1. Previously on The West Wing:Copy !req
2. He's a Republican lawyer.
Turns out...Copy !req
3. he's on Government Oversight.
- You can't see him.Copy !req
4. Political reporters don't care
about the scope of inquiry.Copy !req
5. We're not gonna get anywhere putting
on a calm face. We need to pick a fight.Copy !req
6. - Hoynes put a poll in the field.
- A trip to New Hampshire?Copy !req
7. - High-tech corridor of the Northeast.
- Thanks to who?Copy !req
8. What does that matter right now?Copy !req
9. Third down and 12,
45 seconds to go.Copy !req
10. Whitmeyer has the ball
on the right side...Copy !req
11. and immediately stops
for a 2-yard loss...Copy !req
12. - Okay.
- Do we know what kind of gun it was?Copy !req
13. - Which gun?
- The first gun.Copy !req
14. It was a.38 pistol.Copy !req
15. Okay, here are a few confirmations
and a few more details.Copy !req
16. The shooting took place approximately
15 minutes into the 9:00 service...Copy !req
17. at United Baptist Church
in Abilene, Texas.Copy !req
18. Will Sawyer, is that you?Copy !req
19. Yes.Copy !req
20. - You back in the country?
- Yeah.Copy !req
21. - Work for the San Francisco Chronicle?
- No.Copy !req
22. Then you wanna get your ass
out of their chair?Copy !req
23. There's assigned seating?Copy !req
24. See the little brass plaques
with the names of media outlets?Copy !req
25. I thought that meant they made
a contribution.Copy !req
26. Find a seat in back.Copy !req
27. Fifteen minutes into the service,
Daryl Bechtell...Copy !req
28. B- E-C-H-T-E-L-L,
walked into the sanctuary.Copy !req
29. Reports indicate he was looking
for his estranged wife.Copy !req
30. He fired off a round
that was from the.38...Copy !req
31. missing his wife and hitting
Harold Winter in the left shoulder.Copy !req
32. Mr. Winter is 65 and currently
undergoing surgery...Copy !req
33. at Abilene Regional Medical Center.Copy !req
34. Mr. Bechtell fired off anywhere between
two and four more rounds at that point.Copy !req
35. Reports differ as the crowd
began to scatter.Copy !req
36. Then Ron Cahrl pulled a 9mm Glock
from under his suit coat...Copy !req
37. and fired off three rounds
in the direction of Mr. Bechtell.Copy !req
38. It's unclear which round
struck Melissa Markey.Copy !req
39. - Confirmation on her age?
- She'll be 9 tomorrow.Copy !req
40. Can you speak to what Daryl Bechtell
or Ron Cahrl might be charged with?Copy !req
41. The Abilene Sheriff's Office
will address that.Copy !req
42. I can say that Mr. Bechtell's gun
was registered...Copy !req
43. and Ron Cahrl had a license
to carry a concealed weapon.Copy !req
44. Doesn't Texas law prohibit weapons
in a church or synagogue?Copy !req
45. I'll let the sheriff's office
speak to that...Copy !req
46. but I'll say that it only prohibits it
if they post the prohibition in plain sight.Copy !req
47. - C. J... .
- Hang on.Copy !req
48. Well...Copy !req
49. Melissa Markey died.Copy !req
50. If you don't understand a question,
say so, and they'll repeat it...Copy !req
51. or they'll rephrase it.
- Yeah.Copy !req
52. It's okay to not understand
a question.Copy !req
53. - It's okay to say,"I don't recall."
- I appreciate this.Copy !req
54. Yeah. Don't you want to go over this
with Josh?Copy !req
55. - He's pissed at me.
- No, he's not.Copy !req
56. - He's... Yeah, he is.
- He didn't say anything.Copy !req
57. - He doesn't say anything.
- All right.Copy !req
58. Anyway, I appreciate this.Copy !req
59. Charlie, hang on a second.Copy !req
60. You're gonna be sitting in a room.
It'll feel like you did something wrong...Copy !req
61. but guess what.
- What?Copy !req
62. - You didn't. So... .
- Yeah.Copy !req
63. - You got a cab?
- Yeah.Copy !req
64. - Come back when it's over.
- Thanks.Copy !req
65. - You make a pick?
- Oakland over Dallas.Copy !req
66. - It's a lock.
- Okay.Copy !req
67. Everybody wants to keep Oakland
down the road...Copy !req
68. but I'm not as impressed
with the preseason hype.Copy !req
69. You pick the Raiders at home...Copy !req
70. and bank on them not being
a favorite in the playoffs.Copy !req
71. Okay.Copy !req
72. Okay.Copy !req
73. - Should I take Tennessee over Detroit?
- I didn't say that.Copy !req
74. - You said it with your eyes.
- Okay.Copy !req
75. - I'll take Tennessee over Detroit.
- I'm writing it down.Copy !req
76. Write it down. Wait, no,
give me Oakland over Dallas.Copy !req
77. - Okay.
- Make it New Orleans over Atlanta.Copy !req
78. - The game's about to start.
- New Orleans.Copy !req
79. - I'm writing it down.
- Write it down.Copy !req
80. - Good afternoon.
- Hi, Charlie.Copy !req
81. - How was church?
- It was fine.Copy !req
82. - Stop it.
- It sucked.Copy !req
83. - You're talking about church.
- I'm already going to hell.Copy !req
84. - What was the problem?
- He feels the homily lacked panache.Copy !req
85. - It did.
