1. Previously on
"The Rookie"...
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2. That's Aaron Thorsen.
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3. Rich kid.
TikTok famous
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4. before he got arrested for
murdering his roommate in Paris.
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5. I was locked in a cell
for 541 days.
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6. The person who murdered Patrick,
he's still out there,
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7. and no one is looking for him
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8. because they still think
that I did it.
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9. I don't want to be a part of
this reality TV show.
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10. Sweetie, it's only
gonna help you.
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11. I'm Morris Mackey. I'm
the reality TV producer here.
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12. I just want to say,
this has been so fascinating.
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13. I love true crime,
and to be in a documentary,
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14. it's just—
it's a dream come true.
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15. Thank you.
Thank you.
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16. Do I just...?
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17. You're back.
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18. Another crazy story—
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19. how could I stay away?
Thank you.
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20. You good to go?
Um, yeah.
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21. Where should I, uh—
where should I start?
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22. Why don't you, uh, tell me
about Aaron Thorsen?
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23. Well, Aaron came
to the F. T. O. program
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24. with the deck stacked
against him.
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25. He had to sue the LAPD
even to get into the Academy.
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26. I mean, you have to respect
just how hard he fought
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27. just to be here.
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28. Uh, but what happened in Paris
never left him,
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29. no matter how hard he tried
to move on.
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30. People would argue that doing
a reality show
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31. is the opposite
of moving on.
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32. Well, those people
haven't experienced
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33. what it's like
to be infamous.
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34. I mean, Aaron was desperate to
reset the way the world saw him.
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35. And it all blew up
in his face.
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36. Yeah.
Yeah, it really did.
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37. I can't believe this
is happening to me again.
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38. It's nice
to see you again.
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39. Mm-hmm.
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40. And congratulations
on the baby.
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41. Thank you.
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42. Did being pregnant
make what you went through
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43. with Aaron
more stressful?
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44. Not here to talk about me.
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45. Fair enough. Uh,
let's talk about
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46. the reality show.
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47. Okay.
It was his mom's idea.
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48. It was a way to rebrand
his image.
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49. And what did you think
of the title?
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50. No comment.
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51. Seriously, though.
You have to have
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52. had an opinion—
Listen, you're not
gonna get me
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53. to say that dumb-ass title,
so let's just move on.
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54. Yeah, so back there
is my parents' room
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55. and the family room.
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56. Um... Oh, right here,
this is my favorite photo.
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57. I was 6.
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58. And you might recognize
my dad.
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59. He was part of a '90s rap duo,
Flex n' Flow.
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60. That's them right here.
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61. Yeah, man, when I was a kid,
I used to love
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62. riding my tricycle up and down
this hallway.
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63. Until he knocked over my Music
Industry Achievement Award
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64. and broke it.
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65. Aaron tried to put it back
together with Play-Doh,
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66. thinking we wouldn't notice.
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67. But that's my son, always trying
to get away with something.
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68. Not anymore.
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69. I mean, now he's...
very responsible.
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70. Over here, we got
my childhood bedroom.
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71. What the hell?
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72. Hey, I never had
this picture of Patrick.
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73. Did you put this here?
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74. We just thought it'd be
a nice surprise.
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75. Man, Morris, what the hell
did I tell you, man,
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76. about faking stuff like this?
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77. Relax.
Uh, not a big deal.
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78. We just wanted to do it
for a take.
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79. Yeah, man,
that's not cool.
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80. You know what?
You're right.
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81. My bad.
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82. We'll— We'll do it again,
but without the photo.
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83. Okay.
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84. Yeah, okay.
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85. Got that?
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86. Morris was white-hot
from doing
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87. several award-winning
documentaries in a row.
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88. The king of those
"30 Under 30" lists.
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89. He had a real gift
for earning people's trust,
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90. convincing them
that he was on their side,
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91. that they have a say
on the final cut.
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92. Then— surprise—
they didn't.
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93. Hey.
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94. Sorry. I, uh, totally forgot
this was happening today.
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95. We just started.
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96. Uh, don't forget to tell him
about the, uh,
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97. forensics expert.
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98. I know.
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99. And the, uh—
the French prosecutor.
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100. I sent you that interview, right?
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101. He was biased against Aaron
from the jump.
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102. I'm a decade older,
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103. but Aaron and I
had similar upbringings—
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104. rich parents,
private schools.
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105. I'm just lucky social media
didn't exist.
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106. Look, if I was
in Aaron's generation,
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107. I would have just as much
embarrassing footage as he did.
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108. Of what?
You studying tort reform at 15?
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109. I got into trouble.
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110. Uh-huh.
Okay.
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111. The point is, when you grow up
in this world,
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112. you don't hear "no" a lot,
which can make you a real ass—
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113. can make you
a very selfish person.
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114. Ooh-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo!
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115. Yo, they only got,
like, five pairs of these
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116. in the whole world,
and I got a pair.
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117. You don't have a pair,
but I do.
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118. What's up, what's up?
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119. Hey, yo, what up, everybody?
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120. It's your boy, AT!
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121. My guy Patty P right here.
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122. We got a pool party tonight.
Everybody come through.
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123. Got the matching,
you know?
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124. Got the matching.
And the shoes.
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125. Hey.
Have fun.
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126. You know what it is.
Hey! Whoa!
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127. You know the vibes.
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128. You know the vibes!
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129. $30,000 a bottle,
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130. and he didn't drink a sip.
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131. That boy lost his mind.
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132. I had to get him out
of his comfort zone.
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133. I mean, I-I thought, you know,
a semester abroad
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134. would've helped him mature,
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135. so I sent him to Paris.
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136. I was on scholarship.
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137. University of Michigan.
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138. Go Wolverines.
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139. I don't know why I said that.
Can I please start over?
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140. You're doing fine.
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141. Uh, when did you first meet
Aaron and Patrick?
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142. The program held a mixer
when we first arrived.
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143. It was mostly just a bunch of
awkward college students
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144. butchering French,
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145. but Aaron and Patrick were from
this whole other world.
