. built a Plexiglas floor that the camera was mounted down inside

2402. so we could do the shot through the floor,

2403. up to the ceiling.

2404. Then, of course, there's the next scene

2405. where Tracie Savage sees Jeffrey stuffed up in the rafters.

2406. Even actress Tracie Savage was unaware

2407. of just how closely her on- screen death

2408. resembled that of a certain famous, yet ill-fated, character

2409. from the original "Friday the 13th."

2410. I had no idea that Kevin Bacon and I have so much in common.

2411. Another six degree separation from Kevin Bacon.

2412. There you go.

2413. We died the same way?

2414. I was in makeup for 4 hours

2415. so that they could glue this torso to my neck.

2416. Then it was lighting for another 2-3 hours.

2417. All for a 3-second shot.

2418. And you had to get it right

2419. because then, if you don't, you gotta do it all over again.

2420. So we were all kind of on pins and needles.

2421. I think that line...

2422. We would have been there already

2423. if some people didn't have to go to the bathroom

2424. every five minutes.

2425. That's what happens when you're pregnant.

2426. was put in there just to make the teenage kids go... ooh.

2427. and then when I'm killed make it even more grisly and awful.

2428. This is a pregnant woman.

2429. There was never a death scene filmed for Shelly.

2430. It was always—that's exactly how it was in the script.

2431. I guess you're supposed to think, well,

2432. maybe he's joking again?

2433. Nice make-up job.

2434. Although obviously the audience knows he's not joking

2435. because they've seen Jason kill a bunch of people.

2436. I think I did the first take,

2437. and I think I heard some people chuckling.

2438. They were like - they were like, 'That's bad.'

2439. I was like— that all got into my head.

2440. It's not the greatest death scene in the world.

2441. Well, I don't know what's going on,

2442. but I'm gonna go outside and take a look around.

2443. I think my favorite kill was probably

2444. Rick getting his eye popped out.

2445. They did change the name of the character.

2446. In the original script it was Derek,

2447. and the reason why they changed it

2448. was at the end of the film when I go outside,

2449. and I get killed,

2450. and she comes out and starts yelling the name out,

2451. that they wanted a monosyllabic name for her to say.

2452. Rick?

2453. You know, of course,

2454. the death that my character experienced,

2455. me getting my head crushed,

2456. was I mean, this was, yeah, that's historic.

2457. I just remember when Paul's eyeball popped out,

2458. the whole audience just screamed at that one and it was like,

2459. Oh, that's great.

2460. Technically, it was very hard to do,

2461. and it was one of those things

2462. you only had one chance of doing it,

2463. especially the 3D effect.

2464. Well, in actuality we did the Paul Kratka head twice.

2465. I was actually playing with a bunch of stuff

2466. trying to figure out how to make and collapse the head properly.

2467. Anytime they wanted to, we could just pull the string

2468. and the eye would pop out of the socket

2469. and come straight down the line toward camera.

2470. The last part of the filming was basically Jason and Chris.

2471. And a lot of night shooting.

2472. She runs up the stairs, and I'm at the bottom of the stairs

2473. and she tips the bookcase up on top of me.

2474. And I have to say that hurt like hell.

2475. It's Dana who finds me in the closet later on

2476. with the knife sticking out of my neck

2477. after I've already been killed.

2478. It was an easy day. I didn't have to memorize any lines.

2479. When he's breaking down that door,

2480. and the whole thing where he gets stabbed in the hand

2481. and stabbed in the leg, those are intense moments.

2482. I mean, those grip you

2483. because then it becomes him not so much a monster

2484. as a human who has monstrous capabilities.

2485. And then I chased her up the stairs,

2486. and she went in through the bedroom window

2487. and went out the window.

2488. Then she tried to run away in the car,

2489. and the car ran out of gas on the bridge.

2490. No!

2491. I think I kept in shape doing that film.

2492. There were — there was a time or two

2493. where I was running through the woods

2494. right after the scene where he grabs me in the van,

2495. and, you know, breaks the window with his head,

2496. and I bolt out the other side.

2497. There's a place where I run and fall,

2498. and actually when I did that, I didn't get hurt

2499. but people in the cast— in the crew were just gasping

2500. because they thought I had really fallen

2501. and smacked my face.

