1. - I'm gonna grab coffee. You want some?
- I had some on the plane.
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3. Students are welcome to everything.
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4. - Cold season.
- Sorry, what?
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5. - I was just saying it's cold season.
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6. Bill.
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7. - How are you? Welcome.
Thank you.
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8. How's your family?
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9. Since when do you care
about any of that?
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10. You want to dive in?
Yeah.
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11. Here he is.
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12. Dr. Wendy Carr, my partner Holden Ford.
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13. Dr. Carr.
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14. Agent Ford. I've read a lot about you.
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15. - About me?
- Your notes.
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16. Uh, thank you.
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17. Okay, um, let's go to my office.
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18. I'm glad this worked out.
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19. When you sent me your notes
from the Kemper meetings,
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20. I was in a real rut with my new book.
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21. - What's your book about?
- It's about white-collar criminals,
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22. men not so different
to your Edmund Kemper.
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23. How do you think the men you study
are similar to Edmund Kemper?
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24. Well, first of all,
they're all psychopaths.
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26. IBM, MGM, Ford, Exxon, you name it.
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27. And sure, these men all have
wives, kids, dogs, goldfish,
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being psychopaths,
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different leanings.
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underlying personality traits?
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31. Well, Kemper shows
a total lack of remorse,
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33. no ability to reflect
on the experience of others.
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34. - You saw this in my notes?
- It would've been clearer
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35. if you'd recorded and transcribed
your interviews verbatim,
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is obviously in the nascent stages,
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38. it already feels like a clear successor
to The Mask of Sanity,
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is quite a compliment.
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40. Repeat that? The Mask of...
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you don't think this,
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42. us interviewing these killers, is crazy?
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43. Just the opposite.
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44. I mean, crazy in the way that anyone
with a truly new idea is crazy.
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45. - But no.
- Wow, okay.
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47. That hasn't really been the feedback
we've gotten so far.
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48. Actually, this is the only feedback
we've gotten so far.
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49. Well, these men are just sitting here,
locked up.
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50. And we're too afraid of the morality of it
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51. to see the far-reaching value
of their insights.
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53. Into behavioral science, early detection,
criminology, you name it.
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54. Oh, yes, yes. This is what
I've been saying the whole time.
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55. Oh, have you?
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56. You need to put this
on a more formal footing.
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57. It's gonna take a lot of time and energy
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58. to expand it into a larger project
with a specific questionnaire.
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59. Their family histories,
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60. what their thoughts were
on why they did it,
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61. when they were aroused
during the killings, that sort of thing.
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62. Then contrast, compare, and publish.
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63. Publish?
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64. Well, you can't just circulate
your findings within the FBI.
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65. - I mean, maybe even turn it into a book.
- A book?
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66. Whoa.
We appreciate the vote of confidence,
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67. but we weren't allowed
to send you those notes.
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68. - We can't publicize what we're doing.
Why not?
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gave us weekends only
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71. We still have students,
we have Road School full-time.
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72. - We can't just drop everything—
- Road School?
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73. We travel around the country
and teach FBI techniques to cops.
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74. - Oh.
- We're seeing Benjamin Miller
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76. Road School is what gives us the freedom
to go out and interview these guys.
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and build out from there.
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like you said.
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that this was so informal.
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We can do that easily. And then a book.
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another set of eyes,
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from an academic standpoint.
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to your department head?
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86. No.
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can someone else do that?
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88. - Anyone can, it's really not that hard.
- That is not true,
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90. Shepard doesn't even want us
to talk about this.
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91. You really think he's going to say yes
to a full-time academic study?
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92. Never mind a book?
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93. You think people would be interested
in this outside of law enforcement?
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95. like truly imagine what it takes
to bludgeon someone to death.
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of your victim,
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100. How could you possibly get that
from an ordinary police report?
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101. You know why it took me nearly a decade
to publish my book?
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102. Because narcissists
don't go to the doctor.
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103. Psychopaths are convinced
that there is nothing wrong with them.
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are virtually impossible to study.
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105. Yet you have found a way to study them
in near perfect laboratory conditions.
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106. That's what make this so exciting
and potentially so far-reaching.
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107. It's not that I disagree.
I've spent enough time with Holden
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108. that I know what it means
when he gets that crazy look.
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109. I'm afraid it's just not feasible
within the bureaucracy of the FBI.
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110. We've got weekends.
We've got the evenings after Road School,
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111. an hour or so before Road School.
We don't have to tell Shepard.
