1. I use my music
as an escape from reality.Copy !req
2. This is what I do right here,
drive around and listen to myself singing.Copy !req
3. This is a prepaid call from...Copy !req
4. Joe Exotic.Copy !req
5. an inmate at the Grady County Jail.Copy !req
6. Me and CaroleCopy !req
7. made money off of each other.Copy !req
8. We became popular off of each otherCopy !req
9. because I was her
number one most wanted cub abuserCopy !req
10. that she could make money off of,Copy !req
11. and she was my number one
murdered-her-husbandCopy !req
12. and-fed-him-to-the-tigers-and...
crazy bitch out thereCopy !req
13. that I could make music videos
and shit about.Copy !req
14. All right,
we're gonna get Joe in there now.Copy !req
15. Oh, okay.Copy !req
16. God, this stinks! Hurry up!Copy !req
17. Come on, over here.Copy !req
18. If you don't think she's not making moneyCopy !req
19. off of me being in jail right now,
you're crazier than shit.Copy !req
20. Howard, this entire row of files
is all dedicated to Joe.Copy !req
21. Actually...Copy !req
22. this file cabinet...Copy !req
23. this is the current legal stuff...Copy !req
24. and... this one down here.Copy !req
25. Tilt up a bit, Michael.
We'll put it right there.Copy !req
26. Joe, let's have one right at this camera.Copy !req
27. - Come here.
- You got stills, Michael?Copy !req
28. Oh, it's a still camera?
Somebody get my...Copy !req
29. Wow, one with the mouth open
and everything.Copy !req
30. The more Joe got aware
of social media and how it worked,Copy !req
31. the more he realized that he needed
to work the name.Copy !req
32. Like, when you Google "big cat rescue,"Copy !req
33. it pulls up Big Cat Rescue
in Tampa, Florida.Copy !req
34. Do you know the power you have
if you search Google around the world,Copy !req
35. and you're the first choice every time?Copy !req
36. Hey, all you cool cats and kittens,
it's Carole at Big Cat Rescue...Copy !req
37. She is the one.Copy !req
38. She's the first choice every time,
supersedes all the zoos.Copy !req
39. She's at the top of all search.Copy !req
40. Most of the cats ate well today.Copy !req
41. Nat was a champ
and so was Frosty, the serval,Copy !req
42. except for no poop from Frosty.Copy !req
43. Joe started realizing that if he
made his name close to Big Cat Rescue,Copy !req
44. when they Google it,
it might pull him up first.Copy !req
45. Joe decidedCopy !req
46. that the way he would get back at us...Copy !req
47. was to rename his traveling showCopy !req
48. "Big Cat Rescue Entertainment."Copy !req
49. He did that as a ploy to help
his, uh, ratings on the Internet.Copy !req
50. Where did you get the name?
Where'd you get the idea?Copy !req
51. Big Cat Rescue Entertainment?Copy !req
52. I mean, we're the biggest center
in the United StatesCopy !req
53. who are rescuing big cats.Copy !req
54. Uh, and we entertain people, okay?Copy !req
55. Here's our logo, all right?Copy !req
56. And here is what he started using.Copy !req
57. Notice that the "Entertainment" below
is a bit faded,Copy !req
58. so you don't even see it.Copy !req
59. The snow leopard eyes was, at that time,
the masthead on our website,Copy !req
60. so he was copying that.Copy !req
61. I don't want to say
it's all the way similar,Copy !req
62. but, I mean, it definitely looked like it.Copy !req
63. Here, he was handing out a business card
that said, "Florida office",Copy !req
64. and had our area code and number
that forwarded to him.Copy !req
65. Yeah, he come up with a Florida address
and a Florida phone numberCopy !req
66. to help ping all that stuff together.Copy !req
67. And it worked.
People were contacting us and saying,Copy !req
68. "Hey, I didn't think you did
this sort of thing."Copy !req
69. Oh, that definitely pissed her off.
And then it just got worse.Copy !req
70. We couldn't sue him over the cub petting.Copy !req
71. We didn't have standing to do that.Copy !req
72. But we could sue him
for violating our copyright.Copy !req
73. We are now on the recordCopy !req
74. in the matter of Big Cat Rescue Corp.
versus Big Cat Rescue Entertainment.Copy !req
75. This is the videotape deposition of Joe...Copy !req
76. uh, "Shreeb-uh-vogel"?Copy !req
77. - Schreibvogel.
- Okay.Copy !req
78. Honestly, I thought it would end there.Copy !req
79. I thought he would look at that
and be smart enough to say,Copy !req
80. "You know what?
I don't want the expense of a lawsuit.Copy !req
81. I'll just stop using their name."Copy !req
82. He continued to use the name,Copy !req
83. and he filed counter claims
to drag this out.Copy !req
84. We built a website, 911AnimalAbuse.org.Copy !req
85. We put a reward out for information
leading to who killed DonCopy !req
86. or where Don's remains are.Copy !req
87. Why did you set that up?Copy !req
88. Why did I set that up?Copy !req
89. To start posting the truth
about Carole Baskin for a change.Copy !req
90. Is Don really under the septic tank?Copy !req
91. We tried to expose the fact
that she is scamming the public.Copy !req
92. I'm gonna stay on your ass so hard...Copy !req
93. that you're gonna end up in jail for fraud
before this is over with.Copy !req
94. Why did it take $47,652
to put on your Fur BallCopy !req
95. to only raise $45,000?Copy !req
96. This is just not true.Copy !req
97. I don't think Joe considers lying to be
a question of ethics.Copy !req
98. I think he would consider it
to be an art form.Copy !req
99. It was like the Hatfield and McCoy.Copy !req
100. They go at each other.Copy !req
101. "Oh, you did this!"Well, you did that!"Copy !req
102. "I got this!"I got that!"Copy !req
103. It's just a crazy little comedy
between exotic animal owners.Copy !req
104. She even got your big daddy cigar,
looky there.Copy !req
105. Oh, that's getting the phone to ringing.Copy !req
106. Joe Exotic was...Copy !req
107. everything I had dreamed of
in finding a reality show.Copy !req
108. - This morning we're shooting...
