1. I use my music
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4. Joe Exotic.
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5. an inmate at the Grady County Jail.
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6. Me and Carole
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number one most wanted cub abuser
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murdered-her-husband
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and shit about.
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we're gonna get Joe in there now.
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27. - Come here.
- You got stills, Michael?
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Where'd you get the idea?
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People were contacting us and saying,
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about Carole Baskin for a change.
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before this is over with.
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to put on your Fur Ball
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looky there.
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in finding a reality show.
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- ... publicity stills...
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knowing our poor angles...
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and nobody could get it kicked off.
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126. - Stand by, video one.
- Video one is queued!
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128. - Teleprompter...
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129. I was like, "Hell yeah, I'm gonna make
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internet show."
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toting a gun.
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136. Hey, I'm Joe Exotic,
otherwise known as The Tiger King.
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out in the middle of Bumfuck, Oklahoma,
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and bears and monkeys and shit.
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I'm gonna build a king's throne.
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and hear this...
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and he was sitting there,
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of him in this throne.
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- Because the disrespect around this place
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and be shoving it in her mouth.
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It's like, this guy is just...
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about Carole Baskin.
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finally getting a rabbit,
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suck my Captain Morgan, LOL."
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- Find Don Lewis.
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hollered, "Murderer."
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this lawsuit was already pending, correct?
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your use of this photograph, correct?
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that she was granting our motion...
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local, late-breaking coverage!
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who goes by the name Joe Exotic
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a Florida animal sanctuary
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a trademark infringement lawsuit.
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that you get your day in court?
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the justice system there for a while,
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you know, I just thought she did it
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and you're not gonna have the final word."
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She did.
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out of me. I don't own anything.
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and she took the tour bus,
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a quarter million dollars fighting her.
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good, bad, and ugly.
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had blown up our, uh...
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that it blew the doors open.
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on the park with the other crew,
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it was clearly an arson.
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a towering inferno?
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of nothing but flames and fire.
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an alligator house,
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e-mails, letters.
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or the people that were involved.
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and try to hurt any of my animals again,
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to make you squirm around on the ground.
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right between your fucking eyes!
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to catch Carole Baskin in this.
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"Are you out of your fucking mind?"
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402. It was like, "That's my retirement
that just burned, okay?
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403. I got everything invested in that project
that no longer exists."
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404. As far as the footage,
I don't know who's got it.
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405. I suspected Kirkham
of taking all of his material.
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406. I was the one person Joe feared the most
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407. because I was shooting everything
in his personal life...
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408. and could take what I saw and witnessed
and... and harm him with it.
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409. There was all kinds of shit on there.
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410. Reinke doing veterinary work
without a veterinarian.
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411. We had cameras
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412. on everybody every minute of the day.
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413. He could have sold it to Carole,
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414. and Carole could be,
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415. you know,
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416. just saving it for a rainy day.
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417. Fuck me, man!
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418. A scenario was thrown at me:
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419. do you think it could have been Joe?
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420. Because when that happened...
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421. he was out of town for a funeral.
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422. What better timing?
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423. Nobody would have ever suspected him
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424. of calling to have it burned down.
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425. All right.
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426. Follow me. Don't ever
put that camera down in there.
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427. - Hi guys.
- What's happening?
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428. What kind of problem is there, Joe?
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429. A week before
the studio burned to the ground,
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430. we had gotten into an argument,
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431. and he was like,
"You know, I don't need you.
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432. I can go on."
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433. And I pulled out our contract.
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434. I showed it to him.
I said, "Joe, when I came here,
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435. not only do I own all the reality footage,
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436. I own all of your Internet footage
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437. from the time I came here
that I produced."
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438. My producers
are filming a reality show.
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439. So they want to do a show
related to your park up there?
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440. They actually got it filmed.
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441. - Do they?
- Mm-hmm.
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442. And how are you protecting that?
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443. What do you mean?
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444. Well, if they've got it filmed,
what do they need you for?
Copy !req
445. He blew up so bad
when I showed him that contract.