2502. So that was good.

2503. When I went into the barn after her,

2504. you know, it was—Steve and l had obviously spoken about it,

2505. and Jason at this point is now really angry

2506. because he hasn't managed to do what he wanted to do

2507. and that was kill her.

2508. And so, he just said, you know,

2509. we don't need the barn anymore so just tear it up.

2510. So I grabbed whatever I could and smashed whatever I could.

2511. But then the scene in the barn on the beam,

2512. I actually did that and shimmied out

2513. and that was, you know, I don't know,

2514. 20 feet above the ground,

2515. and I ended up with some bruises from that one,

2516. but I turned out okay.

2517. Jason gets pushed out of the barn,

2518. and he's hanging and the mask has to come off,

2519. and she sees his face for the first time

2520. and recognizes who he is. - It's you!

2521. We had a mold of Richard Brooker's head,

2522. and we wanted the axe to be able to stick,

2523. so that's why we used the rigid polyfoam

2524. so the axe had something to stick into.

2525. There wasn't that much makeup until the dream sequence.

2526. I used to have to go in and do about 6,

2527. sometimes 7 hours of makeup.

2528. And it was 11 different appliances

2529. that they glued to my face,

2530. with the one eye lower down,

2531. you know, and certain teeth and the whole thing.

2532. It was awfully painful.

2533. I mean, he had to be in that make-up for like 6 hours,

2534. and it was hot and sweaty.

2535. And you could see that he was very uncomfortable.

2536. The bad part about it was that as soon as they finished,

2537. it was usually lunch time, and I couldn't eat.

2538. So they used to give me Tiger's Milk through a straw

2539. so I would get some nourishment for the day.

2540. We shot the ending twice.

2541. We actually did another ending.

2542. Dana Kimmell comes up to the door of the house in a dream,

2543. and Jason comes through the front door and decapitates her.

2544. And that was just an alternate ending

2545. that somewhere along the lines somebody came up with.

2546. It was a very quick thing.

2547. It wasn't something that, you know,

2548. we knew was going to happen in advance.

2549. It was just kind of one of those added scenes

2550. that they said let's just do this real quick.

2551. It was only when we did the infamous alternate ending

2552. that you really started to see his face

2553. and that's what they didn't like,

2554. and that's why the alternate ending

2555. was totally scrapped out of the movie.

2556. So we made the mask. We sculpted it.

2557. Then they came up with the new dream sequence

2558. that Jason's at the house,

2559. and she sees him at the top window

2560. and then comes down and blasts through the door.

2561. Steve Miner said that he wanted this creature

2562. to come out of the lake as if it was Mrs. Voorhees

2563. who had been down there for awhile.

2564. I have no idea how she got her body back,

2565. but it's a dream.

2566. They gave us Marilyn Poucher and just said,

2567. "She's your guinea pig. Use her."

2568. Little did she know what she was in for.

2569. Once we started doing the makeup,

2570. it took about 6 hours,

2571. and I remember just sort of like,

2572. falling asleep at certain times.

2573. It was just downright horrible

2574. because the water was just full of mosquito larvae

2575. and baby frogs and tadpoles.

2576. It was just like— oh, it was pretty nasty.

2577. Covered her in river slime and vinyl worms,

2578. and the rest is history.

2579. So this is the actual mask that was done of my skin.

2580. It's a little, a little— oh, here's a worm.

2581. Luckily they were able to cut it off,

2582. and we peeled it off

2583. because then I had to do the shot three more times.

2584. While not as deliberately ambiguous

2585. as the ending of "Part 2,"

2586. the film's conclusion suggests

2587. that the door has again been left open

2588. for the return of Jason.

2589. But what of the fate of traumatized Chris Higgins

2590. who was never seen or heard from again?

2591. I would say Chris has recovered.

2592. Even though she drove away looking like she was losing it

2593. there in the back of the cop car,

2594. I think that she was strong enough

2595. to recover and move on.

2596. And that's the way I wanted to portray that character,

2597. as a survivor, and I think Chris did that.

