1. Good morning, simulation farmers!
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2. This is the Pyromoth keeping you warm
on the Ribbon and cool in your heart.
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3. Here's a little melody
from the old Cuddle Cats
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4. with their classic hit
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5. "Let Me Up, Let Me Down,
But Don't Let Me In."
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6. [DJ] Good morning!
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7. Ah!
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8. Thanks for activating me, Master.
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9. Which simulated universe
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10. - will you enter today?
- Hmm.
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11. Mmm, Earth 1-9432.
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12. Due to an easily avoidable
operator error...
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13. - ... all beings on this Earth
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14. - have been destroyed.
- Ah, shit.
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15. Deleting Earth.
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16. Earth 4-169,
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17. due to yet another operator error,
is undergoing a zombie apocalypse.
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18. You picked Glasses Man.
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19. This sim has a 23 Charisma rating.
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20. Great choice!
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21. Targeting Glasses Man.
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22. Avatar selection screen.
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23. - Lady Charlotte, Pig Lord...
Mmm.
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24. - ... Mr. Liftup, Poppy...
I gotta get a new avatar.
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25. Beach Body.
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26. Whoa!
Beach Body selected.
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27. Merging with Simulator in...
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28. three, two, one...
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29. Free the weed! Free the weed!
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30. Yeehaw!
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31. God!
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32. Oh, no! Glasses Man, no, no, no!
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33. Please don't be dead! I'm sorry!
Please don't be dead.
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34. Your little glasses,
I'll fix your glasses.
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35. I'm the president.
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36. Whoa!
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37. Cool.
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38. Do you mind if I record you
for my, um...
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39. vid-cast... data-cast...
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40. Data-stream. My data-stream.
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41. It goes out to everyone in the system.
It goes into space.
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42. Sure.
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43. Okay, great.
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44. It just takes a second to set up.
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45. - Sorry about this. Wait, hold on a second.
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46. I guess... Well, I just want to thank you,
first of all.
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47. It's a privilege, man.
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48. I know you've gotta be
incredibly busy right now
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49. with the zombie apocalypse
happening around you.
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50. Yeah, zombies...
I really don't wanna talk about zombies.
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51. Okay. What about the marijuana protesters?
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52. - Those assholes?
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53. First of all,
people don't understand my point of view.
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54. They think somehow I'm anti-pot
or anti-legalization.
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55. Right.
- I'm not actually "pro" either.
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I'm pro the American system,
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57. pro letting people determine their laws.
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58. - Right.
- I don't think this is...
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60. have a... You know, if somebody
pressed my face to the mirror and said,
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61. "Is it gonna be good or bad?"
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62. I think it might end up being
kinda not so good for people,
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63. but so, I'll deal with it. I—
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64. - But Frescher will deal with it.
- Mr. President?
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65. - Maybe it will be good.
- Excuse me...
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66. What? Can't you see
I'm doing an interview with...
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67. - My name's Clancy.
- I gotta get back to Clancy.
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68. - The zombies are inside the perimeter.
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69. Just get me a rifle, I'll take care of it.
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70. - You were saying?
- Oh, yeah.
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71. I read a recent study
that said medical marijuana was associated
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72. with close to 30 percent fewer deaths.
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73. It's actually... It's actually...
More data's come in since that.
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74. - What's the data?
- The data is if there's a lot of...
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75. If there's available recreational pot,
opiate use is way down.
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76. - So it is helping? Interesting.
- Simple. I know.
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I thought, "This could be the answer!"
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to the opiate epidemic
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on a lot of pot
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83. because the pill combo that they get
on the opiate and the benzodiazepines
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84. and the sleeping medicine... "A," kills.
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85. Absolutely, when patients die of drug use,
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86. that's how they die today.
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87. "B," perpetuates their pain,
and they're... and they're...
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88. they're, uh, disabled by it!
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89. - Yeah.
- They're disabled by it. They're helpless.
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90. Pot... Some people are on the couch
when they smoke a lot of pot,
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92. Well, one facet of marijuana
that doesn't exist in opiates
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93. - is that if you overdose on marijuana...
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94. Thank you, Mr. President!
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95. Hello!
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96. Thank you, Mr. President!
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97. - Hello.
- Mr. President, thank you!
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98. Anyway...
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99. - Um, your mind—
- You don't die.
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100. - You don't die.