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146. First impressions?
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147. I mean, honestly, they seemed
like entitled douchebags.
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148. But then I got to know them.
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149. You know,
it was like another planet—
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150. Planet Rich.
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151. Patrick was the funniest.
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152. All that stuff you saw
on Instagram,
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153. no, that's not who they were.
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154. Yeah, I mean, we went from
the Two Musketeers to Four,
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155. you know, just like that.
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156. Me, Patrick,
Rowan, and Everest,
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157. we were, uh, inseparable.
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158. And uh...
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159. Man, that feels like
so long ago.
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160. Are you nervous about
the reunion?
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161. A little.
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162. Or a lot.
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163. Yeah, I mean, um, I haven't seen
them since the trial.
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164. And they all went home,
graduated from college,
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165. got jobs, and...
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166. I went to prison.
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167. Do they believe
in your innocence?
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168. Yeah, 100%.
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169. They've both said that.
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170. You know, there can be
a big difference
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171. between what people say
and what they believe.
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172. Sorry. Let's—
Hold on.
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173. Let me reset that.
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174. Sorry.
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175. Ro, Ro,
good to see you, man!
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176. Yeah, you too, man.
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177. Yeah.
You look so different.
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178. Yeah, I'm a little older.
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179. No, it's not that.
I don't know.
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180. You're like
a different guy.
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181. Something like that.
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182. I think I'm gonna cry.
Hey.
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183. No, no, no crying.
You're gonna mess up my makeup.
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184. Oh!
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185. Oh, I'm sorry
I didn't come sooner.
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186. No, d— don't worry about it, really.
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187. I'm just glad
to see you guys.
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188. Alright, so let's,
uh, get inside.
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189. I got food, drinks...
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190. cameras, and, uh...
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191. I'm sorry.
This is so weird.
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192. Hey, it's fine. We're just happy
to see you, bro.
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193. Yeah, me too.
Yeah.
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194. Yeah. Alright.
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195. Guys, I got to swap out
my battery.
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196. Give me a second?
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197. Okay.
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198. What the hell?
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199. Holy—
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200. Morris Mackey's throat
had been cut.
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201. By the time
his body was found,
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202. he'd been dead approximately
four hours.
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203. And who were
your initial suspects?
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204. Everyone who stepped foot
in the house that day.
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205. Including Aaron.
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206. Everyone.
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207. Good morning.
Good morning.
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208. It's nice to see you again.
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209. Nice to see you!
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210. I heard you were happy
with how
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211. the last documentary
came out.
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212. Oh, my God.
It was so good, and— and—
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213. And I got so many compliments.
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214. Oh, that's great.
How about you?
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215. Didn't see it.
Can we get started?
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216. Uh, yeah.
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217. So, tell me what happened when
you arrived at the scene.
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218. We were
the first responders.
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219. Whoa.
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220. Okay.
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221. It was a... frenetic day.
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222. So many people— so—
so many personalities.
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223. But when you're talking
a star-studded crime scene
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224. with a witness list comprised
mostly of influencers,
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225. I guess that's
no surprise.
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226. Alright, look,
even with all those cameras
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227. and phones rolling in the house,
none of them caught anything
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228. even remotely helpful
to our investigation.
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229. Yeah. Luck?
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230. It just wasn't in our cards
that day.
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231. What?
Why are you so happy?
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232. I am being colorful.
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233. They will use more
of our coverage
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234. if we give them evocative
sound bites.
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235. I'm right, right?
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236. Can we get back
to the murder?
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237. I followed protocols.
You know, I— I called it in,
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238. cleared the house,
did everything right.
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239. Mm-hmm.
You believe me, right?
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240. O-Of course.
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241. I mean, but we have to
follow protocol, too.
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242. It's gonna be okay.
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243. I can't believe this
is happening to me again.
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244. I know.
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245. A-Are you okay?
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246. I think I'm having, like,
a panic attack.
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247. Oh, okay.
Uh, just sit down,
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248. and I'm gonna grab you
some water, okay?
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249. I'll be right back.
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250. Show's over.
Time to go.
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251. What? Uh, no, no, no.
No, it's not.
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252. This is my house,
my production.
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253. The show goes on.
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254. Connor, keep filming.
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255. Yeah, that's not
how this works.
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256. This is
my crime scene.
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257. Shut it off now.
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258. Shut it off!
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259. There was nothing
we could do.
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260. Well, thanks for coming out.
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261. Yeah.
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262. Our paramedic crew was
short-staffed,
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263. and since we're all EMT-trained,
I was subbing in.
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264. Oh, I don't understand.
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265. Why were you called in
at all?
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266. He was clearly dead, right?
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267. You have no idea how many people
I see look that way
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268. and then spring back to life.
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269. Oh. Interesting.
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270. And what did you think
at the time?
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271. Did it seem to you
like Aaron did it?
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272. Of course not. He would never do
anything like that.
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273. Really? And you're confident
saying that—
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274. considering
your ex-husband?
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275. Wow. Okay.
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276. Ah, clearly,
you come prepared.
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277. Yeah, um, I—
I married a sociopath once.
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278. So maybe I'm not
the best judge of character.
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279. It's not about being
a good judge of character.
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280. We judge by the facts.
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281. And what did the facts say?
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282. At first?
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283. Not much.
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284. How long you been here
filming today?
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285. About three
or four hours.
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286. After rehearsal
this morning,
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287. they had Everest and me
in the kitchen,
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288. getting our hair
and makeup done
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289. while they filmed
other stuff.
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290. So you were in the kitchen
the whole time?
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291. Uh, well, I did sneak off
to crafty once or...
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292. four times.
I heard they had ice cream,
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293. and I've been dieting
like crazy
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294. 'cause I was gonna be
on television,
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295. and I heard the camera
adds like 10 pounds.
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296. Is that true?
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297. So when was the last time
you saw Morris?
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298. Honestly, I ain't seen him
all day.
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299. I was dealing with work stuff
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300. right up
until we started filming.
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301. And where were you
when Morris's body was found?
