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2.  Excuse me. May I? 
			  
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3.  Students are welcome to everything. 
			  
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4.  - Cold season.
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5.  - I was just saying it's cold season.
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6.  Bill. 
			  
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7.  - How are you? Welcome.
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8.  How's your family? 
			  
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9.  Since when do you care
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10.  You want to dive in?
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11.  Here he is. 
			  
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12.  Dr. Wendy Carr, my partner Holden Ford. 
			  
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13.  Dr. Carr. 
			  
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14.  Agent Ford. I've read a lot about you. 
			  
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15.  - About me?
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16.  Uh, thank you. 
			  
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17.  Okay, um, let's go to my office. 
			  
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18.  I'm glad this worked out. 
			  
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19.  When you sent me your notes
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20.  I was in a real rut with my new book. 
			  
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21.  - What's your book about?
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22.  men not so different
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23.  How do you think the men you study
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24.  Well, first of all,
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25.  I study captains of industry: 
			  
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26.  IBM, MGM, Ford, Exxon, you name it. 
			  
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27.  And sure, these men all have
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28.  but not because they stopped
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29.  but because they just had
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30.  But you think they have the same
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31.  Well, Kemper shows
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32.  a lack of inner emotional structure, 
			  
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33.  no ability to reflect
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34.  - You saw this in my notes?
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35.  if you'd recorded and transcribed
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36.  but yeah. 
			  
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37.  Although your project
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38.  it already feels like a clear successor
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39.  which, as you know,
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40.  Repeat that? The Mask of... 
			  
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41.  So you're saying
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42.  us interviewing these killers, is crazy? 
			  
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43.  Just the opposite. 
			  
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44.  I mean, crazy in the way that anyone
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45.  - But no.
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46.  That's a relief. 
			  
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47.  That hasn't really been the feedback
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48.  Actually, this is the only feedback
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49.  Well, these men are just sitting here,
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50.  And we're too afraid of the morality of it 
			  
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51.  to see the far-reaching value
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52.  Far-reaching in law enforcement? 
			  
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53.  Into behavioral science, early detection,
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54.  Oh, yes, yes. This is what
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55.  Oh, have you? 
			  
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56.  You need to put this
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57.  It's gonna take a lot of time and energy 
			  
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58.  to expand it into a larger project
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59.  Their family histories, 
			  
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60.  what their thoughts were
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61.  when they were aroused
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62.  Then contrast, compare, and publish. 
			  
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63.  Publish? 
			  
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64.  Well, you can't just circulate
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65.  - I mean, maybe even turn it into a book.
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66.  Whoa.
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67.  but we weren't allowed
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68.  - We can't publicize what we're doing.
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69.  Our department head
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70.  and an office in the basement. 
			  
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71.  We still have students,
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72.  - We can't just drop everything—
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73.  We travel around the country
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74.  - Oh.
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75.  in Bridgewater this afternoon. 
			  
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76.  Road School is what gives us the freedom
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77.  We can go bit by bit. 
			  
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78.  Kemper and Miller
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79.  Make a study in our free time,
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80.  I didn't realize
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81.  We could make it formal.
We can do that easily. And then a book. 
			  
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82.  The successor to The Mask of— 
			  
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83.  I guess I just wanted to get
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84.  see if you thought this was valuable
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85.  Have you shown your Kemper notes
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86.  No. 
			  
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87.  Teaching police departments,
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88.  - Anyone can, it's really not that hard.
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89.  and it's beside the point. 
			  
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90.  Shepard doesn't even want us
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91.  You really think he's going to say yes
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92.  Never mind a book? 
			  
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93.  You think people would be interested
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94.  I mean, imagine, 
			  
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95.  like truly imagine what it takes
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96.  The lust for control, 
			  
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97.  the feeling of arousal, 
			  
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98.  the decision to rape the severed head
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99.  to humiliate her corpse. 
			  
