Matt Walsh goes deep undercover in the world of diversity, equity, and inclusion. Prepare to be shocked by how far race hustlers will go and how much further Matt Walsh will go to expose the grift, uncovering absurdities that will leave you laughing....
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131. Because if you're not going
to confront them, who is?
132. When is the right age
to talk to our kids
133. about their racism?
134. Before they can talk.
135. I mean it. I...
136. So my six-month-old baby,
I used...
137. Why the hell not?
Why the hell not?
138. My six-month-old...
139. And honestly, they've gone
through six months of life,
140. I've never talked to them
about racism.
141. So my daughter's
four years old.
142. I am an anti-racist educator,
quote-unquote.
143. She's still watching
Disney movies,
144. and she is choosing
a white princess over
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and she is choosing
a white princess over
145. princesses of color.
146. Have you talked to her
about that?
147. All the time.
148. My three-year-old daughter
is very...
149. Her favorite princess
is Moana.
150. - Love it.
- It's a good sign.
151. - Yeah.
- But then I also thought,
152. you know, it's a little bit of
cultural appropriation here.
153. She wants to be Moana
for Halloween.
154. Mm-hmm.
155. So, how do we navigate that?
156. Do I go and buy
157. the Pacific Islander
native attire
158. for my white three-year-old?
159. Um, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't.
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Um, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't.
160. But I guess, what we might
call the Moana problem here
161. is what, uh, on one hand,
is cultural appropriation.
162. On the other hand,
163. there's gravitating
towards white characters.
164. - Right.
- So it's almost like
165. no matter which way you go,
166. - you end up back...
- Right.
167. in racism.
168. We think every space
belongs to us
169. because we live in
a white supremacist society.
170. Is America
an inherently racist country?
171. I think the word "inherent"
is challenging there.
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I think the word "inherent"
is challenging there.
172. - If we say...
- Fundamentally.
173. Fundamentally, yes.
174. America is racist
to its bones.
175. - All of the...
- So, inherently.
176. Yeah.
177. Just to put it
as bluntly as possible,
178. am I racist?
179. Every white person in America
has grown up in a country
180. where race and racism make up
the fabric of our society.
181. So I don't think anyone
moves through this world
182. with a non-bias,
non-racist world view.
183. So the answer's yes,
I am racist.
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So the answer's yes,
I am racist.
184. You said it
185. What do you recommend
to people for resources
186. if they're just starting
on their anti-racist path?
187. Go to the bookstore
188. if you're not reading
these books.
189. And then applying
what you've learned,
190. taking what you read about
and saying,
191. "Hey, racist uncle,
192. "I think we should
talk about this."
193. That you're no good.
194. I've never, uh, confronted
my own racist uncle.
195. I haven't confronted him.
196. But it's not ever too late.
197. No.
198. No.
199. Sometimes it means
having the conversation
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Sometimes it means
having the conversation
200. that you've been knowing
in your heart,
201. you've been putting off
for years.
202. Hmm.
203. If Kate Slater's right, then
it's all worse than I thought.
283. Everyone, please check out
her book, White Fragility.
284. Everyone else
in the world has.
285. White Fragility,
which is, in many cases,
286. the Bible for white people...
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the Bible for white people...
287. This is the book
that we'll be reading.
288. - White Fragility.
- Crucial and seminal book.
289. New York Times
best-selling list
290. for the third year.
291. "Racism is the norm
rather than an aberration.
292. "Anti-Blackness
is foundational
293. "to our very identities
as white people."
294. As a white person,
295. I was just raised to expect
the world to be mine.
296. That's how difficult we are.
297. Wow.
298. That's how big, uh,
a-holes we are.
299. Yeah.
300. "White identity
is inherently racist.
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"White identity
is inherently racist.
301. "White people do not exist
302. "outside the system
of white supremacy."
303. When we say "I'm not racist,"
what we're conveying
304. is that we're clueless
about what racism is.
305. And I would just ask
white Americans
306. to remove that phrase
from their vocabulary.
307. "I'm not racist."
308. "Anger,
fear, and guilts,
309. "and behavior
such as argumentation silence
310. "and withdrawal.
These responses work to
311. "maintain our dominance
within the racial hierarchy.
312. "I conceptualize this process
as white fragility."
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"I conceptualize this process
as white fragility."
313. Robin DiAngelo was right.
314. Coming to terms
with my whiteness
315. was not going to be easy.
316. Fortunately,
I found a support group
317. that can help me
with my white privilege,
318. run by an anti-racist expert
who specializes in grief.
319. Her fee was $30,000
to host this workshop,
320. so, obviously,
she must be the best.
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321. But I'm worried that,
as a well-known conservative,
322. the support group may not
welcome me into their fold.
323. Maybe I'll use
a different name
324. to help me blend in.
325. Whatever it takes
to continue this journey.
326. All right.
So, typically, I like
327. to open up the space
with a brief meditation,
328. so if you feel comfortable,
329. please ground yourself
in your seats.
330. Close your eyes
331. and just allow yourself to be
fully present in the space.
332. Whatever that means.
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360. you know, I'll have
to get back to you on that.
361. Um, I'm feeling
excited, uh, nervous.
362. Mm-hmm.
363. Uh, present.
364. A little hungry.
But...
365. The strangest compliment
I've ever gotten
366. is I've been complimented, uh,
367. on the number of Black friends
that I have...
368. Hmm.
in the past.
369. So, it's 17, um...
370. it's a number,
but, you know...
371. Sometimes it comes up,
but, um...
372. That's what people
have said, so...
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373. Hmm.
374. Thank you, everybody,
375. for being willing
to participate
376. and for, first and foremost,
being here.
377. We will not
end systemic racism.
378. It is not possible for us
to dismantle a system
379. that has been around
for 400 years,
380. and has effectively
and efficiently
381. destroyed the lives
of millions of people.
382. You all have been
grandfathered into the system.
383. We are here to focus on you
384. and your experience
and your grief
385. because that is the source
386. of downstream anti-Blackness
and racism.
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of downstream anti-Blackness
and racism.
387. And quite frankly,
I pray to God
388. you all feel
this uncomfortable.
389. I will be so happy if you all
feel extremely uncomfortable,
390. if you are truly looking
at what white supremacy
391. has done to not only, um,
392. African Americans,
but to yourselves.
393. You are here to sit
amidst whatever suffering
394. and pain you are experiencing
395. for the sake
of the liberation of others.
396. That is love.
397. I don't know
if any of you grew up
398. with a Christian background.
I did.
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with a Christian background.
I did.
399. Uh...
400. But love is also not always
patient and kind.
401. When we are talking
about systemic oppression,
402. and the role that we are
playing to mitigate it,
403. patience is not needed.
404. People are dying.
405. Kindness is not
what is called for.
406. We are here
to talk about the fact
407. that Black Americans
are not safe.
408. If I'm going
to be quite frank,
409. when I do this work,
and these types of circles,
410. I'm not safe.
411. But I do them
out of necessity.
412. Why are you...
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413. Why are you not safe
in the circle?
414. Being an African American
415. in primarily white spaces
is not safe for me mentally
416. or emotionally.
417. We will go into more depth
about that,
418. but I appreciate
that question.
419. These topics may be difficult,
and at times,
420. you may feel overcome
by emotions. That's okay.
421. There is a room to the left.
422. If you find
that your emotions are, um,
423. interfering with
the group process,
424. I kindly ask you
to step aside.
425. Um, so can we start with you?
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Um, so can we start with you?
426. I'm here because...
427. I feel like I've been
socialized to be an asshole,
428. and that doesn't feel good.
429. And my promise
to the Black community
430. is to lean into
431. being brave and uncomfortable,
432. and to love
in inconvenient ways.
433. Thank you.
434. Well, I'm here
on a journey towards
435. a brighter future,
uh, for myself
436. and for, you know,
hopefully, the world.
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and for, you know,
hopefully, the world.