- ... publicity stills...Copy !req
109. for Joe Exotic Tiger King,
the reality show...Copy !req
110. in order to get the stills
that we need to send outCopy !req
111. to the news media
and everything else worldwideCopy !req
112. for the first episode of the show.Copy !req
113. And how should we set this thing up then,
knowing our poor angles...Copy !req
114. Rick Kirkham, he came to the zoo
as a producer for Joe's reality show.Copy !req
115. Joe had been trying,
and nobody could get it kicked off.Copy !req
116. Rick Kirkham promised him
he could get it done.Copy !req
117. Doing his little Internet shows
was only my way of getting into the zoo,Copy !req
118. because I had a camera crew shooting
a reality showCopy !req
119. behind the crews shooting
his Internet show.Copy !req
120. I could give a crap
about his Internet show.Copy !req
121. But that was the deal.Copy !req
122. He signed the contract.Copy !req
123. "I'll let you shoot a reality showCopy !req
124. if you'll go ahead and run my studio."Copy !req
125. Okay, people, stand by.
Fifteen seconds till showtime.Copy !req
126. - Stand by, video one.
- Video one is queued!Copy !req
127. Let's get Joe on the set.Copy !req
128. - Teleprompter...
- It worked out good for me.Copy !req
129. I was like, "Hell yeah, I'm gonna make
a million dollars off this reality show.Copy !req
130. I'll do your little piddly-ass
internet show."Copy !req
131. This is Joe Exotic's episode
of "Eaten Alive."Copy !req
132. Discovery Channel, here I come!Copy !req
133. I mean, it was a passion of his
to do a reality show.Copy !req
134. You know, gay man, owning a zoo,
toting a gun.Copy !req
135. He said it'll sell, for sure.Copy !req
136. Hey, I'm Joe Exotic,
otherwise known as The Tiger King.Copy !req
137. The gay, gun-carrying redneck
with a mullet.Copy !req
138. He was like a mythical character living
out in the middle of Bumfuck, Oklahoma,Copy !req
139. and owned 1,200 tigers and lions
and bears and monkeys and shit.Copy !req
140. We're shooting the reality show
in segments.Copy !req
141. In this morning's segment,
we would go into Joe's bedroom,Copy !req
142. get the alarm going off, Joe waking up...Copy !req
143. There was something so odd
about the man,Copy !req
144. and yet, he had so much confidenceCopy !req
145. because he owned the world in his head.Copy !req
146. Got you.Copy !req
147. All right, keep rolling, keep rolling.Copy !req
148. Now this is the kind of movies
we're gonna make here, okay?Copy !req
149. - Whoo!Copy !req
150. I'd settled on a title
of Joe Exotic, Tiger KingCopy !req
151. for the reality show.Copy !req
152. That's fucking heavy.Copy !req
153. I said, "Here's what I wanna do, Joe.
I'm gonna build a king's throne.Copy !req
154. Big, solid wood, red velvet,
the whole works,Copy !req
155. and I'm gonna put it in
the middle of a big tiger cageCopy !req
156. with all these tigers around you."Copy !req
157. And he's like, "Oh— Okay! I like that!"Copy !req
158. He wanted to be famous...Copy !req
159. more than he wanted anything else in life.Copy !req
160. Man, when he saw that footage,
he went wild.Copy !req
161. He's like, "I am the Tiger King!Copy !req
162. I've always been the Tiger King!"Copy !req
163. You can go in there and go into
the gift shop into his officeCopy !req
164. at eight, nine o'clock at night,
and hear this...Copy !req
165. and you go around,
and he was sitting there,Copy !req
166. playing this shot over and over
of him in this throne.Copy !req
167. Joe's ego was so big.Copy !req
168. Can you give me my whip?Copy !req
169. Way too big for his little body.Copy !req
170. Look into my eyes. No—Copy !req
171. He would have done anything
to become famous.Copy !req
172. I watched him fire peopleCopy !req
173. just because he knew
the camera was rolling.Copy !req
174. problem with that?Copy !req
175. Having the cameras run
on the morning meetings set Joe off.Copy !req
176. It was like lighting a firecracker.Copy !req
177. And if you think it's funny,Copy !req
178. you can pack
your shit and go right now!Copy !req
179. - I like—
- Because the disrespect around this placeCopy !req
180. is ending today!Copy !req
181. You're the slacker,
and you do less than anybody here.Copy !req
182. Ain't gonna work with me,
so you need to find a new job.Copy !req
183. He started getting so crazy to where
he had a rubber blow-up doll,Copy !req
184. and he would have "Carole"
written on a name tag on it,Copy !req
185. and he would take a dildo
and be shoving it in her mouth.Copy !req
186. "Carole, this is coming for you!
It's gonna catch up."Copy !req
187. I mean, it got crazy. Got crazy.Copy !req
188. She ain't going nowhere.Copy !req
189. You wanna know whyCopy !req
190. Carole Baskin better never, ever, everCopy !req
191. see me face-to-faceCopy !req
192. ever, ever, ever again?Copy !req
193. That is how sick
and tired of this shit I am.Copy !req
194. And this picture that you see back here,Copy !req
195. that's our sign-up front
with him posing in front of itCopy !req
196. with bullet holes in it.
