1. His given name is Benjamin
Barnwright, but everybody calls him Benji.
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2. Came back to town,
just like I told you he would.
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3. Benji was home watching TV
the night Beverly Jean was killed?
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4. That's what he told us and I believe him.
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5. He let us search his car, no warrant.
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6. And we didn't find a thing
except for some of Beverly Jean's hair,
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7. but in the passenger seat,
like you'd expect it.
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8. Passenger seat's not the best way
to transport a corpse, I'll give you that.
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9. But you said he was home alone
watching TV?
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10. - That's not much of an alibi.
- Why?
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11. Isn't that what most people do
most nights of the week?
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12. Benjamin is definitely most people.
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13. He's worked the same job
ever since high school,
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14. bagging groceries at the A&P.
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15. Works at the A&P? Does he have access
to a delivery vehicle?
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16. Nope. Only works the floor.
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17. Is he expecting us?
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18. He's in mourning,
I thought it'd be polite to let him know.
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19. We should've brought a six pack.
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20. - Can I get you some coffee?
- Sure.
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21. - It's instant.
- None for me, thanks.
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22. I'll wait.
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23. Uh...
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24. I got some donuts, too.
Half glazed, half cake.
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25. I'd love a donut. Thanks, Benjamin.
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26. Thanks for meeting with us,
Mr. Barnwright.
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27. Benjamin.
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28. I'm Bill Tench, this is Holden Ford.
We're with the FBI.
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29. He told me you'll be helping
with the case.
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30. We're sorry about your girlfriend.
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31. I still can't believe it.
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32. How long were you with her?
- Eighteen months.
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33. So this was pretty serious.
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34. We just got engaged.
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35. Big step.
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36. - I knew she was it when I met her.
- How'd you know?
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37. Uh, we saw things the same way.
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38. And you're how old?
- Twenty-six.
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39. You play sports in high school?
I'm guessing not the football team.
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40. - Band? Debate?
- No.
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41. Then what did you do?
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42. Uh, I... nothing.
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43. Well, you're doing good now.
Got your own place and everything.
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44. Got this place for Beverly Jean.
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45. She ask you to move?
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46. I wanted us to have some privacy.
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47. Where were you before?
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48. A few blocks over on Chestnut.
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49. - With your family?
- Uh, with my mom.
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50. It must have been hard on her,
seeing you leave home.
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51. I think she was happy to see me move on.
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52. She loved Beverly Jean as much as I did.
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53. Mrs. Barnwright goes to my church, too.
First United Methodist.
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54. So you two know each other from church?
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55. Yeah. You and Rose.
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56. Mostly by sight now.
I don't go much anymore.
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57. Was your mother a disciplinarian?
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58. You mean strict?
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59. Yeah. She crack the whip?
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60. Uh...
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61. She just cried.
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62. Well, I'm sure it was difficult
raising two kids without a dad.
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63. Yeah, he split when I was ten.
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64. - What was your father like?
- I don't much remember him.
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65. You and Beverly Jean ever fight?
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66. Perfectly normal for a young couple.
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67. Sometimes.
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68. What'd you fight about?
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69. Just stupid stuff.
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70. Like what?
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71. Like, uh...
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72. what movie to go to.
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73. Any nerves around the engagement?
- No, sir.
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74. You got this place for her?
Did she like it?
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75. She, uh...
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76. She wanted to make it pretty
when she moved in.
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78. - After the wedding.
- Traditional, huh?
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79. - Yeah.
Was that for your mother?
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80. That was just to keep it proper.
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81. Was she saving herself for marriage?
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82. Well, maybe she didn't want to wait.
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83. Girls like fooling around
just as much as boys.
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84. That's okay, Benjamin.
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85. We understand, that's...
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86. That's private.
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87. We'll keep it private.
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88. Uh, well...
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89. Beverly Jean was, uh, my...
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90. first, uh...
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91. Your first sexual experience?
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92. Yeah.
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93. But she was nice.
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94. I don't know what all this has to do
with what happened to her—
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95. Listen, Benjamin.
We're from a particular unit of the FBI.
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96. We investigate murders
when there's a sexual angle.