Copy !req
446. He was like, "You don't own me!"
Copy !req
447. I said, "Joe, actually I do right now.
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448. I do own this show. I do own it."
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449. - Where is the film?
- In my recording studio.
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450. - They don't have copies of it?
- No.
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451. Do you see what I'm saying, Joe?
- I hear you.
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452. - Just pisses me off, dude.
- I know.
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453. I'll find somebody that needs ten grand.
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454. Make a name for themselves.
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455. After the studio burned,
whether he destroyed it or not,
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456. it was gone.
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457. I remember walking over
and handing the camera to Reinke,
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458. and I just said, "I'm out of here, man."
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459. And he said, "Yeah, might as well
go on home."
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460. I got my dog.
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461. I got in my truck.
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462. I left everything I owned, and I drove,
and I left and went back to Dallas.
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463. I had a complete nervous breakdown.
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464. I was told by Joe and by Reinke,
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465. "If you step foot on the park again,
we'll have you arrested for trespassing."
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466. This fire happened at about the time
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467. Joe had a judgment placed on him
from a lady in Florida.
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468. Some of the items within this fire
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469. were going to be under subpoena.
Copy !req
470. And that was some hard drives
and... and some videotape
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471. and thing like that,
and that might have been a motivation
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472. to maybe destroy some evidence.
Copy !req
473. They might have shut me up
for just a little while,
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474. but let me tell you,
they've awoken a monster.
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475. Now Joe Exotic's pissed off.
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476. Be sure and get online
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477. and help us rebuild the voice
of you, the people,
Copy !req
478. to bring Joe Exotic TV back to the air.
Copy !req
479. Was it for the sympathy?
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480. Was it for...
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481. the attention?
Copy !req
482. Oh, yeah.
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483. Joe did take advantage of a lot of people.
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484. That's why I think the fire
of the alligator habitat was a scam.
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485. When I first met Joe,
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486. we discussed what I would charge him
to rebuild at a decent rate.
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487. I only charged him $8,000
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488. to rebuild that $120,000 building.
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489. You didn't make any money.
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490. - No.
- Why'd you do it?
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491. For the animals.
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492. I mean, I got to pet cats that people
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493. wasn't even supposed to be
putting their hands in around.
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494. Five months ago,
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495. an arsonist poured enough accelerant
in there
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496. to where it completely exploded
the building
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497. and burned the building
down to the ground.
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498. I would like to thank the people
from all over the world
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499. who don't even know us
that dug deep in their pockets
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500. in order to rebuild this great
G.W. Exotic Animal Alligator Facility.
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501. Our investigation never did come
to anything definitive.
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502. So, the case is still open.
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503. Again, it's clearly an arson fire.
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504. I got great news for you.
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505. JoeExotic.TV returns to the air.
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506. We're gonna expose the lies,
the corruption, and we are...
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507. That building contained computers
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508. that held information
that we were seeking.
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509. I suspect that Joe was responsible
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510. for having someone burn down the building,
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511. but I have no firsthand knowledge,
and I can't prove it.
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512. How much has this cost you,
this lawsuit between you and Joe?
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513. We've spent over a million dollars
in legal fees.
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514. You're kidding. Is it worth it?
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515. Well, if this were a purely
commercial situation, it wouldn't.
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516. You'd say this is not economic,
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517. but this is part of our mission,
to put a stop to this.
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518. And we're not going to allow him
to abuse the system
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519. and wear us out and cause us to go away
and succeed at that.
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520. You know,
if you've got the money...
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521. If you've got the money,
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522. you usually find yourself
on the right side.
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523. She's got deep pockets.
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524. I don't know if she wants the facility,
or if she wants the facility shut down.
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525. But any way you look at it,
she wants to take over the zoo.
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526. When Joe pretty much maxed out
all the credit cards
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527. is when he asked me if I wanted
to put the zoo into my name,
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528. and at the time,
it sounded like a good idea.
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529. I'm John Finlay,
and I'm president of the G.W. Zoo.
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530. Three, two, one.
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531. Hi, I'm John Finlay,
and I'm president of the G.W. Ex—
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532. G.W. Zoo. It's real simple.