It's like, this guy is just...Copy !req
197. unbelievable.Copy !req
198. We all tried to tell him,
"Knock it off, stupid."Copy !req
199. Y'know, all you're doing
is asking for a battle that you don't...Copy !req
200. Even if you do win,
it's still gonna cost so much time,Copy !req
201. so much money, so much everything.Copy !req
202. Bow down, tell her to go fuck herself
and walk the fuck out.Copy !req
203. But no, he didn't.Copy !req
204. He became more obsessed with all thatCopy !req
205. than he actually...Copy !req
206. took care of the cats that he had.Copy !req
207. I'm not trying to pat myself on the back
or anything, but I'm glad I was here.Copy !req
208. And then the rabbit picture
showed up on Facebook.Copy !req
209. I was given a picture via emailCopy !req
210. from a lady in FloridaCopy !req
211. of Big Cat Rescue's employeesCopy !req
212. bashing rabbits in the headCopy !req
213. and posing
like they're some kind of trophies,Copy !req
214. with big smiles on their face.Copy !req
215. This is what I got sued over.Copy !req
216. Does that look happy?Copy !req
217. Are you familiar with
one of your videos that you titledCopy !req
218. "Carole Baskin Saga 39:
Killing Innocent Rabbits"?Copy !req
219. Um...Copy !req
220. I remember doing 57 sagas
about Carole Baskin.Copy !req
221. I don't, right in front of me,
have what Saga 39 was about.Copy !req
222. But yes, I did some sagas
on Carole Baskin killing rabbits.Copy !req
223. It was back before we could
afford to give the whole prey to the catsCopy !req
224. as frequently as we do now.Copy !req
225. So, they're holding these rabbits
with blood on their noses,Copy !req
226. and they're grinning from ear to earCopy !req
227. because their favorite cat's
finally getting a rabbit,Copy !req
228. and yet, that has been twisted
into us being these horrific monstersCopy !req
229. that would get pleasure out of
hurting a rabbit.Copy !req
230. So, you know, that kind of stuff,
you're just like, "Ugh...Copy !req
231. really, do I have to explain this
to somebody?"Copy !req
232. She sued me for copyright.Copy !req
233. - Well, what'd you do?
- I posted it all over Facebook.Copy !req
234. This wasn't her photo, either.Copy !req
235. After I posted it, she paid five dollars
for the person that took this photo,Copy !req
236. and then, three months later,
she copyrighted it,Copy !req
237. and then, she sued me.Copy !req
238. The one lawsuit was about the rabbit photoCopy !req
239. and the other lawsuit was about
a bunch of photosCopy !req
240. where he would take a picture of CaroleCopy !req
241. and take her headCopy !req
242. and put it on the body of a man
in a diaper.Copy !req
243. This here's this picture
of this gooey thingCopy !req
244. and it says "Smile everyone!
Life could be worse.Copy !req
245. You could have a crotch like Carole does."Copy !req
246. I believe they had justCopy !req
247. slaughtered a horse,Copy !req
248. and this is the horse's penis
that he's holdingCopy !req
249. and it says "Hey, Howard,
suck my Captain Morgan, LOL."Copy !req
250. And by the way, that is a penis.
A horse penis.Copy !req
251. That... that was my recollection.Copy !req
252. We did a protest
in front of Carole's place.Copy !req
253. Big Cat Rescue kills its cats!Copy !req
254. - Let's find Don Lewis.
- Find Don Lewis.Copy !req
255. Every person who drove by
hollered, "Murderer."Copy !req
256. I don't even know
how you hold your head upCopy !req
257. in a community that thinks
you killed your husband.Copy !req
258. And at the time
that you were handing outCopy !req
259. these handouts with the photograph,Copy !req
260. which is Exhibit 1,
this lawsuit was already pending, correct?Copy !req
261. Mmm, yeah.Copy !req
262. And you were aware
that Big Cat Rescue...Copy !req
263. uh, did not approve of or authorize
your use of this photograph, correct?Copy !req
264. Yeah, except I didn't make these.Copy !req
265. But you participated
in the demonstrationCopy !req
266. and handed them out, correct?Copy !req
267. Yep. No, actually, I didn't hand them out.Copy !req
268. I'm the one in the bunny suit.Copy !req
269. Third page, you're the bunny?Copy !req
270. Put it on.Copy !req
271. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen!Copy !req
272. I'm Joe Exotic,Copy !req
273. and we're gonna make an honest woman
out of this bitch.Copy !req
274. - That's my opening.Copy !req
275. Wait a minute.
Wait a minute. Wait a minute.Copy !req
276. In early 2013,Copy !req
277. we were coming up
to this trial in January,Copy !req
278. and we had filed a motion
for summary judgment.Copy !req
279. And the judge announced
that she was granting our motion...Copy !req
280. and his counterclaims were going away.Copy !req
281. Oklahoma's home for live,
local, late-breaking coverage!Copy !req
282. An Oklahoma man
who goes by the name Joe ExoticCopy !req
283. has agreed to pay
a Florida animal sanctuaryCopy !req
284. nearly one million dollars to resolve
a trademark infringement lawsuit.Copy !req
285. You know the saying
that you get your day in court?Copy !req
286. Well, I don't feel
we got our day in court.Copy !req
287. Dirty politics is what I call it.Copy !req
288. She had to result
into financially draining us.Copy !req
289. You know, I actually believed in
the justice system there for a while,Copy !req
290. until this happened.Copy !req
291. The million-dollar judgment,
you know, I just thought she did itCopy !req
292. to make a point.Copy !req
293. "Look, I'm not gonna back down.Copy !req
294. You're not gonna intimidate me,
and you're not gonna have the final word."Copy !req
295. I was surprised that she was actually
trying to collect payment.Copy !req
296. Who has the millionsCopy !req
297. to spend that amount of time in court?