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302. In my office.
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303. And how would
you characterize
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304. Aaron's relationship
with Morris?
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305. It's important
you tell the truth.
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306. They didn't always agree about
the direction of the show.
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307. But my son,
he would never hurt anyone.
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308. Hey, do we really have
to do this in here?
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309. Yes, we do, son.
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310. Per government code 3300
and per Lybarger,
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311. I am required to advise
that you do not have
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312. the right
to remain silent.
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313. Anything you say can
and will be used against you.
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314. Refusal to fully
and completely answer
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315. all of Detective Lopez's
questions
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316. will result
in immediate termination.
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317. Do you understand?
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318. Yes, sir.
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319. And I'm here
to protect you
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320. as your union representative.
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321. This is your choice.
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322. But like
Sergeant Grey said,
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323. if you choose not to cooperate,
you will lose your job.
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324. Of course I'll cooperate.
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325. Good man.
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326. Alright.
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327. I'll leave you to it.
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328. I didn't kill Morris.
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329. When I saw him lying there,
like Patrick...
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330. I understand.
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331. But it was common knowledge
that you and Morris
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332. weren't on
the best of terms.
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333. Who are you with? TMZ?
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334. You still feeding off my grief,
you vultures?
Come on, guys.
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335. Morris,
what are you doing, man?
Get 'em out of here, man!
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336. Get out of here now!
Go!
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337. Yeah, what he did
to Patrick's dad
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338. was callous and exploitative,
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339. but I wouldn't kill him
for it.
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340. Yeah, that was bad.
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341. Aaron pulled over Patrick's dad
in a routine car stop.
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342. It was
a total random reunion,
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343. but Morris and his cameraman
were there filming,
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344. and that just made
everything worse.
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345. Dexter Hayes, he was a—
a grieving father, you know?
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346. And he— he took a swing
at Officer Thorsen,
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347. so we had to book him,
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348. but we let him go
as soon as we could.
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349. And, you know, I thought
that would be the end of it.
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350. But you suspected
that Patrick's dad
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351. could have killed Morris?
We did.
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352. He was furious
about "Every Rose Has A—"
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353. about the reality show.
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354. And after years of the press
feeding off of his grief,
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355. yeah, it was believable
that he could've snapped.
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356. This is absurd.
You do know that?
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357. Alright, sir,
can you tell me where you were
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358. yesterday afternoon?
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359. I was in the office,
morning to midnight.
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360. Ask any one
of my employees.
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361. I didn't do this.
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362. Any idea who did?
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363. I can tell you that
whoever killed that man,
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364. his last name is Thorsen.
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365. I blame myself for ever letting
them into Patrick's life.
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366. They're a sick family.
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367. And Aaron is not
the only killer among them.
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368. What did he mean by that?
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369. You know
what he meant by that.
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370. And we knew
from the reality show
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371. that Morris gave
Aaron's father a clear motive.
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372. And that's what I was thinking
for the opening theme.
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373. Yeah?
Yeah.
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374. I like it.
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375. You do?
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376. Almost as much
as I like you.
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377. Mm.
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378. You're so sweet.
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379. Oh.
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380. Hey!
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381. You hooking up
with my wife, man?
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382. Linc,
it's not what you think.
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383. Boy, you better get
the hell up out of here!
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384. What the hell was that?
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385. Are you seriously doing this
to me again?
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386. In my own house!
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387. There's footage
of Lincoln catching
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388. Morris and Yvonne
in an intimate moment.
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389. That had to factor
into your investigation.
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390. Jealousy is
a primal motive.
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391. And some believe
that Lincoln had killed
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once before.
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393. He was a suspect in
a 20-year-old murder, wasn't he?
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394. Yes, he was.
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395. What can you
tell me about your father's
hip-hop duo, Flex n' Flow?
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396. I mean, I was, like, a baby,
you know,
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at their height.
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398. And, uh, that was the year
"Make Da Noise" went platinum.
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399. Flex n' Flow
had one of the most
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of the late '90s.
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401. Oh, my God.
"Make Da Noise"?
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402. That's like one
of my go-to karaoke jams.
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403. Can I be interviewed
alone?
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404. Yeah, we comin' for you.
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405. Oh, yes, that's me.
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406. I was a Flow Girl.
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407. Wait. What?
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408. There was a scout who saw me
cheering in high school,
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409. and he asked me to audition.
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410. At first, I thought he was
just trying to get in my pants.
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411. But it turned out to be legit,
and it was for Flex n' Flow.
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412. I was the biggest fan.
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413. What are you
wearing, by the way?
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414. Oh, I teach capoeira
on Thursdays and Sundays.
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415. Oh.
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416. Did you ever see
Flex n' Flow argue
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with them?
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418. Mm, I mean... well, sure,
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419. but nothing serious.
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420. They were like brothers,
and brothers fight.
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421. What do you say to the people
who are convinced
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killed his late partner?
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423. Oh, honey, this alleged "feud"
between Linc and Calvin
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of proportion over the years.
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425. But what about the night
of Calvin's murder?
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426. The infamous pre-release party
for "2 Hype Homies"?
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427. Did the party
get a little wild? Sure.
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428. Did the police come
and break it up? Mm-hmm.
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429. And did Linc and Calvin argue?
You bet.
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430. But they were just
passionate people.
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431. And nobody
ever threatened nobody.
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432. Yeah, they, uh—
they threatened each other.
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433. I was there.
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434. I was a rookie officer then.
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435. And my T. O. and I had got
a 415 call
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436. for an out-of-control party.
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437. It was a record release event
for Flex n' Flow.
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438. But anyway,
as we were breaking things up,
Copy !req
439. I saw Flex n' Flow
in each other's faces.
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440. Could you hear
what they were fighting about?
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441. No. Um, as I approached,
their limousine was pulling up.
Copy !req
442. But Flex— um—
Copy !req
443. um, I'm sorry, Lincoln—
was still very hot.
Copy !req
444. He refused to get into the limo
with Flow, and, um...