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100.  How could you possibly get that
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101.  You know why it took me nearly a decade
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102.  Because narcissists
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103.  Psychopaths are convinced
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104.  So these men
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105.  Yet you have found a way to study them
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106.  That's what make this so exciting
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107.  It's not that I disagree.
I've spent enough time with Holden 
			  
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108.  that I know what it means
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109.  I'm afraid it's just not feasible
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110.  We've got weekends.
We've got the evenings after Road School, 
			  
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111.  an hour or so before Road School.
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112.  Interviewing 40 men across the States
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113.  And if you want this to be
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114.  then you're looking
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115.  - And compiling, analyzing the data.
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116.  Well... 
			  
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117.  It's a shame. 
			  
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118.  We have an interview with Miller
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119.  You know, this is really important work. 
			  
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120.  If your boss won't let you do it, 
			  
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121.  then you should talk to someone
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122.  We'll stick with it for now. 
			  
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123.  It'll be slow going,
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124.  Of course not. 
			  
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125.  But it's good to get some encouragement,
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126.  Thank you. 
			  
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127.  It's a pleasure. 
			  
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128.  - What if—
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129.  - I'm just saying we could—
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130.  Look, I'm frustrated too. 
			  
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131.  You know, they shoot the birds in the yard
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132.  Actually, I don't know if that's true.
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133.  - You date a lot of ex-cons?
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134.  Actually, Debbie's the first girl
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135.  - Dated-dated.
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136.  My wife's the first woman
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137.  I thought they said 3:00.
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138.  You'd be less fidgety
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139.  I should have brought a tape recorder. 
			  
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140.  Bureau Agents Tench and Ford? 
			  
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141.  Gentlemen. I'm Dr. Cale.
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142.  Thanks for doing this, Doctor.
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143.  Unfortunately,
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144.  Now, we told him in advance and he agreed,
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145.  - He should be in a better mood tomorrow.
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146.  Well, he gets like this sometimes. 
			  
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147.  Just needs a cool-off period
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148.  We have to bring him food into his cell
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149.  We're headed out tonight.
We can't come in tomorrow. 
			  
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150.  I'm sorry.
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151.  Perhaps. 
			  
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152.  Thanks for your time, Doctor.
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153.  Of course. 
			  
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154.  Well, that's the last time
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155.  Holden? 
			  
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156.  Ever feel like you're on the cusp
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157.  and it keeps spinning out
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158.  - Where'd you get that ironing board?
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159.  I just can't stop thinking
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160.  Dr. Carr said it could have
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161.  Why are you up? Did you smoke my pot? 
			  
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162.  I can't stop thinking about this project.
The idea is so exciting. 
			  
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163.  Okay. 
			  
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164.  Just don't wake me up
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165.  Rissell's an hour or so away, 
			  
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166.  so we don't have to do Road School
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167.  There's, uh... Vaughn Greenwood. 
			  
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168.  - The Skid Row Slasher?
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169.  Along with Herbert Mullin. 
			  
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170.  The Cincinnati Strangler... 
			  
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171.  - What's his name?
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172.  - I assume he's in Cincinnati?
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173.  Yeah. 
			  
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174.  I like teaching the Midwest cops.
Hospitable guys. 
			  
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175.  There's always Richard Speck in Illinois. 
			  
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176.  - Great, we can do a Midwest sweep.
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177.  He killed at least 30, they think.
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178.  I can't say no to a Florida golf course. 
			  
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179.  Bill Tench. 
			  
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180.  - Hey, Bill. It's Roy Carver.
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181.  We need to talk.
There's been another attack. 
			  
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182.  This time resulting in a fatality. 
			  
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183.  - Got it.
- Can I get you guys back out here? 
			  
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184.  Okay. Let me get back to you. 
			  
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185.  - What's up?
- Carver. 
			  
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186.  Been another one. 
			  
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187.  Same age as Rosemary Gonzales,
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188.  Bill, my God! We're vindicated. 
			  
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189.  What's the matter with you?
An old lady was just murdered. 
			  
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190.  We can talk to Kemper again. 
			  
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191.  Did she have a dog?
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192.  A bigger dog. Slit from ear to ear. 
			  
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193.  Amen. 
			  
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194.  Not only is this
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195.  but he's getting a taste for it,
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196.  A sequence killer. 
			  
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197.  A sequence killer? 
			  
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198.  What we're calling it
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199.  Is this a new classification?
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200.  You bet. I'll talk to Marge. 
			  