She did.Copy !req
298. She'll never get a million dollars
out of me. I don't own anything.Copy !req
299. I don't own anything.Copy !req
300. This bus is not mine.Copy !req
301. Those cars are not mine.Copy !req
302. I'm not stupid.Copy !req
303. She wanted everything in assets.Copy !req
304. From vehicles to four-wheelers
to... everything.Copy !req
305. She can take everything away from me.Copy !req
306. I don't give a shit because she will never
shut this mouth up, all right?Copy !req
307. Until the day I see her ass in prison.Copy !req
308. Joe, he turned over what he had to.Copy !req
309. 'Cause a lot of it was possessions.Copy !req
310. She took the semitruck,
and she took the tour bus,Copy !req
311. which, in her opinion, was a winCopy !req
312. because he couldn't do road shows anymore,
not without the equipment.Copy !req
313. He had already spent
a quarter million dollars fighting her.Copy !req
314. Carole had him by the balls,
and he hated her.Copy !req
315. God, he hated her.Copy !req
316. Did I hear you say you wanted
my fucking watch?Copy !req
317. Really? My watch?Copy !req
318. Any of the assets
that Carole wanted in the lawsuit,Copy !req
319. he would take out there
and blow it up with Tannerite.Copy !req
320. They tell me you want my goddamn bed too.Copy !req
321. God damn.Copy !req
322. He'd say,
"Here's your assets, come get 'em,"Copy !req
323. - and it'd just be a pile of crap.Copy !req
324. He never stopped antagonizing her.Copy !req
325. All I did constantly was:Copy !req
326. "Roll the camera,
roll the camera, roll the camera,"Copy !req
327. to get all that shit on tape.Copy !req
328. And I had everything on videotape,
good, bad, and ugly.Copy !req
329. I wanna make this show go.Copy !req
330. I know how great
this reality show could be.Copy !req
331. It's so unique.Copy !req
332. I just gotta get it on network.Copy !req
333. I've been living here on the zoo
and living and working,Copy !req
334. and I'm here at the zoo 24/7.Copy !req
335. I'm just tired. Very tired.Copy !req
336. We were negotiating with a network...Copy !req
337. uh, to buy the show.Copy !req
338. It would have netted him
quite a bit of money.Copy !req
339. 'Cause it's the only way
he was gonna pay that million dollars.Copy !req
340. But it came to a crashing halt.Copy !req
341. Oh, shit.Copy !req
342. Yeah, I got woked up
at six o'clock in the morning.Copy !req
343. Reinke came in, and these motherfuckers
had blown up our, uh...Copy !req
344. the studio.Copy !req
345. The blast was so big
that it blew the doors open.Copy !req
346. Joe had gone to Chicago for a funeral,Copy !req
347. and it was me and Reinke
on the park with the other crew,Copy !req
348. and Reinke says, "I ain't touching nothing
till the fire department gets here.Copy !req
349. I want it looked at."Copy !req
350. That building,
where the alligators were kept,Copy !req
351. as well as a studio that Joe had...
it was clearly an arson.Copy !req
352. It was a set fire.Copy !req
353. It had burned so hot,Copy !req
354. there was nothing left.Copy !req
355. I dropped to my knees and I cried.Copy !req
356. I cried because all of our footage
was in that studio,Copy !req
357. and I hadn't backed up anything
outside the studio.Copy !req
358. An arsonist hit our facilityCopy !req
359. and set fire to not only
my recording studio,Copy !req
360. but the studio that houses our alligators,Copy !req
361. which caused them all to burn up
and perish,Copy !req
362. boiling alive in a—Copy !req
363. Let's see.Copy !req
364. Boiling alive in an inferno,
a towering inferno?Copy !req
365. Boiling alive in a towering inferno
of nothing but flames and fire.Copy !req
366. For somebody to burn down
an alligator house,Copy !req
367. they gotta be a pretty sick person.Copy !req
368. Because they burned up...Copy !req
369. seven of my... crocodilians.Copy !req
370. If you have a problem with me,Copy !req
371. take it up with me, like a man.Copy !req
372. Don't burn live, innocent animals
to get your fucking point across.Copy !req
373. We're not really liked
by the animal world, you know,Copy !req
374. animal rights people hate us.Copy !req
375. We get constant threats on the phone,
e-mails, letters.Copy !req
376. We're offering a 10,000-dollar rewardCopy !req
377. for information leading to the arrest
and the convictionCopy !req
378. of either this suspect
or the people that were involved.Copy !req
379. If it is tied
to any animal rights organization,Copy !req
380. we are going to double that reward.Copy !req
381. Carole Baskin, crawl this fence
and try to hurt any of my animals again,Copy !req
382. you can guaran-goddamn-tee
I'm gonna put a cap in your assCopy !req
383. the first time,
to make you squirm around on the ground.Copy !req
384. And then I'mma put a bullet
right between your fucking eyes!Copy !req
385. I'm waitin' for 'em
to catch Carole Baskin in this.Copy !req
386. Because we got e-mails between her
and my producer.Copy !req
387. She offered him $20,000.Copy !req
388. Wait, wait,
she offered who $20,000?Copy !req
389. My producer.Copy !req
390. To do what?Copy !req
391. To get all the footage
and set fire to my studio.Copy !req