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533. Right on.
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534. They've done so many transfers
and quick claim deeds, you can't—
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535. No one can keep track of it,
not even an attorney.
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536. You can go down to the courthouse and ask.
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537. If you just say
the last name Schreibvogel,
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538. they just take a deep breath
and look at you.
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539. Joe kept thinking if he changed the name,
it would just derail them and derail them.
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540. Well, it didn't.
They just moved it to another lawsuit.
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541. Carole Baskin's lawyers are vicious,
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542. and they go after anybody involved.
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543. She sued me also,
just 'cause I was at the zoo.
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544. It was in the works that
I was going to be sued at the same time.
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545. So, everybody that had been involved
all got drug into court.
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546. Joe's parents, Francis and Shirley...
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547. Their name,
Shirley's name is on everything.
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548. The trailers, the water bill,
the electric bill,
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549. the cable, you know, cable bills.
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550. Through the proceedings about the land
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551. and fraudulent transfer to his mother,
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552. the bankruptcy trustee went after her.
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553. She sues my mom
for illegal transfer of assets.
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554. Okay? Mom dumps
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555. hundreds of thousands
of dollars into defending herself.
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556. Instead of being in a tiger cage today,
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557. I'm... in a downtown area
of Oklahoma City.
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558. Thanks to Carole Baskin for dragging us
all out of bed this morning
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559. and sticking my mom at the very top
of that building right there
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560. in order to fuck with her.
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561. Using a federal court in order to do that.
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562. Between the park and the lawsuit,
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563. Mom ran out of money.
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564. Carole bankrupted 'em.
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565. Hello, good afternoon
to everybody in the nation.
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566. I want to thank you with my whole heart
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567. for all the support and help you have done
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568. to get me and my husband out of the mess
we were in with this attorney.
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569. They come banging on my door
with the sheriff
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570. and demanding the whole sum of money
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571. or else they were going to come in
and confiscate all the furniture
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572. right then and there.
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573. And I know from the bottom of my heart,
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574. Carole Baskin down in Florida
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575. is behind a lot of this
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576. because she's been harassing us
right along with Joe
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577. for years,
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578. because she's so greedy,
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579. and she's so jealous of what he has made
of his animal park
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580. when hers is nothing.
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581. It's... "Mom, pay for this attorney."
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582. That's every phone call.
"Mom, I need some money for this."
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583. Like 300-something.
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584. I went down to the courthouse
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585. and got a copy of one of the deeds,
and I said,
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586. "Grandma, are you aware
that this happened?"
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587. And she said, "Well, he shoved a paper
in front of me and told me to sign.
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588. I didn't think anything of it."
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589. Joe drained them dry.
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590. I told Joe,
"How're you gonna make money?
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591. "How are you gonna make money?"
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592. He didn't have any other way to make money
other than cub petting.
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593. So he had to breed.
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594. She's pushing another one out.
You need to be filming her ass.
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595. See that cub come out
with that camera.
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596. Zoom in on her ass.
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597. At that point, Joe was really desperate.
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598. He was gonna lose the zoo.
Carole was gonna take it.
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599. She's panting hard.
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600. I know she's panting hard,
but she's having a cub.
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601. You'll see, watch her ass.
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602. Get me a hole cut.
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603. There's a towel in my car. Go get it!
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604. Careful. Careful.
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605. Everything's all right.
Everybody calm down. It'll be all right.
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606. Just do
what you're supposed to do.
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607. Female.
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608. They just never stop screaming.
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609. I had to finally go sleep
in that studio yesterday.
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610. It was the only way to muffle it.
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611. It still costs 60,000 to 70,000 dollars
a month just to feed all these animals.
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612. You gonna let them in
or you gonna stand there?
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613. There's only 5 buckets of meat
in there and there's 14 cats in here.
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614. All we've got is
one barrel of meat right now.
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615. That's all we've got.
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616. So they all getting half buckets?
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617. It's the Walmart meat trucks
have sucked lately.
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618. We don't even have enough meat
to do the wolves. This is ridiculous.
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619. - Ah, no.