- You don't die,
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101. but you are dragged through
your own personal neurosis,
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102. - inner weaknesses, fears—
- Oh, if you over...
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103. - If you have a, quote, "overdose." Yeah.
- People say, "I feel paranoid,"
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105. "The marijuana is showing
all these parts of myself
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want to deal with right now."
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107. That can create a lot of positive change
for people. Not all the time.
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108. A lot of times, I've definitely been
paranoid and the things I've worried about
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109. are ridiculous and absurd,
and when I sober up, it's...
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110. I recognize that, but a lot of times,
some of this stuff I'm shown
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I come out of that knowing,
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112. "Shit, man, I've gotta work on this.
I need...
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113. Why am I not exercising?
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114. I need to exercise more.
This is ridiculous.
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115. Why am I...
I'm drinking a little too much right now.
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116. I need to slow down drinking."
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117. That... Also, did I ever talk to you about
how I almost died on sleeping pills
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118. - years and years ago?
- No.
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119. Oh, God! Oh, man.
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120. Um, there was a—
A guy came to this party I was at...
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121. - selling sleeping pills at, like...
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122. - ... 12:00 p.m. at a party.
Bizarre.
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123. - Worst thing you could ever do.
- "Get in your cars now! Go home!"
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124. - Yeah, this is—
- "How much you were drinking?
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125. - Oh, perfect, good combo!"
- Yeah. And I bought some from him.
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126. I don't even know why I would do that.
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127. I'm well aware of the fact that
you should never, ever in a million years
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128. take benzos and drink.
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129. Never do it! It's what kills everybody.
This is the death combo!
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130. - It is.
- So I did it, and I remember—
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131. One of the death combos.
There are a few of them out there.
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133. and then I'm drinking and,
like, feeling relaxed, and...
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This is the danger of benzos.
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Yeah, you forget.
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136. I took another.
- Ambien does that. You forget.
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138. I hate this idea of "good" drugs
and "bad" drugs.
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139. There's no such thing
as a good and a bad drug.
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neither good nor bad, it just exists,
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or it exists in nature,
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that is the issue.
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- And what our individual biology is,
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145. and what it triggers and whatnot.
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146. That's the problem.
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148. What, if you're...
need to have a colonoscopy...
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149. - Valium or Valium-like drug— Good!
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150. Now, if you're just drinking absinthe
and partying and about to drive home,
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151. - really bad!
Yeah!
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152. Oh! Thank you, sir!
- Not because Valium's good or bad,
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153. 'cause the circumstance
and the relationship is bad.
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154. I'll never forget it, man.
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how many of the pills I'd taken.
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- God.
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158. And then I realize, "Oh, I can't move!"
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- Oh!
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I don't think that I could get up.
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161. - This is as I'm fading out into darkness.
- Oh, jeez!
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162. Then I woke up the next day,
thank God, and I was alive,
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163. - but if I had vomited, I would've died.
- That's it, that's how they die.
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164. - Yeah, I have a friend who died.
- It's called aspiration pneumonia.
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166. You don't have to vomit a lot either.
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167. Sometimes, it can just be reflux.
Sometimes, a little saliva.
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168. And it goes down the wrong tube,
gets into your lungs,
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169. and all the bacteria that's in your mouth
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170. goes into your lungs,
where it don't belong.
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171. You set up a pneumonia,
become septic,
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172. you go into shock and you die
in about 30 minutes, 50, 60 minutes.
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173. - It can happen fast.
- Oh, my God!
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174. - Those things are evil.
Yeah.
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175. - Evil, evil, evil.
- Well, no...
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176. In that situation. It's not the chemical.
The chemical's just a thing of nature.
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177. Mr. President!
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178. Look, we're gonna have to
initiate Alpha Protocol.
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179. Cool!
- Onward, Charlotte!
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180. Good luck, sir! It's been a privilege
to serve under you, and—
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182. I'm clarifying our sort of back-and-forth,
too, because I...
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183. You know, I love being around people
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184. that help me see the world through
new glasses. You're one of those.
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186. And so I'm open to all the stuff you say,
and I think it's fascinating.
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"But you could hurt somebody!"
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189. - I'm always like, "What if?"
- Yeah.
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the Founding Fathers
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- Yeah!
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That's right.
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"He could get insight and be happy
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195. and he'd realize what he was doing."
I thought, "Or he'd go darker!"
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196. - We don't know. That's true.
