1. - Tonight, the full hour
devoted to Bill Hader.
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2. Writer, comic, impressionist, actor,
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3. now has a program on HBO.
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4. But before that, me and my
trusty sidekick Adam Eget
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5. will proceed with our opening remarks.
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6. I'm still getting my footing
here, interviewing people,
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7. because we were off a long time.
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8. - A long time.
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9. - Two years, that's ridiculous.
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10. - Quite a sabbatical.
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11. - We should never take
two years off again.
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12. - No.
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13. - So we have to keep finding our footing,
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14. just when we have our
footing we lose our footing.
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16. that we spend in between seasons,
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18. - So we're back in our real life,
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19. and I see you at The Comedy Store,
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and I gotta tell you,
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21. I feel like you've been down lately.
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22. That's a tough job.
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23. - It's a tough job, just in it's essence,
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24. in addition to all the
day-to-day mundane bullshit
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25. that you have to deal with on top of that,
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26. to also have people
disrespecting you constantly.
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27. - They disrespect you.
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28. - Yeah.
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29. - Well, it may be that you don't have
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30. a lot of formal education.
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forth of fifth grade.
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36. - Yeah, and so I've
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doing, very recently is,
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38. every day I find a new word.
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39. - A new word everyday?
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and I incorporate it
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what your new word is
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word for me was erudite,
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subjects and widely read.
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49. Sesquipedality, the use of long words,
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51. to connote pretentious
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to make veiled threats
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way more sexually potent.
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72. A feeble-minded asshole who
is a failure at everything,
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77. - Canuckodile.
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78. - Canuckodile?
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80. - Canadian?
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81. - Often found rummaging in
the dumpsters around Hollywood
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82. for toxic scraps to stuff in
his leering, hideous face.
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84. - Coprogustiac, a noun.
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drunk comedy club manager
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the foul-smelling sweepings
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with a Louisville Slugger.
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91. - No Norm I haven't heard that one.
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92. That's a good, it's a good word.
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93. It's a great word.
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94. - When we return, Bill Hader.
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95. Tonight, the full hour
devoted to Bill Hader,
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96. I'm told he's a deeply funny
man, and he'll be with us.
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97. He's a writer, he's an actor,
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98. he's an impressionist, he's
a producer, everything.
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99. And you probably know him
from Saturday Night Live,
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100. 'cause once you've done
Saturday Night Live,
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101. then that's gonna be
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104. - Yeah.
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105. - But Bill Hader is with us.
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106. We have a studio audience
for the first time.
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107. - Oh this is the first
time you're doing this?
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108. - Yeah, it's like when Tom
Snyder and Rona Barrett
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111. But my trusty sidekick Adam
Eget is here as always,
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113. because he chooses whoever goes up
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114. on the world famous Comedy Store stage.
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115. - Oh really?
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116. So you're constantly bumping people
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118. - That's the perfect example.
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121. - You're constantly having to be like
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124. - Yeah he's very polite about it,
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he's had to bump people.
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126. - There is a funny thing
about people that are rich,
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rich and famous, and rich,
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129. just take rich, y'know 'cause
he doesn't like the fame.
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they wanna be famous.
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133. Sam Simon, and he hired
Matt Labove, where's Matt?
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so a guy generally costs
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135. 10,000, 20,000 tops,
he paid the guy $50,000
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139. Matt Labove, who was my guy,
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140. he was like, I did the ESPYs,
and everyone hated my guts,
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"hey where's the party?"
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142. And the guy goes "I don't
think you should go."
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143. And Matt Labove goes, can I go still?
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144. I'm like yeah I guess.
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147. this show is not about Adam Eget,
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149. - Thank you.
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150. - Yeah Absolutely.
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151. - And I think you guys
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152. about documentaries, along
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153. Bill has made, sorry.
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154. - That's a strong choice.
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155. - Bill have made a bunch
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them are really crazy.
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173. - Like SNL you mean,
where it has to be messy.
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huge thing and I'm like,
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and the guy's hammering.
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it's a dumb idea guys."
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set we've ever had."
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Price, but why now."
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- Mike McKean, that's right.
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Shearer portrayed him,
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dead perfect, but not funny.
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someone perfect, and then
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while you're playing them
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a bunch of plates,
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his eyes are like this
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like this or whatever.
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to me with tons of props,
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always wore a Kangol hat.
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and then you can sell it."
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wife went to Mary Ellen,
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for finishing the show,
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the whole time I was there,
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get a hold of Mary Ellen
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'cause she was taking pictures.
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cool pictures of things.
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Paul McCartney's there,
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getting pictures with some,
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people but I want my kid to.
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and this other guy goes,
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photographer take it?"
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ever getting that picture."
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why would I get that?
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with him for some reason.
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person, and you end up.
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what's happening, what's up?"
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where I did a British accent,
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you did such a good job."
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some God awful band,
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McCartney with one of those.
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about South Park in a moment.
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CNN, he's never off.
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you in Boston one time,
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he was with Trey and Matt,
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said what are you doing,
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an established star on SNL.
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you wrote for it before,
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y'know you just write sketches
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so good at structure
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was trying to write movies,
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as a learning experience.
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these retreats we have,"
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the making of South Park.
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just sit there and laugh.
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529. - Yeah it's so much funnier
than any other animated show,
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because they can do it so fast.
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I'm always impressed with them,
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still act like each episode,
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stands on every episode.
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it in, and it really is
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this guy Vernon Chatman,
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like in that documentary,
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it, it's not working."
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feel like it sometimes,
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this to feel like a lifestyle."
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like we're creating a thing,
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and be like, well y'know
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this, we do other stuff.
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564. It's like, no, it's just super focused.
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565. - Oh and their movies were amazing
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570. - Oh I forgot about, The
Book of Mormon was amazing.
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scratch how to write a musical?
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Trey is like musically trained
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Q and then wrote Frozen.
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582. He wrote Avenue Q and Frozen, and
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but there is something.
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first thing I ever did,
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anything before that,
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being paid to create stuff
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like, okay so I got that,
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just hung out and helped
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603. it was almost like an afterthought,
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604. I was kind of helping with the writing.
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605. - So you just go places and
ask them if you can work.
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well I think the other thing
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of stuff that was bad.
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development someplace else."
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615. So I was like, well I
gotta learn how to do this.
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thing, they were great.
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Geffen, when he started,
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you long to meet everyone.
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and he was so good at,
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short conceptual sketches,
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first time ever where,
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we're like we have to
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which never happened.