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445. Yeah, he said
that he'd rather walk
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446. than to deal
with Flow's nonsense.
Copy !req
447. Um...
Copy !req
448. It was a good thing, too.
Copy !req
449. A devastating loss
for the music industry today,
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450. as Calvin Yard, one half
of the popular duo Flex n' Flow,
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451. was gunned down in Los Angeles
last night
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452. after leaving
his record launch party.
Copy !req
453. It couldn't have been
more than five minutes later
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454. that we got
a shots-fired call.
Copy !req
455. As Flow's limo was making
the turn on La Cienega,
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456. a car pulled alongside it
and unloaded 20 rounds
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457. at the rear of the vehicle.
Copy !req
458. Um, Flow was shot
seven times.
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459. Yeah.
Copy !req
460. That was my first homicide.
Copy !req
461. I'll never forget it.
Copy !req
462. It changes you.
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463. I did not have anything to do
with Calvin's death.
Copy !req
464. But at the time of
his murder, all the talk was—
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465. That was garbage, man.
Copy !req
466. All garbage.
Copy !req
467. I loved Calvin
like a brother.
Copy !req
468. You know, this—
Copy !req
469. this is
straight-up exploitive.
Copy !req
470. Calvin's murder was solved
decades ago, and you know it.
Copy !req
471. A man named Gary Brown
was convicted of Flow's murder.
Copy !req
472. It turns out Flow
was sleeping with Gary's wife.
Copy !req
473. So as far as the LAPD
was concerned, case closed.
Copy !req
474. Yeah, but the aura of guilt
haunted Lincoln's reputation
Copy !req
475. like a dark shroud.
Copy !req
476. I'm sorry.
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477. That was really good.
Copy !req
478. Thanks.
Copy !req
479. And with Lincoln alibi'd out,
you know,
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480. the investigation
focused on Yvonne.
Copy !req
481. Mrs. Thorsen, how long
had you been having an affair
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482. with Morris Mackey?
Copy !req
483. Please.
Copy !req
484. I was not sleeping
with him.
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485. But the footage— from
"Every Rose Has A Thorsen"--
Copy !req
486. we saw it.
That was for the show.
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487. What, are you saying
you staged it?
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488. It's a reality show.
Of course we staged it.
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489. I can prove it.
I have the rest of the footage.
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490. Boy, you better get
the hell up out of here!
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491. What the hell was that?
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492. Are you seriously doing this
to me again?
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493. In my own house!
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494. You got some nerve!
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495. L-Let's talk about all the women
you slept with
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496. when you were F-Flex?
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497. Cut!
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498. Cut, cut, cut, cut.
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499. Linc, buddy,
you're going off-script.
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500. "I can't believe
you're seriously
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501. doing this to me again"?
Copy !req
502. That's not the line.
Copy !req
503. Yeah, man,
I was improv'ing a little.
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504. Yeah, maybe not do that, okay?
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505. It's a lot more powerful
if this is the first time
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506. Yvonne has stepped out
on you.
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507. Okay.
So, Morris, how did I do?
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508. It was a bit big.
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509. Yeah, maybe, uh,
dial it back a hair.
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510. Let's go again.
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511. Back to one.
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512. Go.
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513. We're making a show, people.
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514. None of that was in the footage
you turned over to us.
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515. Oops. My bad.
Copy !req
516. We want everything—
now—
Copy !req
517. or you'll be arrested
for obstruction.
Copy !req
518. Ooh, that was good.
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519. Do you think I can get
a copy of that?
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520. That will play really well
in the show.
Copy !req
521. Mrs. Thorsen,
this is serious.
Copy !req
522. Morris Mackey was murdered
in your house.
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523. Your son
is still a suspect.
Copy !req
524. Just like the police
to only focus
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525. on what's
in front of their nose.
Copy !req
526. Morris Mackey didn't just appear
out of thin air
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527. when he started working
for me.
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528. Honey,
the man had enemies.
Copy !req
529. They're the crazy ones!
Copy !req
530. We're the sane ones!
Copy !req
531. You're the cult!
You're sheep!
Copy !req
532. Prior to working
with the Thorsen family,
Copy !req
533. Morris had been hired by a bunch
of QAnon conspiracy theorists.
Copy !req
534. Apparently, they didn't like
the negative publicity
Copy !req
535. they were getting,
Copy !req
536. and they wanted
to show their side.
Copy !req
537. Try to control
the narrative.
Copy !req
538. Mm.
So what happened?
Copy !req
539. Morris was allowed
into the inner sanctum.
Copy !req
540. Conducted dozens of interviews
with founders and followers.
Copy !req
541. But he didn't make
a propaganda film,
Copy !req
542. he told the truth.
Copy !req
543. We're in a war.
Copy !req
544. Every one of us is prepared
to start killing
Copy !req
545. for our freedom.
Copy !req
546. Morris may have won
an Emmy,
Copy !req
547. but he also pissed off
a lot of unhinged
Copy !req
548. and hyper-violent people.
Copy !req
549. The storm is coming.
Copy !req
550. There will be retribution.
Copy !req
551. I've heard rumors
that you have insight into
the QAnon angle on this case.
Copy !req
552. Have you ever tried to put
toothpaste back in the tube?
Copy !req
553. Look, I know
it's an expression,
Copy !req
554. but have you actually tried
to do it?
Copy !req
555. I have.
Copy !req
556. It's basically impossible.
Copy !req
557. And what do you think Q
is trying to tell people
Copy !req
558. with his Q-Drops,
these cryptic messages?
Copy !req
559. I really wasn't trying
to say anything.
Copy !req
560. I was just typing, and maybe
I got a little carried away.
Copy !req
561. Wait.
What did you say?
Copy !req
562. Well, I guess now is as good
a time as any to reveal it.
Copy !req
563. I'm Q.
Copy !req
564. Smitty is Q?
Copy !req
565. I'm sorry. What?
Copy !req
566. Lord, give me strength.
What?
Copy !req
567. A lot of writers
use pseudonyms.
Copy !req
568. Q is my first initial,
so...