437. My promise to myself is love.
438. To love myself.
439. Which is so important,
440. and I've struggled so much
with that.
441. I've struggled so much with it
442. in my life, to find myself.
Um...
443. My promise
to the Black communities...
444. to be so much better.
445. So much better
than I have been to them.
446. To be better
in so many better ways.
447. To better myself.
To better the world.
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To better myself.
To better the world.
448. And I know
that I haven't been better.
449. I haven't been.
450. But I'm going to be.
451. That's my promise.
452. Thank you.
453. Oh.
454. I am here with the intention
455. to understand
456. and learn and, um...
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and learn and, um...
457. - dig a little bit into...
- I'm sorry, can I...
458. I forgot one other thing
I wanted to promise
459. - the Black community.
- Um...
460. It's really important
that we don't interrupt
461. each other during the group.
462. - Oh, I'm sorry.
- But I appreciate...
463. I have one other promise
for the Black...
464. - We can circle back around.
- Thank you.
465. Are we going
to circle back around?
466. No. No. Uh...
467. Other things will come up.
That's part of the process.
468. But I want to be very sure
469. that we respect
everybody's time.
470. Okay. I didn't want someone
else to take my promise
471. to the Black community
that I was gonna make.
472. Well, thank you.
Please continue.
473. The promise
that I am making to myself
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The promise
that I am making to myself
474. is to be elastic.
475. To use my voice
and my privilege,
476. to be heard.
477. Uh, to...
478. That's what
I was gonna say, but...
479. - Please allow her to finish.
- Sorry.
480. If we think about
the construction of whiteness
481. as an identity,
482. it makes sense that the seeds
of white supremacy
483. are buried
within your subconscious,
484. whether or not you realize it,
and without your consent.
485. It is often uncommon
for white Americans
486. to be aware
of their privilege,
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to be aware
of their privilege,
487. let alone how it's functioning
on a day-to-day basis.
488. You said, a moment ago...
489. - Um, there'll be an oppor...
- Can I say something?
490. Uh, yes. Ask a question.
491. You said, a moment ago,
492. that the seeds
of white supremacy
493. - are in all of us.
- Yes.
494. How do we get them out?
495. That's what
the presentation...
496. We're going through the
presentation to discuss that.
497. If there is
another interruption,
498. I'm going to
have to respectfully ask you
499. to step out and go to
the second room to the left.
500. But next time, I am gonna have
to ask you to leave, okay?
501. Leave for good?
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502. Just until you're able
to rejoin the group
503. and participate
without interruption.
504. - Yeah?
- That's fair.
505. Okay. Thank you.
506. White supremacy has
essentially created a system
507. driven by grief,
508. and that is why
we are here to discuss
509. white grief in particular.
510. I would like you
to close your eyes
511. and spend the next 30 seconds
512. thinking about,
513. what does that loss feel like
in your body?
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what does that loss feel like
in your body?
514. It feels like
a thousand knives
515. plunging into my soul.
516. And a sack being...
517. hit by bats and bricks.
518. And the whole sack
is thrown into the ocean.
519. Thank you.
520. That's what it feels like.
521. And it's very... it's...
522. - Oh, um...
- What?
523. We're moving to her now.
524. I... I didn't finish.
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I... I didn't finish.
525. Please finish.
526. Um...
527. The sack's thrown
into the ocean,
528. then the sack's taken out,
529. and it's set on fire.
530. - Thank you.
- That's what it feels like.
531. I have spent a lot of time
in primarily white spaces.
532. For better or worse.
So...
533. And that has come with a cost.
534. How long will it take until
535. the next microaggression
comes up?
536. These are things
that I carry every time
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These are things
that I carry every time
537. I am in a room
with primarily white people.
538. You're safe here.
539. I think I speak for all of us
when I say,
540. in this room...
541. I...
542. - One more interruption...
- White folks.
543. I'm gonna have to
ask you to step out again.
544. Okay. I just wanted
to reassure you.
545. Thank you.
I appreciate that.
546. - I just want to.
- Thanks.
547. So, what do you feel
in your body
548. when you hear
the term "white people"?
549. I feel, like, a cringe
about it.
550. "Cringe" is a good word.
551. - Cringe? Yeah?
- I couldn't pick a word,
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- Cringe? Yeah?
- I couldn't pick a word,
552. - but that's a very good one.
- Okay.
553. As soon as you asked
the question, I felt,
554. inside, like a gut...
555. a little bit of a poke. "Ugh."
556. And I think
it's for all of the reasons,
557. - but also a little anger...
- Mm-hmm.
558. at whiteness
as, um, that lie.
559. Just, "ugh!"
560. Mm-hmm. Thank you.
561. The thing about...
562. I'm gonna step out
for a moment.
563. Thank you. Appreciate that.
564. The thing about...
565. Which one
is the cry room?
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Which one
is the cry room?
566. The second door to the left.
567. Thank you.
568. My time in the cry room
569. allowed me some much-needed
reflection and self-care,
570. but with me out of the room,
571. the group put two and two
together and realized
572. who I actually was.
573. Not a guy named Steven.
574. When I finally returned,
575. things were
drastically different.
576. When I do this work,
the, uh, white participants
577. in the group feel that there's
something in themselves
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in the group feel that there's
something in themselves
578. that they have to overcome.
579. When all that's
580. being requested of you...
581. is that you be.
582. - Hello.
- Hi.
583. How are you?
584. - Sorry about that.
- Oh, no problem.
585. - You good?
- Yeah.
586. Remind me of your name again?
587. Uh... Uh, Steven.
588. Steven? Yeah? Okay.
589. Um...
590. - Did you want to come up?
- Come up?
591. Yeah. Do you wanna come up
and share anything?
592. Sure.
What do you want me to share?
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Sure.
What do you want me to share?
593. Whatever's on your mind.
594. I just want to know that,
like, my physical safety
595. and yours and everybody else's
here is okay.
596. Why would your physical safety
not be okay?
597. Did I miss something?
598. I don't feel comfortable.
599. What... Can you guys
600. catch me up to speed
on what's going on here?
601. You don't need
to be caught up.
602. We're gonna be silent.
603. Is it because I said
I had 17 Black friends?
604. It might have been 15. I...
605. It depends
on how you count them.
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606. I would really appreciate it
if you left,
607. so that the people
who actually want to be here
608. and deserve to be here
can get what they need.
609. - I do want to be here.
- Can you please leave?
610. I would like it if you left.
611. I'm trying to learn.
I'm on this journey.
612. Come with me.
613. - Well...
- Thank you.
614. I didn't... I didn't consent
to be touched.
615. I'm not offering to touch you.
616. I'm offering to walk you out.
617. Will you walk with me, and
I'll answer your questions?
618. Okay. I'll admit it.
619. I'll admit it.
My name's not Steven.
620. Hmm.
621. Maybe you already knew that.
622. My name is Matt Walsh.
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My name is Matt Walsh.
623. - Mm-hmm
- Mm-hmm. We know.
624. I just was here on this...
625. on this journey
that I'm just starting, but...
626. I see that I'm not wanted.
627. If you were on your journey,
628. then you would've told us
who you were
629. and your real name,
but you didn't.
630. - Please leave.
- Are you saying
631. I need a better disguise?
Is that what you...
632. I don't know. Maybe.
633. But you can figure that out
as you walk out the door.
634. How did you get in here?
635. We all had an invitation.
636. - Maybe.
- Yeah. Maybe.
637. Thank you so much.
638. I really had a transformative
experience myself.
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I really had a transformative
experience myself.
639. And my pronouns are he/him.
640. I did everything I could
to fit in.
641. I opened up.
642. I was raw and emotional.
643. I told them
about my Black friends.
644. It was no use.
They rejected me.
645. And they called the police.
646. My mere presence in the room
caused them pain.
883. I'm sorry. I just didn't
look that direction.
884. Sounds like you're
in the habit of overlooking
885. marginalized communities.