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638. - Marika, she was great.
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640. - Yeah those are incredible.
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642. - Jim, y'know when I left, Jim was
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y'know very talented guys,
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I never understand that
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started doing stand-up
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"Well don't steal from me,
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with Bruce back then.
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Eliot Spitzer in a thing
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in the cold open this week,
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and Downey is writing it."
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folks at home, Eliot Spitzer.
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tell the folks at home?
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678. - No it was in New York?
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Spitzer impression,
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third season or something,
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Jim, and you have these
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where you'd walk through
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to his specifications,
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killed, it was so good.
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are like "Ah, Jim Downey,"
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him, just do what he says
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word here, this word here"
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back and forth, kind of like,
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the first time I ever said,
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affection for you personally,
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for us, that we used.
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he loved that character.
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graduation caps, was a thing.
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card, and he'd be like,
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John and I read that,
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National Spelling Bee winner,
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723. "I had 'em in my head and I
just wrote 'em out for you."
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the Half King, come over."
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baseball game with me."
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sports, like why would I.
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he wanted to surprise me.
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baseball game," I was like what?
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Murray, and Jim was so sweet,
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dad's from Chicago."
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742. we can just watch the game, don't do that.
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then I remember my wife
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745. came and joined us, and
then Jason Sudeikis came,
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746. I texted Jason like, I'm
at a bar with Bill Murray
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747. and it was like, he was suddenly there.
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and then I remember
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751. and how he lobbied hard
to get him to host SNL.
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these guys are like,
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he should host SNL."
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in Paul Newman movies.
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Sudeikis looking at me like.
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I'm so nervous right now.
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then my wife was like,
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like, "Did he have chops?"
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a little bit of a push,
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maybe it was the 20th,
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and did the lounge singer,
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him and we were all just like
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and the confidence he has,
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watching on the monitor
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and I ran out on the floor
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right next to the cards,
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wanna just see them working.
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would always do sketches
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Fart Face that no one liked,
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John," and it's like,
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killing himself in his office.
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you just cried in our office."
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then he kills himself,
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that was his character's name,
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do these sketches like that
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specifically 'cause he was like,
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would see Seth and everybody
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like, we gotta see this.
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on fire from five feet away.
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up a car on a movie set?
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let's see what happens,
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831. y'know with drinks and
shit, and we did Fart Face
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832. giving it our all, and
it was like watching a,
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833. you could hear a pin drop,
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834. it was like watching a Mamet play,
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835. if someone watched it
there were like no laughs.
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836. - How great is Josh Brolin?
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837. - Oh he was amazing.
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838. - I'd love to meet that guy.
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839. - Such a good guy.
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840. Before we went out, Josh Brolin
looked up at the audience
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841. and he went, "Well fellas,
let's shut these fuckers up."
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842. It was like the end of The Wild Bunch
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843. where he's like, "Let's
go! This is gonna bomb!"
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844. It was very liberating.
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845. - That guy's the man, have you seen
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847. The last one?
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848. - Hail, Caesar! no I have not seen it.
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849. - Well it's really badly promoted
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850. 'cause it makes it look like an old movie
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851. with George Clooney in it,
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852. but it's not, it stars Josh Brolin,
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853. and Josh Brolin has
this scene with Clooney
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854. where he throws him up against the wall,
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855. and this guy's so manly, Josh Brolin,
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856. I mean it's literally
a square jaw, y'know?
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857. And he's so cool looking and
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858. he just makes Clooney look like a woman.
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859. But boy I love Josh Brolin,
y'know when I was young,
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860. you're much younger than
me but when I was young
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861. his father was on Marcus Welby, M.D.,
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865. this was Will Forte's
sketch, but it sort of
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866. reminded me of his sense of
humor from what I know of him,
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867. but I thought it was a classic
that should be on forever,
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868. and they should just show it all the time,
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869. which was the spelling bee.
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870. - Oh it's unreal, unreal.
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871. - God, I laughed like a million...
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872. - That made me laugh, you know
who's great in that sketch?
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874. Chris Parnell is so fantastic,
'cause he's the judge,
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875. and if you guys don't
remember this sketch,
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876. Will Forte's a very nervous
guy in a spelling bee,
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877. and he has to spell business,
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878. and he goes,
"B-U-S-I-N-A-N-L-A-M-A-N-A-S-L,"
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879. and it goes on for like five minutes.
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880. At one point he just
starts going "Q-Q-Q-Q-Q,"
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881. like he's just spinning out, y'know?
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882. Like he knows he's wrong but
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883. he doesn't want to stop talking.
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884. And it just cuts to Chris
Parnell, and he goes, "Wrong."
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885. And the way he delivered
that, it was just like,
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886. I was on the floor for that,
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887. and the place went bananas
when Chris said wrong,
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888. and he waited just,
his timing was perfect,
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889. and the place just exploded, I was like,
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890. yeah that was unreal.
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891. - How do people not know that sketch?
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892. - Y'know what happened, that was
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893. the same show as Lazy
Sunday, so that was the big,
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894. I remember that, that was a hot show.
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895. - Lazy Sunday?
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896. Way back then?
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897. - Yeah it was Christmas, 2006.
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898. - So Lazy Sunday got all the...
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899. But Lazy Sunday, ehhh, it was okay.
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900. You know to me it reminded
me of the rapping granny.
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901. It wasn't the most, I mean
the performing was amazing,
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902. and the production values were amazing,
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903. but the idea itself, underneath.
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904. - Yeah, well those guys are my friends.
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905. - A white guy rapping.
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906. No I know, but this is not
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907. your friends I'm
criticizing, it's their idea.
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908. No I mean I would criticize
myself if I had that idea.
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909. But the idea of a white guy,
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910. y'know Martin Mull had a
fantastic, exactly the same idea.
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911. But a much funnier line,
he was a blues singer,
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912. a white blues singer, and he could
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913. play the guitar and stuff, and he goes,
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914. "I woke up this morning,
and one of my cars was gone,
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915. " I say I woke up this morning,
and one of my cars was gone,
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916. "I felt so bad deep down inside,
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917. "I threw my drink across the lawn."
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918. But anyways, we're gonna go to a break,
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919. and then one last section
with the inimitable,
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920. no he's imatable.
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921. - I'm pretty imatable.
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922. - Imatable is good.
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923. - That was a Letterman,
that was a Letterman laugh.
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924. - Imatable is good.
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925. I don't have a laugh, do
you have a good laugh?
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926. - Yeah I have a real annoying laugh.