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620. Maintenance. It's like putting a band-aid
on everything every day.
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621. I don't even have bear buckets today.
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622. I got one ham.
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623. We got chicken coming, so...
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624. You can feed heavy.
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625. Things got so bad,
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626. we started negotiating with Carole
and Howard on how to get out of it.
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627. And that's when
I had mediation with Howard
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628. to try and settle the bullshit,
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629. you know, the lawsuit and everything.
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630. The prospect of collecting
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631. a million dollars from Joe
was not real high,
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632. and I was willing to make concessions.
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633. He pointed out
that his cash flow is very seasonal,
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634. that he has few visitors in the winter.
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635. What if we take these monthly payments
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636. and make them lower in the winter
and bigger in the summer.
Copy !req
637. So, there were four
or five issues like that
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638. that I was willing to accommodate.
Copy !req
639. We basically had a deal.
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640. Me and Howard
came to an agreement.
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641. And then, he got Carole
on the phone.
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642. And Carole got greedy.
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643. She wanted my mom and dad's house
as collateral.
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644. That was a deal-breaker.
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645. Carole Baskin,
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646. you've already stripped me
of just about everything I own.
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647. And you're gonna have to kill me
to shut me up...
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648. because I'm gonna die a hero...
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649. and I'm gonna liberate...
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650. the animal world.
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651. It will be a cold day in hell
before you beat me.
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652. God is in control.
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653. So he'll either pull me through this or...
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654. he won't.
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655. Jeff Lowe came on the scene
sometime in 2015.
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656. He just brought the persona
that he was gonna save the zoo,
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657. so we dubbed him "the Godfather."
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658. He says he's rich.
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659. He's all about money.
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660. It's money, money, money, money, money.
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661. My introduction to Jeff Lowe was,
"Hey, Saff, this is our new investor."
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662. He came to the zoo.
Talked with Joe mostly.
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663. He would need someplace to put
14 of his own cats.
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664. My grandfather owned—
It was called Robbins Brothers Circus.
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665. It became the largest menagerie
of animals on Earth
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666. with almost 100 elephants.
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667. I mean, this guy was—
He had a ton of animals,
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668. and my first cats that I got were probably
at 16 or 17 years old.
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669. Mountain lions and one tiger.
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670. What can I get you? What can I...
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671. Jeff was a businessman, for sure.
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672. You can tell he's been through
the business world a few times.
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673. He flashes a Ferrari around.
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674. Rumor has it he has a jet.
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675. He would float back and forth
from Vegas to Wynnewood a lot.
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676. He liked the party life.
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677. He liked the scene.
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678. Up all night, Ecstasy, all that stuff.
I mean, that was just their style.
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679. And that was a big attractant for him
because he's a swinger.
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680. You know, him and Lauren swing.
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681. They like to have sex with other women
at the same time.
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682. They use the tigers to entice 'em in.
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683. So, he took a few cubs out to Vegas.
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684. So those are like bait
to get girls?
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685. Oh yeah, it's good bait to get girls.
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686. Who doesn't want
to play with a baby tiger?
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687. For, I guess,
like, a really beautiful woman
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688. to get her picture with
a cute little dangerous animal,
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689. it's like, "Oh, she's got a little spunk
in her, too!"
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690. A little pussy gets you a lot of pussy.
There you go...
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691. Yeah.
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692. He put tiger cubs into, like,
a Louis Vuitton bag.
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693. He rolled them through the casino,
up into the suites,
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694. and then brought people up to have
play times with them and party with them.
Copy !req
695. Oh, she loves you, honey.
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696. Basically, that was their free ride.
Copy !req
697. And girls came from everywhere.
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698. He posted so many pictures
of him in bed with girls,
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699. and Lauren in bed with girls,
Copy !req
700. and it's the cats, it's really the cats
that'll draw people in.
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701. Joe says, "Y'all want more?
I'll give you more."
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702. He's a playboy, and he's never denied it.
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703. to the mansion that Jeff Lowe had.
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704. Great big fucking mansion,
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705. indoor swimming pool in the house
and everything.
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706. Fucking crazy.