- It was a perfectly lovely homily...Copy !req
86. on Ephesians 5:21.Copy !req
87. Husbands, love your wives
as Christ loved the church...Copy !req
88. and gave himself up for her.Copy !req
89. She's skipping the part that says,
"Wives, be subject to your husbands.Copy !req
90. The husband is the head of the wife
as Christ is the head of the church."Copy !req
91. - I do skip that part.
- Why?Copy !req
92. - Because it's stupid.
- Okay.Copy !req
93. Husbands, love your wives...Copy !req
94. as Christ loved the church
and gave himself up for her...Copy !req
95. that he might sanctify her,
having cleansed her...Copy !req
96. by washing of water
with the word...Copy !req
97. that he might present the church
to himself in something.Copy !req
98. In splendor.
And I have no problem with it.Copy !req
99. Anytime you want me to cleanse you
with the washing of water, I'm up for it.Copy !req
100. - Then what is your problem?
- Hackery! He was a hack.Copy !req
101. He had a captive audience.
I know...Copy !req
102. because I tried to tunnel out
several times.Copy !req
103. He didn't know what to do.Copy !req
104. - Want him to sing'Volare"?
- Couldn't hurt.Copy !req
105. - Words...
- Oh, God.Copy !req
106. Words, when spoken out loud
for performance, are music.Copy !req
107. They have rhythm and pitch
and timbre and volume.Copy !req
108. These are properties of music.
Music has the ability to find us...Copy !req
109. and lift us up in ways
that literal meaning can't.Copy !req
110. - Do you see?
- You are an oratorical snob.Copy !req
111. Yes, and God loves me for it.Copy !req
112. - You said he was sending you to hell.
- Not for this.Copy !req
113. You can't just trot out Ephesians,
which he blew.Copy !req
114. It has nothing to do with husbands
and wives, it's all of us.Copy !req
115. St. Paul begins,"Be subject to one
another out of reverence to Christ."Copy !req
116. Be subject to one another.Copy !req
117. In this age of 24-hour cable crap
devoted...Copy !req
118. to feeding the voyeuristic gluttony
of an American public hooked on...Copy !req
119. a bad soap opera that's passing
itself off as important...Copy !req
120. don't you think you could find
some relevance in verse 21?Copy !req
121. How do we end the cycle?
Be subject to one another.Copy !req
122. - This is about you.
- No, it's not.Copy !req
123. Yes, it is. But tomorrow
it'll be about somebody else.Copy !req
124. We'll watch Larry King and see who.Copy !req
125. All hacks off the stage now.
That's a national-security order.Copy !req
126. I'm going to the residence,
taking a bath and turning on Sinatra.Copy !req
127. - How does Mrs. Sinatra feel about that?
- Peace be with you.Copy !req
128. Good morning, Mr. President.Copy !req
129. He's feisty. Please,
don't ask him about church.Copy !req
130. No, I won't. I'm sorry, Mr. President.
Melissa Markey died.Copy !req
131. Yeah, okay.Copy !req
132. Oh, damn.Copy !req
133. - Charlie, can I see Leo?
- Yes, sir.Copy !req
134. She lost too much blood at the scene,
Jed, she didn't have a chance.Copy !req
135. Yeah.Copy !req
136. All right, I'll be over in the residence.Copy !req
137. - I gotta see Babish this afternoon.
- Okay.Copy !req
138. When do you think
I should go in there?Copy !req
139. I'd wait a couple of hours
till we have some more facts.Copy !req
140. You'll talk to the sheriff's office
and I guess, the DA.Copy !req
141. Yeah, but you don't want to walk
too far into that.Copy !req
142. Yeah.Copy !req
143. - Good morning.
- You heard?Copy !req
144. Yeah.Copy !req
145. - C.J. thinks I should wait a few hours.
- I would.Copy !req
146. - Okay.
- Thank you, Mr. President.Copy !req
147. Be subject to one another, Leo.Copy !req
148. - What can I do to be of subject to you?
- I'm fine.Copy !req
149. - Yeah?
- I've got Margaret.Copy !req
150. Okay.Copy !req
151. I think you should send
Hoynes to Texas.Copy !req
152. - He's not gonna want to do it.
- What do you care?Copy !req
153. - What are you doing today?
- I'm meeting with Adamley.Copy !req
154. - What about?
- He wants to talk to me...Copy !req
155. about the War Crimes Tribunal.
- Keep me out of it, all right?Copy !req
156. You think I should send
Hoynes to Texas?Copy !req
157. Yeah.Copy !req
158. All right, get him over here.Copy !req
159. - Now?
- Yeah.Copy !req
160. Thank you, Mr. President.Copy !req
161. This proceeding is known
as a deposition.Copy !req
162. The person transcribing the deposition
is a House reporter.Copy !req
163. You were sworn in by a notary public
and are under oath.Copy !req
164. - Do you understand?
- Yes.Copy !req
165. Because you are under oath,
your testimony here today...Copy !req
166. has the same force and effect
as if you were testifying...Copy !req
167. before the committee
in a courtroom.Copy !req
168. - Do you understand?
- Yes.Copy !req
169. This committee has authorization
pursuant to House Resolution 173.Copy !req
170. My name is Clifford Calley.
I'm majority counsel...Copy !req
171. for the House Oversight
and Reform Committee.Copy !req
172. State your full name for the record.Copy !req
173. Donnatella Moss.
D-O-N-N-A-T-E-L-L-A M-O-S-S.Copy !req
174. I'd like the record to show that I've met
the witness socially on occasion...Copy !req
175. and without objection
I'd like to proceed.Copy !req
176. - No objection.
- Counsel?Copy !req
177. - No objection.