886. Brother.
887. You are an American.
I love you.
888. I'm sorry for what happened
in the past. I really am.
889. Let's just sign it
and move on.
890. You don't have an opinion,
but you'll sign it anyway?
891. If that's what you'd
like me to, I can help.
892. - I would like you to.
- I can help you guys out.
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- I would like you to.
- I can help you guys out.
893. Yeah. Thank you so much.
894. - Sign here?
- Yes. Absolutely.
895. I think it's a beautiful idea.
896. You think
it's a beautiful idea?
897. I do.
898. We've got an encouraging
number of signatures so far.
899. We have a petition for the...
900. to redress
historical inequities.
901. Would you mind signing it?
902. You will?
903. Uh, we want to rename the
George Washington Monument
904. to the George Floyd Monument.
905. Thank you so much.
906. Would you be willing to?
907. I can't agree with that.
908. - Will you sign it?
- No.
909. So are you gonna
erase all of them?
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So are you gonna
erase all of them?
910. Yes.
911. No.
912. - Can you sign it anyway?
- Nope.
913. Getting people to agree
914. to change
the George Washington Monument
915. to the George Floyd Monument
seemed ambitious.
916. I'm pleasantly surprised
917. people are willing to erase
our problematic history.
918. I spend
way too much time cleaning.
919. Oh,
the broom shaka lakas
920. for more than just...
921. It's come
with a full 60-day...
922. There's a
controversial documentary out
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There's a
controversial documentary out
923. entitled Destructing Karen.
924. How many
of you would trade places
925. with a Black person
in this society?
926. Raise your hand.
927. Today,
on an all-new Dr. Phil,
928. Regina Jackson and Saira Rao.
929. Now, they are co-founders
of Race 2 Dinner.
930. What did you expect
at these dinners?
931. Basically, exactly what
we expect is what we get.
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Basically, exactly what
we expect is what we get.
932. Some women are ready
to do the work.
933. But pretty much when they come
to the dinners,
934. "It's not me. I'm not racist."
935. Hold on a minute.
936. I've heard of
these ladies before.
937. Race 2 Dinner is a thing
that they do, uh...
938. Basically, this book
is saying, like,
939. "We need to stop
being nice about racism."
940. Stop being nice
about racism?
941. What a concept!
942. Apparently, you just pay these
ladies thousands of dollars
943. to come over for dinner
and call you racist.
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944. It's genius!
945. I absolutely need to attend
one of these dinners.
946. But there's a big problem.
947. Only white women
are allowed to attend.
948. Why do white women
get to have all the fun?
949. I need to find another way
to earn a seat at the table.
955. Generally, we will have
the host just set up a room,
956. you know, with lots of tissue
957. and everything...
958. so you can go in there
and sob your heart out.
959. When a white woman
starts crying,
960. it draws all the attention
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it draws all the attention
961. - from the room...
- Yeah.
962. onto that poor,
963. - white woman.
- Yeah.
964. Even the language of whiteness
softens everything.
965. White fragility,
so what that is, is...
966. And by the way, a white woman,
967. you know, your hero,
Robin DiAngelo,
968. coined that term,
969. and it's for when people...
970. when Black and brown people
talk about racism
971. and then white people
get upset, you know, angry,
972. and then
deflect the conversation.
973. By not wanting
to address your racism
974. and your white supremacy,
975. that is upholding
white supremacy.
976. That is not fragile. So just
think about how even language
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That is not fragile. So just
think about how even language
977. to describe
your violent behavior
978. is couched in ways
to make you all seem delicate.
979. And to make
you comfortable.
980. So...
981. tell us one instance
982. that your racism
has shown up recently.
983. And that's either something
984. - you did...
- Didn't do.
985. thought or an action.
986. So, my husband's Black,
987. so it can be an everyday
white supremacist thing.
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so it can be an everyday
white supremacist thing.
988. Like, if I'm out in public,
989. and he's, like, really loud
or something
990. and I'll shush him.
991. Why do you do that?
992. Uh, usually because
we're in a space
993. that I think should be quiet,
which is probably
994. my white supremacy talking.
995. So, that's basically
tone policing
996. - a Black person...
- Mm-hmm.
997. who happens
to be your husband.
998. - Yeah.
- Okay. Who's next?
999. This one mom
starts going on about
1000. how her white son
is so screwed.
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how her white son
is so screwed.
1001. Been rejected here,
and "white boy, white boy."
1002. All right, white entitlement,
white centering,
1003. tone policing, white silence.
1004. White women owned slaves.
1005. Period. That's what it is.
1006. Let's be clear what's
happening in this country.
1007. - It's Nazism.
- Yeah.
1008. Republicans are Nazis.
1009. I assume it sounds like
everyone here
1010. is probably not a Republican.
I might be wrong.
1011. Am I wrong about the...
1012. Is there any Republican
at this table?
1013. You cannot separate yourselves
1014. from the bad white people.
1015. The proliferation of guns
has happened
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The proliferation of guns
has happened
1016. every time whites
feel terrified
1017. of Black and brown people,
1018. which is literally
every 10 seconds,
1019. but also, um, when
there's an event like Obama.
1020. Like Ferguson. Like 9/11.
1021. Like COVID-19.
Like George Floyd. Thank you.
1022. Um...
1023. You've been killing all of us, right?
1024. Primarily Black folks,
and we're just right behind.
1025. Right? There's the hierarchy.
1026. Whiteness is even
more insidious than I...
1027. than I even knew
even a year ago.
1028. And whiteness also robs you
of your brain.
1029. You know, you all have gave up
1030. your reproductive
health rights without...
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your reproductive
health rights without...
1031. You wouldn't even
get off your Peloton bike
1032. for 10 minutes
to go protest that.
1033. Did you want
a second roll?
1034. No, thank you.
Oh, okay. I'm good.
1035. Black people know
1036. that white people believe
they need their guns
1037. to protect yourselves from us.
1038. We've decided that it's okay
for the Second Amendment,
1039. which is literally synonymous
with white supremacy,
1040. to be our bible.
1041. You want some?
1042. This is what anti-racism is.
1043. It's actually
what anti-whiteness is.
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1044. - It has to burn.
- Mm-hmm.
1045. The entire system has to burn.
1046. And I'm not looking to you
to save this country.
1047. This country
is not worth saving.
1048. This country
is a piece of shit.
1049. Oh, my goodness!
1050. Oh, sorry.
1051. Um, but yes.
1052. Uh, aren't you all tired of
living like this? Seriously.
1053. I mean, I used
to be a white woman.
1054. An unsuccessful one...
1055. for many decades.
1056. And it was
a miserable experience.
1057. And really, the... the...
the hatred of yourselves
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And really, the... the...
the hatred of yourselves
1058. and each other
is like the most...
1059. The not seeing your power.
1060. The being afraid, like,
1061. all you do is talk shit
about each other,
1062. talk shit about yourselves,
"Oh, my God, I'm so fat."
1063. That's all they do.
That's all they do.
1064. I'm telling you.
1065. These white women.
1066. But it's... it's...
That's it.
1067. It's "I'm so fat.
I'm so stupid.
1068. "I'm blah blah blah."
1069. Sorry.
1070. Your kids
are watching you.
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Your kids
are watching you.
1071. And they're watching you
talking shit about each other.
1072. You know, raging against
a machine or being silent
1073. or whatever the hell it is
1074. that you're doing
or not doing.
1075. And they know that you're not
doing shit for them.
1076. That's so important.
1077. That is so important,
what she just said.
1078. It's real...
It's really important.
1079. That's...
1080. We may have to add you
to our team.
1081. Oh! I would love
to take a seat and join you.
1082. - No. You're not allowed to.
- Oh, okay.
1083. - Definitely not allowed.
- Okay.
1084. I do have my DEI certification
1085. - that I... that I got.
- Okay.
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- that I... that I got.
- Okay.
1086. - Okay.
- So...
