1. GRADY COUNTY JAIL
OKLAHOMA, 2019
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2. I was asked to bail
Jeff out of jail two times.
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3. The very first time was when he beat up
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4. and strangled his first wife, Kathy Lowe.
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5. She went to confront him
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6. because he was being
Mr. Showoff with Lauren,
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7. his mistress at that time.
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8. But he got violent with her.
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9. And then, the second time was in Vegas.
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10. They caught him sneaking cubs
into the hotels and shit.
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11. Lauren and I had leased a big home
in Las Vegas.
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12. We had tigers in our house,
and it got me in trouble.
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13. Animal control stormed the place
like we were El Chapo,
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14. because I had two baby cats up there.
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15. The animals weren't all that was taken.
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16. Marshals impounded multiple
semi-automatic handguns and rifles.
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17. You know what?
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18. I should've took that
as a very strong warning.
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19. He is a predator.
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20. A hardcore predator.
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21. When Jeff Lowe came back
from getting in trouble in Vegas
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22. is when all hell broke loose.
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23. Ever since then,
it's been a Jeff Lowe world,
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24. and that's when... it all went to hell.
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25. THE NOBLE THING TO DO
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26. Jeffrey Lowe, I am adjudicating you guilty
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27. and I'm ordering that you surrender
any animals that were confiscated.
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28. You will stay out of trouble.
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29. That means no illegal activity.
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30. If you do that, at the end of the year,
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31. I will vacate the jail time.
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32. If not, you will serve the 179 days.
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33. Do you understand my order?
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34. I do.
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35. When Lauren and I came back
from Las Vegas,
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36. Joe was locking me out of
the online bank accounts.
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37. So we'd snuck back and went to the bank.
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38. I wanted 12 months' worth
of bank statements
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39. because he wasn't providing me
the statements.
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40. I went up to my cashier.
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41. She goes, "You all okay over there?"
I said, "Yeah, why?" She goes...
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42. "Hmm." She goes, "I'm thinking that Joe
was being investigated by somebody."
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43. And I looked at Lauren and I said,
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44. "By who?" And she goes,
"There was a federal warrant."
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45. I said, "Really? Can you tell me
what it was about?"
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46. She goes, "That's all I know.
I don't know any more."
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47. So, the Feds were watching him.
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48. You're gonna get me
in fucking trouble, Joe!
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49. - And I came here to save your ass!
- How am I—
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50. You forged my name 20 fucking times
on cashed checks.
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51. Just in that 12 months
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52. while he was running
for the governor of Oklahoma,
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53. we found, I think, 88,000-some dollars
in misappropriated spending.
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54. You're gonna do whatever the fuck you want
without even asking me, and it's wrong!
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55. You are a shitty fucking partner.
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56. So, I can put some of my money...
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57. I don't give a flying fuck!
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58. You lost that when you fucked
with Carole Baskin.
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59. That's not my fault!
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60. It's your fault.
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61. You can't funnel and embezzle money!
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62. I came here to bail your ass out.
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63. You would be fucking who knows where
without me,
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64. and you even said it
before I went to Las Vegas.
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65. You're not going to fuck me.
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66. You're not gonna put me in trouble
and then treat me like shit. Asshole!
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67. I have everything covered, Jeff.
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68. He'd spent $60,000 in campaign brochures
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69. and printing and signs and t-shirts
and condoms with his picture on it.
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70. It says campaign.
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71. Paid by the Park.
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72. That's illegal!
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73. And it's my ass!
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74. They already told me
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75. you're being investigated
for something else,
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76. but they wouldn't tell me what it is,
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77. and when the shit hits the fan,
I don't need another felony.
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78. Let's take off. I'll move.
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79. Move! Then do it,
and I'll run this park the right way.
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80. Jeff Lowe was getting downright ugly...
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81. right there in front of everybody else.
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82. Right before Joe got kicked off the park,
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83. he took and burned all of the records
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84. because he didn't want us to be able
to prove the embezzlement.
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85. Shit, I think he burned laptops.
I think he burned transfer papers.
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86. I'm sure Joe knew more
than what he was telling me.
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87. I didn't have a clue where he was going,
what he was gonna do.
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88. He comes in the office,
distraught, tears in his eyes.
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89. Never seen this
except for when Travis killed himself.
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90. Wipe all the computers, get outta here.
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91. He said, "I don't know
what's about to happen,
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92. but Jeff Lowe's taken the park from me."