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927. - If you don't have one it sounds fake.
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928. I try but it comes out weird.
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929. - Yeah it's, I have a
real obnoxious laugh.
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930. - I forgot he was here.
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931. - I know, the minute you
said that I was like,
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932. should he be talking to
the crew, did we cut?
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933. I guess we cut, he's talking to the crew,
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934. I guess I can go to the bathroom.
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935. - Back in a moment with Bill Hader.
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936. Back with Bill Hader and my
trusty sidekick Adam Eget.
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937. And I know Adam Eget had
a very important question
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938. that he wanted to ask Bill Hader.
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939. - Oh I was gonna ask Bill,
I think I already asked it.
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940. It was the thing about the
Documentary Now! and the band.
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941. - This is smooth sailing.
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942. - Well we were discussing
Book of Mormon in the break.
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943. - That's a good segue.
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944. - It was just a statement,
we were just discussing
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945. Book of Mormon, and then I got lost.
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946. - I was unhappy I missed
it, I did go see Spamalot,
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947. I'm sure you loved Monty Python as a child
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948. - Oh yeah growing
up, loved Monty Python.
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949. - Me too, so I go to Spamalot
and about 10 minutes in
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950. I realize, oh these
aren't Monty Python guys,
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951. they're just dudes.
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952. They were like the guys in high school
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953. that did Monty Python,
that you just hated.
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954. So I left, I just walked out.
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955. - I know those guys, the guys who would
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956. come up to you and be like,
"We are the nights who say Ni,"
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957. and you're like no, no, don't do that.
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958. - Y'know who's still funny is Cleese.
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959. Hysterically funny.
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960. Eric Idle not so much, but boy, Cleese.
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961. - I remember Lorne introduced
me to Michael Palin once
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962. and it was like the
Bill Murray experience,
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963. where I'm like.. everything I do is just,
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964. like I saw you, like what do you say?
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965. And I was just like, "Hi."
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966. - They did a sketch when I
was on, Cleese and Palin.
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967. It was funny, between dress and
air they went to the museum.
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968. They're so smart, y'know,
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969. everybody else is just hanging out.
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970. So anyways they did the parrot sketch
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971. and another sketch, so I'm running down,
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972. y'know you can see 'em live in dress,
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973. I mean not dress, in rehearsal,
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974. so I went down and they were there,
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975. and I was running by
Cheri Oteri and I said
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976. Monty Python, Cleese and Palin
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977. are gonna do the parrot sketch.
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978. She goes, "Is it good?"
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979. I'm like, aren't you a sketch actress?
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980. That's your job, your entire job?
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981. Wouldn't you know everybody?
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982. - Love Me Do, is that a good song?
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983. You're like, no are you joking?
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984. - But it bombed.
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985. - Yeah I think his people either
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986. didn't know it, or they knew it so well,
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987. it was like, cool they're doing it.
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988. I remember seeing that live,
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989. that was Kevin Spacey,
I remember that show.
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990. That was where you guys did
the Star Wars auditions,
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991. which I think is like
one of the best sketches
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992. of all time, favorite sketch.
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993. - They've done auditions since then.
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994. - Fully ripping that one off, yeah.
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995. Or just being like, let's do,
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996. we did Back to the Future, we did Top Gun,
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997. it's just a great impression parade thing.
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998. - It is, it's a great idea.
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999. Spacey was so amazing with impressions.
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1000. - His Jack Lemmon was great.
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1001. - Jack Lemmon as Chewbacca is one of
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1002. - So Goddamn good.
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1003. - He's like "I drove all the way
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1004. "From Beverly Hills to play a space ape?
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1005. "Before we put the
spaghetti in the machine,
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1006. "You mind telling me what
the hell this thing is?"
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1007. Oh my gosh, we'd quote that all the time,
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1008. it was so good.
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1009. - Did you have a Alec Baldwin there?
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1010. - Oh yeah, every season pretty much.
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1011. - He's amazing, I don't
know what he's doing now.
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1012. - He was unreal.
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1013. - He sends me weird tweets.
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1014. But he used to come when he
was a lot younger, I guess,
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1015. 'cause it was when I started,
which was 20 years ago,
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1016. and he was married to Kim Basinger,
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1017. and he'd complain about her, like,
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1018. y'know the most beautiful woman.
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1019. He'd go, "Ah, fuckin'
wife, she bought a town."
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1020. He was mad 'cause she bought a town.
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1021. - A town?
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1022. She bought a whole town, oh my God.
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1023. - Yeah so their credit
score went down a little.
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1024. - "We see you bought a town."
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1025. - But he was cool, there was a secretary,
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1026. I don't suppose you'd
call them that anymore,
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1027. but a pretty girl behind a typewriter,
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1028. whatever you call 'em,
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1029. and she was very sexy, y'know?
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1030. And so me and Downey and Steve Higgins
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1031. are trying to write,
and we're all burnt out,
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1032. and we have stains all over us,
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1033. and then he comes in,
Baldwin, looks perfect.
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1034. He just had dinner with Lorne,
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1035. and he's trying to be
like us, one of the guys,
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1036. and he goes, "That secretary,"
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1037. no not, he didn't say secretary,
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1038. he goes "That assistant girl out there,
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1039. "Man I'd saw my left leg off to fuck her."
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1040. - Jesus Christ.
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1041. - And I said, "I think all
you have to do is ask her."
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1042. - Yeah you're Alec Baldwin,
I think you're alright.
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1043. - But the coolest thing
he did, he walked in,
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1044. and he threw a whole bunch of cigarettes,
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1045. like he had 12 packs of cigarettes.
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1046. And I thought that was really cool.
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1047. He was a very, y'know some of the hosts,
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1048. as you know, were not very
involved in the writing.
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1049. - Yeah, no he was totally, he was,
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1050. - He could've been a cast member.
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1051. - He really could have
been a cast member, yeah.
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1052. And he was someone, too, when he came
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1053. he just elevated everybody,
'cause you were just like,
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1054. well you have to be on your game this week
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1055. 'cause Baldwin's here and he just, yeah.
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1056. - Did you ever do a sketch
with the wrong host,
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1057. and then regret it?
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1058. - Oh like you had an idea
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1059. and you picked the wrong host for it?
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1060. - Yeah.
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1061. - I probably did, yeah.
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1062. We did a sketch, it's online,
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1063. that Rob Klein and John Solomon wrote,
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1064. where I was, it's called Daddy's Song,
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1065. where I'm like this cowboy, and
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1066. we had Justin Bieber, was
in it, did you see this?