1087. Not saying I'm an expert,
but I'm also not a novice.
1088. So...
1089. Okay.
1090. White people are starved
for these conversations.
1091. We are.
We are so starving.
1092. - Yeah.
- We are so starving for this.
1093. Anyone else?
1094. Want to say anything?
1095. I'll just say one thing.
1096. I'm so glad we can
have these conversations.
1097. And I'll be done.
But, uh, I'm just so glad
1098. that we could all get together
to have these conversations.
1099. That's all I wanted to say.
1100. - Thank you.
- Is he an actor?
1101. - Are you an actor?
- Oh, no.
1102. Can you let us...
We're trying to listen
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Can you let us...
We're trying to listen
1103. and trying
to have this conversation.
1104. Okay. You know,
1105. we're all acting all the time
in our lives,
1106. and, uh, and I think that
that's part of the problem.
1107. You know?
1108. And it's like we're all
trying to play a part
1109. rather than just being real
1110. and having these
uncomfortable conversations.
1111. And that's what I'm always
trying to tell people.
1112. Especially, you know,
white women. No offense.
1113. - But...
- No,
1114. but, see, like,
you're a white dude.
1115. There's power positions
1116. - and, uh, you know...
- Yeah.
1117. it's pointing...
pointing...
1118. white people pointing fingers
at each other is not helpful.
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white people pointing fingers
at each other is not helpful.
1119. You know, I've been
on this journey for so long,
1120. and just to see you guys
at the table
1121. having this conversation
has been really
1122. enlightening for me.
1123. Anyway,
I got the DEI certification.
1124. And I'm just on the journey.
1125. All right. You ladies
have a great...
1126. Thank you.
All right.
1127. - Decolonize yourself.
- Mm-hmm.
1128. Do your own
white supremacy dismantling.
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Do your own
white supremacy dismantling.
1129. And then you can start
to bring in other people.
1130. Can I just... Can I just
say one last thing?
1131. Can I just propose a toast?
1132. Uh, I mean, just raise a glass
if you're racist.
1133. And that's the thing.
1134. Cheers. Oh, I'm not racist.
Let me put my glass down.
1135. All the rest of you.
1136. To racists.
1137. What a charming
group of ladies.
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What a charming
group of ladies.
1138. I've learned a lot
from my fellow anti-racists.
1139. But now it's time
to evangelize.
1140. To go to white America
1141. and teach them
about their privilege.
1142. This biker bar
will do just fine.
1143. I'm sure these people
1144. would love to have
an honest dialogue
1145. about the perils of whiteness.
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1146. What are you doing,
1147. personally, in your life
to decenter your whiteness?
1148. What do you mean, decenter it?
Well...
1149. Take it away
from the center of...
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1150. Who's making it the center?
Why are they doing that?
1151. Why race has to be thrown in
on everything?
1152. Well, you're white...
you're white.
1153. So? Who cares?
1154. I mean, really, the way that
the world is going right now,
1155. people need to be concerned
1156. with how they're going
to feed their families.
1157. Not what color
is that man's skin.
1158. I got Black friends,
I love them, too.
1159. - But they know they're Black.
- Do you know they're Black?
1160. Of course I do, and I like it.
Good for them.
1161. Well, you know, one thing
I've learned is that
1162. if you meet a Black person,
1163. you want to forget
that they're Black.
1164. But don't forget
that they're Black.
1165. Why would you want to forget
that they're Black?
1166. - Well, don't. But also don't.
- Are they a friend?
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- Well, don't. But also don't.
- Are they a friend?
1167. Then you should embrace
them being Black.
1168. I think Black men should
have pride in being Black.
1169. And I think you should
have pride in being white.
1170. - What's wrong with that?
- I agree with the first part.
1171. Hello, sir.
1172. Hi.
1173. What's your name?
1174. Pat.
1175. - Pat?
- Yeah.
1176. What about you?
Do you have, uh, kids?
1177. - Do you have a wife?
- Yeah, I've got...
1178. two or three kids...
1179. - Two or three kids?
- Yeah.
1180. You don't have
to give me the whole list,
1181. but what are some ways
1182. that you're, um,
confronting your whiteness?
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that you're, um,
confronting your whiteness?
1183. - My whiteness?
- Yeah.
1184. I get along good
with Black people.
1185. I used to have... I used
to have a Black brother.
1186. I called him my brother.
He called me his brother.
1187. Was he really your brother?
1188. No, he wasn't.
1189. You were calling
a Black man brother?
1190. Yeah. I had more Black friends
1191. living in Huntsville
than I had white friends.
1192. - Really?
- Yeah.
1193. So that's in your own life,
but systemically...
1194. Considering the way
things is at now?
1195. Yeah.
1196. Just to summarize.
But what do you think about
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Just to summarize.
But what do you think about
1197. this issue
of heteronormativity
1198. and how it intersects
1199. with the broader structures
of racism in society?
1200. Huh?
1201. I mean, ultimately,
how do we get to a point of,
1202. let's say, racial harmony?
1203. I don't know.
1204. But I'm just telling you
what I said.
1205. That's a lot to think about
on my own journey.
1206. - It's good to talk to you.
- Mm-hmm.
1207. Uh, I'm a vegetarian as well.
1208. Uh, just started on the vegan,
uh, journey also,
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Uh, just started on the vegan,
uh, journey also,
1209. - so I'm glad...
- That don't say "vegetarian."
1235. Quit labeling people
as Black and white.
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Quit labeling people
as Black and white.
1236. - Exactly.
- But that's colorblindness,
1237. which is problematic.
1238. If I meet you as a Black man,
and you...
1239. you approach me,
I shake your hand.
1240. We go in here,
we have a conversation,
1241. we have a beer or ride
down the road on a motorcycle.
1242. What the hell does your color
got to do with it?
1243. It's all right here, bubba.
1244. If you treat people right,
they treat you right.
1245. And...
1246. I don't care
what color they are.
1247. You gotta
treat each other right.
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1248. I was expecting
these bikers
1249. would be a bunch of racists.
1250. And obviously, I was right.
1251. These people
haven't even started
1252. to decenter their whiteness.
1253. Now I need to go deeper
into the racist south,
1254. so that I can talk
to people of color
1255. about their lived experience
with racism.
1256. I was in the drug game
for 18 years of my life, man.
1257. And 14 and a half years went
all, uh, to incarceration.
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1258. So how did you get out?
1259. I got out through, uh,
the pages of the Word of God.
1260. My parents always
taught me to love everybody.
1261. Don't allow skin color to ever
become a problem for you.
1262. We didn't...
We didn't see colors, baby.
1263. Because we grew up together.
1264. And you know,
it was a lot of love.
1265. Inherent dignity,
it's in all of us.
1266. Though we're different
in so many ways,
1267. we're still alike
in so many more ways.
1268. - So we all one in God's sight.
- Yes.
1269. So how long
have you owned this shop here?
1270. I came here August 15, 1971,
from British Guyana.
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I came here August 15, 1971,
from British Guyana.
1271. Did you start a family
and all that?
1272. Yes. Altogether
I have 53 grandchildren.
1273. - Wow.
- Yeah.
1274. You think the country
has been good to you?
1275. Yeah. Yeah, very good.
Very good, yeah.
1276. How do you feel
about America today?
1277. America, man,
is a beautiful country.
1278. A beautiful country.
I don't have no problem here.
1279. A lot of people,
pretty critical of, uh...
1280. of this country,
and, you know...
1281. I don't know why.
1282. It can be
kind of a racist country.
1283. No. No, no, no.
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1284. Do you experience a lot of
microaggressions out here?
1285. Nah. Not out here.
1286. No.
1287. Well, what about
the systemic issue?
1288. - Systemic...
- What you mean by "systemic"?
1289. Well, the whole country.
The system.
1290. The system is... You know,
the system is racist.
1291. Mm...
1292. Not to me.
1293. - Not to you?
- No. Not to me, man.