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201.  This is what you were talking about
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202.  We briefed them with a description.
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203.  - It's what we predicted.
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204.  We have to make this right.
- I agree. You do now. 
			  
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205.  What are you waiting for?
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206.  Yes, sir. 
			  
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207.  Name was Laura Conway. 
			  
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208.  Living literally half a mile away,
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209.  Same thing exactly, same time of night
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210.  about 10:30 or 11:00. 
			  
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211.  What about the dog? 
			  
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212.  A dog like that must've put up a fight.
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213.  The dog's fucking lasagna. 
			  
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214.  We rousted a bunch of kids, 
			  
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215.  had an 18-year-old from the neighborhood
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216.  - What was it?
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217.  Clocked in till midnight,
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218.  You spoke to his boss? 
			  
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219.  Yeah, one of these new burger joints.
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220.  Like McDonald's? 
			  
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221.  - Actually, I don't remember.
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222.  Look at that dog. 
			  
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223.  Someone had a good fucking grip on it,
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224.  Now this woman wasn't as frail
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225.  Whoever did this wasn't easily scared off. 
			  
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226.  - Older.
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227.  I don't understand
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228.  - Why just groping? Why not rape her?
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229.  He just wanted to dominate
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230.  That's one sick son of a bitch.
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231.  Supposing these women
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232.  - It's a mom thing.
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233.  - This is not a kid.
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234.  This time wasn't as frenzied.
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235.  Sacramento DA reamed my ass
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236.  and you've changed your mind? 
			  
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237.  It's not a one-off.
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238.  - This guy is getting confident.
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239.  Physically mature. Emotionally immature.
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240.  - Possibly still lives at home.
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241.  That's why he beat her this badly,
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242.  - You think?
Why not? 
			  
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243.  Not if he lives at home.
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244.  - Or separated.
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245.  Guys in unhappy marriages
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246.  They lash out.
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247.  - I wouldn't know anything about that.
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248.  You guys still think he's white?
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249.  I think blacks, Latinos might be
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250.  - My bet is poor white trash.
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251.  And this one right here
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252.  Just came walking up off the street. 
			  
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253.  "Hey, what happened? Did anybody see?"
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254.  One of these guys who likes
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255.  We should talk to him. 
			  
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256.  Sure. 
			  
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257.  - Mom. 
			  
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258.  Good morning. 
			  
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259.  Do you remember me? 
			  
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260.  Yeah, I remember you. 
			  
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261.  Mom! 
			  
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262.  Ma'am, I'm Detective Roy Carver. 
			  
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263.  These are my colleagues,
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264.  - Hello.
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265.  It's Dwight, right? 
			  
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266.  - What do you want with him?
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267.  Well, now what has he done? 
			  
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268.  Who the hell have you
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269.  May we come in? 
			  
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270.  FBI knocking at my door. 
			  
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271.  I might as well be dead for all he cares. 
			  
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272.  Just kill me now
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273.  And it is a slow death. 
			  
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274.  He's my only son.
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275.  stick my head under a truck
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276.  We'd just like to ask Dwight
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277.  Are these yours, Dwight? 
			  
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278.  You'd think he'd be out of my hair by now.
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279.  - You sleep on the couch?
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280.  Maybe we can talk outside, Dwight.
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281.  Take him. 
			  
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282.  Just give me a fucking moment to breathe. 
			  
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283.  Cigarette? 
			  
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284.  Nice lady. 
			  
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285.  Real maternal. 
			  
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286.  You have a lot of friends, Dwight? 
			  
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287.  Do you? 
			  
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288.  I saw a dog leash in the house,
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289.  You got a girlfriend? 
			  
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290.  Must be tough
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291.  with your old lady
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292.  - No.
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293.  It's not hard? 
			  
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294.  I don't have a girlfriend. 
			  
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295.  Good-looking guy like you?
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296.  You trying to suck me off? 
			  
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297.  Put it this way,
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298.  One time. 
			  
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299.  What happened? 
			  
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300.  She got pregnant. 
			  
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301.  My mom decided we were too young
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302.  She ratted you out. 
			  
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303.  What happened to the kid? 
			  