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93. The last two days, you could tell
he was fixing to leave, to bolt,
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94. and he was trying to gather up anything
he could get ahold of to sell.
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95. He really, really got paranoid,
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96. like a little birdy had told him
something's wrong.
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97. Joe had a truck come in here,
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98. so he could pick up animals
in the middle of the night.
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99. - Okay. Here she comes, 'kay?
- Back up.
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100. He shipped all them money cats out
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101. because they were all worth
three and four thousand dollars apiece,
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102. and he shipped out quite a few.
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103. - My little gal. Good, good.
- Come on, girl.
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104. We transported a bunch of
different animals.
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105. I took two baby tigers to California.
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106. There was $5,000 exchanged
in Branson, Missouri.
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107. We thought we were helping Joe out.
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108. I mean,
we didn't know everything going on.
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109. We thought Jeff literally
was taking everything away from him.
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110. You got six minutes.
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111. - Six minutes before he...
- Three ccs.
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112. I'm giving him five.
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113. - Keep him looking at you.
- Come on, Bubba.
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114. - Attaboy.
- Going right in his shoulder.
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115. I'm sorry.
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116. That was the last day
that Joe was allowed in the park.
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117. I told Joe, "You come on this property
again, I'll shoot you in the head."
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118. "He's threatening to kill me.
If I come back, he's gonna kill me."
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119. You damn right. I would have killed him.
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120. Whatever Jeff Lowe told him
scared the living hell out of him.
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121. Joe was gone. Just gone.
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122. He won't tell anybody
where he's at, not even me,
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123. and that's probably the last time
I will ever see Joe Exotic.
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124. There's just some things
that I'd rather just be left unsaid.
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125. Some mistakes were made
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126. and some attitudes got out of hand.
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127. Rather than argue
or be accused of stuff,
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128. I just decided to walk away.
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129. The cats were my responsibility,
no matter who owns that zoo.
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130. 'Cause I'm the one who bred him
and brought him into this world.
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131. So I feel obligated that I need
to make sure that he's safe and secure.
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132. DILLON PASSAGE
JOE'S HUSBAND
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133. Get up.
Get up, boy, and get some lunch.
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134. It's lunch.
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135. I'm glad to see him finally
in his final spot.
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136. This is where they're gonna stay.
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137. You know, there was just—
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138. There was a lot of threats thrown around,
and I just—
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139. would rather just get away.
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140. Got new phones, got—
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141. They can't track me.
They can't do nothing.
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142. There you go.
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143. Joe, you don't seem like
your regular self.
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144. Just... 20 years of blood, sweat,
and tears, and every dime I had...
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145. - I am done. I'm done.
- You're done.
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146. Who's the winner in this?
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147. - Is it Carole? Is it PETA? Is it Jeff?
- Nobody.
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148. - Who?
- In the long run,
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149. it's gonna be the animal rights people...
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150. are gonna be the winners of this,
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151. because they're gonna end up
with the property
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152. because nobody can afford
the lawyer bills.
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153. What about Carole?
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154. I still think that she deserves
to sit in jail for killing her husband.
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155. But I truly believe in karma.
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156. And a few people got some karma coming.
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157. You all right, bud?
You want some water?
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158. Joe was on the run, and he told everyone
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159. that Jeff had a hit out on him,
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160. and Jeff was gonna kill him,
and that's why he left the park.
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161. You know, why does an innocent guy
buy a burner phone?
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162. We tried to narrow down where he was,
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163. but we could just never
pinpoint his location.
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164. You know, Joe cries victim,
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165. that everybody's trying to take my zoo,
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166. and everybody's trying to do this
and that.
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167. Jeff Lowe already owned the zoo.
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168. Joe just wanted to put it in
somebody's name,
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169. and... and continue to be the tiger queen,
I mean tiger king.
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170. He thought he was more powerful
than anybody because he was Tiger King.
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171. But that was just all in his head.
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172. ALLEN GLOVER
HANDYMAN | G.W. ZOO
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173. Among a bunch of other bad things.
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174. - Yeah.
- Sorry. My phone cut out.
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175. Listen, I just went to the zoo.
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176. Yeah, they already called
and said you'd been there.
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177. That's how fast word travels down here.
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178. Um, I'm gonna—
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179. I don't want anybody getting Jeff
all riled up.
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180. All right.
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181. You don't understand
These people are dangerous.
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182. What is it? It's not obvious?
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183. You're not gonna notice, huh? Okay.