2598. A new dimension in terror.

2599. It will scare you!

2600. "Friday the 13th Part 3" was released on August 1 3, 1 982

2601. with Paramount spending millions of dollars

2602. to equip theaters with the new technology

2603. required to show the 3D film.

2604. Their investment quickly paid off

2605. when the film managed

2606. to knock the year's reigning box office champion,

2607. Steven Spielberg's "E.T.," from the #1 spot.

2608. With a final U.S. take of $36.7 million,

2609. "Friday the 13th Part 3"

2610. ushered in a new wave of 3D films in the 1980s.

2611. And remains one of the most profitable installments

2612. of the franchise.

2613. I believe the choice to do this in 3D

2614. was really risky but, in retrospect,

2615. it was brilliant.

2616. "Friday the 13th Part 3" was the first big hit 3D movie

2617. of the 80s and the audience was just screaming.

2618. And we made our money back

2619. before the first matinee show in Los Angeles.

2620. And I find that very rewarding,

2621. and it's been great being able to meet people

2622. that appreciate and have enjoyed those films

2623. from back then.

2624. Actress Tracie Savage went on to a successful career

2625. as a broadcast journalist.

2626. Best known for her coverage

2627. of the sensational OJ Simpson murder trial in 1995.

2628. As a news reporter

2629. in different markets all across the country,

2630. people knew where to find me.

2631. They'd see me on the air

2632. and every newsroom I've ever worked in,

2633. I've always gotten fan mail from "Friday the 13th" fans.

2634. And I still do. I still do.

2635. Part of the charm of the movies are, is that,

2636. you know, it really invited people to engage.

2637. It really invited people to go out, have fun.

2638. And when we did that film, at the time

2639. that was going to be the last "Friday the 13th."

2640. At the wrap party, Frank Mancuso declared

2641. that he was not going to produce another one.

2642. This is the permanent death.

2643. We're not going to do this again.

2644. This is it. He's dead.

2645. They really stressed the fact

2646. that they wanted to make sure that I had killed Jason

2647. because that was going to be it.

2648. because that was going to be it.

2649. When Paramount announced a fourth 'Friday the 13th"

2650. at the end of 1983,

2651. producer Frank Mancuso, Jr.

2652. was feeling the critical backlash

2653. against slasher films.

2654. And 'Friday the 13th" in particular.

2655. He decided it was time to kill off Jason

2656. once and for all.

2657. When we got done with 3,

2658. I was like, "Okay,

2659. what I want to do now is l really want to bring this thing

2660. to an effective close."

2661. With the departure of Steve Miner,

2662. Mancuso and investor Phil Scuderi

2663. set their sights on finding a new director.

2664. Their search led them to Joseph Zito,

2665. who had impressed Scuderi with his 1981 slasher film,

2666. "The Prowler."

2667. With an early draft of the script

2668. written by the late Bruce Hidemi Sakow,

2669. the filmmakers set out to make the best and "final" chapter.

2670. The people at Paramount said this to me.

2671. They weren't going to do any more films

2672. and this was the last.

2673. So I knew that it would be book ended

2674. with a dead Jason and another dead Jason,

2675. you know, at the end.

2676. We'll do some things that refer to our past.

2677. Jason's out there.

2678. We'll bring this thing to its rightful conclusion.

2679. Noooo!

2680. And we'll be done.

2681. So the idea for the last movie,

2682. which we thought "The Final Chapter" was,

2683. was just to resurrect Jason one more time

2684. and then kill him in a way where the film grammar

2685. said he's really dead.

2686. I wanted to pick it up exactly where Friday 3 left off.

2687. That he was on the ground just exactly where you had left him.

2688. We crane down on a bunch of police cars arriving,

2689. helicopter has a searchlight.

2690. You know, gives you kind of a big-budget feel

2691. and very dramatic opening.

2692. I held off Jason coming to life for a long time

2693. in the film.

2694. The audience is continuously on edge through these kind

2695. of languorous, elegant shots.

2696. When is Jason going to re-awaken?

2697. The audience certainly is not going to believe he's dead,

2698. but they become co-conspirators in bringing him to life.

2699. They start yelling at the screen for him to get up.

2700. So instead of groaning that he gets up too soon,

2701. and they say, aw, this is fake, they make him get up.