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707. Sitting here with Jeff Lowe.
We have had a fun day. We went...
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708. He wines us and dines us,
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709. and goes and spends all this money
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710. on weed and everything else
for Travis and...
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711. It was awesome. It was awesome.
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712. You know, I think he got up there,
and he was enamored by the big house
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713. and fancy cars,
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714. and he thought that,
"Here's my next victim."
Copy !req
715. - What have you got?
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716. He had the money to fight Carole.
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717. I want two or three of those roller carts
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718. of hundred dollar bills
you had in your warehouse.
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719. - We might be able to get you one.
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720. I saw, like, Joe bow down to Jeff.
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721. And I didn't like that at all.
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722. Joe was kind of secretive
about what was going on.
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723. Hey, guys.
Copy !req
724. Welcome to free conference.
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725. They had a call inside the office.
Copy !req
726. It was a conference call between Joe,
Howard Baskin, and the attorneys.
Copy !req
727. That was supposed to have been private,
all of us had to go outside the office.
Copy !req
728. But Jeff Lowe was actually in there,
and he was laying low during the call.
Copy !req
729. They thought they had Joe against
the ropes because he was broke.
Copy !req
730. Joe offered to pay them $5,000 a month.
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731. They said, "Well, that isn't good enough."
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732. She says, "We want $5,000 a month,
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733. and you're gonna stop breeding,
and you're gonna stop cub petting."
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734. And Joe says, "Well, how do you think
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735. I can make the $5,000 a month to pay you,
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736. if it's not through what I do?"
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737. I just got sick of it, and I stepped up.
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738. So this is all just a waste of time.
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739. That settlement agreement
is so far from acceptable.
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740. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Who's speaking, please?
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741. Jeff Lowe.
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742. - We need you to get off the call.
- You know what?
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743. When I woke up this morning
I was in a free fucking country!
Copy !req
744. And I'm still there.
Copy !req
745. And the mediator said,
"If you won't get off the call,
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746. we have to terminate the call,"
Copy !req
747. and Jeff said, "Well, then,
I just want to say..."
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748. Howard, fuck yourself,
and fuck your cunt wife.
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749. "... fuck Howard and his cunt wife."
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750. With Jeff Lowe coming in to help him,
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751. Joe believed that if he just
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752. convinced us that he had
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753. endless resources
to keep the lawsuit going,
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754. we would suddenly fold our tent
and go away,
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755. which, of course, we were not going to do.
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756. He owed 40 or 50,000 dollars
to attorneys
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757. that were ready to...
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758. stop defending him in his lawsuit
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759. that he had with Carole Baskin.
Copy !req
760. And they said,
"We'll make it 35 if you can pay that."
Copy !req
761. So, Jeff got a cashier's check
for $35,000.
Copy !req
762. And then my lawyers recommended
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763. that we just dissolve the Garold Wayne
Interactive Zoo company
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764. and let Jeff open one in his name,
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765. so Carole would have to start the lawsuits
all over again.
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766. So that's what we did.
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767. - Here's another $10,000 reward—
- Cash!
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768. In cash. I'm not saying she did it.
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769. I'm saying if you have information
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770. that leads to her arrest,
not even conviction, just her arrest.
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771. Wow.
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772. What do you know
about Jeff Lowe? Like what—
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773. Only allegedly, not my business.
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774. Right?
I'm not gonna tell on camera
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775. what's wrong with Jeff, so that one day,
this becomes a lawsuit.
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776. You know?
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777. - When I met Jeff Lowe,
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778. I thought I could trust him.
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779. And, oh, my god, shit hit the fan.
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780. I didn't know that mansion was rented.
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781. I didn't know that he was behind
on Ferrari payments.
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782. And as soon as he got the zoo
in his name,
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783. the evil side of Jeff and Lauren came out.
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784. Get out, Lauren.
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785. No, get! Get!
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786. - You all right?
- Fine.
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787. And tell me what happened
when Jeff Lowe got involved.
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788. Jeff Lowe stole the zoo.
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789. - Wait, say that again?
- Jeff Lowe stole the zoo.
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