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184. Joe is the man who started this place...
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185. about 20 years ago.
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186. And he has just recently retired.
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187. Now we have new owners,
and they're awesome.
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188. I was a little nervous about it,
I'll admit,
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189. but they are awesome
and easygoing, so it's all good.
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190. Customers would ask where Joe was.
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191. Is he coming back?
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192. "Oh, he retired..."
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193. is what the workers were told to say.
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194. As soon as he was gone,
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195. anything and everything that had his image
went on the burn pile.
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196. Word on the street is that Joe left
to get his ass out of trouble.
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197. The day after Joe left,
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198. Jeff and Lauren pulled together
the morning meeting
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199. and they said,
"Look, Joe Exotic is going down."
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200. Instantly, I just have an icy cold
stabbing feeling going through my heart.
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201. It was just... "Christ Almighty,
what has Joe gotten into?"
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202. Joe's MIA.
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203. - Lot of rumors going around he—
- Wait, are you filming?
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204. - You're getting sound?
- Yup.
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205. Somebody better be rolling.
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206. Joe used money from the zoo,
running for president and governor.
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207. Is Joe nervous about that?
I don't know. I mean...
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208. Only Joe knows the truth,
so he's either nervous about that
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209. or he's nervous about
getting his ass kicked, I don't know.
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210. What are some of the rumors?
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211. Supposedly, I guess he hired...
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212. he solicited somebody
to kill Carole Baskin.
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213. I'm just saying this from hearsay
because I don't know for a fact.
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214. I'm almost positive
that's why the Feds are sniffing around.
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215. I mean, we've all said it.
"Somebody needs to kill the bitch."
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216. I can't tell you how many times
everybody said it.
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217. You know, nobody's ever just really said
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218. how they're gonna kill 'em.
They just said,
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219. "I wish somebody'd kill that bitch.
I wish the bitch was dead."
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220. - You just heard it a lot.
- From who?
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221. From all— I mean, from everybody.
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222. I've even said it before.
I wish the bitch were dead.
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223. There was times
that Joe would joke around about it,
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224. about taking out Carole Baskin.
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225. Joe had some pretty twisted ideas,
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226. but... I just took it as jokes.
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227. Do I believe that Joe
hired someone to kill someone? No.
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228. No, Joe doesn't have that in him, one bit.
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229. But do I believe that
Joe had a conversation with someone
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230. and said, "Man, I wish Carole was dead"?
Absolutely. He said it a hundred times.
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231. One time I was in the park,
and Joe's talking to me.
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232. He says, "Hey, I hear you can take care of
a problem for me in Florida."
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233. I said, "What problem would that be?"
He said, "Carole Baskin."
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234. I said, "No, I can't.
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235. I can't and I won't."
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236. Being around him,
and I was around him quite a bit,
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237. you see sides of him.
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238. When I do become psychotic,
that's my "going to Tampa" gun.
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239. You really couldn't tell with Joe
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240. if he was serious
or wasn't serious half the time.
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241. Do you think Joe was acting
entirely alone?
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242. Some people who were working
with Joe were criminals.
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243. Jeff Lowe is a felon.
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244. He's done numerous things.
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245. I know he strangled his first wife
in the past.
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246. Allen, Jeff Lowe's right-hand man,
he's a felon.
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247. I don't know for a fact,
but James Garretson ought to be a felon.
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248. Not only did he get in trouble
for pulling a gun on somebody,
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249. this the same man
that sold me a stolen Hummer...
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250. and till this day,
I still think there's a case pending
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251. in Garvin county over it.
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252. They're just all crooked, you know?
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253. There's a bunch of rats
in the neighborhood.
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254. - James. What's happening?
- What's going on?
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255. Not much.
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256. - How's business?
- It's not bad.
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257. It's a grind like everything else.
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258. Just grind, grind, grind.
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259. I heard that Joe tried to hire someone
to kill Carole.
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260. He's been trying to get somebody
to kill Carole for years, all right?
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261. When Jeff came along...
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262. everybody thought Jeff was
this multi-millionaire
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263. and had all this money... Blah, blah.
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264. And whenever Jeff got around,
Joe got a big head and...
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265. those two...
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266. were trying to get Carole whacked.
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267. Why are you so convinced of that?
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268. Because I was the only one there.
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269. You were actually there?
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270. Yeah.
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271. The first time I met
and discussed the whole murder for hire,
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272. we were sitting in the meeting.
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273. Joe is in his little office back there.