392. I had sent Rick Kirkham a Facebook message
and I said,Copy !req
393. "I think you probably don't know about
the person you're working for."Copy !req
394. Her intent was to warn him,Copy !req
395. but we never made him any kind of offerCopy !req
396. or asked him for anything.Copy !req
397. I got him on videotape.Copy !req
398. I swear that's Rick Kirkham
walking in front of the videoCopy !req
399. that morning that it burnt down.Copy !req
400. I was, like, in shock.Copy !req
401. I was like,
"Are you out of your fucking mind?"Copy !req
402. It was like, "That's my retirement
that just burned, okay?Copy !req
403. I got everything invested in that project
that no longer exists."Copy !req
404. As far as the footage,
I don't know who's got it.Copy !req
405. I suspected Kirkham
of taking all of his material.Copy !req
406. I was the one person Joe feared the mostCopy !req
407. because I was shooting everything
in his personal life...Copy !req
408. and could take what I saw and witnessed
and... and harm him with it.Copy !req
409. There was all kinds of shit on there.Copy !req
410. Reinke doing veterinary work
without a veterinarian.Copy !req
411. We had camerasCopy !req
412. on everybody every minute of the day.Copy !req
413. He could have sold it to Carole,Copy !req
414. and Carole could be,Copy !req
415. you know,Copy !req
416. just saving it for a rainy day.Copy !req
417. Fuck me, man!Copy !req
418. A scenario was thrown at me:Copy !req
419. do you think it could have been Joe?Copy !req
420. Because when that happened...Copy !req
421. he was out of town for a funeral.Copy !req
422. What better timing?Copy !req
423. Nobody would have ever suspected himCopy !req
424. of calling to have it burned down.Copy !req
425. All right.Copy !req
426. Follow me. Don't ever
put that camera down in there.Copy !req
427. - Hi guys.
- What's happening?Copy !req
428. What kind of problem is there, Joe?Copy !req
429. A week before
the studio burned to the ground,Copy !req
430. we had gotten into an argument,Copy !req
431. and he was like,
"You know, I don't need you.Copy !req
432. I can go on."Copy !req
433. And I pulled out our contract.Copy !req
434. I showed it to him.
I said, "Joe, when I came here,Copy !req
435. not only do I own all the reality footage,Copy !req
436. I own all of your Internet footageCopy !req
437. from the time I came here
that I produced."Copy !req
438. My producers
are filming a reality show.Copy !req
439. So they want to do a show
related to your park up there?Copy !req
440. They actually got it filmed.Copy !req
441. - Do they?
- Mm-hmm.Copy !req
442. And how are you protecting that?Copy !req
443. What do you mean?Copy !req
444. Well, if they've got it filmed,
what do they need you for?Copy !req
445. He blew up so bad
when I showed him that contract.Copy !req
446. He was like, "You don't own me!"Copy !req
447. I said, "Joe, actually I do right now.Copy !req
448. I do own this show. I do own it."Copy !req
449. - Where is the film?
- In my recording studio.Copy !req
450. - They don't have copies of it?
- No.Copy !req
451. Do you see what I'm saying, Joe?
- I hear you.Copy !req
452. - Just pisses me off, dude.
- I know.Copy !req
453. I'll find somebody that needs ten grand.Copy !req
454. Make a name for themselves.Copy !req
455. After the studio burned,
whether he destroyed it or not,Copy !req
456. it was gone.Copy !req
457. I remember walking over
and handing the camera to Reinke,Copy !req
458. and I just said, "I'm out of here, man."Copy !req
459. And he said, "Yeah, might as well
go on home."Copy !req
460. I got my dog.Copy !req
461. I got in my truck.Copy !req
462. I left everything I owned, and I drove,
and I left and went back to Dallas.Copy !req
463. I had a complete nervous breakdown.Copy !req
464. I was told by Joe and by Reinke,Copy !req
465. "If you step foot on the park again,
we'll have you arrested for trespassing."Copy !req
466. This fire happened at about the timeCopy !req
467. Joe had a judgment placed on him
from a lady in Florida.Copy !req
468. Some of the items within this fireCopy !req
469. were going to be under subpoena.Copy !req
470. And that was some hard drives
and... and some videotapeCopy !req
471. and thing like that,
and that might have been a motivationCopy !req
472. to maybe destroy some evidence.Copy !req
473. They might have shut me up
for just a little while,Copy !req
474. but let me tell you,
they've awoken a monster.Copy !req
475. Now Joe Exotic's pissed off.Copy !req
476. Be sure and get onlineCopy !req
477. and help us rebuild the voice
of you, the people,Copy !req
478. to bring Joe Exotic TV back to the air.Copy !req
479. Was it for the sympathy?Copy !req
480. Was it for...Copy !req
481. the attention?Copy !req
482. Oh, yeah.Copy !req
483. Joe did take advantage of a lot of people.Copy !req
484. That's why I think the fire
of the alligator habitat was a scam.Copy !req
485. When I first met Joe,Copy !req
486. we discussed what I would charge him
to rebuild at a decent rate.Copy !req
487. I only charged him $8,000Copy !req
488. to rebuild that $120,000 building.Copy !req
489. You didn't make any money.Copy !req
490. - No.