2702. As Jason's put into the freezer,

2703. we see a little puff of air so we get the first hint

2704. that Jason is not dead.

2705. Once again, the producers chose to recast the role of Jason.

2706. This time turning to a rough trade Hollywood veteran

2707. to don the hockey mask.

2708. Regarding the actor to play Jason,

2709. I wanted to go with a really experienced Hollywood stuntman

2710. and Ted White was a very—

2711. he had doubled famous, you know, Hollwood actors.

2712. He was an older guy, way older,

2713. twice the age, almost three times the age

2714. of some of the kids he was killing.

2715. I actually turned it down to begin with

2716. and later on I did accept it.

2717. After I accepted it, I did go down

2718. and rent two of the Jasons,

2719. and I watched Jason itself,

2720. how he moved and so forth.

2721. And I felt that I'd like to play him a little bit different.

2722. I'd like for him to move a little bit different.

2723. I didn't want that slow motion routine anymore,

2724. and I thought that if this is the final chapter,

2725. then that's the way I'd like to take it out.

2726. He has a sense of dramatic timing

2727. that other Jasons, you know, maybe didn't think about

2728. in the same way because they didn't have 40 years experience

2729. of being before the camera.

2730. There was a nurse there that I'm supposed to strangle,

2731. and when I shoved her up against the wall,

2732. she had a button on the back of her cap,

2733. and when her head hit the wall,

2734. the button kind of penetrated her head just a little bit,

2735. and she yelled out.

2736. These are the times when you back up

2737. and say you're not really Jason, you know.

2738. You're just doing a thing here.

2739. You're supposed to be making a few bucks and not hurt anybody.

2740. You know, this is not a guy who was waiting his whole life,

2741. he's not a fan of "Friday the 13th,"

2742. and someone who was waiting for the opportunity

2743. to be in 'Friday the 13th."

2744. It's a guy who came to work and had to put a mask on

2745. and had to put fake teeth in that made him drool

2746. and was embarrassed by the entire thing,

2747. was happy that you couldn't see his face.

2748. The job of creating the film's bloody make-up effects

2749. initially went to future Oscar winner Greg Cannom.

2750. But when Cannom left the project

2751. due to 'personality differences,'

2752. director Joe Zito called upon the one man

2753. who could rightfully be called Jason's father.

2754. It's almost like I'm Dr. Frankenstein.

2755. I created the monster.

2756. Thank you for letting me kill the monster, which I did.

2757. Tom Savini did a wonderful job, I thought, of makeup.

2758. And that was a 41 /2 hour makeup job every morning.

2759. I actually replaced a makeup artist

2760. on "The Final Chapter,"

2761. and luckily, that's what they were doing.

2762. They were designing the adult Jason

2763. from my makeup design on the kid,

2764. which is only logical I would think, you know,

2765. so I was glad they were doing it,

2766. but I had nothing to do with the design, you know.

2767. They did a very good job.

2768. It's funny that in all of our conversations

2769. about Jason coming back to life,

2770. nobody ever used the word zombie—ever.

2771. We never heard it.

2772. We knew you couldn't exactly kill him,

2773. and he would always be coming back to life.

2774. So it's sort of like he just wouldn't die.

2775. You can't be alive!

2776. After escaping from the morgue,

2777. Jason returns to his familiar slayground at Crystal Lake

2778. Where he quickly sets his sights on the Jarvis family.

2779. A recently divorced mother,

2780. a pretty-yet-reserved teenage daughter,

2781. and a very special boy named Tommy.

2782. I remember walking into the casting office

2783. and going "Friday the 13th? "

2784. I thought this was for "Halloween."

2785. and they were like, "No, no, no.

2786. It's 'Friday the 13th."

2787. And I was like, "Oh, right, of course. I knew that."

2788. Corey walked in there, and he was so alive,

2789. and so friendly and he and l, just we clicked.

2790. I went, I did my audition and then at the end of it,

2791. I remember my mom telling me like, "Okay,

2792. they really liked you a lot but they have some concerns."

2793. And I said, "What are the concerns? "

2794. And she said, 'Well, they just think you're too small,

2795. and, you know, it's not very believable

2796. that this little tiny kid

2797. is going to pick up the machete and, you know,

2798. whack the hell out of this 6 foot 5 bad guy.