- I'd like to express...Copy !req
178. our appreciation to you
for appearing on a Sunday.Copy !req
179. Ms. Moss, are you here voluntarily
or due to a subpoena?Copy !req
180. - A subpoena.
- No need to thank me.Copy !req
181. Donna, this is gonna be easy,
you can laugh.Copy !req
182. Were you asked
to organize documents...Copy !req
183. pursuant to this committee's
investigation?Copy !req
184. - Yes.
- Would you describe how that worked?Copy !req
185. On instructions from Joshua Lyman
and the White House Counsel's Office...Copy !req
186. I took over a storage room
at the OEOB...Copy !req
187. and began sorting through inter-office
and inter-departmental documents...Copy !req
188. both from the campaign
and from the West Wing.Copy !req
189. - The campaign you're referring to is...?
- Bartlet for America.Copy !req
190. - How'd you guys do?
- We won.Copy !req
191. My colleagues are gonna
ask you some questions.Copy !req
192. Then we'll get back to me
and finish up.Copy !req
193. - Okay.
- Ms. Moss.Copy !req
194. - Do you keep a photo album?
- No.Copy !req
195. - Okay, do you keep...?
- I'm sorry.Copy !req
196. I keep photographs.
I don't have them in an album.Copy !req
197. - Okay, do you keep a scrapbook?
- No.Copy !req
198. Do you keep letters, notes
or correspondence you receive?Copy !req
199. Sometimes a birthday card
or a letter from my father.Copy !req
200. - Do you keep a diary?
- No.Copy !req
201. Okay. Do you receive gifts
from anyone who is currently...?Copy !req
202. I'm sorry. Hang on.Copy !req
203. Would you read that back?Copy !req
204. "Do you keep a diary?
No.Copy !req
205. Okay, do you receive gifts from...?"Copy !req
206. Okay. Okay, go ahead.Copy !req
207. Do you receive gifts from anyone who
is currently working at the White House?Copy !req
208. - How you doing?
- Good.Copy !req
209. - You're sitting in my chair.
- It didn't have a plaque.Copy !req
210. - Oh, I've missed you.
- Yeah.Copy !req
211. - Well, you've been gone three weeks.
- Two and a half years.Copy !req
212. - Really?
- Yes.Copy !req
213. - You were our man in Myanmar.
- I got kicked out of Myanmar.Copy !req
214. Is there a third-world country
that hasn't kicked you out?Copy !req
215. I've been kicked out of plenty
of industrialized nations too.Copy !req
216. - Why'd they kick you out?
- First...Copy !req
217. they didn't kick me out exactly.
They love me in Myanmar.Copy !req
218. - What happened?
- They put a bounty on my head.Copy !req
219. It's not funny.Copy !req
220. The Myanmarese government
is built on narcotics trafficking.Copy !req
221. Myanmar, Thailand, Laos.
I was this close to the story.Copy !req
222. - Yeah?
- I had interviews with Peng Jiasheng...Copy !req
223. Pao Yuqiang, Li Zuru.
I was tight with narco-barons.Copy !req
224. - Until?
- The Myanmarese army...Copy !req
225. Put a bounty on your head?Copy !req
226. - How'd you know?
- State Department came and got me.Copy !req
227. That had to be embarrassing
in front of your narco-baron friends.Copy !req
228. Anyway... .Copy !req
229. I'm assigned
to the White House Press Corps...Copy !req
230. until they can find me,
you know, a reporting job.Copy !req
231. - No, no offense taken.
- Thanks.Copy !req
232. - Why'd you wanna see me?
- Have a quote for comment.Copy !req
233. - What is it?
- Toby Ziegler says:Copy !req
234. "If the president wins reelection,
it'll be on the vice president's coattails."Copy !req
235. If the president wins reelection,
it'll be on the vice president's coattails?Copy !req
236. I think that's... .
Yeah.Copy !req
237. - He said this to you?
- No.Copy !req
238. - Where'd you get it?
- The person he said it to.Copy !req
239. Do me a favor, give me some time
to check it out, okay?Copy !req
240. Yeah.Copy !req
241. - You were gone two and a half years?
- Yeah.Copy !req
242. It seemed like less than that.Copy !req
243. People lose all track of time and space
when I'm not around.Copy !req
244. Yeah.Copy !req
245. Yeah.Copy !req
246. It's 30 billion
in school-modernization bonds.Copy !req
247. Thanks, Ginger.Copy !req
248. - Thank you.
- Sure.Copy !req
249. It's 30 billion
in school-modernization bonds.Copy !req
250. - Interest-free?
- Interest-free for school districts.Copy !req
251. We're estimating it will help build and
modernize 7000 schools nationwide.Copy !req
252. There's another 1.5 billion for urgent
repairs targeted to high-need districts.Copy !req
253. - Like roof repairs?
- Roof repairs...Copy !req
254. heating and cooling systems,
electrical wiring.Copy !req
255. We think we need the congressman's
vote to get it onto the floor.Copy !req
256. - He'll be with it.
- I thought so.Copy !req
257. He wants the president's support
on a bill he's sponsoring.Copy !req
258. - What's it called?
- The Legal Tender Modernization Act.Copy !req
259. - Which is...?
- Elimination of the penny.Copy !req
260. - Sorry?
- It would permanently halt...Copy !req
261. production of the penny.
- Why?Copy !req
262. - I'm glad you asked.
- Yeah.Copy !req
263. Last year, the U.S. Mint cut
14 billion pennies...Copy !req
264. and shipped them to the Federal
Reserve, which dumped them on us.Copy !req
265. - They're worthless.