Copy !req
569. Hey, is my name down there?
Copy !req
570. But it was an accident?
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571. He— He didn't start it
on purpose?
Copy !req
572. That's what he said.
Copy !req
573. Yeah,
sounds like Smitty.
Copy !req
574. I was trying to start
the fan-fiction club
Copy !req
575. for "This Is Us,"
and things just got out of hand.
Copy !req
576. What the hell
does "This is Us" fanfic
Copy !req
577. have to do with a cult?
Copy !req
578. I mistakenly mixed cough syrup
with diet pills
Copy !req
579. when I was writing
this satanic, alien story line
Copy !req
580. for Jack and Rebecca.
Copy !req
581. I woke up the next morning
and read it—
Copy !req
582. none of it made sense.
Copy !req
583. But, overnight,
I'd gotten so many followers,
Copy !req
584. I just went with it.
Copy !req
585. You can't put the toothpaste
back in the tube.
Copy !req
586. Morris had received threats from
hundreds of QAnon followers,
Copy !req
587. but when we started
investigating them,
Copy !req
588. one immediately stood out.
Copy !req
589. Tell me
about Connor Hart.
Copy !req
590. What about him
got your attention?
Copy !req
591. Well, he was working as a
cameraman on the reality show,
Copy !req
592. so— that.
Copy !req
593. Connor,
thanks for coming down.
Copy !req
594. I'm not in trouble, am I?
Copy !req
595. No. We just need to clear
a few things up.
Copy !req
596. I told you
everything I know.
Copy !req
597. I was getting a battery,
and he was just lying there.
Copy !req
598. I'm not sure
if you're aware,
Copy !req
599. but it's common to run
background checks on witnesses.
Copy !req
600. And when we looked into you,
we discovered
Copy !req
601. that you're a member
of QAnon.
Copy !req
602. No, no, no, I—
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603. I may have gone
to a political rally or two,
Copy !req
604. but I'm really
not into that.
Copy !req
605. I swear.
Copy !req
606. We're in a war.
Copy !req
607. Every one of us is prepared to
start killing for our freedom.
Copy !req
608. The storm is coming.
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Copy !req
610. So, clearly,
you are a follower of Q.
Copy !req
611. Why would you work
for Morris?
Copy !req
612. Honestly?
Copy !req
613. I realized
Morris was the best thing
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614. that could have happened
to the movement.
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615. That makes no sense.
Copy !req
616. But it does.
Copy !req
617. Morris's documentary exposed
who was a true believer.
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618. And who wasn't.
Copy !req
619. He never admitted it,
Copy !req
620. but I think Morris
was working for Q.
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621. That's why I followed him
to the next gig.
Copy !req
622. Do you still consider yourself
a believer of Q?
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623. Well, some stuff
didn't come true.
Copy !req
624. The London bombing,
the Pope's arrest,
Copy !req
625. Zuckerberg still has a job.
Copy !req
626. January 20th
came and went,
Copy !req
627. March 4th came and went.
Copy !req
628. I'm starting to think Kennedy
is still dead.
Copy !req
629. Both of them.
Copy !req
630. Mm.
Copy !req
631. So you don't believe
in Q anymore?
Copy !req
632. Oh, I believe every word.
Copy !req
633. Connor was, um—
Copy !req
634. Deranged?
Copy !req
635. Let's say...
reality-challenged,
Copy !req
636. which doesn't make him
a killer.
Copy !req
637. No. And the fact that he had
a camera on his shoulder
Copy !req
638. for the entire
murder window
Copy !req
639. means that he couldn't
have killed Morris,
Copy !req
640. so we were back
to square one.
Copy !req
641. When the QAnon lead
didn't pan out,
Copy !req
642. how did you pick up
the pieces of the case?
Copy !req
643. We rolled up our sleeves
and put in the hours.
Copy !req
644. We took on
the painstaking process
Copy !req
645. of reviewing
every piece of video Morris shot
Copy !req
646. in the weeks
before he died,
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647. including the footage
Yvonne "forgot" to give us.
Copy !req
648. Until I found something
that changed everything.
Copy !req
649. Lopez!
Copy !req
650. Come look at this!
Copy !req
651. So I immediately informed
Detective Lopez
Copy !req
652. of what I discovered.
Copy !req
653. Look what I just found.
Copy !req
654. Wow.
Copy !req
655. What?
Copy !req
656. Look.
Copy !req
657. Okay.
Copy !req
658. I thought I knew everything
about Patrick's murder.
Copy !req
659. I had done my homework.
Copy !req
660. But the truth was hiding right
in front of me all this time.
Copy !req
661. I know
who killed Patrick Hayes.
Copy !req
662. And I can prove it. I—
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663. Uh, someone's here.
Copy !req
664. More to follow.
Copy !req
665. That video
was recorded
Copy !req
666. minutes before
Morris was murdered.
Copy !req
667. I mean, Morris
claiming that he knew
Copy !req
668. who the killer was
must've been energizing for you.
Copy !req
669. Finally. A break
in your roommate's murder—
Copy !req
670. No, he—
He wasn't my roommate.
Copy !req
671. And I— I hate when people
call him that—
Copy !req
672. you know, like we found
each other
Copy !req
673. on some French Craigslist
or something like that.
Copy !req
674. Patrick was my best friend,
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675. from the time
that we were little kids.
Copy !req
676. I mean, I was at his house
so often,
Copy !req
677. his dad bought us
two of everything,
Copy !req
678. you know, like siblings.
Copy !req
679. Yeah,
Patrick was my brother.
Copy !req
680. How did it feel to hear
that Morris thought
Copy !req
681. he'd discovered
who killed Patrick?
Copy !req
682. I mean, there had been
so many theories over the years.
Copy !req
683. And so many people think
that they had it figured out.
Copy !req
684. I— I just never really
got my hopes up about it.
Copy !req
685. This was different, though.
I mean, he made a break
Copy !req
686. in the case
and died minutes later.
Copy !req
687. You have to see
the connection.