- It's the "or" that always—
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197. We'd better get out of here.
For sure.
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198. The zombies are coming. Come on.
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you know,
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200. "Health is about accepting
and perceiving and dealing with reality
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201. - on reality's terms."
- Mm.
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203. This is Chuck Charles.
If you wanna get saved— Get in!
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204. Come to the mall! Get in!
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that stayed with me,
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- Yes.
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- The metaphor is that it's compared
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the very top floor of this building
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211. The doors open up, you see
this amazing utopian nirvana situation.
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you'd never seen it before.
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and the elevator, the thing dings,
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at people in traffic again.
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for what hallucinogens do.
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Again, my contribution is, I went,
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219. "What if it doesn't let you off
on the first floor
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into the basement?"
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- Taking you lower.
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always worries about that.
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that it does take you lower.
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in a hot-air balloon
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of some beautiful mountain,
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gets blown off course a little bit.
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227. You've still seen the top of the mountain,
and I think that...
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- Die, die, die!
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- Come here.
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- Come on.
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- Yeah. Just keep moving.
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Why are we even running from them?
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I know!
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Let's just stand still.
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- Right here!
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that we're in control of it?"
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- Yeah, that's the big question.
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I think...
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this type of meditation which is, um...
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watching your breath
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emotions and the way your body feels.
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It's the practice of mindfulness,
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that you act, and the way that you feel,
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252. - and the way that you think.
- I think this is the cure!
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of a lot of the emotions
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- Yeah.
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that that happens. It happens!
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anger will come out,
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so I would, like...
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my printer didn't work one day,
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in my apartment,
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Woo-hoo!
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269. and that's why psychedelics
have been very useful to me.
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meditation has been incredibly useful,
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272. because now I can sit and I can meditate,
and then maybe the dogs will bark, right,
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273. - while I'm meditating.
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sort of flower inside of me,
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they say, "Look at it as though
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getting to watch a rare animal...
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As most of us do when anger comes in,
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we go into reactivity mode,
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280. which is, maybe, you would stop meditating
and scream at your dogs,
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to make them quiet.
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282. Behavior that amplifies it.
- Yeah, that's it. So you just watch.
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to a sweet flower with bitter roots,
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287. - Yeah, she's, like—
- Okay. All right.
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289. - Just breathe.
- We were planning a water birth.
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292. What?
- Oh, my God!
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294. He was talking about meditation
or something.
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295. Yeah.
Or just watching your feelings, you know?
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into the poisonous roots—
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or an insight way, if that makes sense?
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or do you have some sort of specific,
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or something?
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300. Well, it's called "noting,"
so you would... You can...
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- Yeah.
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kind of ambiguous...
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you're faintly aware of many times.
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- Yeah.
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of taking a microscope
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patterns that are happening inside of you.
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if you have a negative emotion,
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- Oh, come on!
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- What?
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- Oh, no.
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- Push. Breathing's before. Push.
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Isn't it breathing first?
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mental forms of analysis of these things
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of the way any emotional state or thought
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dissipates, and goes away.
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you're talking about happens
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that it's very difficult for me
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unless there's a presence.
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you know, you see in my field,
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as well as what you're describing.
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is a big part of the practice, too.
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the spiritual community,
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to get as close to the truth as we can.
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to meeting reality on reality's terms.
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is everyone's like, "Oh, reality sucks,
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where we sort of keep going backwards
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state until you get to the thing...
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- That's it.
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- And then you become pure awareness,
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that is what we really are,
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including our body,
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- Phenomenological field of phenomena.
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within this consciousness,
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353. and so the idea that I am alone,
or the idea that I am an individual,
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you're already not.
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356. 'Cause you're the thing and the observer
simultaneously meeting together,
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our bodies would be a fishing net.
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when you're high on acid?
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the zombies are...
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369. Now I see there's nothing to get in
and nothing to get out of!
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370. It's that simple!
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We will hand you the antidote crossbow.
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Blast the antidote harpoon now!
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Do you have any last words?
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383. Last words...
There's no such thing as a bad drug.
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here I am, all in one piece.
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388. Thank you so much,
oh, great denizens of the multiverse,
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390. And to my one subscriber,
Hernog Jenson, I live for you.
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391. You're the reason I wake up in the morning
with a smile on my face,
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392. so keep listening, Hernog,
and I'll see you in your dreams.
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help me see the world through new glasses,
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