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112. Interviewing 40 men across the States
is a full-time job.
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113. And if you want this to be
a legitimate academic study,
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114. then you're looking
at four, maybe five years.
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115. - And compiling, analyzing the data.
- Right.
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117. It's a shame.
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118. We have an interview with Miller
in an hour and it's a bit of a drive.
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119. You know, this is really important work.
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120. If your boss won't let you do it,
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121. then you should talk to someone
who has the freedom and resources to—
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122. We'll stick with it for now.
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123. It'll be slow going,
but we're not ready to give up yet.
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124. Of course not.
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125. But it's good to get some encouragement,
even if our hands are tied.
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128. - What if—
- Don't.
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129. - I'm just saying we could—
- Holden.
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131. You know, they shoot the birds in the yard
because they might be smuggling in drugs.
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132. Actually, I don't know if that's true.
A girlfriend told me once.
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133. - You date a lot of ex-cons?
- No.
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134. Actually, Debbie's the first girl
I've really dated-dated since high school.
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135. - Dated-dated.
- Yeah.
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136. My wife's the first woman
that I've married-married.
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137. I thought they said 3:00.
What are we waiting for?
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138. You'd be less fidgety
if you smoked cigarettes.
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139. I should have brought a tape recorder.
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141. Gentlemen. I'm Dr. Cale.
We spoke earlier on the phone.
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142. Thanks for doing this, Doctor.
We realize it's somewhat unorthodox.
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143. Unfortunately,
Miller says he won't talk to you.
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144. Now, we told him in advance and he agreed,
but there's really nothing we can do now.
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145. - He should be in a better mood tomorrow.
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146. Well, he gets like this sometimes.
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147. Just needs a cool-off period
before he can interact with people.
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148. We have to bring him food into his cell
because he won't come out.
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149. We're headed out tonight.
We can't come in tomorrow.
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150. I'm sorry.
Will you be back to Boston another time?
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151. Perhaps.
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We appreciate it.
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153. Of course.
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154. Well, that's the last time
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of something,
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in your head?
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158. - Where'd you get that ironing board?
- Your closet.
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about this project.
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160. Dr. Carr said it could have
far-reaching consequences.
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161. Why are you up? Did you smoke my pot?
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162. I can't stop thinking about this project.
The idea is so exciting.
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164. Just don't wake me up
when you come back to bed.
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165. Rissell's an hour or so away,
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166. so we don't have to do Road School
to get to him.
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167. There's, uh... Vaughn Greenwood.
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168. - The Skid Row Slasher?
- Yeah, he's in California.
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171. - What's his name?
- Posteal Laskey Jr.
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- Uh...
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174. I like teaching the Midwest cops.
Hospitable guys.
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175. There's always Richard Speck in Illinois.
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176. - Great, we can do a Midwest sweep.
- Gerard John Schaefer.
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177. He killed at least 30, they think.
That was in Florida, though.
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178. I can't say no to a Florida golf course.
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179. Bill Tench.
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180. - Hey, Bill. It's Roy Carver.
- Hey, Roy. What can I do for you?
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181. We need to talk.
There's been another attack.
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182. This time resulting in a fatality.
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183. - Got it.
- Can I get you guys back out here?
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185. - What's up?
- Carver.
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only this time she's dead.
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An old lady was just murdered.
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190. We can talk to Kemper again.
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191. Did she have a dog?
Please tell me there's a dog.
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192. A bigger dog. Slit from ear to ear.
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there will be more.
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196. A sequence killer.
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198. What we're calling it
when they kill three or more.
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199. Is this a new classification?
Need to get a steno to put it in writing.
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200. You bet. I'll talk to Marge.
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201. This is what you were talking about
with the Kemper thing?
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202. We briefed them with a description.
We need to make sure they bring him in.
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203. - It's what we predicted.
- Thank you, Holden. I've been listening.
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- I agree. You do now.
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You got a plane to catch.
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practically up the street.
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that Rosemary Gonzales was attacked,
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we liked, but he had an alibi.
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- He's a fry cook.
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Big corporate set up.
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- We might have to rethink.
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224. Now this woman wasn't as frail
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- And determined.
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228. - Why just groping? Why not rape her?
- Because he didn't want to.
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- Supposing he's 35, 40.
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- I've been rounding up teenagers.
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It's not a teenager.
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This isn't some random freak-out.
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- At least late 20s.
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Socially undeveloped.
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- Narcotics, maybe.
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Why not?
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Maybe he's married.
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244. - Or separated.
- Separated?