Jeff Lowe is right here,
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274. and they were talking about
the easiest way to kill Carole.
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275. Hey, all you cool cats and kittens,
it's Carole from Big Cat Rescue and I...
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276. It was a day where she was riding
her bicycle down a bicycle path,
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277. and she's riding like
the Wicked Witch of the West,
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278. and Joe says, "Look at this bitch.
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279. She rides this entire bike trail
and there's nobody around."
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280. He says, "That's where you gotta hit her.
That's where I gotta get her.
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281. Somebody take a shot from the bushes,
and get her right there."
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282. And then Jeff Lowe goes
to Google Earth and...
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283. shows the bike path
right by Big Cat Rescue and stuff.
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284. And he's like, "You can sit right here
and then shoot her while she's riding."
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285. So Jeff Lowe knew more about
the schematics than anything.
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286. That was because
I was the only one smart enough
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287. to bring up the picture on Google Earth
and show it to Travis.
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288. Travis says, "I can shoot her from there,
I can shoot her from there." Joe's like,
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289. "You're not shooting her
because you're my husband
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290. and you'll go to jail forever."
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291. I was back at my desk
minding my own business...
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292. because none of that's on my computer.
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293. It's all Jeff Lowe,
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294. but Jeff Lowe's had time
to remove that all from his computer now.
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295. Joe talked about
killing this woman...
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296. if it wasn't a daily basis,
it was definitely every week.
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297. He says, "Well, the bitch still lives
another day,"
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298. and he says, "I'll find somebody."
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299. He just wasn't shy about it.
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300. Well...
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301. Joe brought it up several times.
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302. Did I know anybody
that could kill the lady?
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303. I just put it off, as y'know, bullshit.
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304. I came in the office one day,
and he's like,
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305. "I got this crossbow.
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306. You could use this on her nature trail,
wherever she walks.
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307. You could shoot her with this,
nobody'd ever see you."
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308. I'm like, "What the fuck?"
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309. Okay, I can see me walking
around Florida with a fucking...
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310. camouflage suit on, okay.
But a fucking crossbow?
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311. Gimme a break.
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312. Allen Glover, he's an old time employee
of Jeff. Jeff knows him real well.
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313. Supposedly since he has a teardrop tattoo,
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314. he's killed somebody before.
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315. Joe came to me one day.
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316. Just out of the blue he says,
"You think Allen can kill somebody?"
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317. I said, "Is he capable of it?"
I said, "Of course. Who's not?"
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318. I said, "I'll cut her fucking head off
for ya if you want."
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319. And he was all into that.
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320. I said, "Would you like me
to bring it back?"
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321. "No, no, get rid of it in the swamp!"
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322. I was like, "Okay...
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323. Will do."
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324. So Joe put a picture
of her property on Facebook
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325. and it said,
"Finally found where the bitch lives."
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326. What the fuck are you doing, you know?
What are you, stupid?
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327. I love the cute hat!
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328. Truth be told,
it'd be better for the animal industry
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329. if Carole was dead.
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330. Little hearts on the bottom.
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331. But it started to concern me enough
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332. when I realized that Joe has become
a complete liability.
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333. We're not done yet.
We're still gonna dig up Carole's ass.
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334. Before I'm done with this,
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335. I'm gonna have the bitch's head in a jar.
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336. Joe probably thought I was loyal to him
and I would never turn on him.
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337. I told Lauren, I said, "You know what?
I'm calling James Garretson
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338. and I want to meet."
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339. So Jeff Lowe decided,
"Hey, let's meet at Applebee's."
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340. Jeff Lowe claims
Joe's doing all this illegal stuff.
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341. He said, "I want to get rid of that zoo.
I want to get out of that headache."
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342. And I said, "Call Carole Baskin
and tell her for half a million bucks,
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343. I will hand her Joe on a silver platter
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344. with all the crimes
I know he's committed."
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345. I said, "Sure I'll do it."
He offered me $100,000 to do it.
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346. Carole's phone rang
and saw that it was the 405 number
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347. and did not answer it,
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348. and then a text came in that said,
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349. "If you want information against Joe,
return the call."
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350. We sent that to the law enforcement.
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351. I waited another day,
and then I get a call.
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352. I'm like, "Who is this?"
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353. And he says, "I'm special agent
Matt Brown, US Fish and Wildlife."
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354. I'm like, "Really?"
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355. Special agents
of the Fish and Wildlife Service
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356. have very similar powers to FBI agents.