2799. And I went, "Give me a machete. Let's give it a shot."

2800. And I think that was the end of it.

2801. You could see with Corey. You really could.

2802. This young man was going to skyrocket.

2803. And I remember it was a very big deal

2804. because "Gremlins" and "Friday" were both coming out

2805. pretty much over the same summer,

2806. within a couple weeks of each other

2807. from what I remember,

2808. so that was very exciting as a kid

2809. to have these two giant blockbusters coming out.

2810. I think Kimberly and Corey and l got along well

2811. because they're just nice people.

2812. A Jarvis Sandwich!

2813. I did a lot of work about the parents being divorced

2814. and then I was going to protect my brother,

2815. that I would take care of him emotionally,

2816. and that, you know, we were going to make it as a family

2817. without my dad.

2818. My parents are separated. You know, middle-aged crazies.

2819. And I do remember her doing a lot of, kind of,

2820. Iooking after me, making sure that I was taken care of.

2821. She was kind of the person

2822. that I think I could probably relate to most.

2823. I at least felt that it was a real connection.

2824. As much as I could bring to that role,

2825. I wanted to bring to it.

2826. There was thought about making

2827. the surviving characters outsiders.

2828. So Trish isn't really one of the guys.

2829. She's an outsider.

2830. She's not ready to become part of the party,

2831. or the party doesn't want her.

2832. Tommy's an outsider, like Jason.

2833. Tommy's a kid that doesn't fit in.

2834. I argue that one of the reasons Tommy Jarvis

2835. has been as popular as he's been

2836. is because that was a very relatable character

2837. to the core audience in these movies

2838. that they could very easily see themselves in

2839. and ultimately sort of the challenges that he has,

2840. the kind of outsider kid who's a little bit freaky.

2841. He's got hobbies that maybe not everybody approves of per se.

2842. At a roadside cemetery, the gravesite of Mrs. Voorhees,

2843. and her first name, are revealed for the first time ever.

2844. I found out her name was Pamela,

2845. I guess about 10 years after I did the film.

2846. I didn't know.

2847. Of course we were aware putting a mother character in the film

2848. that fans who knew "Part 1 " would think about that.

2849. That idea of Joe giving me a hint

2850. that maybe I should look sinister

2851. when I looked out the window

2852. because of the mother being the one

2853. that did the killing in one of the other movies.

2854. Never occurred to me.

2855. Never occurred to Joe, I don't think,

2856. or he certainly didn't tell me that.

2857. We didn't play it hard, and we didn't try to suggest

2858. that she was going to be a villain,

2859. but she does make a judgment on these kids,

2860. and it feels like these kids are going to bring

2861. trouble and bad stuff onto my kids.

2862. And, of course, she's completely right.

2863. With the events of "The Final Chapter"

2864. picking up directly after PART 2 and 3,

2865. fans have pointed out a number of holes

2866. in the series' continuity and timeline.

2867. My character, Rob, had a sister named Sandra

2868. who was a counselor at Crystal Lake

2869. in Part 2, I think.

2870. My sister Sandra was just a really great kid.

2871. But the man that killed your sister is dead.

2872. We butt up against Friday 3 in chronology,

2873. yet Rob is doing some stuff that he hasn't been doing

2874. since just a couple of days ago.

2875. When I read it,

2876. I did not connect that character

2877. with someone who had died the same day

2878. or the day before or a few days before.

2879. So I assumed Rob had been searching

2880. for a longer time than it turns out he was actually searching.

2881. What are you hunting for up here?

2882. Bear. Anybody up at the lake today?

2883. You can't be hunting for bear.

2884. Zito said he didn't want to invent really cool new ways

2885. to kill kids, although we eventually did.

2886. He said, "All I want you to do

2887. is make real kids that look like real kids

2888. and whatever we do to them will be horrifying."

2889. It would be nice to make them so likeable

2890. that you were sorry when they got killed.

2891. I wanted the kids to be a little more real,

2892. and it took a lot of pain in casting for that.

2893. It was not an easy piece to bring in "the names."

2894. That's not what 'Friday the 13th' was about.

2895. I got lucky.

2896. The people who were really the stars

2897. were Peter Barton who had just come off a series

2898. called "Powers of Matthew Star."

