1. I'm Penn, and this is my partner, teller.
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2. Tonight's show demolishes one of the most
beloved myths of our culture.
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3. No, it's not the Loch Ness Monster.
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4. No, it's not the unicorn either.
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5. And no Bible bullshitters.
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6. It's not even Satan.
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7. Today we'll take a look
at a completely mythological creature,
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8. one that doesn't exist in.
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9. Probably never did.
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10. The traditional American family.
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11. It's all bullshit.
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12. Ha ha ha!
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13. Okay, okay.
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14. Okay.
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15. Have.
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16. Boo! Boo!
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17. Boo! You!
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18. Back.
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19. You. Boo!
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20. The face of the American family
is changing rapidly today.
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21. At some point
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22. in their childhood, 1 in 2 children
will live in a single parent home.
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23. 1 in 3 children are born to unmarried
parents.
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24. There are 10 million single mothers.
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25. Nearly 10 million children live with gay,
lesbian or bisexual parents.
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26. Nearly 5 million couples who cohabit
without marrying,
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27. and one child that 25 lives
with neither parent.
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28. And these are real statistics.
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29. We didn't make any of them up. Honest.
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30. Tonight we're going to meet this
lesbian couple, this husband and wife
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31. and their boyfriend and girlfriend,
a couple of radio deejays.
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32. A guy who says marriage isn't a salad bar.
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33. Marriage isn't a salad bar.
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34. Two really smart social scientists.
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35. A kickass college professor. And this guy.
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36. He says he can make gay guys straight,
but I don't think he's that unattractive.
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37. But tonight's episode of bullshit begins
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38. with a true story about love, marriage,
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39. and family.
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40. Here in the land of new Jersey,
where children play in the streets,
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and lovely psychotherapist.
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42. She lives in this new Jersey home with her
delightful husband.
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43. He's a bankruptcy lawyer.
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sweethearts have two fabulous children.
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45. They are the perfect family,
but they're also more than that.
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what was truly important in marriage,
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sleeping with Julio.
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48. The bankruptcy lawyer was an outrage.
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49. No guns or crimes of passion for him.
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50. And he began sleeping with Amy.
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51. Not as revenge.
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55. We'll get back to this love shack later.
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57. America, marriage and family are changing.
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58. Well, it ain't what it used to be,
sister in the dark.
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59. Over quick.
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60. From this day forward.
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61. Until death do us part. Marriage.
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62. A declaration of love, honor
and commitment sanctioned by whatever
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63. God, your friends and vote hungry
politicians.
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64. We stand for institutions
like marriage and family,
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65. which are the foundations of our society.
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66. The question of marriage
and family is a question
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67. that all of us should be concerned about.
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68. Even if we're not married.
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69. This is Brian Brown.
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a conservative political organization.
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72. And we're going for a ride uptown
to the world of traditional marriage
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73. and shitty art.
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74. Marriage isn't just a private contract.
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77. Here's a friend of Brian's.
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he probably looks up to.
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sort of guy.
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80. A guy who claims to have never had sex
and definitely never raised kids.
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because he believes the voices in his head
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82. are the words of some supreme being,
he thinks we should all do it his way.
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83. You beat us up.
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85. However, Brian Brown has his own
translation.
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family values on the brain.
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and he's the host of a daily syndicated
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that reaches millions of people.
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92. Radio people always want to get on TV.
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93. We encourage marriage
because it is the best way
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for the survival of our civilization.
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95. What? Another radio guy.
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96. Okay, here's Tom Lucas,
and he thinks, well, a bit differently.
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97. You are paying for use of a vagina.
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I said the Pope was going to be the first
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100. to say vagina.
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our conservative stooge said?
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106. By marriage,
he means traditional marriage.
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107. One man, one woman. What?
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through hunting, gathering, farming.
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113. yes. The caveman argument.
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114. We've all heard this one.
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go back to Fred Flintstone times.
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116. It's the natural instinct,
blah blah blah blah blah.
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as a traditional family.
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imaginable, throughout history.
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of the Evergreen State College.
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123. If she ever watched The Flintstones,
she didn't like it.
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124. The most common marriage form in history
was one man and many women.
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changing the idea of one man,
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form in history.
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131. Marriage isn't a salad bar. Salad bar?
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unless that had pudding.
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what you thought you'd like.
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137. You sat down, serve the bride by people
who felt they knew better than you.
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so that the people who
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because it was a family alliance.
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protecting land and wealth.
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143. Brian Brown is a degree from Oxford
and is a grad student in history at UCLA.
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144. Has he been asleep at his desk
or is he knowingly talking bullshit?
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this is an idea thrown out by people
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147. and so want to create an alternative
history to buttress their claims.
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called the United States of America.
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real institutions and a real history.
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that most people would view
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in American traditions for a long time.
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half the time.