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357. It's just they're mostly focused
on animals, not people.
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358. This agent shows up here at my shop.
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359. We talk.
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360. He's like,
"You're in a lot of fucking trouble."
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361. For what reason?
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362. Well, here's the deal.
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363. I don't have anything to do
with any of this.
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364. Other than the lemur
I got my ass in a pinch,
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365. and the Feds fucking twisted my arm
over that and shit.
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366. I had bought a lemur with bogus paperwork.
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367. They said, you know,
I'm probably going to get a charge.
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368. My lawyer told me,
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369. "You got to do what they want.
They got your fucking ass hammered."
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370. I don't agree with the laws.
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371. I hate the fucking USDA.
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372. I don't like the government.
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373. That's me personally, but—
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374. What do you fucking do?
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375. I thought about it for a couple weeks,
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376. and I was like,
"Do I want to get involved in this?"
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377. And I thought it was
the noble thing to do.
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378. So, I signed up to be
a confidential informant.
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379. I was told to record
all conversations with Joe and Jeff.
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380. Had to keep track of 'em and figure out
what they were planning.
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381. Who is James Garretson in all of this,
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382. and why is he working for the Feds?
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383. What?
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384. That's news for me.
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385. I would say James Garretson's involvement
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386. is to get himself out of trouble,
if he's involved.
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387. He's got so much on him, he don't know
how he was going to get out of it,
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388. so he come up with
all this undercover stuff
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389. just to cover his own ass.
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390. This has nothing to do
with that lemur.
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391. James is the mastermind
behind illegal credit cards.
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392. He sold John Reinke a stolen Hummer.
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393. As far as I know they could've busted him
with a whole bunch of stolen shit.
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394. Everything about him is a lie.
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395. The man is just
a walking Chucky doll, dude.
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396. If I stole a Hummer,
don't you think I'd be charged? Come on.
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397. The guy's delusional.
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398. So back in 2017,
Joe was just running for office.
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399. Everybody looked at him like a clown.
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400. He could put his face on billboards,
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401. have a limousine to carry himself around,
he can be the big hero,
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402. but he's really trying to find somebody
to kill Carole Baskin.
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403. All I knew
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404. is Joe had already picked Allen Glover
for the hit.
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405. So I told the FBI
Glover was gonna actually do it.
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406. Nobody at the park knew about
the undercover stuff.
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407. Not even Jeff Lowe.
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408. TAMPA, FLORIDA
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409. I was sitting at my desk
when the phone rang,
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410. and it was the FBI.
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411. They felt there was an effort by Joe
to kill Carole.
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412. So when I'm told,
"Well there's a credible threat now,"
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413. I'm like, "There's been a credible threat
all this time.
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414. You just caught on to it
in the last few days."
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415. We were aware that this was a possibility.
It's just that call
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417. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
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418. We reached out to Ms. Baskin
in, I want to say, November of 2017.
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420. some recorded phone calls
and conversations
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421. between Mr. Garretson
and Mr. Maldonado-Passage
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422. indicating that there was, in fact,
a plot coming together.
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423. If Mr. Glover was leaving
to commit this murder,
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424. Mr. Garretson would have knowledge
of that.
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425. First I heard
that Glover was gonna knife her.
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426. And then I heard a gun.
Joe, he didn't really get into detail.
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427. I think he was just leaving that
up to the hit man.
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428. And when I talked to Glover,
Glover was mean and nasty.
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429. He said, "If anybody at the park
rats me out, or whatever,
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430. I'll kill every one
of these motherfuckers."
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431. And he was drinking a lot,
doing a lot of cocaine.
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432. When you're in that state...
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433. and he didn't have anything to lose,
you know?
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434. The plan was...
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435. Hide. Hunt.
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436. Find this woman.
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437. And Joe fucking put his trust in me
to do it.
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438. Carole stopped riding her bicycle
to and from.
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439. We put in security cameras.
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440. We kept guns by the bed,
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441. and we carried guns in our car.
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442. I got out of my car to get gas
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443. and this guy starts coming toward me.
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444. The whole time he's approaching me
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445. I'm thinking,
"At what point is he close enough
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446. that I should just turn this gas nozzle
into his face?"
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447. And naturally,
if someone is approaching you,
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448. now you're thinking,
"Could this be the hit man?"
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449. And then Allen Glover disappeared.
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450. Fish and Game guys were like,
"Fuck, what's going on?"