Copy !req
688. Well, uh, in the words
of Detective Harper—
Copy !req
689. We look for facts,
not stories.
Copy !req
690. Yeah, sure, but, I mean,
the timing—
Copy !req
691. I mean, these murders
had to be related.
Copy !req
692. Whoever killed Patrick
also killed Morris.
Copy !req
693. Is it possible
Morris found out
Copy !req
694. that Aaron was the killer
all along?
Copy !req
695. Not a chance.
The Paris police
Copy !req
696. never had a shred of evidence
against Aaron.
Copy !req
697. They fumbled
the entire case.
Copy !req
698. Right off the bat,
the paparazzi
Copy !req
699. completely contaminated
the crime scene.
Copy !req
700. But Aaron's DNA
was all over the murder weapon.
Copy !req
701. You mean the knife
the killer pulled
Copy !req
702. from the kitchen block
on Aaron and Patrick's counter?
Copy !req
703. What— What do you want to bet
that if we went to your house,
Copy !req
704. we'd find your DNA
all over your stuff, too?
Copy !req
705. I mean—
Copy !req
706. Was that too mean?
Copy !req
707. No, that actually
felt good.
Copy !req
708. It was a dumb question.
Copy !req
709. From the beginning,
the French police's case
Copy !req
710. against Aaron
seemed flawed—
Copy !req
711. Oh, yeah.
Their case was a mess—
Copy !req
712. and their forensics
were compromised.
Copy !req
713. I mean, the theory
that Aaron killed Patrick
Copy !req
714. because he didn't do his share
of the chores never made sense.
Copy !req
715. For one thing,
they had a housekeeper.
Copy !req
716. For another,
Aaron is not a psychopath,
Copy !req
717. which you would have to be
to stab your roommate
Copy !req
718. for leaving dirty dishes
in the sink.
Copy !req
719. I mean, I've come close to
stabbing him over dirty dishes,
Copy !req
720. but that's different—
we're married.
Copy !req
721. Mm.
Copy !req
722. What do you say
to the theory
Copy !req
723. that Aaron had a falling out
with his roommate?
Copy !req
724. Aaron and Patrick
were out partying that night.
Copy !req
725. Does that sound like
a broken friendship
Copy !req
726. careening towards murder?
Copy !req
727. By his own admission, Aaron was
taking prescription drugs.
Copy !req
728. Yeah. For a football injury
he got in high school.
Copy !req
729. They impair your ability
to operate heavy machinery,
Copy !req
730. not— not turn you
into a hardened killer.
Copy !req
731. Aaron passed out early.
Copy !req
732. Woke up in the middle
of the night.
Copy !req
733. Went to pee
and found Patrick's body.
Copy !req
734. The French police took one look
at a young Black man,
Copy !req
735. and decided he was the killer.
Copy !req
736. I mean, they didn't even pursue
any other suspects.
Copy !req
737. Bonjour, I appreciate you
speaking with me.
Copy !req
738. Your accent
is terrible.
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739. Um, Detective,
you've been accused
Copy !req
740. of leading an incredibly biased
investigation—
Copy !req
741. Mais non.
Copy !req
742. We followed the facts.
Copy !req
743. Mm. And the fact
that Patrick picked up
Copy !req
744. a woman at the club
that night?
Copy !req
745. Collette Lavinge?
Copy !req
746. She was seen leaving
the apartment
Copy !req
747. before the time of death.
Copy !req
748. Understand?
Copy !req
749. What about her jealous,
controlling boyfriend?
Copy !req
750. Did you interview him?
Copy !req
751. No. We did not.
Mm.
Copy !req
752. But the thing that
ultimately got you released
Copy !req
753. from prison was the
identification of this man.
Copy !req
754. Yeah.
Collette's boyfriend, Julien.
Copy !req
755. Handsome. French.
Copy !req
756. And, you know,
let's just say it—
Copy !req
757. he's super white.
You know?
Copy !req
758. Uh, what is—
Copy !req
759. What is "Finance Bro"
in French?
Copy !req
760. Shouldn't you know that?
You spent years in France.
Copy !req
761. Yeah, but I didn't—
I didn't retain it.
Copy !req
762. It was actually a group
of Internet sleuths
Copy !req
763. who found
Collette's boyfriend.
Copy !req
764. They spent countless hours
investigating Aaron's case.
Copy !req
765. They also pointed
the finger at dozens
Copy !req
766. of innocent people,
ruining their lives.
Copy !req
767. Yes. Some members of the group
took it a little too far.
Copy !req
768. We've been looking at the
Internet sleuths, actually.
Copy !req
769. Any chance you post under
the title "truecrimejunkie"?
Copy !req
770. I...
Copy !req
771. That— That—
That doesn't s—
Copy !req
772. I might have logged on once—
once or twice, yeah.
Copy !req
773. Seriously?
Copy !req
774. I mean, can you not see
how people would take that
Copy !req
775. as a clear sign of bias?
Copy !req
776. I categorically deny any
preferential treatment, okay?
Copy !req
777. How can you say
that with a straight face,
Copy !req
778. when it was revealed that Julien
was the son
Copy !req
779. of the French
Finance Minister?
Copy !req
780. Are you telling me you didn't
get a phone call asking you—
Copy !req
781. Merci beaucoup.
Copy !req
782. C'est terminé.
Copy !req
783. Merci.
Copy !req
784. Oh, come on. Don't do that.
Come back.
Copy !req
785. So, it must've been
so frustrating to learn
Copy !req
786. that the French police
knew his identity
Copy !req
787. before your first trial
and didn't say anything.
Copy !req
788. I mean, yeah.
The— The good news
Copy !req
789. was that the fact
that they ignored Julien—
Copy !req
790. uh, it got me my retrial.
Copy !req
791. But the bad news was the
unidentified DNA on the knife—
Copy !req
792. it— it didn't belong
to Julien.
Copy !req
793. So he—
You know, he had an alibi.
Copy !req
794. As horrible
as the experience was,
Copy !req
795. is there anything that you
actually miss from that time?