- They're actually worth 1 cent.Copy !req
266. The dollar has the buying power today
the quarter had 30 years ago.Copy !req
267. - Penny's power's shrunk to nothing.
- Not true. You can get a gumball.Copy !req
268. - No, you can't. They cost a nickel.
- Really?Copy !req
269. I need to give the congressman
a good reason...Copy !req
270. why the White House
won't support the bill, if they won't.Copy !req
271. - Don't make me give you a good reason.
- You want your school repairs?Copy !req
272. We're already well on our way
with 140 million pennies.Copy !req
273. - Sam.
- I'll get you a good reason.Copy !req
274. Charlie!Copy !req
275. Yes, sir.Copy !req
276. - You took Indianapolis?
- Yes, sir.Copy !req
277. - You didn't want to take Kansas City?
- No, sir.Copy !req
278. Kansas City's got three players
out of Notre Dame.Copy !req
279. Always go with a team with
more players out of Notre Dame.Copy !req
280. - That's a heck of a system.
- What's yours?Copy !req
281. I compare the team's record
to its opponent's record.Copy !req
282. - That's a little simplistic, isn't it?
- Yes, sir.Copy !req
283. - Excuse me, Mr. President?
- Yeah.Copy !req
284. - The vice president.
- Thank you.Copy !req
285. - Hi, Charlie.
- Sir.Copy !req
286. - Hey, John.
- Good afternoon, sir.Copy !req
287. - Do you know this church?
- No.Copy !req
288. - The United Baptist Church in Abilene?
- No.Copy !req
289. - You feel like having a beer with me?
- No, I'm fine.Copy !req
290. On Sundays after church, my father
would let my brother and me split a beer.Copy !req
291. - Mind if I split some water with you?
- Nancy.Copy !req
292. I need you to go to Texas, John.Copy !req
293. Nancy, could I get a cold beer
and some ice water?Copy !req
294. - Yes, sir.
- And close the door, please.Copy !req
295. - You want to send me to Texas.
- It's what Texans do.Copy !req
296. You know, a decade ago, we passed
a few national gun-control laws...Copy !req
297. and the gun lobby turned its back on
Congress and focused on the states.Copy !req
298. The NRA systematically
worked the legislatures...Copy !req
299. to weaken conceal-and-carry laws,
the effect of which...Copy !req
300. is to increase gun sales
and pad its own membership.Copy !req
301. I don't agree with that...Copy !req
302. The National Conference of State
Legislatures is meeting in San Antonio.Copy !req
303. - You want me to go and speak for you.
- Yeah.Copy !req
304. Because that's what Texans do.Copy !req
305. It's also what vice presidents do.Copy !req
306. Thank you, Nancy.Copy !req
307. Thank you, Nancy.Copy !req
308. - Alan.
- Hey.Copy !req
309. Come on back.Copy !req
310. - Thanks for taking the time.
- No, no.Copy !req
311. - So how did it go?
- Oh, it was a good trip.Copy !req
312. I met with Hassan,
and I met with the aviation prince.Copy !req
313. - You know what we need?
- An aviation prince.Copy !req
314. That's right.Copy !req
315. Well, let me tell you something.Copy !req
316. Sultan Bin Abu Azir ain't
what he used to be.Copy !req
317. Last time I was in Kuwait, he gave me
a gold-inlay Gadara sword...Copy !req
318. originated from the Binalhmar tribe.Copy !req
319. - What'd you get this time?
- Nothing.Copy !req
320. You wanna go to the Situation Room,
blow him off the face of the earth?Copy !req
321. Yeah.Copy !req
322. So the NSC Communications Office...Copy !req
323. cabled me a draft of the president's
radio address for next weekend.Copy !req
324. - Alan, it's a week...
- "At the close of the last World War...Copy !req
325. our nation was instrumental in the
creation of both the United Nations...Copy !req
326. and the Nuremberg War
Crimes Tribunal.Copy !req
327. Now, at the dawn of the millennium,
we cannot betray...Copy !req
328. that tradition of moral leadership."
He's made up his mind.Copy !req
329. It's an early draft.
It's not a big thing.Copy !req
330. I know that Hutchinson
and Berryhill are for it, but to me...Copy !req
331. to Fitzwallace, the Pentagon,
the House and Senate Armed Services...Copy !req
332. and House and Senate
Foreign Relations...Copy !req
333. it's a thing of catastrophic
proportions.Copy !req
334. Let's go inside and talk.Copy !req
335. - Hey.
- I'm not here.Copy !req
336. - I called and had you paged.
- Yeah?Copy !req
337. - I didn't know you were here.
- I'm not.Copy !req
338. - I think the jig is up.
- Clearly I'm here.Copy !req
339. But I'm not open. The president
was meeting with Hoynes...Copy !req
340. so I wanted to see how it goes.
- Listen...Copy !req
341. I see you picked Chicago over Cincinnati,
so your money's gonna be in my pocket.Copy !req
342. "If the president wins reelection...Copy !req
343. it's gonna be
on the vice president's coattails."Copy !req
344. You wanna know what's weird?Copy !req
345. I just said that exact same thing
a couple of days ago.Copy !req
346. I know. You know how I know?
Will Sawyer just told me.Copy !req
347. - Will Sawyer's in Myanmar.
- He got kicked out.Copy !req
348. - He's in the Room now.
- C.J., I said it.Copy !req
349. I said it in the W.A. meeting.
I said it at the end of the meeting.Copy !req
350. We were talking about areas where
Hoynes is polling stronger than... .Copy !req
351. It was... .Copy !req
352. I said to our own... .Copy !req
353. - Do I have a little time?