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1067. It's great.
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1068. It goes awful, like everything that could,
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1069. it went to dress, but you should watch it.
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1070. - Was it a viral?
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1071. - I think it's online,
yeah, but I'm playing a,
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1072. during the sketch the wall
almost fell on Justin Bieber.
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1073. - Good for that wall.
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1074. - Like one of the stage
things almost fell on,
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1075. and the guy, you know the big boom poles,
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1076. like those giant ones, he put
it down and caught the wall,
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1077. and righted it back up
with the boom thing.
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1078. And Justin Bieber was freaked out
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1079. and didn't want to be out there.
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1080. Just everything that could go wrong,
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1081. and they gave me the wrong props,
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1082. they gave me the wrong hat.
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1083. It was very dumb idea,
the whole idea was like,
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1084. this song is about my daddy,
the day my daddy died,
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1085. and all this stuff, and I'm like,
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1086. "Can I have my other guitar please?"
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1087. And they just give me this
crazy, like, triple neck guitar.
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1088. - Wait I have seen this, yeah yeah.
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1089. - And as their putting all
these accoutrement on me,
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1090. I'm talking like, "He
was a good old farmhand."
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1091. Like, what the fuck is this song?
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1092. Weird kazoo things and
all this shit on me,
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1093. and they handed me all the wrong props,
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1094. and it was one of those great things
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1095. where it went so horribly bad,
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1096. and I went up to Higgins
office on nine, the writers,
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1097. and I walked in, and everybody just
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1098. was on the floor laughing,
I walk in, they're like,
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1099. "Aaaaah!"
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1100. - Wasn't it great on the 40th when,
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1101. I think it was Mike
Myers thanked the crew,
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1102. and everybody went crazy,
and then you think about,
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1103. the crew is, some of
those guys are so old,
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1104. and they've been there since Belushi.
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1105. Phil Hymes, what's he 90?
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1106. - Phil Hymes is 90, yeah.
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1107. I was doing those Vincent
Price things and he was like,
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1108. "I was here when Vincent
Price was here, 1949."
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1109. And you're like geeze.
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1110. And I'm like, you are fuckin' old.
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1111. They used to do a thing when
Phil Hymes would walk by
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1112. and Amy Pohler would be like,
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1113. "Look it's the ghost of Phil Hymes."
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1114. 'cause he walks so slow.
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1115. "There it is, there it is!"
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1116. And he'd go, like, "Fuck you!"
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1117. And Pardo too.
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1118. - Pardo, I had to do the, 'cause
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1119. the guy that does Update, at that time,
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1120. had to do the warm up, and
I sucked at the warm up.
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1121. And so Pardo would come out first and go,
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1122. "Anyone from California?"
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1123. He'd put his arms up
and y'know, like Nixon.
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1124. So then he left and I was trying
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1125. to think of something funny to say,
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1126. so I go, this is my first show, I go,
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1127. "Don Pardo ladies and
gentlemen, man doesn't realize
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1128. "he could be replaced by a tape recorder."
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1129. And then I look at Don Pardo and
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1130. he has the saddest look on his face.
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1131. I'm like oh my God why'd I say that?
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1132. So then I become his best friend.
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1133. I was always with Don
Pardo 'cause I felt so bad,
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1134. but he did the funniest
thing, I don't know
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1135. if he did this on purpose, but Don Pardo
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1136. lost his wife during
the, he didn't lose her,
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1137. - She passed away.
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1138. - Yeah he buried her.
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1139. And so it's the summer time, I'm like
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1140. oh God now I have to go
and say I'm sorry and stuff
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1141. to Don Pardo, so he was at that area
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1142. outside of the control booth, y'know
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1143. where you get the coffee
and stuff like that,
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1144. and I saw him, it was the first show back,
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1145. and I go, "Don, I'm so
sorry about your wife."
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1146. And his voice is always loud, and I said,
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1147. "I'm so sorry about
your wife," and he goes,
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1148. "At the end we weren't getting along."
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1149. So now I thought, that would be
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1150. the coolest thing to say to somebody,
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1151. 'cause you take away
all their bad feeling.
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1152. He'd tell me he'd stamp
checks every day, he said,
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1153. "I wake up, and I have all these checks,
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1154. "and I just stamp my name."
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1155. Y'know because his voice is on everything.
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1156. - I had to try to do Pardo once
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1157. when he was too sick to
do it, they brought me in
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1158. to do the opening, and I had to do it,
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1159. and it sounded like young
Pardo, and it was so hard to do.
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1160. And one time I remember,
I recorded this V.O.
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1161. That opened the show, the
very first thing in the show
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1162. was like a long crawl of
like, "In ninteen whatever,"
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1163. and then Jenna, our
stage manager runs over
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1164. and is like, "The tape's not working,
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1165. "You gotta go do it live,
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1166. "and we're live in like one minute."
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1167. So she shoves me into that booth,
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1168. - Scary in there.
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1169. - Scary booth, and you
put those headphones on
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1170. and you hear everything
that's going on, like,
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1171. "Camera three, go, already, right"
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1172. it's just madness going on,
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1173. "Alright everybody here we go,
okay one minute, one minute."
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1174. And you're like, how do they hire people
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1175. that have no poker face, they're like,
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1176. "One minute! One minute!"
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1177. And you're just like, geeze,
this is your job for years.
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1178. You'd think you'd be like,
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1179. "Hey guys, one minute, we're fine"
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1180. but it was like "Aaahhhh!"
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1181. And I'm like, this is awful.
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1182. "Live, we're going live!"
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1183. And I was sitting there, like freaked out,
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1184. and the writer, Seth Meyers ran,
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1185. he came over with the script,
hands it to me, slams it.
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1186. And I'm like shaking,
and there's no video.
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1187. - It's scary in that booth.
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1188. - It's awful, and Jenna's
like, "There's no video,
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1189. "Just, I point to you,
just start talking."
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1190. So she points to me and
I read the thing again,
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1191. I trip over a couple
words, it's a long thing,
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1192. it's like three pages
and I trip over some,
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1193. I'm doing it, and I
finish, and I sit down,
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1194. and Pardo was in the booth
with me the whole time,
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1195. and I sat on his lap, and he goes,
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1196. "Hey get off of me!"
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1197. Don I'm sorry, and then he went,
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1198. "It's Saturday Night Live!"
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1199. I was like, Don you were
there the whole time?