- Why'd you do it?Copy !req
491. For the animals.Copy !req
492. I mean, I got to pet cats that peopleCopy !req
493. wasn't even supposed to be
putting their hands in around.Copy !req
494. Five months ago,Copy !req
495. an arsonist poured enough accelerant
in thereCopy !req
496. to where it completely exploded
the buildingCopy !req
497. and burned the building
down to the ground.Copy !req
498. I would like to thank the people
from all over the worldCopy !req
499. who don't even know us
that dug deep in their pocketsCopy !req
500. in order to rebuild this great
G.W. Exotic Animal Alligator Facility.Copy !req
501. Our investigation never did come
to anything definitive.Copy !req
502. So, the case is still open.Copy !req
503. Again, it's clearly an arson fire.Copy !req
504. I got great news for you.Copy !req
505. JoeExotic.TV returns to the air.Copy !req
506. We're gonna expose the lies,
the corruption, and we are...Copy !req
507. That building contained computersCopy !req
508. that held information
that we were seeking.Copy !req
509. I suspect that Joe was responsibleCopy !req
510. for having someone burn down the building,Copy !req
511. but I have no firsthand knowledge,
and I can't prove it.Copy !req
512. How much has this cost you,
this lawsuit between you and Joe?Copy !req
513. We've spent over a million dollars
in legal fees.Copy !req
514. You're kidding. Is it worth it?Copy !req
515. Well, if this were a purely
commercial situation, it wouldn't.Copy !req
516. You'd say this is not economic,Copy !req
517. but this is part of our mission,
to put a stop to this.Copy !req
518. And we're not going to allow him
to abuse the systemCopy !req
519. and wear us out and cause us to go away
and succeed at that.Copy !req
520. You know,
if you've got the money...Copy !req
521. If you've got the money,Copy !req
522. you usually find yourself
on the right side.Copy !req
523. She's got deep pockets.Copy !req
524. I don't know if she wants the facility,
or if she wants the facility shut down.Copy !req
525. But any way you look at it,
she wants to take over the zoo.Copy !req
526. When Joe pretty much maxed out
all the credit cardsCopy !req
527. is when he asked me if I wanted
to put the zoo into my name,Copy !req
528. and at the time,
it sounded like a good idea.Copy !req
529. I'm John Finlay,
and I'm president of the G.W. Zoo.Copy !req
530. Three, two, one.Copy !req
531. Hi, I'm John Finlay,
and I'm president of the G.W. Ex—Copy !req
532. G.W. Zoo. It's real simple.Copy !req
533. Right on.Copy !req
534. They've done so many transfers
and quick claim deeds, you can't—Copy !req
535. No one can keep track of it,
not even an attorney.Copy !req
536. You can go down to the courthouse and ask.Copy !req
537. If you just say
the last name Schreibvogel,Copy !req
538. they just take a deep breath
and look at you.Copy !req
539. Joe kept thinking if he changed the name,
it would just derail them and derail them.Copy !req
540. Well, it didn't.
They just moved it to another lawsuit.Copy !req
541. Carole Baskin's lawyers are vicious,Copy !req
542. and they go after anybody involved.Copy !req
543. She sued me also,
just 'cause I was at the zoo.Copy !req
544. It was in the works that
I was going to be sued at the same time.Copy !req
545. So, everybody that had been involved
all got drug into court.Copy !req
546. Joe's parents, Francis and Shirley...Copy !req
547. Their name,
Shirley's name is on everything.Copy !req
548. The trailers, the water bill,
the electric bill,Copy !req
549. the cable, you know, cable bills.Copy !req
550. Through the proceedings about the landCopy !req
551. and fraudulent transfer to his mother,Copy !req
552. the bankruptcy trustee went after her.Copy !req
553. She sues my mom
for illegal transfer of assets.Copy !req
554. Okay? Mom dumpsCopy !req
555. hundreds of thousands
of dollars into defending herself.Copy !req
556. Instead of being in a tiger cage today,Copy !req
557. I'm... in a downtown area
of Oklahoma City.Copy !req
558. Thanks to Carole Baskin for dragging us
all out of bed this morningCopy !req
559. and sticking my mom at the very top
of that building right thereCopy !req
560. in order to fuck with her.Copy !req
561. Using a federal court in order to do that.Copy !req
562. Between the park and the lawsuit,Copy !req
563. Mom ran out of money.Copy !req
564. Carole bankrupted 'em.Copy !req
565. Hello, good afternoon
to everybody in the nation.Copy !req
566. I want to thank you with my whole heartCopy !req
567. for all the support and help you have doneCopy !req
568. to get me and my husband out of the mess
we were in with this attorney.Copy !req
569. They come banging on my door
with the sheriffCopy !req
570. and demanding the whole sum of moneyCopy !req
571. or else they were going to come in
and confiscate all the furnitureCopy !req
572. right then and there.Copy !req
573. And I know from the bottom of my heart,Copy !req
574. Carole Baskin down in FloridaCopy !req
575. is behind a lot of thisCopy !req
576. because she's been harassing us
right along with JoeCopy !req
577. for years,Copy !req
578. because she's so greedy,Copy !req
579. and she's so jealous of what he has made
of his animal parkCopy !req
580. when hers is nothing.Copy !req
581. It's... "Mom, pay for this attorney."Copy !req
582. That's every phone call.
"Mom, I need some money for this."Copy !req
583. Like 300-something.Copy !req
584. I went down to the courthouseCopy !req
585. and got a copy of one of the deeds,
and I said,Copy !req
586. "Grandma, are you aware