Copy !req
796. I miss?
Copy !req
797. God, no.
Copy !req
798. W—
Copy !req
799. Well, Carlos.
Copy !req
800. Carlos?
Copy !req
801. Yeah.
Copy !req
802. Uh, Carlos the Jackal.
Copy !req
803. He— He was my cellmate.
Copy !req
804. And, uh, man, pbht,
he has some stories.
Copy !req
805. So you're saying the Jackal
got you through
Copy !req
806. your year and a half
of incarceration?
Copy !req
807. No.
Copy !req
808. My mom did.
Copy !req
809. Yeah, I don't—
Copy !req
810. I don't think I would have got
through it without her.
Copy !req
811. Um...
Copy !req
812. She actually leased an apartment
in Paris
Copy !req
813. until I was released.
Copy !req
814. And, uh, she visited me
every week.
Copy !req
815. And I'll tell you what.
If they would have let her,
Copy !req
816. she would have been over there
every day.
Copy !req
817. Of course I moved to Paris.
Copy !req
818. I'm his mother.
Copy !req
819. I would have served the prison
time for him if I could.
Copy !req
820. You're a close family.
Copy !req
821. We are.
Copy !req
822. We've been tested.
Copy !req
823. Were you close
with Patrick?
Copy !req
824. Yes.
Copy !req
825. I adored him.
Copy !req
826. He was a wonderful boy.
Copy !req
827. According
to your friends,
Copy !req
828. you thought Patrick
was a troublemaker,
Copy !req
829. and a bad influence
on Aaron.
Copy !req
830. Anyone who said that
was lying.
Copy !req
831. Yvonne— were you in Paris
the day Patrick was murdered?
Copy !req
832. Of course not.
I was here in LA.
Copy !req
833. How do you explain
this footage,
Copy !req
834. taken the day
of Patrick's murder?
Copy !req
835. Oh, hell, no.
Copy !req
836. This interview is over.
Copy !req
837. Yvonne.
No. No.
Copy !req
838. We did not okay
this question.
Copy !req
839. Who do you think you are?
Copy !req
840. Fired!
Copy !req
841. I actually don't work
for you.
Copy !req
842. You need to kiss my ass.
Copy !req
843. Did you know
that your mother was in Paris
Copy !req
844. the day that
Patrick was killed?
Copy !req
845. What?
Copy !req
846. No, she was—
she was home in LA.
Copy !req
847. Mm. We have footage
of her shopping
Copy !req
848. on the Champs-Elysées
the night of the murder.
Copy !req
849. Okay, well, that—
That's impossible.
Copy !req
850. Isn't this her?
Copy !req
851. Okay.
Copy !req
852. Officer Thorsen,
come back.
Copy !req
853. Come on.
Let's finish this interview.
Copy !req
854. Hey, there he is.
Copy !req
855. You lied to me.
Jimmy, get down.
Copy !req
856. You lied to everyone.
Copy !req
857. I didn't want all
my private business out there
Copy !req
858. for all the world
to see.
Copy !req
859. Mom, you are literally
producing
Copy !req
860. a reality show
about our lives.
Copy !req
861. That's different.
Copy !req
862. I was on trial for murder,
fighting for my life.
Copy !req
863. Exactly.
Copy !req
864. The fact that I was even
in Paris on that night—
Copy !req
865. how does that help you?
Copy !req
866. And what was
your reaction
Copy !req
867. to the revelation
that Aaron's mother
Copy !req
868. was in Paris at the time
of the murder?
Copy !req
869. Like, bombshell.
Game changer.
Copy !req
870. I mean, none of this stuff came
out at the time of the trial.
Copy !req
871. This is—
Copy !req
872. It's so exciting,
what it means for the case—
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873. Not for Aaron.
His mom lied to him.
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874. Y-Yes, that—
Well, that is true.
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875. Thanks for coming back in.
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876. We just need
to clear something up
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877. about the night Patrick
was killed.
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878. Patrick? I thought this was
about Morris's murder.
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879. Oh, it's about both.
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880. See, you felt Patrick
was a bad influence on your son.
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881. So you flew Aaron to Paris
to separate them.
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882. Only Patrick
followed Aaron there,
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883. so you took matters
into your own hands.
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884. You flew to Paris,
you killed Patrick.
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885. But somehow Morris
found out,
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886. so to keep
your deadly secret,
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887. you killed him too.
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888. Yeah,
that's a fun theory—
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889. a good story—
but you're wrong.
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890. Then explain
why you went to Paris
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891. and why you kept it
a secret.
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892. Because I was
with Jean-Pierre Darby.
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893. Who?
The footballer?
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894. Yes, we met a month before,
at a fashion show in Milan.
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895. I'm— I'm sorry.
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896. You went to Paris for an
international bootie call?
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897. Yes.
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898. And we were in bed
all night.
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899. Ask him.
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900. Hell, ask the neighbors.
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901. They were determined
to convict you.
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902. Had it come out
that I was in town,
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903. they would've used it
against you,
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904. said that we were conspiring
to kill Patrick.
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905. Coming clean would've only hurt
your case, made it worse.
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906. Yeah, you know what? I forgot
how good you are at that.
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907. At what?
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908. At justifying yourself.
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909. You lied in a murder trial,
you cheated on your husband,
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910. and now you're the hero, right?
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911. Yeah. Sure, Mom.
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912. We'll go with that.
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913. You accused Aaron's
mother of the murder.
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914. With almost no evidence
to back it up.
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915. I— I did.
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916. And, uh, in my defense,
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917. I'd been scrubbing
reality show footage
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918. for over 200 hours
at that point.
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919. So who broke the case?
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920. Oh, that was
Detective Lopez.
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921. My wife is a badass.
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922. We knew the murders
were connected.
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923. And we knew that
Patrick's murder in Paris
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924. was never
properly investigated.
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925. So I dug
back into that case.
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926. Right now I'm just trying
to build a timeline,
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927. getting to know more
about Patrick's life.
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928. What did the four of you do
that last month?
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929. No detail is too small.
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930. Um...