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451. They didn't want him to get down there
and kill Carole
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452. because they knew about it.
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453. They could arrest him.
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454. I had heard through the whistle-blowers
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455. that one of Joe's tacks
that he would take against me
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456. would be to drug me with ketamine,
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457. which is a paralyzing agent
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458. so that they could put me
into the back of a car
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459. and drive me out into a swamp,
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460. where they could cut my body into pieces.
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461. We were just trying to track
Glover's whereabouts,
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462. like where he's at. Was he down in Tampa?
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463. But he's not responding.
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464. So it was a big shit show.
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465. I knew that he was out there.
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466. I knew that he was deranged.
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467. I knew that somebody really wants me dead.
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468. There was a noise out on our porch,
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469. which is right outside where our bed is.
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470. It sounded like
someone had broken through the screen,
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471. and I woke up to see Carole there,
holding her gun,
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472. - and it turned out to be two—
- Dang near shot the neighbor's dog.
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473. You don't have to worry about
the barking dog
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474. so much as the one that's quiet.
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475. Those are the people that worry me.
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476. Eventually, I made contact
with Allen Glover.
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477. I was just supposed to small talk
with him.
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478. No matter what I really said,
just to keep him talking.
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479. All the text messages were given
to the government.
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480. GOING BACK HOME
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481. TIRED OF THIS SHIT.
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482. The conversation
that had occurred with Mr. Glover
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483. seemed to indicate that plot was over.
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484. Mr. Glover was just going back home
to South Carolina,
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485. and the agents agreed
this plot had fallen apart.
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486. Apparently, I chickened the fuck out
and didn't make it there.
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487. I started partying instead.
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488. I was pretty fucking scatterbrained.
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489. It's fucked up, the way things happened,
but it happened out for the best.
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490. At that point, the case stopped.
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491. Glover ended up
in a totally different state.
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492. In murder for hire,
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493. the federal prosecutors
don't wanna bring a case
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494. unless it's rock solid,
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495. and to get to that point,
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496. things have to happen
like transfer of money.
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497. I thought the plot stopped with Glover,
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498. but the Feds wanted me to put in
an undercover agent.
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499. I picked him up, we rode in my car.
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500. I was like, "Hey, Joe, this is my guy.
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501. This is the guy
who will whack Carole for you."
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502. "Really? How much?"
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503. They did discuss various details
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504. that Mr. Passage should buy
some burner phones,
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505. or that Mr. Passage should obtain
an unregistered pistol from a flea market,
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506. and that he would pay him
some upfront money.
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507. We started out at 5,000 down
and 5,000 when she's dead.
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508. "Well, let me sell some tigers,
and I'll get you $10,000."
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509. He was negotiating.
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510. He was trying to get the best deal.
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511. They discussed in detail:
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512. "Follow her into a parking lot,
cap her, and drive off."
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513. They had the talk,
and then they negotiated the price,
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514. and... that was the wrap.
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515. But why did you need
a special agent to pose as a hit man?
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516. That was gonna be
the nail in the coffin...
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517. but there was supposed to be payment.
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518. The government doesn't have any evidence
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519. that Mr. Passage actually obtained
any of the phones or the pistol,
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520. and certainly
that he did not give any money
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521. to the undercover agent.
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522. Over the ensuing months,
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523. I would just check in with the FBI
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524. and make sure that this was still active
and happening.
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525. We kept waiting for the arrest,
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526. but there were months
where nothing happened.
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527. It just dragged on forever,
and it wasn't gonna happen.
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528. So we all thought
they backed off the plan.
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529. So about the same time
that the FBI was waiting on Joe,
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530. Jeff was dealing with all the problems
in Vegas.
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531. I am adjudicating you guilty.
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532. You will stay out of trouble.
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533. That means no illegal activity.
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534. If not, you will serve the 179 days.
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535. Do you understand my orders?
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536. I do.
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537. The judge says,
"Stay out of trouble for a year."
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538. We loaded up stuff and we left.
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539. When we came back here from Las Vegas,
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540. I had one of my semi-daily conversations
with James Garretson.
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541. 'Cause we were kind of close at the time.
We talked quite a bit.
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542. I told Jeff some things
that were in confidence.
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543. Like what?
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544. I said, "I'm working undercover
with the Feds and Fish and Game."
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545. I told him that they already knew about
the plan to kill Carole Baskin.
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546. They knew everybody involved.
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547. And I said, "Why haven't they come to me?"