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97. It may be unpleasant, but it's what we do.
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98. It's awful, what was done to her.
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99. Does he know?
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100. Mark, seriously?
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101. He only knows about the breasts.
It was another officer—
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102. - It's hard keeping this quiet.
- I want to talk to Mrs. Barnwright.
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103. Should we stop at a pay phone,
give her a heads up, too?
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104. - That'd be fair.
What about the tears?
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105. - I didn't buy them.
- Think he was faking?
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106. Seemed a bit much.
Given what he's been through?
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107. - It sure got us out of there.
- He's obviously a mama's boy.
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108. Or he knows how to play one.
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109. What do you mean?
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110. He was a virgin? He serves donuts?
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111. All of that could have been rehearsed,
especially since he knew we were coming.
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112. Benjamin has never seemed
like a performer to me.
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113. Two Feds in your living room
would make anybody nervous.
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114. Look at him, you think
he could have easily moved a body?
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115. Not without bursting into tears.
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116. I always worried about Benjamin.
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117. He was living with you
when he met Beverly Jean?
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118. - He was so excited to have a girlfriend.
- Did she reciprocate those feelings?
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119. He said that she was crazy about him.
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120. - Did you meet her?
- Of course.
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121. What were they like together?
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122. Well, they were... normal.
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123. She teased him a lot. He pretended
not to enjoy it, but I know he did.
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124. Benjamin told us
the two of them argued sometimes.
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125. Did you see him?
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126. This morning.
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127. Is he in trouble?
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128. We're just going over the case again,
talking to everyone who knew Beverly Jean.
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129. Well... I never heard them argue.
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130. Benjamin is soft, you know.
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131. What was he like as a kid?
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132. He was always sensitive.
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133. What do you mean?
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134. Well...
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135. he started to cry a lot, wet the bed.
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136. - He wouldn't leave the house.
That must have been difficult.
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137. I had to leave the kids
on their own a lot.
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138. Rose helped out,
but she was just so little.
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139. Those were hard years.
I did a lot of praying.
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140. But then Rose met Frank
and he moved in with us.
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141. Frank Janderman.
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142. That's right.
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143. They just had a baby, you know.
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144. Your first grandchild?
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145. Congratulations.
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146. People talked about Frank back then,
but I never listened to all that.
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147. I loved him from the first time I met him.
I still do.
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148. Did Benjamin feel the same way?
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149. Well, he started to go out, you know.
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150. He became friends with Frank.
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151. Frank protected him.
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152. He wouldn't let anyone near Rose.
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153. He even got Benji a job
so I didn't have to work two shifts.
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154. Sometimes Rose said
I loved him more than she did.
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156. Well, uh... they got married at 18,
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158. 15, 16 at the time.
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159. Frank moved in. Why?
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160. Well, I don't remember.
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161. He had some problems at home
with his father, as young boys do.
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162. But he got them their own place
when they married.
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163. And Benjamin lived at home with you
until he met Beverly Jean?
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164. It's been a strange time.
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165. We were so happy that Rose and Frank
were having a baby,
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166. and then Benjamin loses his love
in such a horrible way.
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167. Like mother, like son.
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168. You think there's a gene for crying?
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169. I keep wondering why Beverly was
with him in the first place.
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170. She might have liked that he was older,
easy to talk to. He's sensitive.
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171. "Half glazed, half cake"?
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172. Sure.
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173. I bet Beverly had poor old pipsqueak Benji
wrapped around her golden triangle.
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174. Maybe she wanted a nice guy
with a steady income who loved her.
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175. Whatever you say, Ocasek.
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176. What's that?
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177. We were just saying there's not much here.
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178. I assured Mrs. Barnwright
this was a formality.
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179. - It's not a formality.
- Well, I can tell her it is.
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181. There's still Alvin.
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182. You don't want it to be someone
in the community. Neither of you do.
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183. Who drives all this way
to come to some rust belt town?
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184. If you're hunting for girls,
you got big cities.
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185. You got freeways with hitchhikers.
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186. Why choose a place like this?
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187. How would a drifter
know where the dump is?
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188. - Hi.
- There you are.