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as the traditional family,
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was actually a TV sitcom.
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and Harriet were no more real than Mr.
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about fucking Barbara Eden.
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based on the notion of romantic love.
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at New York University
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on Contemporary Families.
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wasn't ever between married couples.
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other than your spouse.
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and and sharing.
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and adventure in my marriage,
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for sweetness and sharing.
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people in the direction of those qualities
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for civilization to flourish.
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would be deferred gratification.
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for eight years
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and he's real subtle about it.
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that he doesn't already have.
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not to get married?
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and been through four divorces.
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arrangement and a bad one if you're a man.
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who's a hot piece of ass.
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you owned 100% of your corporation, right?
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when their corporation goes belly up?
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plus a check every month,
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for a man?
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a certain kind of love
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somebody else, or you're sexual with them,
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or wrong about that?
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nice home, minivan,
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and they're evil polyamorous bastards.
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infiltrated this happily married couple.
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they steal croutons.
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for me because I was raised a Catholic.
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I was a born again Christian.
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thought was weighing on me,
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these thoughts, not even acting.
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I thought, what a cool way to live.
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on who they can get close to.
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so they're not drooling sex perverts.
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sure aren't built for monogamy.
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you're on safari, or hang out of the zoo
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obsessive monkey fascination.
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they all fuck each other.
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who doesn't know shit.
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family model that we have been able
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growing up in a stable two parent family
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or a criminal record,
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and other sorts of outcomes
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are undesirable.
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that most social scientists agree on.
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you couldn't be more wrong.
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don't seem to agree with you on anything.
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authoritarian parenting.
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headed homes.
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of, children's
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than any other factor, certainly than one,
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or married couple parents.
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to get called asshole?
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and it's always pretty clear
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we're going to be on.
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to be bulletproof.
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with a dissenting view,
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with a real research team like ours.
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we check it.
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and we never take people out of context.
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of the International Healing Foundation
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over the last 15 years.
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same sex attraction
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what fixes fags and legitimizes lesbians?
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he'll single handedly crush the ratings
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gay two straight.org,
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coming out straight.
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in four languages now.
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I've helped hundreds of men,
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and fulfill their dream.
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that means a husband and a wife and kids.
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to renounce their homosexuality.
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than the traditional heterosexual family
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is mom and dad
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and healthy healthy masculine.
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role models.
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was unconditional love.
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happy kids in San Francisco.
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and Audrey is an obstetrician.
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to have their children.
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with sperm donated by Gator's brother.
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we know,
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or lesbian or gay families or.
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in the literally thousands of studies
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do best with both a mom and a dad.
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and not by the science.
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lives.
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reading to them.
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not all straight parents rinse lettuce.
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environment to grow and develop.
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of trying to raise
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and teach them about the world. And
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and get them to do their homework.
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but maybe we just got lucky
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same sex couple on the planet.
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with large groups to look at.
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that has been going on for 18 years.
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all I can say
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his research.
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seem to be doing a fine job?
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that they're going to raise gay kids?
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tell you how to live.
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or gay dads.
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especially when it isn't a science issue.
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and why you fuck or marry or both.
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what to do with their relationships.
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what you have to say about ours.
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what they describe as homophobia.
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420. So the only negative to having same sex
parents is the bigotry of other people.
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421. Meanwhile, back of the cozy
cabin in the woods, Straight arrow Dick
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422. Cohen is urging his client, Lee
to become part of a traditional family.
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423. Lee, who used to be gay
but doesn't want to be anymore.
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424. So they tell me, where are you at today
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425. regarding your sense of masculinity
and your same sex attractions?
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426. I'm secure in my masculinity now.
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427. I no longer have same sex attraction.
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428. It's.
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429. It's really important for me to have
that traditional family, because it means
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430. a lot of family is kind of like the basis
of providing and sharing.
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431. And I know you're going to be
a terrific father and a great husband.
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432. Thank you.
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433. The answer to every question
I ask is going to be Dick.
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434. Are you following me? Jack,
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435. what's the name of the psychotherapies?
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who was expelled from the American
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for violations of its code of ethics.
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that sexual preference
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440. Yeah.
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441. Okay. That.
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442. I made the journey myself
from Gate of Straight.
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443. I not only talk the talk, I walk the walk.
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444. well, it's a little more of a sashay.
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445. Some people said you're born this way.
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446. Accept it.
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447. This is who you are.
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448. And I knew that was a bunch of malarkey.
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449. I knew it wasn't how I was born.
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450. I knew I was destined to have
a wife and children.
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451. And teller
and I were destined to be cowboys.
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452. We're such fuckups.
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453. And then when you finally started
to get it with these healthy guys
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454. at your work. Yeah. Nonsexual love.
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455. Cherish. Healthy man. Love.
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456. Yeah. Healthy man. Love was
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457. just rejuvenating.
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458. For me, it was really good.