that this happened?"Copy !req
587. And she said, "Well, he shoved a paper
in front of me and told me to sign.Copy !req
588. I didn't think anything of it."Copy !req
589. Joe drained them dry.Copy !req
590. I told Joe,
"How're you gonna make money?Copy !req
591. "How are you gonna make money?"Copy !req
592. He didn't have any other way to make money
other than cub petting.Copy !req
593. So he had to breed.Copy !req
594. She's pushing another one out.
You need to be filming her ass.Copy !req
595. See that cub come out
with that camera.Copy !req
596. Zoom in on her ass.Copy !req
597. At that point, Joe was really desperate.Copy !req
598. He was gonna lose the zoo.
Carole was gonna take it.Copy !req
599. She's panting hard.Copy !req
600. I know she's panting hard,
but she's having a cub.Copy !req
601. You'll see, watch her ass.Copy !req
602. Get me a hole cut.Copy !req
603. There's a towel in my car. Go get it!Copy !req
604. Careful. Careful.Copy !req
605. Everything's all right.
Everybody calm down. It'll be all right.Copy !req
606. Just do
what you're supposed to do.Copy !req
607. Female.Copy !req
608. They just never stop screaming.Copy !req
609. I had to finally go sleep
in that studio yesterday.Copy !req
610. It was the only way to muffle it.Copy !req
611. It still costs 60,000 to 70,000 dollars
a month just to feed all these animals.Copy !req
612. You gonna let them in
or you gonna stand there?Copy !req
613. There's only 5 buckets of meat
in there and there's 14 cats in here.Copy !req
614. All we've got is
one barrel of meat right now.Copy !req
615. That's all we've got.Copy !req
616. So they all getting half buckets?Copy !req
617. It's the Walmart meat trucks
have sucked lately.Copy !req
618. We don't even have enough meat
to do the wolves. This is ridiculous.Copy !req
619. - Ah, no.Copy !req
620. Maintenance. It's like putting a band-aid
on everything every day.Copy !req
621. I don't even have bear buckets today.Copy !req
622. I got one ham.Copy !req
623. We got chicken coming, so...Copy !req
624. You can feed heavy.Copy !req
625. Things got so bad,Copy !req
626. we started negotiating with Carole
and Howard on how to get out of it.Copy !req
627. And that's when
I had mediation with HowardCopy !req
628. to try and settle the bullshit,Copy !req
629. you know, the lawsuit and everything.Copy !req
630. The prospect of collectingCopy !req
631. a million dollars from Joe
was not real high,Copy !req
632. and I was willing to make concessions.Copy !req
633. He pointed out
that his cash flow is very seasonal,Copy !req
634. that he has few visitors in the winter.Copy !req
635. What if we take these monthly paymentsCopy !req
636. and make them lower in the winter
and bigger in the summer.Copy !req
637. So, there were four
or five issues like thatCopy !req
638. that I was willing to accommodate.Copy !req
639. We basically had a deal.Copy !req
640. Me and Howard
came to an agreement.Copy !req
641. And then, he got Carole
on the phone.Copy !req
642. And Carole got greedy.Copy !req
643. She wanted my mom and dad's house
as collateral.Copy !req
644. That was a deal-breaker.Copy !req
645. Carole Baskin,Copy !req
646. you've already stripped me
of just about everything I own.Copy !req
647. And you're gonna have to kill me
to shut me up...Copy !req
648. because I'm gonna die a hero...Copy !req
649. and I'm gonna liberate...Copy !req
650. the animal world.Copy !req
651. It will be a cold day in hell
before you beat me.Copy !req
652. God is in control.Copy !req
653. So he'll either pull me through this or...Copy !req
654. he won't.Copy !req
655. Jeff Lowe came on the scene
sometime in 2015.Copy !req
656. He just brought the persona
that he was gonna save the zoo,Copy !req
657. so we dubbed him "the Godfather."Copy !req
658. He says he's rich.Copy !req
659. He's all about money.Copy !req
660. It's money, money, money, money, money.Copy !req
661. My introduction to Jeff Lowe was,
"Hey, Saff, this is our new investor."Copy !req
662. He came to the zoo.
Talked with Joe mostly.Copy !req
663. He would need someplace to put
14 of his own cats.Copy !req
664. My grandfather owned—
It was called Robbins Brothers Circus.Copy !req
665. It became the largest menagerie
of animals on EarthCopy !req
666. with almost 100 elephants.Copy !req
667. I mean, this guy was—
He had a ton of animals,Copy !req
668. and my first cats that I got were probably
at 16 or 17 years old.Copy !req
669. Mountain lions and one tiger.Copy !req
670. What can I get you? What can I...Copy !req
671. Jeff was a businessman, for sure.Copy !req
672. You can tell he's been through
the business world a few times.Copy !req
673. He flashes a Ferrari around.Copy !req
674. Rumor has it he has a jet.Copy !req
675. He would float back and forth
from Vegas to Wynnewood a lot.Copy !req
676. He liked the party life.Copy !req
677. He liked the scene.Copy !req
678. Up all night, Ecstasy, all that stuff.
I mean, that was just their style.Copy !req
679. And that was a big attractant for him
because he's a swinger.Copy !req
680. You know, him and Lauren swing.Copy !req
681. They like to have sex with other women
at the same time.Copy !req
682. They use the tigers to entice 'em in.Copy !req
683. So, he took a few cubs out to Vegas.Copy !req
684. So those are like bait
to get girls?Copy !req
685. Oh yeah, it's good bait to get girls.Copy !req
686. Who doesn't want
to play with a baby tiger?Copy !req
687. For, I guess,
like, a really beautiful womanCopy !req
688. to get her picture with
a cute little dangerous animal,Copy !req