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1200. Like the whole time I was
just shitting my pants,
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1201. like ah fuck!
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1202. Don was just sitting there like
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1203. an old elevator attendant, y'know.
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1204. Waiting to do his thing and then
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1205. get back on a plane to Florida.
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1206. But he was so nice.
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1207. - No he was the calmest guy, for sure.
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1208. - You told him, "You see
that area over there?"
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1209. He's like, "I, right there, they
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1210. "had little stations where you would,
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1211. "and I announced Kennedy's
assassination, right there."
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1212. - He did do it?
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1213. - Yeah he did.
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1214. - Holy shit.
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1215. - He had been in it forever.
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1216. "John Kennedy, no longer alive!
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1217. "In Dallas, Texas, John
F. Kennedy is dead!
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1218. "Oh I should have
proofread this before I..."
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1219. "Shit.
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1220. "No more president."
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1221. - I always wanted to do a
sketch, but they never did it,
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1222. but about when the Hindenburg came down,
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1223. and then the guy's like, "Oh
the humanity, the humanity,"
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1224. and just his friends going where the fuck,
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1226. Did you just have that in your
back pocket all these years?
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1227. - How long have you had humanity
in your back pocket, man?
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1230. - Yeah I had one sketch,
it was supposed to be
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1231. the oldest game show ever,
it's called Tic-Tac-Toe,
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but it was the older show,
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had the Tic-Tac-Toe board
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1236. of X's and O's that I would hammer in,
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1237. and the host was supposed
to go, "Hurry up"
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1238. and I'd go, "Whaddya think, this is an O?
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1239. "This an an X."
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1240. But anyways, the next week
would have been Phil Hartman,
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1242. I got the guy from Independence Day.
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1245. - Yeah Pullman, and he decides
he's gonna make it funny,
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1246. So he goes, "Bill, what's the answer?"
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1247. and all this crazy stuff,
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1248. and I was like oh I made a mistake.
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1249. - That's always really rough.
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have, do you remember
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1253. - That sounds hilarious.
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1254. - No, it was one of the funniest
sketches I've ever seen,
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1255. it didn't go to dress,
it didn't go to air,
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1256. and it was Amy Poehler,
I did something at dress
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1257. and it bombed, and I felt awful about it,
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1258. and Amy Poehler and Seth Meyers are like,
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1260. that's how you deal with
everything going wrong.
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and everybody's talking
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1264. and you see, they go,
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1265. "Hey you know who opened an account here?"
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1266. They go who and they go, "Gabe Kaplan."
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if anybody remembers.
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1268. And then you see Ferrell
come in as Gabe Kaplan,
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1270. with a cup of coffee and they go,
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1271. "Yeah Gabe Kaplan, I love Gabe Kaplan,
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1272. "Welcome Back Kotter, so cool,
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1273. "so he's gonna be at our bank now."
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1274. And you see Will hear
them, and he walks over
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1275. and he goes, "Did you
guys say Gabe Kaplan?"
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1276. And they go, "Oh hey Jeff."
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1277. So he's not Gabe Kaplan, and they say,
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1278. and he goes, "Did you say Gabe Kaplan?"
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1279. And he goes yeah, and he goes,
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1280. "Well why didn't someone get me?"
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1281. And they go, "Oh do you like Gabe Kaplan?"
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1282. He goes, "Do I like Gabe Kaplan?"
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1284. - It got nothin'.
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1285. - Nothin', just silence,
and you just see Ferrell
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1286. just settle in, he just digs in,
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1287. "I can't believe this!
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1288. "Oh my gosh!"
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1289. 'Cause he knows they have, like,
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1290. - He's trying to get a laugh.
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1291. - Anything, God it made me laugh
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1292. and I was like that's a good lesson
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1293. of what to do when things go wrong.
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1295. - No, when he hosted.
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1297. - Yeah he's about the best
I've ever seen on that show.
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- Yeah he was unbelievable.
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have met Phil Hartman,
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1302. - Oh, Phil Hartman was the nicest guy.
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when I watched the show.
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y'know it was so funny,
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in a Jerry Reed outfit
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1310. for two weeks, and you'd
never know what to do.
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1311. The thing is, everybody,
if you're a stand-up
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don't know how to do it.
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1314. and then I would be hiding, 'cause
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1316. And he'd come up as Jerry Reed and go,
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1317. "Hey how ya' doin', you got a horse?"
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1318. And I go, I don't know how to do this.
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1319. - Get away from me.
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1320. - I'll watch it, I love
watching it, but it's like,
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1321. I don't know if you're like
this, but if I'm at a show
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1322. and the lights come up, and the guy goes,
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1323. "I'm gonna talk to
people in the audience,"
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1324. I freak out.
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1325. - Oh I hate that, yeah.
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1326. I have awful, I had awful stage fright
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1327. when I was at SNL, I had awful,
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1328. - Oh I did too, I had a panic attack once.
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1329. - Me too, did you have one on air?
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1330. - Yeah.
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1331. - I did too.
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1332. What happened with you?
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1333. - I was gonna go on, y'know I'd had
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1335. before that, but this
was right before Update,
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1336. I said, "I can't go on."
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1337. And then Downey said,
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1338. "You'll lose your job, you gotta go on."
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1339. And so I went on, and I
mean, you can see the tape.
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1340. So I'm just waxy, and I'm
talking as fast as I can,
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1341. and then afterwards Downey
said, "What the fuck was that?"
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1342. And I said, "I was just experimenting."
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1343. But then I went and I got
some pills after that.
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1344. - I had this, Jeff
Bridges show I was like,
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1345. Julian Assange, and it was
that thing where you sit there,
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1346. and they're doing the monologue,
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1347. and then you're the next thing,
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1348. and you're sitting there waiting,
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1349. and then suddenly I was like,
oh my God I'm so nervous,
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1350. and then that thing fades around,
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1351. and then the camera comes over to you,
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1352. and they're pointing to you, like,
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1353. "Okay ready?"
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1354. Again freaked out, and then it's like 5-4,
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1355. and then suddenly I went,
someone's stepping on my chest,
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1356. and I had a glass of
wine, and I just put it
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1357. in front of my mouth like this,
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1358. and I just talked and my hand was shaking,
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1359. and it was a similar
thing, Seth Meyers wrote it
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1360. and was like, "Hey are we okay?"
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1361. Like afterwards, like, everything okay?
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1362. I was like, I couldn't breathe.
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1363. - Were you alone in the sketch?