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459. Yeah, I healthy man love.
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460. So when they experience that healthy love
from man healthy man love,
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461. then they can wow feel I'm a guy
and experience their gender identity.
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462. And then naturally, heterosexual desires
ensue.
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463. It's the law of physics. Physics.
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464. Oh yeah. Right.
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465. It's Newton's first law of dick motion.
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466. A dick in motion stays in motion.
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468. Well, you know.
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469. Squeezing and tasting.
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470. Yeah. My middle man.
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471. Time for dinner with the foursome.
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472. The coolest part about a foursome is
that they can set the table really fast.
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473. But in their quest
for emotional and sexual satisfaction.
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474. Are they ignoring their kids.
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475. Like every kid there?
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476. Their needs have to come first.
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477. I've set up my my practice
so that I could drive my kids to school
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478. when they were in primary school
and in high school,
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479. because I wanted to spend time with them
every morning.
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480. This is Nan and John's son, Adam,
and he's grown up son.
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481. He also got an academic scholarship
and applied physics to college,
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482. and he's got a long term girlfriend.
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483. But just one.
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484. He's wacky kids, This family appears
to be happy and healthy.
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485. Don't they know they should be miserable,
wretched bastards.
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486. That's what the traditional marriage crew
wants us to believe. You.
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487. We can prove through remarkably bad
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488. app that there are a hundred times
more nontraditional relationships in.
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489. There are traditional.
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490. Here's how.
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491. In order to get Brian Brown
and Michael Medved, even that asshole
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492. Richard Cohen on the show,
we needed one sign release each.
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493. Nothing to it.
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494. They're all selling something
to get a couple
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495. who doesn't have a book deal
or any shit to sell.
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496. That's a little harder,
but still only two releases.
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497. But who knows what
their circumstances are.
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498. They may be private or feel that their
relationship is no one else's business
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499. to get a threesome.
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500. Not only do all three have to agree,
but they have to be so open
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502. has to know about the very personal matter
of their relationship.
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503. To find a foursome
who will all agree to sign releases
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504. who all have no secrets from anyone,
and more amazingly, all like our show
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that there are thousands of foursomes
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506. who would have some reason for one of them
to say no.
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507. The number of possible complications
or objections
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508. which could come from any single
one of them, is staggering.
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509. And then imagine that their son
has to sign a release too.
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510. And we have to have found them.
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511. Tell her.
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512. And I can't even agree
on where to have lunch.
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513. What are the chances? I'll.
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514. The whole fucking country
must be in a group sex.
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515. Then there's gay marriage.
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516. Guess who's against that too?
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517. The core claim of the same sex
marriage movement.
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518. When you really get down to the bottom,
the down and dirty is the gender.
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519. Doesn't matter what same sex marriage is,
is permanent and obligatory.
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520. Fatherlessness
or mother lessness for children.
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522. a father in their times
when children need a mother.
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523. I mean, if we're talking
about positive traits, I don't think
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that men have that women don't share.
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525. and there's something else
about gay parents that you may not know.
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they don't have accidental children.
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530. And so on average, gay
and lesbian parents do tend to be
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parents than heterosexual parents.
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532. The idea that same sex marriage is
what is a threat
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marriage is just crazy.
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534. It was heterosexuals
who led the way in cohabitation
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childbearing and divorce.
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you got one little section of the
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clamoring to get married.
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538. And you turn around, you say,
oh, you're the problem.
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539. That's nonsense.
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540. Or as you might say, that's bullshit.
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542. whatever institutions and rights
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to all your citizens.
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544. And the only reason not to provide
marriage to gays and lesbians
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in some way.
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is a loving group of people
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and take care of each other.
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550. And I feel like we certainly have
a loving family that fits that definition.
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551. But what about traditional families?
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552. I think traditional families are terrific.
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that nontraditional families
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and just as functional.
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556. Do we get that dog to sign a release?
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or the phrase the traditional family
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558. or traditional family values is such an
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560. It's easy to manipulate
because no one knows what it means.
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561. I think it is an attempt
to enforce through guilt.
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through intimidation, enforce
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values.
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to isolate us from each other.
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all the same?
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566. Do we want to be all the same?
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567. I think we could do a great deal
more as a society to make
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more successful than they presently are.
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569. If we would stop saying endlessly
that one is better than every other.
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570. Families change as history changes.
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571. There's no one family form
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successful kids and happiness,
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573. and there's no one family form
that's guaranteed not to.
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574. How your family looks is your business.
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575. Where husband, wife. And children
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577. who love us and who we love.
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579. No we can't.
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580. We envision a world where your life is
yours.
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581. You make your own choices about what
and who you like to do.
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583. The whole business is not a mine
or the government's.
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584. We want you to all live
happily ever after.
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585. Do whatever the fuck you want.
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586. Even dirty hands, shadows.
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