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- Yeah. Get a bit hot
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of Ray-Ray's daughter.
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- Yeah. Yeah.
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your bloody head at me.
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One, two, three.
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die in the fucking thing.
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40. - I'm all right, Dad.
- Steady?
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- Good to...
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- Love you.
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Love you.
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Kate Hall.
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a journo at the Herald.
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for stories.
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want to have a chat with her.
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59. Come on, mate,
it's an old mate's daughter.
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of favors for me over the years,
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to return the favor.
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62. Nah.
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as a friend, here.
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I wasn't gonna mention this,
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69. do you have any idea
what you put me through
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71. - What?
- The Davros bullshit.
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son-in-law's brother, right?
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that shit caused me?
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speak to me for six months.
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All right?
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79. You asked me to sit down
with the guy, and I did.
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but, shit...
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for heaps of favors, you know?
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83. - Hi.
How you going?
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- Nice to meet you.
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87. - Nice house.
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- Yeah, me too.
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than new houses.
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90. Yeah.
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do you want a drink?
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a glass of water or something?
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a cup of tea.
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What kind?
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96. Yeah, yeah.
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98. About four hours
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99. - Oh, yeah?
- Yeah, on a farm.
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Do you mind my asking where?
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a happy childhood?
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maybe, a bit on that?
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108. Criminals, pretty much.
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109. Yeah, I mean, I've, um,
interviewed a few people
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110. so far, and it's just people
telling their stories.
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111. Mm.
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112. Look, I-I understand if you're
a little bit cagey about this,
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unless you're happy with it.
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117. So I just want you, you know,
just to feel comfortable
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121. Uh, do you mind
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122. - That's all right.
- Sure?
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do you want to start with
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126. about how you got into it
and your first job, maybe?
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127. I mean, it's a job,
what do you mean?
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128. What do you mean, job?
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129. Well, your first, uh,
I don't know, hit, I mean...
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130. - Who told you I do hits?
- Well, that's what
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that you talked...
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134. I didn't realize that...
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135. - That's just what Freddy said.
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136. I mean, that's kind of why
I got you to... 'Cause I...
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137. That's the sort of stuff I
want to talk about in the book.
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138. Moist.
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139. - Yeah, that's a good one.
- Moist.
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140. - Mm, mm.
- That's a good one.
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141. Yeah.
My grandmother—
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this tea cake,
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- and that was really moist.
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on the top of it.
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146. - Mm. Okay.
- Yeah. Lovely, lovely. Mm.
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- Tea cake.
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- Appendectomy?
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149. Yeah.
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150. Appendectomy. Appendectomy.
What's that?
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151. - You don't know what appendectomy is?
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- They...
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I knew that.
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156. - Yeah, sure you did. Yeah.
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- Pant... Not when you say it,
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Like, when she says like,
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160. —Mm.
- "Oh, take off my panties."
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Moist panties.
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haven't you?
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165. - Well, thank you very much.
- Yeah.
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166. Put two of your favorite words
together in a sentence, yeah.
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167. - Well, you know...
- That's pretty good.
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168. - quite the wordsmith.
- Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you are.
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- Yeah, no, I like it.
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172. Mm.
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173. And it was good calamari, mate.
Mm.
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175. - Not the frozen shit, you know?
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when I put it in the fridge,
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that I bought it in.
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of days
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all through the house.
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when I bought it—
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in there for a couple days—
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washed it...
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189. - Yeah. Mm.
- thoroughly, put it in a fresh plastic bag,
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190. - Yeah.
- a new plastic bag,
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- And then, you know,
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you know?
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in its own filth,
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Mm.
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and I had to chuck it out,
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of the shit,
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202. - is I was watching one of those nature docos,
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they had a bit on octopuses
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gets pregnant, right?
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and months, right?
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not octopus.
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All on 9/11.
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One wasn't hit by a plane.
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hundred meters down the road,
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in under five seconds.
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from the Twin Towers,
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caused it to fall.
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a controlled demolition.
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- Yeah.
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- All right.
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Come on, let's go.
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- How'd you go?
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come on, come on.
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started to climb the beanstalk.
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and went inside."
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- Yeah, but that's not right.
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be a bit old for this story.
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- No. Keep going, I like it.
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'Fee-fi-fo-fum.'
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hide just as an enormous giant
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and sat down.
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and a golden harp.
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The hen laid an egg.
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The harp began to sing.
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and he ran for the door."
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- What do you mean?
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and the harp?
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- But that's stealing.
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'Help, master!'
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'Fee-fi-fo-fum.'
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down the beanstalk
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hot on his tail.
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the giant coming fast,
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at the beanstalk.
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and the giant was slayed."
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- Mm-hmm. Yeah, he killed him.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- I don't like that story at all.
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The poor giant.
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don't murder,
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Why?
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- He goes into the giant's castle...
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- Steals it.
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