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189. I got all kinds of fun things
for you to look over.
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190. Ooh. Paperwork?
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191. Yeah, it's hardly sexy, but I'm trying
to put together a list of questions
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192. for the killers that you interview.
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193. Things like family history, mood,
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194. thought patterns before, during,
and after the crime.
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195. This is just a first draft, but look it
over and let me know what you think.
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196. Shouldn't we tailor the interviews
based on the killer's personality?
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197. You mean just wing it?
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198. With these guys,
we need to look for different ways in.
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199. Yes, but we still need a data set
that's consistent across all our subjects.
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200. You leaving?
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201. - Back to Boston.
- You just got here.
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202. Well, until you conduct more interviews,
there's really nothing for me to do here.
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203. We had a really interesting conversation
with the fiancé of that victim in Altoona.
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204. - I got a taxi waiting.
- Cancel it. I'll drive you.
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205. - Let me take your bag.
- Thank you.
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206. He lost it. I've never seen a guy
cry like that.
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207. Bill was skeptical.
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208. - But you believed him?
- It looked real.
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209. Well, how did it feel?
I mean, were you moved?
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210. - Did you want to comfort him?
- I wanted him to stop.
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215. Benjamin was blubbering like a baby,
but it didn't seem vulnerable.
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216. It felt hostile.
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217. You know, psychopaths are extremely
skilled at imitating human emotions.
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218. It's how they manipulate other people
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over their environment.
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220. How do they understand emotions
if they don't have them?
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221. Well, they have emotions. They just
don't believe other people have them.
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222. Or more specifically, they don't believe
that other people have interior lives.
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224. Well, it seems like you just did.
Trust your instincts.
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225. The whole town sees Benjamin as this lost
little puppy that needs protecting.
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226. Maybe my instincts are wrong.
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227. Well, we're developing a methodology,
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228. Look at where the perpetrator went.
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229. Hair, breasts, vagina,
all symbols of her sexual power.
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230. Disfiguring her reproductive organs
was a way to neutralize her.
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231. What about the hair on the ironing board?
Was that some kind of display?
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232. Like a trophy.
A way to assert his dominance.
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233. Benjamin is anything but assertive.
Beverly's the first woman he slept with.
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234. - How old is he?
- Twenty-six.
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235. So that would give the relationship
an extra significance.
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236. Bill thinks the only reason
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sexual control over him.
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238. Well, what's her history?
Was she a virgin, too?
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239. He was touchy about that.
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240. So then she had some experience,
which could either excite or threaten him.
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241. In the photo,
she looks like the girl next door.
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242. You really believe that a young,
pretty girl can't be manipulative?
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was using sex to control him,
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244. and you have absolutely no evidence
for this,
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245. then it would be what many women do
to have an ounce of power in this world.
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246. Fine, but if it went too far,
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247. if something happened
and Benjamin snapped,
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248. could feelings of impotence
explain his rage?
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249. Could it explain him going back four days
later to cut her up like you said,
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250. - as an attempt to assert control?
- Possibly.
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251. But then wouldn't the rape
already have accomplished that?
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252. - Accomplish control?
- Exactly.
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there's never been an example
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then depersonalized.
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255. If the killer mutilates her after death,
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256. then he usually commits sexual acts
after death as well.
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257. To make up for his sense of inadequacy
while she was still alive.
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258. It's like there's two different
presentations in this crime scene.
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259. Anybody picking you up in Boston?
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260. I'll grab a cab. Bye.
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261. - Hey.
- Hey. What are you...
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262. - Up to?
- Studying.
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263. Pulling an all-nighter.
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264. Writing a paper on C. Wright Mills
and the power elite.
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265. Due tomorrow.
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266. It's about the people
who really run this country.
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267. Hardly what our democracy
is supposed to be about.
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268. - Are you okay?
- What?
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269. - You seem—
- Oh. My friend gave me diet pills.
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270. - Really?
- Speed actually makes this interesting.
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271. May I see those?
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272. Great for concentration,
keeps you totally focused.
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273. - Beer? Coffee? Tea?
- Is this legal?
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274. Uh-oh. Out comes the narc.