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548. And he says, "They want to."
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549. I asked him if he wanted to cooperate
and he said...
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550. I'm dying to talk to them
and tell them what I know.
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551. When Jeff Lowe got in trouble
in Las Vegas,
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552. he was looking at jail time there
and a big fine.
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553. I promise you, he's trying
to squash that bullshit in Las Vegas
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554. by feeding them Joe. I mean,
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555. there's a motive behind their madness,
I promise you.
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556. I trusted James.
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557. And he said, "Look, they asked me
to bring Joe a hit man,"
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558. and had Joe
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559. pulled a five dollar bill
out of his pocket as a deposit...
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560. that would have been the impetus
to storm the park,
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561. but because he didn't commit
the overt act of...
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562. of actually paying,
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563. they had to wait.
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564. It was right after that I told James
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565. that the day before Allen left,
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566. Joe paid him to go kill Carole.
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567. James brought the FBI,
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568. and I started spilling my guts.
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569. The Feds had me call Allen
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570. and try to find out Allen's side
of the story.
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571. And he says, "Can you get me immunity?"
I said, "I can't."
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572. I said, "That's not my position." I said,
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573. "But the closest thing you're gonna get
to immunity
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574. is if you come back
and help these guys,"
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575. I said, "because they don't want you,
they want Joe."
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576. - They know all about Joe.
- Right.
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577. What I recommend strongly...
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578. You don't wanna be on Joe's side
when this comes down.
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579. You wanna be on the government's side.
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580. - I gotcha.
- What that— What that means...
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581. is you've gotta tell me, like,
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582. when he, I don't wanna put any words
in your mouth, so...
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583. like, let's just say from
the very first time he approached you,
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584. what he said, and I'll let you go.
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585. He would ask me, "Hey bro,
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586. "you know anybody to go kill
that woman for me?"
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587. What did he offer in exchange?
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588. Well, he was supposed to give me
$5,000 cash to leave with.
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589. But it's your understanding,
when he gave you that money,
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590. he did it for the purpose of you going
down to Tampa and killing Carole Baskin.
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591. Yeah, he gave me three grand.
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592. Supposed to get $5,000,
but he only got three.
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593. But that wasn't about the fucking money.
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594. It was about fucking him over.
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595. Allen is Jeff's right-hand man.
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596. That's what makes no sense to all this.
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597. I'm going to hire
a $3,000 crackhead to kill her?
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598. But I knew something was going
to come down sooner or later
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599. because Jeff and James
was con-artist buddies.
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600. They record everything.
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601. Because that's how they blackmail you.
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602. You're fucked.
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603. And you know how you thought
James recorded you? You're right.
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604. You are going to jail.
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605. You'll hide all of this shit.
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606. And then just tell me
what you want me to hear.
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607. What am I hiding?
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608. You paid somebody
to kill Carole Baskin.
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609. That is not
what I was talking about.
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610. When I started asking him about
where the money came from for the hit man,
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611. you know, he didn't want to answer,
he just turned his head.
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612. I think that was the straw
that broke the camel's back.
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613. Not that he wasn't already planning
on leaving,
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614. but that's why he packed up and left.
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615. The government did not know
that Mr. Glover had, in fact,
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616. been given money by Mr. Passage,
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617. that he had given him a cellphone
with photos of Carole Baskin.
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618. None of that was known to the government
until July of 2018.
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619. That was obviously new information,
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620. and we indicted him.
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621. During the summer of 2018,
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622. Mr. Passage had moved to a house
within Oklahoma
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623. and then rapidly broken his lease,
packed up his things, and moved.
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624. His social media posts seemed to be
designed to indicate
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625. that he was in Belize
and that he was not where he was.
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626. I had seen online all the pictures
showing that they were in Belize.
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627. I figured it was because
he didn't want to be around any of it,
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628. and he was hiding from everybody.
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629. Before the Feds even said anything,
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630. I knew the picture in Belize was bullshit.
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631. I was like, "That's Florida water.
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632. That's Panhandle water."
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633. We all knew they were in Florida.
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634. The Feds want you, they're gonna get you.
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635. You can't hide.
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636. The Fish and Wildlife and FBI
had obtained phone numbers
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637. that were believed to be associated with
Mr. Passage,
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638. and they do what they call
pinging his phones off of cell towers
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639. to try to determine his location.
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640. And with the assistance
of some local law enforcement,
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641. he was arrested in a parking lot.