1294. I don't think
about those things,
1295. racism and all that stuff.
1296. I've been reading
a lot of books recently.
1297. Robin DiAngelo,
White Fragility, obviously.
1298. Uh, been reading a lot
of anti-racist literature.
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Uh, been reading a lot
of anti-racist literature.
1299. Mm-hmm.
I don't read them things.
1300. What do you read?
1301. The only thing I read
is the Bible.
1302. I got it in the car
right there.
1303. If you looked in my car,
1304. you'll see it right there
on the seat.
1305. So you haven't read
any Robin DiAngelo?
1306. Uh, no. No, no.
Robin DiAngelo, who is that?
1307. Well, she's
a anti-racist, uh...
1308. - Oh, no, no, no. No, no, no.
- ... expert.
1309. I never read
them kind of books, man.
1310. If I get a book like that,
1311. I put it down.
I don't want it.
1312. I got a couple copies
in my car. I can give you one.
1313. No. I don't want it.
I don't want it.
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No. I don't want it.
I don't want it.
1314. I don't want it.
1315. No. 'Cause that is not
in my heart. No.
1316. I've kind of been working on,
uh, decentering my whiteness.
1317. Oh, your whiteness?
1318. Aight now, baby. We all bleed
the same thing, dude.
1319. If I cut you right there,
you will bleed just like me.
1320. I...
1321. It's just the color
of your skin.
1322. How do we get past
all the, uh,
1323. talk about racism and the...
1324. Oh, we gotta love each other,
like I said.
1325. We have to love each other.
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We have to love each other.
1326. That's how
you get past racism.
1327. Well, it can't be that simple.
1328. - Huh?
- Is it that simple?
1329. Well, yeah. I mean, to me.
1330. Something's not right.
1331. These people said the
same thing as those bikers.
1332. White supremacy
is more pervasive
1333. than I ever imagined.
1334. I need to talk to someone
1335. who has stared directly
into the face of racism.
1336. - July 16th...
- Mm-hmm.
1337. - ... 2022.
- Mm-hmm.
1338. - Difficult day for you.
- Very.
1339. And for America.
1340. The popular
kids amusement park
1341. apologized after
a video went viral
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apologized after
a video went viral
1342. that appeared
to show a costumed character
1343. snubbing two Black girls.
1344. Okay, you see
the character coming,
1345. high-fiving everybody
as he goes down the street.
1346. Gets to those
two little girls.
1347. And appears
to just flat out say no,
1348. and you see the little girls,
1349. and their faces,
and they're heartbroken.
1350. Meet Jodi Brown.
1351. The mother who was victimized
1352. at the hands of Rosita,
the Sesame Street character.
1353. She was reluctant to talk
about the traumatic incident,
1354. but for $50,000,
1355. she was willing
to tell her tragic story.
1356. Now, you have described
this moment as disgusting.
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Now, you have described
this moment as disgusting.
1357. Because I feel like
if you are able to acknowledge
1358. someone before my children
and after my children,
1359. you could've stopped
two seconds just to say hello.
1360. This was something targeted
at your... you and your child.
1361. It was a very intentional
racist act.
1362. We don't want some explanation
that, "Oh, the performer
1363. "didn't see
these two young girls."
1364. Which one of them
is in isolation today
1365. from the harm that is being
caused by this company.
1366. So we're gonna demand
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So we're gonna demand
1367. that they take care
of any type of healthcare
1368. or mental care expenses
1369. that these children
have realized.
1370. And who is Rosita?
Who's in that costume?
1371. Mel Gibson.
1372. I think that person
needs to be,
1373. you know, held accountable.
1374. - Fired and held to account.
- Absolutely fired.
1375. Well, before you fire 'em,
1376. teach 'em
why they're being fired.
1377. And then let them go.
1378. And then let them go.
1379. How do we fix the endemic
racism among mascots?
1380. Mascots, I feel, like,
need to be trained better.
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Mascots, I feel, like,
need to be trained better.
1381. Do you know who
the employee is that was
1382. - in the costume?
- No.
1383. That information
was never given to me.
1384. Uh, do we know
if they're white?
1385. Um, that information
was also not given to me.
1386. Do you think American society
is racist?
1387. There is an epidemic of hate
1388. in the United States
of America.
1389. Threats of violence.
1390. Threats of death
and destruction.
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Threats of death
and destruction.
1391. Hate and racism
are alive and well in America.
1392. This is just absolutely crazy.
1393. She was verbally attacked
by a group of men.
1394. And I heard
1395. distinctly them saying
"Donald Trump."
1396. where a hate crime
1397. is being investigated...
1398. third consecutive year
1399. a noose has been found
on campus.
1400. Bitter, brutal hate crimes
that are on the rise.
1401. 17% increase.
1402. 20% increase.
1403. 55%.
1404. Hate crimes have surged...
1405. More than 7,200 hate crimes.
1406. A noose was found
in Bubba's garage.
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A noose was found
in Bubba's garage.
1407. It's not about racing.
1408. It's about race.
1409. The Jussie Smollett
hate crime case
1410. shows what appears
to be a noose
1411. around the Empire
actor's neck.
1412. You could not get more
reprehensible than a noose.
1413. We have a media that's saying
it's a debate whether or not
1414. what just happened
to Jussie Smollett
1415. is a hate crime. It's absurd.
1416. I've been truthful
and consistent
1417. on every single level
since day one.
1418. Right now, there is a domestic
terrorism prevention bill
1419. moving through the house.
1420. The COVID-19 Hate Crimes Act.
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The COVID-19 Hate Crimes Act.
1421. Thank you.
1422. The hate crimes task force
is investigating...
1423. - Hate crimes.
- Hate crimes.
1424. - Hate crime.
- Hate crime.
1425. Hate crime.
1426. Hate crimes.
1427. Thoughts?
1428. I think that
hate crimes are bad.
1429. Hate in general, uh,
is not good.
1430. But they're everywhere now.
1431. - No.
- It's an epidemic.
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- No.
- It's an epidemic.
1432. No, it's... it's not.
1433. Well, out of, what,
1434. 20 million index crimes
a year,
1435. there are 6,000,
7,000 hate crimes.
1436. No, there's no epidemic.
1437. This is one of those things
1438. where there's
a huge disconnect
1439. between media presentation,
1440. and this really is something
I research professionally.
1441. And one of the reasons
that you're probably
1442. talking to me also is I wrote
the book, Hate Crime Hoax,
1443. and I mean, I noted
that over a period of maybe...
1444. You wrote the book
called what?
1445. Uh, Hate Crime Hoax.
1446. I pointed out
that a lot of these incidents,
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I pointed out
that a lot of these incidents,
1447. Jussie Smollett, uh,
1448. Covington Catholic,
Yasmin Seweid,
1449. Duke lacrosse,
Bubba Wallace...
1450. Terrible story.
1451. Uh, but they didn't happen.
That's the thing.
1452. None of those stories
that I'm mentioning happened.
1453. I mean, you can just go
on and on with this.
1454. Uh, Kansas State,
the horrible racial epithets
1455. written on upscale vehicles...
1456. Okay. Let... Let's...
1457. Let's slow down here
for a moment.
1458. So you wrote the book,
Hate Crime Hoax?
1459. Yes.
1460. We're missing a word
in our notes on that.
1461. Uh...
1462. That's an issue
from the producer there
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That's an issue
from the producer there
1463. if it just says "Hate Crimes,"
1464. or "Hate Crime Epidemic,"
or something like that.
1465. Yeah.
1466. Uh, and you say
that you're Black?
1467. Yes.
1468. Don't the statistics
1469. show that anti-Black
hate crimes
1470. are a huge problem?
1471. If you break down
the statistics.
1472. Well, I think that depends
on your definition
1473. of a huge problem.
I mean, so the...
1474. One of the biggest problems.
1475. No. The statistics absolutely
do not show that.
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No. The statistics absolutely
do not show that.