2899. and the other one was Lawrence Monoson

2900. who had starred in "The Last American Virgin."

2901. I've been lucky in the sense

2902. that I've had certain roles throughout my career,

2903. part of these legacy franchises,

2904. and this is certainly one of them,

2905. and it's nice to be a little part of a big thing.

2906. Arguably one of the most memorable victims

2907. in the 'Friday the 13th' series

2908. was Crispin Glover's sex-starved,

2909. yet hopelessly insecure, Jimmy.

2910. The film marked the beginning of a long career

2911. for the young artist,

2912. who became known for his wildly eccentric behavior,

2913. both on and off camera.

2914. Crispin Glover and l had a love fest.

2915. I adored him.

2916. He was the most unique young man that...

2917. he just really—you couldn't pigeonhole him at all.

2918. On the set, he was always the oddball.

2919. He was always the one that kept to himself.

2920. He was always the one that was kind of like

2921. in his own little world.

2922. He's an eccentric. He's mysterious.

2923. But he just walks to the beat of a different drum.

2924. Crispin and I actually worked really hard on our characters

2925. and the relationship.

2926. And we both loved improv.

2927. He thinks that's funny.

2928. He thinks it's a funny thing he's doing.

2929. And that stuff in the back of the van

2930. when we're all driving, and I'm typing on the beer cans

2931. and the "dead fuck" lines.

2932. It says you're a dead fuck.

2933. A dead fuck?

2934. Crispin and I made all that up, you know,

2935. and they just let us have fun with it.

2936. The two of them together really had a great thing going,

2937. a really good rapport.

2938. I think you should run that through your little computer.

2939. And they were pretty good buddies on that set

2940. and it did show.

2941. It showed a relationship.

2942. I think that's so important in these films

2943. to have that.

2944. In one of the film's more memorable sequences,

2945. Jimmy decides to bust out his dance moves.

2946. I don't remember what song Crispin was really dancing to.

2947. I just know that he was dancing really crazy.

2948. In the way that only Crispin could be.

2949. And it was just fun. It was just really fun and funny.

2950. There's slightly the weirdest thing about our roles

2951. which would first be the sexy girls

2952. who were sort of coming, you know, from,

2953. to join in with this other group of people,

2954. and all the boys are madly attracted to us,

2955. and we're dressed in these ghastly clothes!

2956. Well, what about our hair as well.

2957. Our hair put up in sort of little sort of librarian buns.

2958. I mean, and the pants seemed to be too big.

2959. Everything was just sort of big and bulky and very unsexy.

2960. Yeah, I wouldn't bonk either of us.

2961. The twins, you know, they were the Doublemint twins

2962. and they were loads of fun.

2963. The biggest thing for me was boobies!

2964. You know, I was an 11 -year-old boy.

2965. I'm like, I get to do scenes with boobies.

2966. Whoa.

2967. Not much has changed.

2968. I have to say the skinny dipping was very equal

2969. because when we were shooting it,

2970. we obviously as girls had to have no tops on,

2971. but then the boys go,

2972. 'We'll do it with no bottoms on as well,'

2973. and there they are swinging off ropes.

2974. So, you know, it was a cute group

2975. to work with, that's for sure.

2976. At the time, I was the kid who was like

2977. always wanting to get up in everybody's business.

2978. I was like, "Hey, let's all go out.

2979. Let's go do this.

2980. What do you mean you're all going to town without me?

2981. Why can't I come too? "

2982. I mean, like, I really wanted to be a part of that group.

2983. The first day was Halloween actually,

2984. and I took him trick-or- treating.

2985. And we went out on the street,

2986. and this street was like a festival

2987. of guys in Jason's masks.

2988. So ironic that we were there actually creating this stuff

2989. and then this group of people

2990. were actually out there having a great time with it.

2991. I think everybody was very sweet to Corey Feldman.

2992. I remember getting along with everybody on that set.

2993. The only person that I didn't get along with

2994. or was afraid of was Ted White.

2995. Mean little devil. I couldn't stand him.

2996. I wanted to kill him desperately.

2997. There were times when Corey got close to me

2998. that it took all my reserve to not just reach out

2999. and grab him and give him a good spanking.