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1364. - Yeah it was just me,
solo, right down the barrel
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1365. I was like, I was freaking out.
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1366. - I remember with the, y'know
they'd have the cue cards,
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1367. much bigger than these, but y'know
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1368. they're standing like a foot
from you with the cue cards,
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1369. so every time I would
pause, for like a second,
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1370. they'd go, as if I'd wiped
out and had a stroke.
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1371. It's just a kind of pause I'm taking.
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1372. But it's what you were talking about,
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1373. that mentality of, like
it's air traffic controllers
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1374. trying to get everything, y'know
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1375. the interesting thing about that show is
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1376. if you go to a show in Los Angeles,
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1377. like my mother came, she
loved The Golden Girls,
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1378. so I got her to see The Golden Girls,
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1379. and she went, and then she didn't like it.
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1380. 'Cause she sees how fake it is,
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1381. and they do 10 takes and all that,
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1382. where as Saturday Night
Live's the opposite.
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1383. When I was on, nobody liked it,
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1384. but I'd invite a guy to see it,
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1385. and he'd go, "It's the
greatest thing I've ever seen."
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1386. - Yeah it's like, every
person that would go see it,
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1387. even like my really cool,
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1388. alternative comedy friends from LA,
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1389. they were like, "That show
hasn't been good in 20 years,"
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1390. They always, just, the
experience of going,
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1391. watching all the moving parts
and going, "Oh my gosh."
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1392. - It would be great if they
could somehow translate that.
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1393. - Yeah, no one cares that it's live,
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1394. like you would be like,
"Well that was live."
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1395. And they're like, "I..."
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1396. - Well y'know if they
do like a two minute,
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1397. like, Oprah thing before
they do the Oprah sketch,
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1398. y'know it doesn't look as live,
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1399. it would be cool if you could see them.
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1401. he only had a minute,
y'know, and the wardrobe guy
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and he had his hands
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1403. stuck like this, in the
shirt, he couldn't get it out,
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1404. and they were going, like you were saying,
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1405. "Ten seconds!"
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1406. And so the guy's pushing
and pulling and pulling,
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1407. and then Sandler, he
said his hand came out,
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1408. and it punched him, the guy in the face.
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1409. He punched the wardrobe guy in the face.
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1410. So he said, "I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry."
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1411. The wardrobe guy goes, "Just go, go!"
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1412. - "Just run, leave me!"
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1413. I had someone put glue in my ear once,
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1414. y'know they put glue for the,
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1415. I was Alan Alda, I
remember it was that thing,
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1416. and the glue went right into
my ear, the whole thing,
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1417. and I was like, y'know,
like that awful feeling
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1418. when you just, and you
just can't and you go,
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1419. "Oh, what was that?"
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1420. And they're like, "It's glue."
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1421. I was like, that's bad,
and then the woman's like.
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1422. - You look somewhat like Alan Alda,
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1423. do you do a great Alan
Alda impression or not?
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1424. - It's okay.
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1425. - You don't wanna do it.
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1426. - Yeah.
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1427. - You don't wanna do it.
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1428. - You can watch it on the...
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1429. - We'll look it up.
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1430. - I did Alan Alda and I was having to,
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1431. you really project and stuff,
and then that awful thing,
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1432. and the minute it's done just going over.
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1433. - Was it the Alan Alda from M*A*S*H?
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1434. - Yeah it was him, well the
one I did before was him
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1435. auditioning for Biff, the bad
guy in Back to the Future.
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1436. - But as the M*A*S*H guy.
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1437. - Yeah, so it was that era.
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1438. - It's interesting with
Alan Alda's career,
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1439. because he was the
funniest guy, allegedly,
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1440. when he was on M*A*S*H, and then
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1441. Woody Allen discovered
he could be a bad guy
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1442. and put him in Crimes and Misdemeanors.
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1443. - He was great in that movie.
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1444. - He was great, and then
ever since, he was a villain.
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1445. - Yeah, "If it bends, it's funny,
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1446. "If it breaks it's not funny."
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1447. It's so good.
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1448. - That's such a heartbreaking movie,
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1449. when he gets Mia Farrow,
it's like real life.
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1450. - If anybody has not seen Crimes
and Misdemeanors in a while
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1451. it is like one of the best movies.
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1452. - Isn't it amazing?
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1453. Every part of it.
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1454. - Yeah it's such a great movie.
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1455. - Every part of it, Sam Waterson,
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1457. that he's worried about dying?
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1458. - Yeah, oh no I think that's
Hannah and Her Sisters,
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1459. where he buys all the,
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1460. - When he's with his
niece and goes to the,
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1461. what's Woody Allen's story?
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1462. - He's a filmmaker.
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1463. - Oh that's right, I'm
sorry, he was the filmmaker.
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1464. And then at the end of the
movie he meets Martin Landau.
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1465. - Me and Fred Armisen used to
do Crimes and Misdemeanors,
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1466. as a joke we would do,
'cause every movie is,
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1467. 'cause Martin Landau's having
an affair in that movie
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1468. with Anjelica Huston,
and there'd always be
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1469. this big wide shot and
so we would just pretend
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1470. like we're at a party, and it's like,
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1471. "Oh oh have some, you want some
food, have a, you're fine."
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1472. And then someone would go, "Dear,
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1473. "Someone's on the phone for you."
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1474. "Oh, well alright, you just."
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1475. And this is like, there's
three scenes like this,
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1476. and Martin Landau goes, "Oh
there's a telephone call for me,
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1477. "Alright well, give her a drink, will ya?"
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1478. And then it would cut
to him and he'd be like,
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1479. "Why are you calling me?"
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1480. So Fred and I would draw out that thing.
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1481. - "They're shooting me
out in the rain tonight."
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1482. - Yeah out in the rain, and he,
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1483. "Why are you calling me, are you nuts?"
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1484. So we'd see who could get it long enough,
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1485. the most business you could put in to it,
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1486. which Fred and I found funny, it was like,
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1487. "Get the hors d'oeuvres."
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1488. So dumb.
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1489. - Did you have to learn to do that?
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1490. 'Cause I had a TV show once,
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1491. and everybody as doing business except me,
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1492. I was just like stock still,
and I thought I was acting,
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1493. but it turned out only the
other person I was talking to
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1494. was acting, so I felt that would make me
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1495. look like I was acting,
but it worked the opposite.
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1496. But I could never, so fuckin',
trying to memorize my lines
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1497. without a big cue card in front of me,
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1498. which was the coolest.
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1499. And then one time I picked up a pencil.