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931. Let's ask my brain.
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932. I can tell you one thing
that we definitely didn't do.
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933. Go to class.
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934. I mean, Aaron's parents
let him borrow their private jet
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935. anytime he wanted,
so we went all around Europe.
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936. I mean, Italy.
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937. Greece.
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938. French Riviera.
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939. Can I see?
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940. Yeah.
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941. I thought—
screw school,
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942. when am I ever gonna get to
visit planet rich again, right?
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943. So, Santorini
for the weekend?
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944. Yes, please.
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945. These photos of you guys
on the tarmac,
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946. you always have
so much luggage.
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947. I know.
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948. Rowan always acted like
it was the Oregon Trail.
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949. Why?
Every time I've seen him,
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950. he was wearing a golf tee
and jeans.
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951. Not exactly
a clotheshorse.
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952. Oh, uh...
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953. True.
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954. I wonder
what was in there.
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955. Did you ever see Rowan
with drugs back then?
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956. I mean— yeah.
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957. He was always kind of
"the life of the party,"
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958. if you know what I mean.
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959. Why?
Before Paris,
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960. Rowan's family in Iowa
was in financial trouble.
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961. He almost dropped
out of school.
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962. Now he lives in Brentwood
and drives a Porsche.
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963. I guess?
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964. I— I see
you're very excited,
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965. and I love that—
I— I'm not really following.
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966. I...
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967. Hey, Nolan.
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968. Where's Rowan?
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969. Uh, he just left.
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970. Why? I thought
you were done with him?
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971. I was— until I realized
he's the one who killed Patrick.
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972. Alright. Here we go.
Here we go.
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973. Nice, nice.
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974. Bro, it's been crazy.
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975. I've added like
half a million followers
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976. from all the publicity.
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977. What? You think, uh—
You think, uh, Aaron did it?
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978. Pbht. Of course he did.
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979. The guy's a total psycho.
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980. Okay, watch this—
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981. Aw. Fudge.
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982. Hold on,
I'm gonna do it again—
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983. Okay, okay.
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984. Rowan.
What the hell?
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985. We got a warrant
for your arrest.
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986. What?
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987. For what?
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988. For the murders of
Patrick Hayes and Morris Mackey.
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989. Oh, snap.
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990. That's crazy.
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991. And wrong.
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992. I didn't—
why would you even think that?
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993. Because Patrick found out
you were smuggling drugs
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994. in Aaron's private jet, and
threatened to tell the police.
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995. Somehow Morris found out
that you killed Patrick
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996. to protect your secret,
so you killed him too.
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997. Come on.
That's— I mean—
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998. That's so— so wrong—
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999. - Hey! Rowan!
- Rowan!
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1000. Okay.
Bro, wait.
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1001. - Oh.
- Oh, snap.
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1002. You okay?
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1003. Alright, you're fine.
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1004. Stand up.
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1005. Put it down.
You're under arrest.
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1006. Rowan always had
these crazy plans.
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1007. You know,
"Let's go to Morocco,"
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1008. or, "Dude, I heard about
this sick party in Ibiza..."
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1009. And I— I—
I never thought about it,
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1010. but he was the one who decided
where we were flying to always.
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1011. And, you know,
now, looking back at it,
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1012. with "cop eyes," I mean,
it is so obvious
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1013. that Rowan
was up to something.
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1014. I just could never see it.
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1015. I mean,
Patrick did, though.
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1016. But, like, why— why—
why didn't he tell me, you know?
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1017. We talked about everything—
you know, why wouldn't he—
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1018. why wouldn't he tell me
about this?
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1019. You know, if he had...
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1020. everything—
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1021. everything
would've been so different.
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1022. Aaron.
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1023. Is it true?
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1024. Yes, sir.
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1025. Rowan Clauson confessed
to murdering Patrick.
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1026. I'm so sorry
I didn't believe you.
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1027. Can you ever forgive me?
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1028. Of course.
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1029. After all this time, the case
of who killed Patrick Hayes
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1030. was finally solved.
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1031. But the question
that lingers is—
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1032. is whether the emotional wounds
will heal—
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1033. Feels gross, right?
Yeah.
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1034. Two people were dead.
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1035. Even after you catch the guy,
it's still just awful.
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1036. I'm just glad
the truth finally came out.
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1037. Aaron's innocence is now proven
without a doubt.
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1038. He deserves to move on
with the rest of his life.
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1039. And we'll be here
to help him do that.
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1040. And now that it's over,
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1041. what's your view
of Aaron Thorsen?
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1042. Ah.
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1043. I will admit, it took a minute
for Aaron to win me over.
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1044. But once he did,
I knew he'd be a good cop.
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1045. Alright, I'm done.
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1046. Uh, wait.
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1047. This is not gonna air before
his training is done, right?
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1048. 'Cause I gotta—
I gotta keep him hungry.
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1049. I never once stopped
believing in my boy.
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1050. Has he forgiven you
for the lie?
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1051. He will.
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1052. There's nothing our family
can't get through.
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1053. It looks like Aaron
will finally be able
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1054. to put all this behind him.
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1055. That's— That's not really
how it works.
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1056. I mean, as someone
who has had friends killed,
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1057. you never really
get closure.
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1058. All you can hope for
is that the memories of them—
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1059. the— the good times
you had together—
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1060. are what you see
when you think of them.
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1061. How does it feel,
having the truth come out
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1062. after all these years?
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1063. I-I— I don't know.
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1064. It's—
It's still sinking in.
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1065. This is obviously gonna make
compelling episodes
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1066. of your reality show.
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1067. Oh, no. That—
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1068. "Every Rose Has A Thorsen"
is not moving forward.
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1069. I mean, it was—
it was a mistake to do
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1070. in the first place, yeah.
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1071. I mean, the only reason
why I did agree to it
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1072. was to rehabilitate
my image.
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1073. Um, but ironically it ended up
doing something even better—
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1074. which was uncover the truth.
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1075. So what
are you gonna do now?
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1076. Live.
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1077. Mm-hmm.
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