- A little.Copy !req
354. - Thank you.
- You're here now?Copy !req
355. Yeah.Copy !req
356. Ginger?Copy !req
357. I want you to page every junior staffer
and senior assistant...Copy !req
358. who works in the West Wing.Copy !req
359. I want them to assemble
in the mess in two hours.Copy !req
360. - What if...?
- If they can't be here...Copy !req
361. then they don't need to come
in tomorrow morning.Copy !req
362. - Hey.
- How you doing?Copy !req
363. - How'd you get here before me?
- I drove.Copy !req
364. - Should you be here?
- No.Copy !req
365. - Then what...?
- I need to know why you lied.Copy !req
366. - When?
- Donna.Copy !req
367. - I didn't lie.
- I saw your diary.Copy !req
368. When I was over that night. You keep
a diary. Why'd you say you didn't?Copy !req
369. - I don't keep a diary.
- I saw it.Copy !req
370. - You didn't, because there is no diary...
- Donna, it's me and you.Copy !req
371. - What's in it that you had to lie?
- It's me and you?Copy !req
372. You're investigating me, my friends,
my boss and the president.Copy !req
373. - That's right.
- I thought you were smarmy with your:Copy !req
374. - "You can laugh." Was that charm?
- Tell me what's...Copy !req
375. There is no diary.Copy !req
376. Eighteen U.S.C., 1001.
Lying to Congress:Copy !req
377. $ 10,000 and not more
than five years in prison.Copy !req
378. - Cliff...
- Eighteen U.S.C., 1505.Copy !req
379. Obstruction of Proceedings
Before Committees:Copy !req
380. Not more than five years.Copy !req
381. Two U.S.C., 192.
Contempt of Congress:Copy !req
382. $ 1000 and imprisonment
in a common jail...Copy !req
383. for not more than 12 months.
It was a perfectly innocent mistake.Copy !req
384. Let me talk to your lawyer
and help you walk this back.Copy !req
385. Just out of curiosity,
what would you say?Copy !req
386. That you thought you saw a diary...Copy !req
387. while you were hunting around
for your boxer shorts?Copy !req
388. You shouldn't be here.Copy !req
389. - Why?
- Why?Copy !req
390. - Yes.
- Because this country is populated...Copy !req
391. with unbalanced people, many
of whom find their way to Washington...Copy !req
392. as if the continent funnels them
into this one spot.Copy !req
393. He wants to abolish the penny?Copy !req
394. Not as much as he wants to give
his boss a reason why we can't.Copy !req
395. - Well, it's stupid.
- Yeah, the thing is, it isn't really.Copy !req
396. - Really?
- The majority of pennies don't circulate.Copy !req
397. They go in jars, drawers. 2/3 of
pennies produced in the last 30 years...Copy !req
398. have dropped out of circulation.
- You're reading about this?Copy !req
399. - It's interesting.
- No, it's not.Copy !req
400. The Mint gets letters with pennies
taped on notebook paper from citizens...Copy !req
401. who found them on the street...Copy !req
402. and mailed them in to help
with the debt.Copy !req
403. - Hard to believe that hasn't worked.
- It's bad for the environment.Copy !req
404. Production requires mining of tons
of copper and zinc each year.Copy !req
405. - Zinc?
- In 1982, they changed...Copy !req
406. the composition to 97.5 percent zinc
and only 2.5 percent copper.Copy !req
407. - Sam.
- I'm turning into a funnel person.Copy !req
408. Yeah.Copy !req
409. - Donna thinks you're still pissed at her.
- I'm not. I wasn't before.Copy !req
410. - When did she tell you that?
- Before she left.Copy !req
411. - You've heard from her?
- No.Copy !req
412. - She should be done by now.
- Here's a riddle:Copy !req
413. What's the most ubiquitous
man-made object in America...Copy !req
414. that doesn't interact with
any mechanism or machine?Copy !req
415. - The penny?
- The penny.Copy !req
416. You can't even throw it
in a tollbooth.Copy !req
417. - Well, except for Illinois.
- Why can you use it in Illinois?Copy !req
418. - That's an interesting question.
- No, it's not.Copy !req
419. - Hey.
- Hey.Copy !req
420. I'm gonna have something for you soon.
Toby's talking to some people.Copy !req
421. - Hey, are you a king?
- No.Copy !req
422. Somebody said you were hanging out
with some tribe...Copy !req
423. and they made you a king.
- I'm a god.Copy !req
424. I'm the only white man to ever
witness the sacrificial rites...Copy !req
425. of the Bau tribe of Fiji.Copy !req
426. I was almost a victim myself...Copy !req
427. until they made me
The Supporter of the World.Copy !req
428. - How'd you swing that?
- Using my Palm Pilot...Copy !req
429. I convinced them I had the power
to make the gods' writing appear...Copy !req
430. and more significantly,
predict the next day's weather.Copy !req
431. - So you're a god.
- The God of Good Harvest.Copy !req
432. I gotta go and bring my laptop.
It quacks when I have e-mail.Copy !req
433. - No, you're too tall.
- What would happen?Copy !req
434. They would paint your face
and other body parts black...Copy !req
435. so as to resemble a warrior
ornamented for feast or combat.Copy !req
436. Then you would be garroted
by a length of boar tripe.Copy !req
437. Yeah. No, good safety tip.Copy !req
438. - Alan Adamley here?
- Yeah.Copy !req
439. - Why?
- He's meeting with Leo McGarry.Copy !req
440. - Why?
- I don't know. Listen...Copy !req
441. you made a joke before.Copy !req
442. - Yeah.