1476. What are the statistics?
1477. If you go into
the FBI numbers annually,
1478. there are maybe 7,000
1479. actual reported,
documented hate crimes
1480. - in a typical...
- In a day?
1481. No, in a typical year.
1482. But the total number of crimes
in the United States,
1483. more than 2 million committed
by African Americans.
1484. Almost a million committed
against African Americans.
1485. This is just violent crimes.
1486. And it's just the case
1487. that there are way more crimes
than there are hate crimes.
1488. No one thinks
that direct racial conflict
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No one thinks
that direct racial conflict
1489. is one of the biggest problems
in the country
1490. unless they've been told
by the media that it is.
1491. Uh, why are we talking
about statistics?
1492. This is not a matter
of statistics.
1493. Well, you asked me
about the statistics.
1494. Every week practically,
1495. we hear another story about
1496. someone reporting
a hate crime.
1497. Let's say, they find a noose.
1498. Uh, they found a racist note
on a receipt.
1499. So, saying there's
a hate crime every week
1500. is absolutely meaningless.
1501. If you really wanted
to solve crime,
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If you really wanted
to solve crime,
1502. you'd talk about
Black-on-Black crime,
1503. you'd talk about addiction
in poor white communities.
1504. You'd talk about
almost anything
1505. but what the major media
seems intent on focusing on.
1506. Most of those stories
turn out to be complete fakes.
1507. It seems like
the real conversation to have
1508. would be about
something like hysteria
1509. and neuroticism
among Americans.
1510. It becomes an opportunity
for a conversation
1511. about race in America.
1512. And we can always use
more of that.
1513. I absolutely disagree...
1514. With what part?
1515. That we can...
I disagree with all of that.
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That we can...
I disagree with all of that.
1516. Have you heard yet that
I'm a certified DEI expert?
1517. Here's my certification.
1518. "Diversitylnclusion
Training.com.
1519. "Making compliance fast,
easy, and painless."
1520. You don't need
to read that much.
1521. - Just... Yeah, give it back.
- I... I don't know...
1522. - something...
- That's not the point.
1523. The demand for racism
in society right now
1524. greatly outweighs the supply.
1525. We've attached a sort of value
to being a victim.
1526. People report these crimes
1527. because they know the response
will be immediate.
1528. It will be sensationalistic.
It will be very supportive.
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It will be sensationalistic.
It will be very supportive.
1529. Why would Jussie Smollett
say what he did?
1530. The entire thing
was complete nonsense,
1531. and I think
most serious people
1532. knew this from the beginning.
1533. If it was such
an obvious hoax, then why...
1534. why didn't we hear it
from the media?
1535. From, uh, Kamala Harris,
all the late night talk shows.
1544. this country isn't safe
for people of color.
1545. I've heard it over and over.
1546. If only I could walk
in their shoes,
1547. then I'd really know
what they go through.
1548. Looks cold out there.
1549. It's
two o'clock in the morning.
1550. Man, I'm hungry.
1551. You're going to Subway.
1552. Where can I get food
at this hour?
1553. Subway is open 24 hours.
1554. Like, people kill me when
they say things like that.
1555. Because it's like, Subway is
open 24 hours for a reason.
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Because it's like, Subway is
open 24 hours for a reason.
1556. So that when you hungry
at night
1557. and you ain't got no food,
you go to Subway.
1558. What happened
that night, Jussie?
1559. I went to the Subway
and got the order.
1560. You have to understand also
that it's Chicago. In winter.
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You have to understand also
that it's Chicago. In winter.
1561. I, uh, heard as I was crossing
the intersection,
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I, uh, heard as I was crossing
the intersection,
1562. I heard, "Empire."
1563. Daily Wire.
1564. And I don't answer
to "Empire."
1565. My name ain't Empire. Uh...
1566. And I didn't answer.
1567. I kept walking,
and then I heard,
1568. " Empire... "
1569. So I turned around,
and I said...
1570. "The did you
just say to me?
1571. And I see...
1572. the uh, attacker.
1573. Uh, masked.
1574. that I had said
that they were wearing
1575. MAGA hats, I never said that.
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MAGA hats, I never said that.
1576. And... he said,
1577. - " This MAGA country,"
- This MAGA country,
1578. Punches me right in the face.
1579. So I punched his ass back.
1580. Hmm?
1581. And then, um,
we started tussling,
1582. you know, it was very icy.
1583. Fighting, fighting, fighting.
There was a second person
1588. Hit him with the bleach!
Hit him with the bleach!
1589. Then it just stopped.
1590. And...
1591. they ran off.
1592. And I... Then I looked down,
and I see
1593. that there's a rope
around my neck.
1594. You hadn't noticed it
before...
1595. No. 'Cause it was so fast.
1596. I noticed the rope
around my neck,
1597. and I started screaming.
1598. And I said, "There's a
rope around my neck.
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And I said, "There's a
rope around my neck.
1599. If the attackers
are never found,
1600. how will you be able to heal?
1601. Um...
1602. I don't know.
1603. Let's just hope that they are.
1604. You know what I'm saying?
1605. Like, let's...
let's not go there yet.
1606. On second thought,
1607. I don't really
feel like Subway.
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I don't really
feel like Subway.
1608. Hi, Robin.
1609. Robin DiAngelo.
1610. It's an honor.
1611. It's an honor to meet you.
1612. It... Damn it.
1613. It's nice to meet you,
Robin DiAngelo.
1614. Dr. Robin DiAngelo.
1615. Is there a, uh, Mr. DiAngelo?
1616. Asking for a friend.
1617. Someone of your esteemed...
1618. Stupid.
1619. Robin. Would you sign my book?
1620. Your book. Would you sign
my book I have of yours?
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Your book. Would you sign
my book I have of yours?
1621. I'm pleading with you
to sign my...
1622. Please,
would you sign my book?
1623. "To your friend, uh, Matt."
1624. Okay.
1625. This is it.
1626. Don't screw this up.
1627. Don't mess this up.
1628. Let's do the work.
1629. - Hi, Robin.
- Hi.
1630. And what's your name?
1631. - I'm Matt.
- Matt. Hi, Matt.
1632. Nice to meet you.
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Nice to meet you.
1633. I just had to ask
who you are because
1634. you have to be careful.
1635. You can never be too careful.
1636. Let's... Let's start
with the book.
1637. One of the most important
books of the past century,
1638. I would say, for my money,
White Fragility.
1639. Uh, you've been in this field
for a long time.
1640. You've done a lot.
1641. What sort of organizations
have you, uh, worked with?
1642. Do you want me to name?
1643. Oh, sure. I mean...
1644. Should I name it? I...
1645. Okay. Well, but I don't want
to be held responsible
1646. for what they do.
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for what they do.
1647. Netflix.
1648. Google. Amazon. Snapchat.
1649. And what do you do for them?
1650. Sometimes it's a workshop,
or it's interactive.
1651. Maybe it would take place
over several hours or a day.
1652. Let's start
with some definitions.
1653. And probably the biggest one
to define is racism.
1654. Well, if you're talking
about a white person,
1655. and you say
this person is racist,
1656. you're basically, to me,
saying this person
1657. is a product of their society.
1658. Is it possible
for a white person
1659. to be not racist?
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to be not racist?
1660. I think, in a given moment,
we can be more or less racist.
1661. We're... And so I think of it
1662. more as a continuum
than an either-or.
1663. Is there any way to get rid
of, uh, white privilege?
1664. If an individual says,
1665. "I don't want to have this
privilege, it feels unfair."
1666. Is there any way
for a man to say,
1667. "I don't want this privilege"?
I mean, we live in patriarchy.
1668. And you can't just opt out.
1669. You can do your best
to challenge it.
1670. That, in a way, is opting out.
1671. That confuses me too,
1672. because I don't want
to mansplain
1673. - or whitesplain...
- Yeah. Well, okay.
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- or whitesplain...
- Yeah. Well, okay.
1674. What is...
Maybe that's important.