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275. We were digging into his relationship
with the fiancé and he burst into tears.
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276. Bill thought he was bullshitting,
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277. but psychopaths are extremely skilled
at imitating human emotions.
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278. I once went crying to my professor.
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280. Made up an elaborate story about my dad
in some horrendous accident.
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281. - When was this?
- My freshman year.
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282. I was partying a little too much,
almost flunked out of school.
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283. The interesting thing was,
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284. while I was lying,
I actually started believing it.
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285. Made for a good show.
He raised my grade to a C.
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286. - Your teacher was male.
- So?
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287. Women crying to men always works.
Men to men?
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288. - Not my point.
- Why were you drinking so much?
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289. I wanted to fit in.
I wanted to be wild and crazy.
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290. - Why?
- I was tired of always thinking.
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291. - Don't you get tired of thinking?
- No.
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292. And it made it easier
to sleep with people.
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293. - How many people did you sleep with?
Let's not.
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294. - A lot?
- What difference does that make?
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295. - Just curious.
- And judgmental.
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296. Five...
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297. - Ten...
- This is getting tedious.
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298. - Ten?
- Holden... I'm not doing this.
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299. Ten.
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300. Uh-huh.
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301. - Jesus.
I know. What do we do?
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302. - Hell, pick him up.
- What do I tell him?
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303. Don't tell him anything. Let him stew
for a few hours until we get there.
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304. Okay.
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305. Ocasek looked into Frank Janderman.
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306. Apparently, in high school,
he was sent to a psychiatric hospital
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307. for taking a monkey wrench to a girl.
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308. - Frank Janderman?
- Rose's husband.
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309. We should get this on tape.
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310. So I got to thinking,
why did Mrs. Barnwright
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311. say people were talking
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312. - What were they talking about, right?
- Right.
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313. So I talked to this family court judge
who's a friend of mine.
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314. Sure enough, he remembers the case.
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315. Since Frank was a juvenile
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316. the court sealed the records.
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317. Fortunately, the judge
is a very good friend of mine.
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318. Here's what we've got on Frank's hearing,
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319. and his time at Warren State.
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320. Nice work, Mark.
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321. This is where your community system
pays off.
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322. He's been here since nine.
Maybe we should—
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323. Let him wait.
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324. Why don't we have a cup of coffee?
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325. If Frank's a hothead,
it'll irritate him, throw him off.
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327. - Yep.
- You go to your five-year reunion?
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328. I don't really keep up with that stuff.
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329. It's commendable that you graduated,
seeing as how you missed your junior year.
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330. What do you want from me?
I've been here all day.
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331. - I answered all your questions last week.
- We just have a few more.
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332. You've got everyone in a tizzy.
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333. - You mean Benjamin?
- Yeah.
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334. The whole family. Me, my wife, mom.
You scared the shit out of Benji.
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335. I'm sorry if we scared everyone.
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336. And for keeping you for so long.
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337. Beverly Jean Shaw was close
with your family.
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338. We're simply looking
for a little background.
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339. She wasn't that close.
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340. She was about to marry
your brother-in-law.
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341. They hadn't set a date.
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342. - I didn't spend a lot of time with him.
- You and Benjamin aren't close?
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343. What's this "close" shit?
That's like women.
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you looked out for him.
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345. - Well, yeah, he's a shrimp.
- And he's your brother-in-law.
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346. Yep.
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347. - So you would help him if he needed it.
- Yep.
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349. Like Popeye.
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350. How'd you land yourself
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351. It's probably in your fucking file.
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352. We want to hear your side.
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353. This girl freaked out on me,
came after me with a wrench.
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it swang back, hit her in the face.
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came raining down on me.
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357. - I was seeing some other girl, too.
- You a ladies man?
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358. Maybe. Back then.
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- That was bullshit.
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360. - I had to go, it was part of the plea.
- You did a plea deal?
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361. Why not go to court,
tell them what you told us?
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362. My lawyer said I'd never win
against a sweet girl with a broken nose.
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363. There were other infractions, I was
running around like a jackass back then.
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364. - But no longer?
- I'm married now. Got a kid.