- About being assigned here...Copy !req
443. until you can get a real reporting job.
- Yeah.Copy !req
444. - Was it a joke?
- Yeah.Copy !req
445. Okay. I'll have something for you
on the other thing soon.Copy !req
446. Thanks.Copy !req
447. - That's not true.
- John...Copy !req
448. It is not, Mr. President. Twenty-nine
states have'shall issue" laws.Copy !req
449. If you look at the state of New Jersey,
which has a'may issue" law...Copy !req
450. if you change that one word...
- I'm not saying...Copy !req
451. Changing that word means
law enforcement decides...Copy !req
452. who gets a concealed weapon
and when and where they carry it.Copy !req
453. Texas has a'may issue" law
in front of the legislature right now.Copy !req
454. - You going down there...
- It's suicide, and you know it.Copy !req
455. It's counter-scheduling. You tell an
audience what they don't wanna hear.Copy !req
456. It shows you have courage.Copy !req
457. The editors of The New York Times will
think I have courage, while the people...Copy !req
458. - You're a hero in Texas.
- I was a hero in Texas.Copy !req
459. Texans don't like your courage
of your convictions?Copy !req
460. They're not my convictions,
they're yours.Copy !req
461. Oh, yeah. I forgot.Copy !req
462. Mr. President...Copy !req
463. we're not gonna get anywhere
by treating gun owners like psychopaths.Copy !req
464. And particularly in the South,
where guns are a tradition...Copy !req
465. and a heritage that's passed on
from father to son.Copy !req
466. That's not good enough.Copy !req
467. - Sir...
- A tradition passed from father to son?Copy !req
468. We tamed the frontier, John.
We did that already.Copy !req
469. The NRA is gonna say you're taking
advantage of the shooting in Abilene.Copy !req
470. That you like when this happens.
It gives you a chance...Copy !req
471. Let them stand in this room
and say that.Copy !req
472. On this day.
Let them stand in this room.Copy !req
473. I like it?Copy !req
474. She was 9 years old.Copy !req
475. Green Bay lost.Copy !req
476. She was 9 years old.Copy !req
477. You know, last month in Idaho,
a man killed six members of his family...Copy !req
478. including his pregnant wife.Copy !req
479. And you know why the liberal
intelligentsia didn't go crazy?Copy !req
480. Because he did it with an ax.
You think we need ax control?Copy !req
481. Well, that is an excellent point.
I never saw it that way.Copy !req
482. - I'm playing devil's advocate.
- Tighter ax control.Copy !req
483. You come down on firearms,
tobacco and alcohol...Copy !req
484. but you let Griffith talk
about legalizing marijuana.Copy !req
485. - She didn't...
- Sir...Copy !req
486. You know what?
Last year, gun deaths: 30,708.Copy !req
487. Alcohol deaths: 35,450.Copy !req
488. Tobacco deaths: 400,000.Copy !req
489. Marijuana deaths: zero.Copy !req
490. This guy, the second shooter,
Rambo...Copy !req
491. he's gonna get a parade.
You know why?Copy !req
492. There was no sign posted
in the church...Copy !req
493. saying you can't carry
a concealed weapon.Copy !req
494. I'm just playing devil's advocate.Copy !req
495. She was 9 years old.Copy !req
496. Two things. One, technically it's not
just a court for war crimes.Copy !req
497. - Technically?
- And two...Copy !req
498. the president hasn't
made up his mind.Copy !req
499. - The U.N. has.
- The U.N. made up its mind in 1948...Copy !req
500. when they recognized genocide.
- Yes...Copy !req
501. A crime so immense
as to exceed the jurisdiction...Copy !req
502. of any single court or government.
Alan, systematic extermination...Copy !req
503. of civilians, enslavement, torture,
rape, forced pregnancy, terrorism... .Copy !req
504. Doesn't the world need
a permanent standing body...?Copy !req
505. National sovereignty is at stake.
Americans are answerable to no one...Copy !req
506. but their own government and laws.
- Yeah.Copy !req
507. The U.N. is not
a democratic organization.Copy !req
508. There's no input
into its deliberations by any...Copy !req
509. Come on, the court is designed
with plenty of safeguards...Copy !req
510. to say nothing of if we don't
subject ourselves to the treaty...Copy !req
511. it'll encourage other countries.Copy !req
512. You don't think that'll undercut
the U.N. 's campaign against war crimes?Copy !req
513. - Excuse me. Excuse me, general.
- Hey, Sam.Copy !req
514. - Margaret wasn't here.
- What do you need?Copy !req
515. - No, if you're busy, I can come back.
- We're eliminating genocide.Copy !req
516. - What are you doing?
- Eliminating the penny.Copy !req
517. So I'll come back.Copy !req
518. - Yeah.
- See you later.Copy !req
519. - Hey.
- Hi.Copy !req
520. - How'd it go?
- It went fine.Copy !req
521. - Just background, right?
- It was fine.Copy !req
522. - Is Josh in his office?
- He's around someplace.Copy !req
523. Thanks.Copy !req
524. The only thing pennies interact with
are coin-wrapping machines...Copy !req
525. people buy to get rid of pennies,
which proves the point.Copy !req
526. - What point?
- I don't know.Copy !req
527. - It went okay?
- Fine.Copy !req
528. - How'd it go?
- I need to talk to you for a second.Copy !req
529. - What happened?
- Can we go in your office?Copy !req
530. - Hey, how'd it go?
- Fine.Copy !req
531. - What happened?
- They asked if I kept a diary...Copy !req
532. and I said no.