1675. - Yeah.
- Segue. What is "mansplain"?
1676. Well, it would be you
explaining to me
1677. either why what you just did
wasn't sexism?
1678. Or explaining...
1679. I don't think
that's what it is.
1680. I think "mansplain"
is to make an assumption.
1681. To say something
in an assuming way.
1682. You talked about
the problem of, uh...
1683. of over-smiling...
1684. which
1685. really resonated with me.
1686. Sometimes smiling
at a Black person
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Sometimes smiling
at a Black person
1687. can... can be racist.
1688. It's a reminder. You know,
those thousand daily cuts.
1689. It's a reminder
of your position
1690. in relation to
that other person, right?
1691. Because that person
likely knows
1692. why I'm smiling at them.
1693. When I go
to the grocery store,
1694. I don't really
look at anybody,
1695. I just do my thing,
but I see a Black person,
1696. I... I feel almost
an uncontrollable
1697. sense of urgency
to signal to them
1698. that I'm okay,
and that I'm not racist,
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that I'm okay,
and that I'm not racist,
1699. and that they're welcome.
1700. Is it the right strategy
to be...
1701. for a white person to say,
1702. "Well, hey,
I'm just going to operate
1703. "in this situation
as a normal person.
1704. "I'm not gonna
think about race.
1705. "I'm not gonna notice."
Just see people
1706. as human beings.
Is that the way it works?
1707. Yeah, no. First of all, you do
see them as a Black person.
1708. You do. I mean,
I'm not gonna pretend
1709. I don't notice
that there's a Black person
1710. - in the grocery store.
- So we want to notice race,
1711. but not... not too much.
1712. We want to be honest
that we do.
1713. We do notice race.
1714. We don't notice it.
Don't focus on it.
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We don't notice it.
Don't focus on it.
1715. - Yeah. Okay.
- But think about it.
1716. But...
1717. I mean, you notice it.
1718. Focus on it a little bit,
but not too much.
1719. Yeah. You know, there's a...
It's a balance, right?
1720. 'Cause I hear
"forget that I'm Black.
1721. "Don't forget that I'm Black.
1722. "Notice. Don't notice.
1723. "Don't deny
that you're racist.
1724. "But also try
not to be racist.
1725. "But don't... But also
don't realize that you..."
1726. It makes me...
1727. - Yeah.
- It makes me, uh...
1728. I'm sorry. I...
1729. - It's okay.
- It just...
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- It's okay.
- It just...
1730. - It makes me feel overwhelmed.
- Yeah. Yeah.
1731. Just take your time.
1732. I know you work on this
in your seminars.
1733. People, uh, workshopping
actual real-life scenarios.
1734. So would you mind,
kind of a role play where...
1735. - Okay.
- ... I will, in this scenario,
1736. be the person of color
who's bringing concern to you,
1796. uh, especially when
there are people of color
1797. - in the room.
- Okay.
1798. Ben, if you're willing
1799. to come and sit with us
for just a moment.
1800. - Sure.
- Um...
1801. So is Ben...
1802. Yeah. This is Ben, uh,
producer on the film.
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1803. And, um...
1804. I thought it would be
a powerful opportunity to
1805. speak directly
to a person of color and
1806. confront our racism
and also apologize for
1807. the white supremacist systems
that oppress Ben,
1808. so do you want to go first?
1809. Well, on behalf of myself
and my fellow white people,
1810. I apologize.
1811. Uh, it is not you, it is us.
1812. As long as I'm standing,
I will do my best
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As long as I'm standing,
I will do my best
1813. to challenge it.
1814. I want to pay you
reparations right now.
1815. Um, will you accept?
1816. I... I won't turn it down.
1817. Okay. I don't know...
1818. um...
1819. is 20... well...
1820. This is all I have. Um...
1821. I, uh...
1822. - I know that's not...
- Um...
1823. That's not gonna...
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1824. That doesn't make up
for 400 years of oppression,
1825. but, um,
it's all that I have to give.
1826. Um...
1827. I... I don't know
if it's ever enough.
1828. Uh, but what I can say
is I appreciate the fact
1829. that you're putting in
the work.
1830. Um, you know, I...
I think you're right.
1831. I don't think...
I don't think it'll ever end.
1832. But, uh, there is...
1833. there is small progress
I think we made today.
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1834. Um...
1835. Did you... Did you want to...
1836. - That...
- ... pay any, uh...
1837. That was really weird.
1838. Why was it weird?
1839. Uh... Uh, 'cause it seemed
really weird to me.
1840. Why?
1841. Um, because you just
took out your wallet,
1842. and I don't know, it...
1843. 'Cause I think
reparations is like a...
1844. a systemic, um...
1845. dynamic and approach and so,
I mean, I think that
1846. there may be some people who
would be offended by, uh...
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there may be some people who
would be offended by, uh...
1847. Clearly, you were
not offended by that.
1848. I... I won't turn down cash.
1849. - Um...
- Hmm.
1850. I think, are we gonna...
1851. Are we gonna allow ourselves
to be uncomfortable and...
1852. and just do
what we can personally,
1853. or we gonna sit around,
1854. waiting for the system
to catch up?
1855. Yeah. They go together, right?
1856. Yeah. But this...
this is something
1857. that I can do right now.
1858. Why wouldn't I do it?
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Why wouldn't I do it?
1859. Well, clearly,
I mean, you did it,
1860. and he...
he was comfortable with it.
1861. I just, it seems like it's...
1862. uh, not a systemic approach.
1863. - Or it just seemed...
- It's not.
1864. 'Cause I'm not waiting
for the system.
1865. - I'm acting as an individual.
- Yeah.
1866. I can go get some cash,
for sure.
1867. In my... Yeah.
1868. If that's something
you... you think...
1869. Yeah. I don't mind.
1870. Um...
1871. If that would be something
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If that would be something
1872. that would be comfortable
for you.
1873. - Yeah.
- Okay. Cool.
1874. - That's all the cash I have.
- Oh, well, you know.
1875. I don't usually carry cash.
1876. - Thanks.
- You're welcome!
1877. Um...
1878. This is powerful to me.
I thank you for...
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This is powerful to me.
I thank you for...
1879. Sure.
1880. for doing that.
1881. Well, the last thing is,
will you sign my book?
1882. Oh, of course.
1883. If you don't mind.
1884. I'm definitely
gonna process that.
1885. The student
has become the teacher.
1886. My moment has finally arrived.
1887. It's time to show
other white people
1888. how to do the work.
1889. And make a little money
in the process.
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And make a little money
in the process.
1890. I'm taking everything
I've learned
1891. on my anti-racist journey
1892. and turning it
into my own online DEI course.
1893. Now anybody can earn
their own DEI certificate.
1894. And I've already made $3,248.
1895. But for a more
in-depth approach,
1896. I'm rolling out
an in-person workshop.
1897. I'm calling it
the Do the Work! Workshop.
1898. With the purpose of providing
practical and innovative,
1899. long-lasting solutions
1900. to promote equality
in our society,
1901. Do the Work! Workshop
was born.
1902. Our next guest offers a bold
and uncompromising workshop
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Our next guest offers a bold
and uncompromising workshop
1903. that aims to bring
lasting change.
1904. So what you're doing
is you're stretching,
1905. you're stretching,
1906. and this is more for you
and less for you.
1907. You're stretching up
like this,
1908. - and you're stretching out.
- Mm-hmm.
1909. What you're doing
is you're stretching
1910. out of your whiteness.
1911. Okay, so you're decentering
your whiteness.
1912. You're stretching out
of your whiteness.
1913. And you're bringing those
1914. other experiences
into yourself.
1915. What exactly does it mean
1916. to do the work
with Do the Work! Workshop?
1917. What does it mean to you
to do the work?
1918. There's a reason
we say "do the work."
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There's a reason
we say "do the work."
1919. And it is a work
that you have to do.