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1500. - And they were like, "Woah,
watch out Marlon Brando."
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1501. - I do the same thing as Brando,
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1502. me and Brando do the same thing, ear wig.
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1503. - Oh really?
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1504. - You ever do it?
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1506. - Fantastic.
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1508. and he said he had one too, and he said
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1509. it was great, but he would have this pause
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1511. kind of like digest it for a
second, and then say the line.
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1512. - All the elderly guys do it.
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real actors it's weird,
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1518. - Jack and Jill?
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1521. who should host SNL, now
that I think about it.
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1522. Don't know why he hasn't.
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1523. So everybody else was just
going off their lines, right?
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1524. And he was making up stuff.
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1525. He'd go, "I wanna see you
tonight, why do I wanna see ya,
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1526. "There's gotta be a reason to see ya',
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1527. "but I do wanna see ya',
I wanna tell you that.
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1528. "I wanna see you, absolutely."
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1529. And then he said he phoned Smeigel
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night, who wrote the movie,
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1531. and told him he figured out the movie,
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1532. that he was some fuckin'
character from Don Quixote.
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1533. So Smigel said, "Oh phone
Sandler and tell him that."
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1534. It was amazing to see a real actor,
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1535. 'cause he was like why read the lines?
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1536. Why not fuck around and
try to find something.
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1537. - Yeah and at those table
reads you just wanna go home.
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1539. I did a movie once with Julianne Moore,
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1540. and watching how she could
turn it on and turn it off,
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1541. like you'd be sitting
there chatting with her,
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1542. and she's like the nicest, most loveliest,
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1543. down to Earth person on Earth,
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1544. and then the minute they would say action
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1545. you would see her just
switch it on, do the thing,
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1546. and every take would be
just a little different,
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1547. oh she did that different,
I mean it was unreal.
Copy !req
1548. And you're like, "I don't
know what I'm doing."
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on Saturday Night Live,
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1552. but that guy's my hero, y'know,
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1553. so I go down to the makeup
room and I meet Robert Duvall
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1554. and I have all these questions for him,
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1555. 'cause I know so much of his work,
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1556. and I didn't even get any questions,
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1557. he started talking to me, he's like,
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1558. "Where you from, son?"
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1559. And I'm like, "Oh, Canada."
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1560. He goes, "Oh there's some
good cattlemen there,
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1561. "I know some good cattlemen.
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1562. "What'd you do down there?"
Copy !req
1563. I go, "I was just going,
travel the country, kinda."
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1564. Goes, "Must have been interesting."
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1565. So anyways, it might have
just been a deflection,
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1567. but it felt like he was sucking any,
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1568. he was just trying to notice
any human behavior from me,
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1569. 'cause he did it afterwards
to the makeup girl.
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1570. It was like he was studying.
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1571. - Yeah, trying to find something.
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y'know because a writer
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1573. or an artist, if they're at the top level,
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survey the human condition
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1575. and everything in it.
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1577. in his next movie and he has your cadence.
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1578. "So, I'm a cattleman."
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1579. Oh Norm he took your shit!
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1580. Tender Mercies, like.
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1581. - If you wanna see a cool
thing concerning Robert Duvall,
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1582. he did a move written by
Horton Foote called Tomorrow,
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1583. and it's very hard to find,
but you can find it on YouTube.
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1584. And you know what it is?
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1586. - Really?
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1587. How long before Sling Blade came out.
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1588. - Oh, 30 years.
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1589. - Woah, oh wow.
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1590. - Pretty interesting.
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1591. - That's crazy.
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1592. - And he was in Sling Blade.
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1593. And I asked him about it, and he said,
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1594. "Ah that Horton Foote said he took it,
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1595. "But no no, he's just a relative."
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a great impression of
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listening to him do it,
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1608. but I couldn't get it, but boy
what a great voice that was.
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by Roger Ebert at his house,
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he had the alimony suit with
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1614. came out, they were around the pool,
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1615. and a dog came out, Lee Marvin's dog,
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1616. with panties in his mouth,
and Michelle Triola said,
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1617. "Those aren't my panties."
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1618. And Lee Marvin goes,
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1619. "Of course they are,
they're your panties."
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1620. She goes, "No they're not my panties."
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1621. And then Lee Marvin goes, "Bad dog."
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1622. Well ask your question and then
we're gonna end the program.
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1623. - Oh we're gonna end the
program, we're not doin' jokes.
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1624. - We're not gonna do jokes.
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1625. - Yeah alright that's fine.
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1626. - Because it's too interesting.
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1627. - Well you don't wanna end on a...
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1628. - Bunch of bad jokes.
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1629. We write jokes on these blue cards.
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1630. - Oh let's not do it.
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1631. - I think it's been really
a thorough interview,
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1632. I just wanted, I mean
I always wanted to know
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1633. where he got his ideas
from, but I think we've.
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1634. - I've never been asked that before.
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1635. - Where do you get your ideas from?
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1636. - I don't know where I
get my, I don't know.
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1637. Do you have a specific
idea you wanna know where?
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1638. - No just all of 'em.
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1639. - All of 'em? I don't know.
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1640. - What's next for Bill
Hader, what's next for you?
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1641. I'm in a, doing an HBO show called Barry,
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1642. that's gonna come out
sometime next year I think,
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1643. and then Documentary Now
season two is about to start.
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1644. - That's great, but what's Barry?
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1645. - It's a show, I'm like a, I created it
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1646. wit this guy Alec Berg, who did like
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1647. Curb Your Enthusiasm and stuff,
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1648. and it's about, I play an ex-Marine,
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1649. who now works as a hitman, and
he comes to LA to kill a guy,
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1650. and he tails the guy to his acting class,
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1651. run by Henry Winkler.
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1652. - Henry Winkler's in it?
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1653. - Yeah and he's like, oh I
think I wanna take this class,
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1654. and Stephen Root's my, kind of like,
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1655. hitman agent guy and he's like,
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1656. "What the fuck are you doing?
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1657. "What are you doing, you
can't take an acting class."
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1658. And so it's basically this guy
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1659. deciding he wants to be an actor.
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1660. But he's like this shadowy,
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1661. it doesn't work for his lifestyle.
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1662. - He's a hitman.
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1663. - Yeah he's a hitman, he kills people.
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1664. - He kills people, in the show.
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1665. - Yeah, a lot of murders
and stuff, so we'll see.
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1666. - That sounds very funny.
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1667. Y'know there was one show
with a hitman, oh God
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1668. did you ever see Dexter?