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366. I wasn't angry, I was just...
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368. Makes me sound like a pussy, but yeah.
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Beverly Jean disappeared?
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370. I don't know. It was, uh...
typical, I guess.
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371. Rose was still pregnant back then.
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372. Got her some dinner and watched TV.
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373. - So you were home all night.
- No.
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I went out and got us dinner.
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379. Rose likes the rolls at Hannah's Diner
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382. We're just looking at it from every angle.
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383. No, Beverly Jean was, uh...
was Benji's girl.
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about to be part of the family.
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- They were engaged, weren't they?
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in love with him, wanted to marry him.
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more than what it was?
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393. She let him call her his girlfriend.
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395. Yeah, that was the big plan,
get her to move in.
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- Now and again.
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and gone to heaven.
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- She's a seven.
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404. Shit, yeah.
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405. Do you think that he was satisfying her?
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406. - I don't think he was blowing her mind.
- She tell you that?
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407. Not in so many words, but when a chick's
enjoying it, she's all over you.
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408. You think Beverly Jean
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409. You think she'd, you know...
been around?
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410. I'd say she was, uh... open.
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411. Benjamin see it that way too?
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412. I don't know if he didn't get it
or he didn't want to.
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said Beverly Jean was...
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414. nice, loyal, decent.
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415. Well...
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416. no one's gonna come right out
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417. Frank's cagey. You hear him deflect
on that deal in high school?
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418. He could have made that up
about her being a slut.
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420. Listen, if Beverly had the upper hand
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421. and made Benjamin feel jealous
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422. if Benjamin felt sexually powerless,
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423. he might lash out with the kind of anger
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424. Let's see what Benjamin has to say.
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425. - Bring him in?
- Yeah.
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426. You understand you're not under arrest?
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427. You're free to leave at any point,
only have to talk to us if you want to.
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428. And you're okay with us
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429. It's just so much easier
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430. Yeah. I want to help if I can.
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431. You know a lot about this case
you're not telling us, don't you?
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432. Uh, no,
nothing more than what I already said.
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433. We talked to Frank.
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434. He paints a different picture
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435. He said you made up that part
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436. Uh...
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437. Well, I didn't have a ring yet,
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438. but, um, but I asked her and she said yes.
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439. It sounded like she wanted
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440. Benjamin?
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441. Did Frank say that?
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442. He said a lot of things.
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443. - 'Cause he was jealous.
Jealous?
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444. Why would he be jealous?
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445. He's married. To your sister.
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446. Well...
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447. He was always asking when...
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448. always talking to her
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449. - What do you mean?
- Like "Hey, hon,"
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450. "Hey, babe,"
"Hey, sweetheart, go get me a beer."
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451. And...
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452. he was always getting her
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453. - Did she want to sit on his lap?
- She had to or it would've been rude.
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454. - Did he try to have sex with her?
- No, it didn't go that far.
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455. He told us he was interested.
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456. Beverly Jean was a beautiful woman.
She wouldn't do that.
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457. - Do what, have sex? She had sex with you.
- She loved me.
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458. But she wasn't exactly
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459. Do you think you satisfied her, Benjamin?
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460. Did you see her that night
when she got off work?
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461. No. I was home, I was watching television.
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462. Didn't you want her to come over,
hang out with you?
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463. Of course I wanted her to come over,
because I loved her.
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464. Now she's dead.
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465. Oh, my God!
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466. Oh, my God!
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467. So did Beverly Jean sleep around?
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468. - Alvin tried to pick her up at a bar.
- She turned him down.
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469. What was she doing at a bar?
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470. - Having a drink?
- Was she alone, with a girlfriend?
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471. What would that tell us?
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472. A single woman in a bar...
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473. A single woman might go alone
just to have a drink.
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474. What about her?
Is she trying to pick someone up?
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475. - Well, probably.
- Why, because she's by herself?
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476. Because she's at a bar?
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- That's an assumption.
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478. Say she is looking for someone,
does that make her easy?
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479. Is she looking for a husband
or a one-night stand?
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480. Does the difference
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481. - Sure.
- Why?
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482. Well, changes whether
I'd be interested in her, theoretically.