689. it's like, "Oh, she's got a little spunk
in her, too!"Copy !req
690. A little pussy gets you a lot of pussy.
There you go...Copy !req
691. Yeah.Copy !req
692. He put tiger cubs into, like,
a Louis Vuitton bag.Copy !req
693. He rolled them through the casino,
up into the suites,Copy !req
694. and then brought people up to have
play times with them and party with them.Copy !req
695. Oh, she loves you, honey.Copy !req
696. Basically, that was their free ride.Copy !req
697. And girls came from everywhere.Copy !req
698. He posted so many pictures
of him in bed with girls,Copy !req
699. and Lauren in bed with girls,Copy !req
700. and it's the cats, it's really the cats
that'll draw people in.Copy !req
701. Joe says, "Y'all want more?
I'll give you more."Copy !req
702. He's a playboy, and he's never denied it.Copy !req
703. to the mansion that Jeff Lowe had.Copy !req
704. Great big fucking mansion,Copy !req
705. indoor swimming pool in the house
and everything.Copy !req
706. Fucking crazy.Copy !req
707. Sitting here with Jeff Lowe.
We have had a fun day. We went...Copy !req
708. He wines us and dines us,Copy !req
709. and goes and spends all this moneyCopy !req
710. on weed and everything else
for Travis and...Copy !req
711. It was awesome. It was awesome.Copy !req
712. You know, I think he got up there,
and he was enamored by the big houseCopy !req
713. and fancy cars,Copy !req
714. and he thought that,
"Here's my next victim."Copy !req
715. - What have you got?Copy !req
716. He had the money to fight Carole.Copy !req
717. I want two or three of those roller cartsCopy !req
718. of hundred dollar bills
you had in your warehouse.Copy !req
719. - We might be able to get you one.Copy !req
720. I saw, like, Joe bow down to Jeff.Copy !req
721. And I didn't like that at all.Copy !req
722. Joe was kind of secretive
about what was going on.Copy !req
723. Hey, guys.Copy !req
724. Welcome to free conference.Copy !req
725. They had a call inside the office.Copy !req
726. It was a conference call between Joe,
Howard Baskin, and the attorneys.Copy !req
727. That was supposed to have been private,
all of us had to go outside the office.Copy !req
728. But Jeff Lowe was actually in there,
and he was laying low during the call.Copy !req
729. They thought they had Joe against
the ropes because he was broke.Copy !req
730. Joe offered to pay them $5,000 a month.Copy !req
731. They said, "Well, that isn't good enough."Copy !req
732. She says, "We want $5,000 a month,Copy !req
733. and you're gonna stop breeding,
and you're gonna stop cub petting."Copy !req
734. And Joe says, "Well, how do you thinkCopy !req
735. I can make the $5,000 a month to pay you,Copy !req
736. if it's not through what I do?"Copy !req
737. I just got sick of it, and I stepped up.Copy !req
738. So this is all just a waste of time.Copy !req
739. That settlement agreement
is so far from acceptable.Copy !req
740. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Who's speaking, please?Copy !req
741. Jeff Lowe.Copy !req
742. - We need you to get off the call.
- You know what?Copy !req
743. When I woke up this morning
I was in a free fucking country!Copy !req
744. And I'm still there.Copy !req
745. And the mediator said,
"If you won't get off the call,Copy !req
746. we have to terminate the call,"Copy !req
747. and Jeff said, "Well, then,
I just want to say..."Copy !req
748. Howard, fuck yourself,
and fuck your cunt wife.Copy !req
749. "... fuck Howard and his cunt wife."Copy !req
750. With Jeff Lowe coming in to help him,Copy !req
751. Joe believed that if he justCopy !req
752. convinced us that he hadCopy !req
753. endless resources
to keep the lawsuit going,Copy !req
754. we would suddenly fold our tent
and go away,Copy !req
755. which, of course, we were not going to do.Copy !req
756. He owed 40 or 50,000 dollars
to attorneysCopy !req
757. that were ready to...Copy !req
758. stop defending him in his lawsuitCopy !req
759. that he had with Carole Baskin.Copy !req
760. And they said,
"We'll make it 35 if you can pay that."Copy !req
761. So, Jeff got a cashier's check
for $35,000.Copy !req
762. And then my lawyers recommendedCopy !req
763. that we just dissolve the Garold Wayne
Interactive Zoo companyCopy !req
764. and let Jeff open one in his name,Copy !req
765. so Carole would have to start the lawsuits
all over again.Copy !req
766. So that's what we did.Copy !req
767. - Here's another $10,000 reward—
- Cash!Copy !req
768. In cash. I'm not saying she did it.Copy !req
769. I'm saying if you have informationCopy !req
770. that leads to her arrest,
not even conviction, just her arrest.Copy !req
771. Wow.Copy !req
772. What do you know
about Jeff Lowe? Like what—Copy !req
773. Only allegedly, not my business.Copy !req
774. Right?
I'm not gonna tell on cameraCopy !req
775. what's wrong with Jeff, so that one day,
this becomes a lawsuit.Copy !req
776. You know?Copy !req
777. - When I met Jeff Lowe,Copy !req
778. I thought I could trust him.Copy !req
779. And, oh, my god, shit hit the fan.Copy !req
780. I didn't know that mansion was rented.Copy !req
781. I didn't know that he was behind
on Ferrari payments.Copy !req
782. And as soon as he got the zoo
in his name,Copy !req
783. the evil side of Jeff and Lauren came out.Copy !req
784. Get out, Lauren.Copy !req
785. No, get! Get!Copy !req
786. - You all right?
- Fine.Copy !req
787. And tell me what happened
when Jeff Lowe got involved.Copy !req
788. Jeff Lowe stole the zoo.Copy !req
789. - Wait, say that again?
- Jeff Lowe stole the zoo.Copy !req