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1669. You look somewhat like Dexter.
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1670. - Oh I've gotten that a lot.
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1671. I've had people come up to
me on subways and be like,
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1672. "You're crazy."
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1673. I'm always trying to figure out, like,
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1674. do they know who I am?
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1675. Okay is it Dwight from The Office?
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1676. Crazy like Dwight from The Office
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1677. or crazy like the guy on
SNL or crazy like Dexter?
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1678. And they're like, "Dexter."
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1679. - Dexter's been on 35 years and
no one knows the guy's name.
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1680. - Michael C. Hall.
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1681. - Oh you know his name?
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1682. - The studio audience
goes, "Michael C. Hall,"
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1683. and you're like, "We're
never doing this again.
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1684. "You guys are traitors."
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1685. - I watched it for a while but,
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1686. it was that he killed the
guy every Goddamn episode,
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1687. and in exactly the same manner.
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1688. - I never saw it, I had a
buddy who was on it once
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1689. who played a serial killer on it and,
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1690. yeah I think he had a tough time.
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1691. - Did you ever hear
Colin Quinn talks about,
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1692. he's in New York walking around,
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1693. and they have those Law and Order: SVUs,
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1694. they have like four of 'em or something,
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1695. and he said he keeps walking into the set
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1696. and he still can't get on the show.
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1697. They're like, "Hey Colin,"
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1698. I mean everyone else has been on the show.
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1699. - Colin could load boxes
and answer questions.
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1700. "I knew that guy."
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1701. John Mulaney does a
really funny bit like that
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1702. where the people, have you seen that?
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1703. Where he does all the
people from Law and Order,
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1704. the guy and the boxes, and
he goes, my favorite is
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1705. the African American female
judge who goes, "I'll allow it."
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1706. John Mulaney does it, look it up,
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1707. it's on of my favorite
bits, it makes me laugh.
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1708. I sometimes put it on,
I'll have it on my phone
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1709. just to watch it 'cause I need to laugh.
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1710. - Is this his stand-up?
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1711. - Yeah, yeah.
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1712. - He does one about Ice-T,
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1713. - Oh they were obsessed with Ice-T,
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1714. they had Fred played Ice-T a lot in SVU,
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1715. just like, "Yeah."
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1716. - Do you miss all these guys
that you collaborated with?
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1717. - Well we're all on
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1718. - How do you, but what about Barry?
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1719. - Barry is a whole different crew.
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1720. - Is it hard?
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1721. - Yeah, it's different,
but it's also good.
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1722. - It's not you, is it?
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1723. - Writing it, yeah, yeah.
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1724. Writing it, and me and Alec Berg
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1725. and we're just hiring people now.
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1726. It's good, but it is a
different tone and everything
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1727. from SNL, which I wanted
to try, no it's cool.
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1728. - That's awesome.
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1729. - Well we'll look for that.
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1730. HBO is the place to be.
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1731. - I know, I feel very lucky, yeah.
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1732. I feel very, very lucky to be on HBO.
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1733. - Hard to get on there.
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1734. Who likes you there?
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1735. - I don't know, somebody.
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1736. - I was hoping he could
put in a good word.
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1737. - "So I did the Norm Macdonald show today.
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1738. "Turns out Norm's a fan."
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1739. - But it's funny, if someone
on a network doesn't like you,
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1740. you're done at that network,
until that person leaves
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1741. because of a sexual,
that's how they all leave,
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1742. every executive on every network,
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1743. "Oh he punched his wife
in front of the valet.
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1744. "He punched his wife in the face."
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1745. That's a real guy, but yeah.
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1746. "He was at the Aspen Comedy
Festival, raped three women."
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1747. - Jesus Christ.
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1748. - And then you go, "Thank God 'cause
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1749. "That was the guy that
fuckin' turned me down."
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1750. It's funny when guys lose power,
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1751. when I first came to Los Angeles
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1752. my dream was to get on the Carson show,
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1753. because he was only on the
air for six more months,
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1754. he'd already announced his retirement,
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1755. and I was like, I wanna be
the last comic on the show,
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1756. he'd anoint and all this,
and this Jim McCawley idiot
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1757. who was the booker, and
everybody hated him,
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1758. but it was so funny when he lost,
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1759. when The Tonight Show ended, 'cause then
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1760. the comics just tore him
apart, know what I mean?
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1761. He couldn't enter a
comedy club without being,
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1762. he was just the meanest guy.
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1763. He came up to me once,
I did my set he goes,
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1764. "I didn't like it but I was drunk."
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1765. And one time I'm doing
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1766. in the third row and he starts
necking with a blonde girl.
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1767. Did you know Jim McCawley?
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1768. - There's no one here by the way.
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1769. He's talking to an empty chair.
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1770. - We have Letterman people here,
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1771. Daniel Kellison used to book guests
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1772. for The David Letterman Show,
and if you look over there,
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1773. the fellow with the green shirt, was,
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1774. along with Jim Downey, David
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1775. of the whole, I would say David Letterman
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1776. was the top one, in
terms of constructing it,
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1777. but Downey and more so Steve O'Donnell.
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1778. - Oh that's awesome.
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1779. Hi, I'm Bill.
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1780. - He did a top 10 list, the top 10 numbers
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1781. between one and 10.
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1782. - At 10, five.
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1783. - Now was there a joke at the end of that?
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1784. - Well there were some surprises,
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1785. there was a fraction near the end.
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1786. A tie ending.
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1787. - That's amazing.
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1788. - He's gone now, David Letterman.
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1789. Apparently he's gonna do this show.
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1790. - Really, oh my God that would be amazing.
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1791. - And every actual talk show
host will kill themselves.
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1792. - Yeah it'll be on the news.
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1793. "The universe inverted today.
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1794. "You're probably
wondering why all the cars
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1795. "are flying in midair.
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1796. "Because David Letterman, for some reason,
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1797. "Went on Norm Macdonald's."
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1798. - I still feel, in my heart,
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1799. I'm not a person that goes by my brain,
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1800. I just go by my heart, that Bill Hader
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1801. is ultimately unknowable.
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1802. - Yes, that's true.
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1803. - What do you think?
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1804. - I don't know.
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1805. - Okay.
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1806. - See? Proves your point.
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1807. - Exactly, that's true, you don't know.
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1808. Thanks for comin' with us
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1809. - Thanks buddy, thanks for having me.
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1810. - The great Bill Hader.
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1811. - Thanks studio audience.
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