Only I do keep one.Copy !req
533. - Why'd you say that?
- I don't know.Copy !req
534. - You don't know?
- Nothing in it is relevant.Copy !req
535. Does anyone know
you keep one?Copy !req
536. Nobody knows I keep a diary,
except Cliff saw it.Copy !req
537. - What do you mean?
- After the deposition...Copy !req
538. Cliff told me he saw the diary
when he was in my apartment.Copy !req
539. I swear, it wasn't premeditated.
Nothing in it was material...Copy !req
540. You don't get to decide that!Copy !req
541. You don't get to decide
what's material, Donna!Copy !req
542. - Keep your voice down.
- This is how it happens.Copy !req
543. They got nothing on the president
with MS, then you hand them...Copy !req
544. - I know.
- You were subpoenaed!Copy !req
545. - You were under oath!
- I screwed up.Copy !req
546. You think?Copy !req
547. - What should I do?
- Do nothing.Copy !req
548. Do absolutely nothing.Copy !req
549. There's an old saying:Copy !req
550. Those who speak don't know,
and those who know don't speak.Copy !req
551. I don't know if that's true or not...Copy !req
552. but I know, by and large, the press
doesn't care who really knows what...Copy !req
553. as long as they've got a quote.Copy !req
554. Friday, we had our'week ahead"
meeting in the Roosevelt Room.Copy !req
555. Some of you were there,
most of you weren't...Copy !req
556. but I'm talking to all of you now.Copy !req
557. Bruno Gianelli and I were leading
a discussion...Copy !req
558. about whether the president
should stop in Kansas...Copy !req
559. on his way back
from the West Coast.Copy !req
560. And I remarked that the vice president
is polling better than the president...Copy !req
561. right now in the plains states.Copy !req
562. And if the president is reelected,
it'll be on the vice president's coattails.Copy !req
563. That remark got
to a White House reporter.Copy !req
564. We're a group.Copy !req
565. We're a team.Copy !req
566. From the president and Leo on through,
we're a team.Copy !req
567. We win together.Copy !req
568. We lose together.Copy !req
569. We celebrate and we mourn together.Copy !req
570. Defeats are softened
and victories sweetened...Copy !req
571. because we did them together.Copy !req
572. And if you don't like this team...Copy !req
573. then there's the door.Copy !req
574. It's great to be in the know.Copy !req
575. It's great to have the scoop,
to have the skinny.Copy !req
576. To be able to go to a reporter and say,
"I know something you don't know."Copy !req
577. So the press becomes your constituents,
and you sell out the team.Copy !req
578. So an item will appear
in the paper tomorrow...Copy !req
579. and it'll be embarrassing to me
and embarrassing to the president.Copy !req
580. I'm not gonna have a witch-hunt.Copy !req
581. I'm not gonna huff and puff.
I'm not gonna take anyone's head off.Copy !req
582. I'm simply gonna say this:Copy !req
583. You're my guys.Copy !req
584. And I'm yours.Copy !req
585. And there's nothing
I wouldn't do for you.Copy !req
586. - That was unexpected.
- Yeah.Copy !req
587. You're a good deputy, Sam.Copy !req
588. - What do you mean?
- That.Copy !req
589. - You won money on football, didn't you?
- Yeah, but I mean it anyway.Copy !req
590. What can I do for you today?Copy !req
591. Give me a good reason why we can't
support the elimination of the penny.Copy !req
592. - The Legal Tender Huckleberry Bill?
- Modernization Bill, yeah.Copy !req
593. - It'll never get to the floor.
- Why not?Copy !req
594. - Where's the House speaker from?
- Illinois.Copy !req
595. Which is the only state where you can
put pennies in a toll machine. Why?Copy !req
596. - It's because...
- Lincoln's from Illinois!Copy !req
597. - And so's the speaker.
- Yes.Copy !req
598. That's a good reason.
Well, it's a dumb reason.Copy !req
599. - But it's good enough, right?
- Sure.Copy !req
600. - Thank you.
- Yeah.Copy !req
601. - And thanks for the other thing.
- Yeah.Copy !req
602. - Hi.
- Hi.Copy !req
603. - What do you need?
- You called me.Copy !req
604. Yes, I did. Well...Copy !req
605. Toby made the remark in response
to some new polling data.Copy !req
606. It was offhand.
Obviously, he meant it as a joke...Copy !req
607. and he regrets it.
- Okay.Copy !req
608. - He'll be happy to go on-the-record.
- No, that's all right.Copy !req
609. - What do you mean?
- I don't need him.Copy !req
610. - You won't let Toby explain himself?
- I'm not writing it.Copy !req
611. - Why not?
- It's not news.Copy !req
612. - Really?
- Yeah.Copy !req
613. Okay.Copy !req
614. I'll see you in there.Copy !req
615. - You weren't joking before, were you?
- When?Copy !req
616. - When you said...
- No.Copy !req
617. - Why do you think this is a bad beat?
- I don't like being a stenographer.Copy !req
618. And I don't like writing gossip.Copy !req
619. I read a column where a lady bemoaned
the decade of scandals she covered...Copy !req
620. as if the news was to blame
for the quality of journalism.Copy !req
621. I don't know if there's ever been a more
important time to be good at what I do.Copy !req
622. Can you imagine how much
I don't give a damn...Copy !req
623. about what Toby said to a staffer?Copy !req
624. Yeah.Copy !req
625. All right.Copy !req
626. You can sit anywhere you want.Copy !req
627. A hundred and thirty-nine countries
have signed.Copy !req
628. Thirty-five have ratified.
Once 60 ratify, that's the ballgame.Copy !req
629. - You want to be left out?