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483. What if you're looking
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484. No, I don't— It's not my thing.
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485. - Come on, Mark.
Leave him alone.
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486. Beverly's sexual history is only important
because if she was seeing other men,
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487. then obviously they're suspects.
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488. So who else can we talk to?
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489. There's a couple of friends
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490. Anyone else she might have confided in?
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491. She did just get her hair done. Right?
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493. if it is Benjamin or some other boyfriend
who freaked out on her,
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495. We still can't rule out a sequence killer,
but if the perpetrator was a townie,
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496. then the crime is random, and there's
no expectation that he'll be repeating it.
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497. Here's my question, shouldn't our funding
cover separate rooms?
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498. You don't like my company?
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499. We'll get connecting doors.
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500. The mutilation of her body alone
justifies our involvement.
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501. Would you mind sitting
on your own bed, please?
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502. Well, that was a dead end.
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503. Who's next?
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504. One of the families she baby-sat for,
the Snyders.
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505. You mind if we take a quick detour?
Something's been bugging me.
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506. Okay.
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507. Hi, Rose.
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509. Pretty hard having a newborn.
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510. All anybody ever tells you
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511. But my wife and I, with both our kids,
we walked around like zombies
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513. You know, Trinity Lutheran,
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514. has a program for single moms.
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515. Not that you're single,
but it's your first child
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516. and they'll have all kinds of information
on feeding him, getting him to sleep.
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517. - Thanks.
- What about Frank?
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518. - He help you out?
When he can.
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519. He's got work.
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520. Your mom certainly seems excited
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521. She is happy.
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522. And Benjamin, is he helping?
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523. No.
- You close with Benjamin?
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524. He's my older brother.
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525. By how much?
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526. Fourteen months.
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527. You have good memories growing up?
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528. Mom went to work. Got two jobs.
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529. Two kids, two jobs. How'd she swing that?
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530. Me and Benji went to school
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531. We would walk home in the afternoon.
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532. - And you were how old?
- Ten. Maybe eleven.
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533. That's pretty young.
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534. Mom would come home tired,
wasn't really up for dealing with kids.
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535. - I'd make sure the house was clean.
- It's no small feat.
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536. - How old were you when you met Frank?
- Sixteen.
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538. It was before I met him.
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539. You ever talk with him about it?
He told me it was some accident.
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540. Rose...
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542. What was she like?
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543. She was really sweet.
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544. You think she
was good for Benjamin?
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545. She made him want to leave home.
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546. I thought that was good.
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547. We gave him money for a security deposit.
Signed his lease.
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548. Did she intend to marry him?
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549. He was working on her.
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551. Benjamin thought she might be.
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552. Benjamin told you this?
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554. Getting done up for other guys.
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555. Done up how?
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556. Dressing provocatively?
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557. Painting her nails? Wearing perfume?
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558. Getting her hair done.
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559. Frank told us he was with you
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560. - Is that true?
- Yes.
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561. Well, uh...
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562. he went out to get us food.
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563. - How long was he gone?
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564. Rose, if you are hiding something
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565. and they find out about it,
it will not be good for you...
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567. What are we missing?
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568. - Did you see those bruises on her arm?
Yeah.
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570. Her mother told us that he wouldn't let
anyone else get close to her.
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571. Should we search Frank's car?
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572. - I would need a warrant.
Let's get one.
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573. Mark. There's a young woman downstairs
asking for you.
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574. Hi, Rose.
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575. Do you promise my baby will
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576. Of course.
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577. It's okay.
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578. - It's okay. Hey.
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580. Yes.
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582. Yes.
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584. Benji called us that night
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585. Okay.
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Asked me to come over there too.
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- Ten or eleven?
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592. I was more than eight months pregnant.
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598. Drove over, let myself in.
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604. My mind started racing, I was worried
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but he's done something."
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He said, "Okay.
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he was crying.
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- Face up.
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633. Then Frank brought in a tarp,
spread it on the floor.
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they had already rolled her up.
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636. So they took her out to Frank's truck
and drove off.
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- There was a knife in the tub.
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645. I rinsed it off.
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washed it with dish soap.
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