1920. It's right there in the name.
1921. You know, what is the work?
1922. It's the work
that we're doing.
1923. It's about the doing,
and it's also about the work.
1924. What is to do?
It is to do the thing.
1925. We might also use the analogy,
1926. another one I like,
of raking leaves.
1927. Uh, the leaves of racism
are falling.
1928. We're raking them,
they keep falling.
1929. We rake them.
1930. Uh, but you don't get
to a point where you say,
1931. "Well, I'm done
with the leaves."
1932. Then you have leaves
all over the yard.
1933. How can somebody get involved
1934. if they're watching this
right now?
1935. Where can people
get ahold of you
1936. and see you
for your next workshop?
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and see you
for your next workshop?
1937. We're doing the work
as we speak.
1938. The workshop is happening
1939. this fall
if you would like to sign up.
1940. You don't need
to bring anything with you
1941. but an open mind.
1942. We're not letting anyone in
who doesn't have an open mind.
1943. Uh, also, there's a fee,
of course, uh, as well.
1944. That's described in the...
1945. on the website but, you know,
1946. the open mind
is the main thing.
1947. Matt, the certified DEI.
1948. Thank you so much
for being here.
1949. Thank you so much.
1950. Finding white people
willing to do the work
1951. isn't exactly easy.
1952. So I also advertised
my workshop on craigslist
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So I also advertised
my workshop on craigslist
1953. which, as we know,
is the best place
1954. for finding white people
who are willing to do
1955. just about anything.
1956. Who's ready to do the work?
Anybody?
1957. I know I am.
1958. Welcome to the Do the Work!
Workshop.
1959. Thank you all for being here.
1960. Listen,
let's get the credentials
1961. out of the way upfront.
1962. Um, I am a certified
1963. diversity, equity,
and inclusion expert.
1964. Um, I have the card
and all that,
1965. but I keep the card
in the back pocket
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but I keep the card
in the back pocket
1966. for this because I'm just
a person on a journey,
1967. just like many of you.
1968. But by the end
of the nine steps,
1969. you're gonna start to feel
more like an anti-racist ally.
1970. That ultimately
is our goal here.
1971. Let's dive in right away
with step one.
1972. And here's what we reflect
1973. both externally
and internally.
1974. It's all about adopting
an appropriate,
1975. uh, attitude of humility,
1976. and also realizing
that racism lurks,
1977. uh, many places in society
we don't expect it.
1978. This may seem
a little strange.
1979. So I look around the room
and point to
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1980. who we believe,
just by looking,
1981. is the most racist person
in the room.
1982. If you could point.
1983. I'm out, guys.
1984. - Appreciate y'all.
- Yeah.
1985. - Have a lovely day.
- Thank you.
1986. I appreciate it, but this is
definitely not my...
1987. That's uncomfortable.
1988. This is where I'm pointing.
1989. 'Cause why don't we think
about pointing at ourselves?
1990. Why would we rather get up
and leave the room?
1991. Let's go to step two.
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1992. This is a pretty simple,
basic anti-racism concept.
1993. Racism is non-binary.
What does that mean?
1994. It means racism
is on a spectrum.
1995. What does that mean?
It means that racism is fluid.
1996. You might move up or down.
1997. So you might say, "Well,
1998. "I'm kind of a three
on the racism scale."
1999. Uh, but there may be moments
when you're a six,
2076. Well, number two, you're not
even looking at him.
2077. I think he's not looking
at us, so it's kind of awkward
2078. to look at someone
like they're a specimen.
2079. If that makes sense.
2080. Like the...
the exercise itself
2081. is a little awkward, and...
2082. It's not his job
as a Black man
2083. to make us feel comfortable
in this moment.
2084. That's not what
I was saying though.
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2085. Hmm.
2086. Thanks, Ben.
2087. Now we're gonna really
take the gloves off.
2088. This is where things get real.
2089. White silence.
2090. White silence
is when we remain silent
2091. in the face of bigotry
and racism.
2092. Now, what we like
to tell ourselves is that
2093. as long as I'm not using
the N-word, okay?
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as long as I'm not using
the N-word, okay?
2094. As long as I'm not
voting for Donald Trump,
2095. I'm not racist.
2096. By not taking action
in the face of racism,
2097. we are participating
in that racism.
2098. But here's the good news,
2099. it's never too late
to break the white silence
2100. and speak up against racism.
2101. Things are gonna really get
uncomfortable now
2102. especially for me.
2103. Because what I want to do
is lead by example.
2104. My uncle Frank is here today.
2105. Come on,
bring my uncle Frank out.
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Come on,
bring my uncle Frank out.
2106. Thank you, Ben.
2107. Uncle Frank.
2108. It was 20 years ago
2109. that you sat
at the dinner table with us,
2110. and not a day has gone by
2111. that I haven't
thought about this.
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2112. You sat at that dinner table,
2113. and you made
what you said was a...
2114. "joke."
2115. You asked the question,
what's the difference
2116. between a Mexican man
and a picnic table?
2117. And the answer was,
2118. a picnic table can support
a family of five.
2119. You're still laughing.
2120. We all laughed at the table.
2121. I laughed.
2122. But I was scared and confused.
2123. And I was a coward.
2124. But I'm not gonna be a coward
anymore, uncle Frank.
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But I'm not gonna be a coward
anymore, uncle Frank.
2125. You had no right
to make that joke!
2126. Latinx Americans,
they come to this country
2127. and they work hard!
2128. And your little joke
dehumanizes.
2129. It is not funny!
2130. Uncle Frank,
2131. it is not funny to mock
marginalized people!
2289. Thank you for calling
the Boulder Bookstore.
2290. How can I help you?
2291. Hi. I was just in
the other day,
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Hi. I was just in
the other day,
2292. and I saw a certain book
that, uh,
2293. I wasn't ready to read
at the time,
2294. but I think I'm ready.
I wanted to see if you guys
2295. still have it in stock.
2296. Yeah, what was the title?
2297. Uh, it starts...
So it starts with an "N."
2298. Um...
2299. I don't remember the...
2300. I don't remember the author.
2301. Um...
2302. It... It's...
2303. You don't know
the title of the book either?
2304. Well, it... it's, uh...
2305. 'Cause it got...
It's kind of...
2306. It starts with an "N"
and there's kind of, uh...
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It starts with an "N"
and there's kind of, uh...
2307. Well, there's...
2308. It's like there's... there's
a vowel, there's consonants,
2309. there's a vowel. Um...
2310. It... It's one word.
2311. I really... I don't know
how to look it up
2312. without the title
or the author.
2313. Well, it's got kind of...
So it starts with an "N."
2314. And then it's got kind of,
sort of, it's got an "I,"
2315. uh, there, it... it's...
2316. I guess... I mean,
we've got thousands of books,
2317. so I don't really know
how to look it up
2318. with just knowing the two...
first two letters.
2319. It's "N-I..."
So it's like an "N-I..."
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It's "N-I..."
So it's like an "N-I..."
2320. There's the... It's a "G..."
2321. is in there,
and there's another one.
2322. Let me put you on a brief hold
and go check.
2323. Thanks for holding.
Um, I'm not seeing anything.
2324. I mean, maybe
try to think of the title
2325. - if you can and call back?
- Well, it's...
2326. Sorry, sorry.
I... I know the title.
2327. I just can't...
I can't say the title.
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I just can't...
I can't say the title.
2328. - And I...
- Okay.
2329. I don't know. I don't think
you can say it either,
2330. so I don't...
2331. It's a very...
It's a triggering title.
2332. Uh, it actually rhymes
with "trigger," actually,
2333. and, uh, so...
2334. but that's what
I was wondering,
2335. if it was there.
2336. Um, I mean, I didn't see it
when I just went and looked.
2337. Okay. But you know
what I'm talking about?
2338. Yeah.
2339. It... It's that book.
2340. - Yeah.
- Okay.
2341. - Okay. Have a good day.
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- Okay. Have a good day.