- Absolutely.Copy !req
630. - This'll raise 19 kinds of hell in Congress.
- What doesn't?Copy !req
631. There are already extreme Republicans
who are attaching amendments to bills...Copy !req
632. cutting off military aid to any
NATO member that signs the treaty.Copy !req
633. - That won't happen.
- And committing the U. S...Copy !req
634. to forcibly rescue any American
soldier held and tried in such a court.Copy !req
635. Leo, this commits the United States
to a scenario...Copy !req
636. where we'd be invading Holland.Copy !req
637. How much of this is about
hedging our bets?Copy !req
638. - It's not...
- We set up Nuremberg!Copy !req
639. We set up the Tokyo War Crimes Trial.
And that was fine.Copy !req
640. Until we realized the Cold War threat
would take precedence.Copy !req
641. So when the German rocket scientists
came here to help us get into space...Copy !req
642. Oh, please.Copy !req
643. we looked the other way while
SS officers followed right behind...Copy !req
644. protected by American
intelligence services...Copy !req
645. because they were gonna help us
with the communists. Oh, please, Alan.Copy !req
646. So how much of this
is hedging our bets?Copy !req
647. You remember
Operation Rolling Thunder?Copy !req
648. Yeah. I think I do. Yeah.Copy !req
649. - September, 1966.
- Yeah.Copy !req
650. You were piloting
an F-105 Fighterchief.Copy !req
651. This was our first unit, the 355th
Tactical Fighter Wing out of Thailand.Copy !req
652. I was forward air commander.
I gave you your directions.Copy !req
653. "From IP, heading 273
for 10.5 miles...Copy !req
654. your target is north-south
running bridge over river...Copy !req
655. 1 kilometer to the tree line
running east-west."Copy !req
656. Yeah.Copy !req
657. - It was a military target.
- It was a civilian target.Copy !req
658. It was a dam.
There were 11 civilian casualties.Copy !req
659. Why did you tell me that?Copy !req
660. Because you could be charged
and tried for a war crime.Copy !req
661. Why did you tell me that?Copy !req
662. All wars are crimes.Copy !req
663. - We've been here a while.
- Yeah.Copy !req
664. - Maybe we'll call it a day, huh?
- Yeah.Copy !req
665. I'll get you some time
with the president this week.Copy !req
666. I'd appreciate that.Copy !req
667. Thank you.Copy !req
668. Thank you.Copy !req
669. - Can I ask a question out of curiosity?
- Yes, sir.Copy !req
670. If guns are meant to deter the threat
of crime, why conceal them?Copy !req
671. I mean, wouldn't you want the criminal
to see that you've got a gun?Copy !req
672. - I suppose you would.
- Then what's the answer to that?Copy !req
673. I really don't know, sir.Copy !req
674. - You don't know?
- No, sir.Copy !req
675. The concern is with the threat
to the Second Amendment.Copy !req
676. We can't agree it's a stupid amendment
written before there were street lamps...Copy !req
677. and police forces, and move on?
- Sir.Copy !req
678. There's no need for a citizen militia.Copy !req
679. - I agree with you.
- Then say so.Copy !req
680. Forty percent of Americans
have a gun in their home.Copy !req
681. Only 16 percent believe gun ownership
is an absolute right.Copy !req
682. Only 9 percent believe
it's an absolute wrong.Copy !req
683. There's a middle.
We can win them.Copy !req
684. Not when we're running
the MS defense.Copy !req
685. Which we wouldn't
have been doing if...Copy !req
686. - If what, sir?
- Nothing.Copy !req
687. - Sir...
- You outed me, John.Copy !req
688. With that trip to Nashua,
with the oil companies.Copy !req
689. You wanted people to start
asking questions.Copy !req
690. I needed to start running because
nobody told me that I wasn't!Copy !req
691. And you announced
that I found out on television!Copy !req
692. So did my wife.Copy !req
693. This thing was mismanaged.
It was blown!Copy !req
694. - Yes, it was.
- Yes, it was.Copy !req
695. Not easy being my vice president,
is it?Copy !req
696. No, sir.Copy !req
697. I wouldn't think so.Copy !req
698. But it's the only way you're gonna get
the nomination. You know that, right?Copy !req
699. - If I win.
- Yeah.Copy !req
700. And the only way you're gonna win
is if I'm on the ticket.Copy !req
701. - You know that, don't you, sir?
- Yeah.Copy !req
702. You'll go to Texas?Copy !req
703. - I want a seat at the table.
- Yeah.Copy !req
704. - Mr. President?
- Yeah.Copy !req
705. - They're ready in the Briefing Room.
- Thank you.Copy !req
706. - I'll be back in my office.
- Yeah.Copy !req
707. - Is there anything else, sir?
- No.Copy !req
708. Thank you, Mr. President.Copy !req
709. There's a coffee shop across the street.
You'll read it there. You got an hour.Copy !req
710. I haven't read it.Copy !req
711. But if anything bothers you,
you'll issue a subpoena in the morning.Copy !req
712. You'll have it back before the end
of the day. If not, that's that.Copy !req
713. - Yeah.
- If I read any of this in the newspaper...Copy !req
714. or anything happens I don't like...Copy !req
715. I've got the entries
for October 4 and 5.Copy !req
716. What's October 4 and 5?Copy !req
717. You.Copy !req
718. That's fair.Copy !req
719. Thank you.Copy !req
720. It's starting to get cold already.Copy !req
721. It's gonna be fine.Copy !req
722. It's gonna be fine.Copy !req