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Especially when it comes to women.
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247. - I wouldn't know anything about that.
- Lucky you.
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Not Latino? Black?
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249. I think blacks, Latinos might be
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250. - My bet is poor white trash.
- Listen, we did talk to some older guys.
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He'd been drinking.
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261. Mom!
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Bill Tench and Holden Ford.
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What do you want?
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266. - What do you want with him?
- These gentlemen are with the FBI.
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because that is what you're doing.
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I might as well walk up to the freeway,
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and save myself the misery.
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278. You'd think he'd be out of my hair by now.
Move the fuck on, but no.
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279. - You sleep on the couch?
- When he's not too drunk to get up there.
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280. Maybe we can talk outside, Dwight.
Have a smoke.
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breathing down your neck.
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No?
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I don't believe you.
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you never had a girlfriend?
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Scrape?
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- Twenty.
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Did you love her?
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What kind of fucking question is that?
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- What?
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- Let me see your arm.
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- Let me look at that again, Dwight.
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Your mom?
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- And Jesse.
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- I smoke.
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- Is that new? Jesse staying with you?
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That room's close by.
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That would drive me crazy.
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- She doesn't know what she wants.
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then she moves him right in, you know?
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- You ever talk to her about it?
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get an abortion with your girl.
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Do you get a say in hearing them fuck?
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if my mom told me what to do all the time.
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get her this, get her that.
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treat you like that?
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- I stick up for myself.
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- Didn't hear him say anything.
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Why do you stand there and take it?
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You ever cuss her out?
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- What does that mean?
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- Maybe.
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- You only have one mom.
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Didn't raise a hand, of course not.
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it all goes to shit, right?
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- Uh-uh.
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"Not with her"?
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because she loves you.
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can rest easier tonight.
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of sadistic assaults.
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himself a resident of the sleepy suburb,
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376. All right, all right, all right.
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by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
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382. - He's the modern-day Sherlock Holmes.
Absolutely!
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There's a lot of psychics in California
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Yeah!
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all the feds want to be...
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Inform us, oh, wise one.
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393. - Thank you.
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394. I just wanted to say thank you
for having this get-together.
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395. And Roy, thank you for acknowledging
what my partner Bill and I are doing.
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396. And for embracing that,
if we all work together,
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397. we can venture into the blackest night
and shine a light on the darkness.
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398. I'm talking about real darkness.
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401. Congratulations, guys.
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402. Good work.
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403. If only you could
shine a light on the darkness,
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405. Very, very funny.
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406. Dynamite!
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408. Good job.
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409. Yeah, I wanted to hear
how you're doing. That's all.
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414. Okay. I just wanted to hear your voice.
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drove you to kill those women?
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419. No.
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420. My point is, in reality,
it doesn't work the way you expect.
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421. When you stab somebody,
they're supposed to fall dead.
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422. They go, "Oh..."
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423. - And they fall dead, right?
- Right.
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424. In reality, when you stab somebody,
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428. Yeah.
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429. You know, it all really goes back
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to communicate socially, sexually.
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431. I was scared to death of failing
in male-female relationships,
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432. even sitting down to talk to a young lady.
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433. I wanted to communicate.
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436. and I'm going a little further each time.
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437. It's a daring kind of a thing.
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438. Like, first, there wasn't a gun.
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where there aren't people watching,
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but didn't kill them?
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445. this awful raging, eating feeling
is inside me.
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446. I would've loved to have just raped them,
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447. but not having any experience at all,
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448. I could feel it consuming my insides,
this fantastic passion.
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449. Fantastic passion?
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450. - It's a good phrase, no?
- Then what happens?
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451. You know, I'm thinking of writing
my own book.
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452. I've been trying to get a typewriter.
Maybe help me with that?
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453. I'm sure we could pull some strings.
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454. Then it builds, the feeling?
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455. At some point, you begin to...
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456. - enjoy the thrill.
- [Ed] Look...
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457. when you slit a person's throat,
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458. you need to cut it from ear to ear
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459. in order to sever the windpipe
and the jugular
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460. so that they bleed and suffocate
at the same time.
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461. Otherwise, they'll just be
in a great deal of pain.
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465. It's not, it's an instruction.
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466. You don't want to. You have to.
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469. I just wanted the exaltation
over the party.
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470. In other words, winning over death.
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471. They were dead and I was alive.
That was the pleasure.
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472. I was the hunter, they were my victims.
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475. I was lukewarm on Anita.
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477. [Ed] Oh, nothing in particular.