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642. He said, "At 10:45,
I pull into the hospital parking lot,
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643. parked the truck and
as I'm approaching the main entrance,
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644. five cars and trucks surround me,
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645. and one Gulf Breeze officer screams,
'Get on the ground.'
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646. Three large officers kneel on my back
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647. and all you could see
is the barrel of the gun.
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648. You would've thought
they just caught Ted Bundy."
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649. "Somehow, some way,
I'm going to make this up to you.
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650. I've never been more proud of
being married to anyone
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651. as I am of you. Let's hope—
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652. Let's hope this all works out in Oklahoma.
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653. Just never forget I love you."
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654. What would you say to Joe now
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655. - if you could talk to him about—
- I would just hug him.
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656. You know,
that's what he needs.
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657. He doesn't have any contact,
and he's a very affectionate man.
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658. So I would definitely just hug him
as tight as I could.
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659. Hey, everyone.
It's Carole at Big Cat Rescue.
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660. Today,
Joseph Schreibvogel-Maldonado-Passage,
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661. also known as Joe Exotic,
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662. was arrested for seeking to hire someone
to murder me.
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663. We are enormously grateful
to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service,
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664. the FBI for the many months
of incredibly hard work
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665. that went into this investigation.
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666. KARMA
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667. Joseph Maldonado-Passage,
perhaps better known as Joe Exotic—
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668. - Joe Exotic—
- Joe Exotic—
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669. Joe Exotic—
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670. The well-known 55-year-old
former zoo owner
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671. was taken into custody today.
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672. Maldonado-Passage
is being held without bond
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673. and was appointed a public defender
by a federal magistrate judge today.
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674. A court date has not yet been set.
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675. This pisses me off.
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676. He thinks he's above the law.
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677. I just can't believe
he actually paid somebody to do it.
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678. NEW AT 10:00
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679. Hiya, Miss Silva, this is Joe Exotic
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680. from your local jail
in Chickasha, Oklahoma.
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681. Joe Exotic makes good TV.
He makes good news.
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682. Even if it's a train wreck,
you can't help but look.
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683. They strip you butt naked, put you
in a six-by-eight-foot concrete room
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684. with no windows, no blankets, no nothing.
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685. I am supposed to be in this country,
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686. born, raised...
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687. innocent until proven guilty.
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688. And I've been stripped off my clothes,
my rights, my identity, my dignity.
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689. You can't get him to stop talking,
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690. and if the cameras are rolling,
even better.
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691. Maldonado-Passage tells me
he has a mountain of evidence
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692. that will prove he was framed.
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693. He says he's just counting down the days
to his trial
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694. so he can tell his side of the story.
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695. Oh, I know what happened.
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696. I've got three felons that want my zoo.
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697. We are starting fresh,
all brand new stuff.
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698. Brand new attitudes. New employees.
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699. The reputation of this zoo will be just
dragged through the mud
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700. with this whole Joe fiasco.
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701. I want to get away from this...
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702. Joe Exotic-haunted place.
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703. So we're building a new zoo.
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704. I envision a great big four
or five million dollar zoo right now.
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705. Jeff Lowe asked me
if I wanted to be part of the new zoo.
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706. I told him where I would build a zoo.
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707. I'd build a zoo down in Thackerville
by the WinStar,
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708. so it's closer to the Texas border.
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709. Oklahoma's poor.
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710. You're gonna get all your customers
from Texas anyways.
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711. We found almost 40 acres
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712. about one mile behind the WinStar casino.
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713. Everything is gonna be huge,
it's gonna be open,
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714. it's gonna be the best
that our money can afford.
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715. We're gonna build that zoo in six months.
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716. Once we move,
it'll be a whole different ballgame.
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717. Everybody will be comfortable.
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718. It won't be no bullshit.
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719. It will be nice.
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720. Not like with Joe.
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721. God, I hate that bitch.
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722. Well, when I was told...
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723. the FBI was involved, I went,
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724. "Holy fucking shit."
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725. They went there and took my story
like three different times
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726. to make sure it was fuckin' accurate
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727. before they took it to the grand jury
or jury or whatever the hell it is.
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728. And all I did is like Jeff told me to do
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729. is just come and tell them exactly
what the fuck happened.
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730. And... thank God I did.
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731. I'd be sitting in there with fucking Joe.
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732. Let me show and tell
the whole thing.
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733. Because then you'll get it.
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734. Then you'll say, "Jesus fucking Christ,
why are you in jail?"
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