3000. Ted was very respectful when it came to the fact

3001. that I was a kid, and he knew to keep his boundaries.

3002. But at the same time

3003. I don't think that he was really very aware

3004. of how to deal with children.

3005. Well, I was a child actor

3006. so I had a lot in common with him.

3007. It's a hard, a hard thing, a lot of your... I mean,

3008. you miss a lot of your childhood.

3009. You could see there was a dark side to Corey.

3010. Not bad but wanting to stay with the actors

3011. as opposed to getting in the car and going home

3012. to the so-called "real life" that he was living.

3013. Frank Mancuso, Jr. was quite helpful keeping him together

3014. and happy.

3015. Even after the movies, you know, Frank,

3016. we all stayed in touch with Corey.

3017. As with Part 3, the filmmakers chose rural areas

3018. of Southern California to stand in

3019. for the fictional New Jersey enclave of Crystal Lake.

3020. We shot in three different places,

3021. Franklin Canyon in Beverly Hills,

3022. north of Santa Barbara in a place called Zaca Lake,

3023. and in Topanga Canyon.

3024. The Jarvis house would later be featured

3025. in such films as "Eraser,"My Girl 2,"

3026. and episodes of the HBO series "Entourage."

3027. But for the cast of "The Final Chapter,"

3028. working on the set presented a number of physical challenges.

3029. And we're at the house where we shot the movie.

3030. Tommy's room was up there on the second floor.

3031. And the kids' house is over here, right?

3032. The kids' house was right over here.

3033. We built the kids' house, the house where they have the party,

3034. and the house where they get killed, right over here.

3035. It was my idea, and I don't mind telling you

3036. the studio objected a lot

3037. to have the houses in real proximity.

3038. See, the thing is when we built this other house,

3039. it was an expensive thing to do,

3040. building a house as opposed to finding two houses,

3041. but we really loved the Jarvis house.

3042. I really loved the Jarvis house, and I really pushed for it.

3043. So the studio agreed to build this other house here.

3044. But the thing is that we had a design for it

3045. where it was a really good house to shoot in, a big house,

3046. but as they started doing the numbers

3047. and analyzing the numbers,

3048. the house got smaller and smaller

3049. so in the end it wasn't a great house to shoot in,

3050. but it was a cool-looking house.

3051. The young people we had in the cast

3052. were some of the greatest kids that I've ever worked with,

3053. and I've worked with a lot of young kids in the business.

3054. But what they went through to make this movie

3055. was unbelievable.

3056. Shooting the movie was pretty horrible

3057. because it was raining the whole time,

3058. and it was freezing cold because it was dead winter.

3059. I didn't read the script when I got the job,

3060. and I didn't read the last 40 pages of the script

3061. said night rain.

3062. What the hell are you doing here?

3063. What are you trying to do, kill me?

3064. What I remember the most about those steps right there

3065. is that for continuity's sake

3066. at the end of the movie, I had to be wet

3067. because it was raining all the time,

3068. so in 35-degree weather,

3069. I was hosed down with water from a tank

3070. that was sitting outside in 35-degree weather.

3071. Just unbelievable what they went through

3072. for the amount of money they were making.

3073. It was, it was a trial in a good way.

3074. I felt like a Marine after it was over.

3075. Once again, the real stars of this 'Friday the 13th"

3076. were the elaborate death sequences

3077. designed by effects wunderkind Tom Savini.

3078. I had done a movie called "The Prowler."

3079. It was mostly a lot of special effects,

3080. really good Tom Savini special effects.

3081. I think that's what audiences came to see.

3082. How is the next guy going to get it?

3083. So that's what it was about.

3084. And it was almost like the latest exhibit

3085. from your favorite makeup artist magician.

3086. How is Jason going to kill these kids?

3087. So we spent a lot of time talking about

3088. how to kill people in interesting ways.

3089. And that's the number one thing you do with Savini

3090. because it's his favorite thing in the world to do,

3091. is talk about how to kill things.

3092. This just kind of crazy mind that was always creating.

3093. It was a terrific honor to work with Tom

3094. and especially to be a part

3095. of one of hi