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479. I was really quite struck
by her personality and her looks,
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480. and there was just almost
a reverence there.
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482. Sometimes, afterward,
I visited there to be near her
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484. At the murder site?
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485. I've never been much to look at myself,
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486. but I've always gone after
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488. Sure.
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489. You probably can't imagine this,
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490. but since I was locked up
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491. for the murder of my grandparents,
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492. I was very much out of touch
with women my own age.
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493. When I got back on the street,
it was like being on a strange planet.
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494. I had been living with people
older than I was for so long,
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495. I was like an old fogy.
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496. That must have been jarring.
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497. [Ed] You know,
when I confessed to the police,
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498. they drove me through California
and we stopped by a diner for some food.
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499. Some attractive young ladies
walked by the car.
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500. I vomited.
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503. That was just how I reacted to women.
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509. Obviously,
not the way you're talking to us.
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510. If I could get a word in edgewise,
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511. everything would have been different.
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512. From the moment I woke up in the morning,
she was demeaning and belittling.
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513. And she knew all of my buttons
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514. because she put them there.
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515. I was her toy all my life,
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516. right up until the moment
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that night I walked up to her bed.
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as many thousands of nights before.
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523. She says, "Oh, I suppose you're gonna
want to wait up all night and talk now."
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525. "Wait up all night talking."
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for the first time.
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530. Because I'm not a lizard,
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531. I'm not from under a rock,
I came out of her vagina.
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532. I came out of my mother.
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533. Is it true that you put part of her
into the garbage disposal?
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534. Her vocal cords.
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535. Why?
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536. Because I couldn't shut her up.
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537. She wanted to destroy me
with words, literally.
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538. So I shut her up for good.
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539. And now, everyone knows it was
because of what she did to me,
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540. because of the way she treated her son.
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546. walking up the stairs to our apartment
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547. with a freshly severed head draining
about a pint of blood into a duffel bag.
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Just like that?
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- Thank you.
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552. - They walk right past me.
- Your two worlds are colliding...
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Kim or something.
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556. And it could just as easily
be Kim's head in that bag.
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- Exactly.
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558. And I realized I've never been on a date
in my entire life, ever.
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560. "I've never been on a date
with a girl, Mom."
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561. And what did she say?
- "Thank God."
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What a bitch.
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563. That's when I started burying the heads
in the backyard.
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564. - Sure.
- Right underneath Mom's bedroom window.
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565. Their faces looking right up
at her window while she was at home.
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I couldn't help myself.
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liked people to look up to her.
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570. Ugh!
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571. I still smell like Kemper.
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572. - Or maybe it's just CMF.
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like a locker room.
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581. - Yes, I do.
- That's good.
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582. I've known her all my life.
I'm not sure what I'd do without her.
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- Yeah.
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588. To fly home having got the bad guy,
just like in the movies.
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589. Yeah. It feels good
that Dwight's off the street.
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590. But Kemper has a way of tempering that.
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591. He makes you sick to your stomach,
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It's like standing near a black hole.
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- And he thinks we're his friends.
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604. Yeah.
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606. that it has that much potential
to change people's lives...
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- ... maybe we should invite her down.
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to the source.
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but in a very different way.
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625. Was she hot?
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- His mom?
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was hot and it always really disgusted me.
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and nobody made jokes about her anymore
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- I didn't know your mom had cancer.
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to grab my boobs when we're fucking.
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- Oh, is that why?
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- And women.
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639. I'm kinky.
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640. I'm very kinky.
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642. Then I could be a part of your case study.
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a very compelling interviewee.
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645. Oh, sure. What's on your mind?
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651. You know, fellatio, cunnilingus—
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653. Well, that's just it, Ken.
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656. Well, no, not that one.
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- Oh, sure.
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660. Just... take a look at the list.
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- Mm-hmm. Hmm.
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662. Fuckhead?
- You can keep that.
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665. And we're keeping "gang bang"?
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670. That can stay.
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- You know what I mean.
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687. Not sexual.
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689. But her ideas and her energy, she...
I sound like an idiot.
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on teacher.
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691. It's just someone like her
embracing this project says something.
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- I get it.
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- That's not fair.
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- Agent Ford.
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- Thank you.
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I was grading papers, but—
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702. No, I'm fine. I had some this morning.
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705. Um, I'm teaching a class
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707. People like, um...
Andy Warhol, Jim Morrison.
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708. Their celebrity becomes the only thing
they need to sustain their ego.
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- Very similar.
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Perhaps, yeah.
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