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304.  - She got a scrape.
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305.  Abortion. 
			  
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306.  How old were you?
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307.  - How old was she?
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308.  That doesn't seem too young to me.
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309.  I don't know.
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310.  I'm curious. Humor me. 
			  
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311.  Well, "I don't know," is the answer. 
			  
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312.  Do you think she loved you? 
			  
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313.  - You okay there, Dwight?
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314.  Looks like you've been going
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315.  You get in a scrap? 
			  
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316.  - No.
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317.  How'd you get those scratches? 
			  
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318.  I get drunk. I don't know. 
			  
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319.  I've never seen alcohol
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320.  I bump into things, I guess. 
			  
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321.  Like what? 
			  
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322.  I got them from a piece of wood. 
			  
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323.  - It's fine, I'm fine.
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324.  I don't have a dog. 
			  
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325.  - She's the one with the dog, not me.
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326.  Dwight. 
			  
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327.  Why don't you tell us right now
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328.  so you don't lie to an FBI agent, okay? 
			  
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329.  I got them from a piece of wood. 
			  
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330.  - Is it just you and her in there?
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331.  Who's Jesse? 
			  
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332.  Some guy. 
			  
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333.  - Not a big smoker?
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334.  Doesn't it get cramped in there,
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335.  - I guess.
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336.  A few weeks. 
			  
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337.  They just met or whatever. 
			  
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338.  - I don't know.
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339.  Is that kinda weird,
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340.  - No.
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341.  She sounds like she's hard to please. 
			  
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342.  - Does he do what she wants?
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343.  No? 
			  
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344.  Who just meets a guy,
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345.  - Kind of fucking weird.
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346.  What? 
			  
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347.  She made you
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348.  Do you get a say in her romantic life? 
			  
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349.  I mean, he's living right next to you.
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350.  I think that would piss me off,
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351.  Get an abortion,
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352.  Yeah. You let your mom
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353.  Don't you stick up for yourself?
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354.  - Didn't hear you doing that.
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355.  I stand my ground. I'm no pussy. 
			  
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356.  I'm not saying you're a pussy.
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357.  - You don't know what you're talking about.
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358.  - I give as good as I get.
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359.  You ever been in a fight?
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360.  - But not with Mom, right? Mom's different.
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361.  Never laid a finger on her.
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362.  Raise a hand to your mom,
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363.  - You ever lost control?
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364.  - Not with her, leastways.
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365.  Makes sense, you need
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366.  You'd never hurt your old lady— 
			  
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367.  You'd never hurt her
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368.  Florin residents
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369.  Sacramento Police have arrested
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370.  in connection with a recent pair
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371.  Police say Taylor,
himself a resident of the sleepy suburb, 
			  
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372.  beat Rosemary Gonzales, 74,
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373.  and stabbed to death Laura Conway, 64. 
			  
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374.  The victims lived less than a mile apart. 
			  
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375.  In a disturbing twist, after viciously
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376.  All right, all right, all right. 
			  
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377.  Listen, everybody in this room
remembers when they were a little kid, 
			  
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378.  when they figured out
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379.  I knew I wanted to be a detective
in the third grade 
			  
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380.  when I read A Study in Scarlet
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381.  Well, this guy right here? 
			  
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382.  - He's the modern-day Sherlock Holmes.
Absolutely! 
			  
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383.  - And that makes you Dr. Watson. 
			  
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384.  Thank you. 
			  
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385.  No shit. 
			  
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386.  - Either that or you guys are psychic. 
			  
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387.  Hey, don't laugh.
There's a lot of psychics in California 
			  
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388.  - and they all want to be cops.
Yeah! 
			  
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389.  All the cops want to be feds,
all the feds want to be... 
			  
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390.  - I don't know what. 
			  
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391.  Oh! He's gonna make a speech.
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392.  - Speech! 
			  
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393.  - Thank you.
Speech! 
			  
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394.  I just wanted to say thank you
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395.  And Roy, thank you for acknowledging
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396.  And for embracing that,
if we all work together, 
			  
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397.  we can venture into the blackest night
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398.  I'm talking about real darkness. 
			  
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399.  - And thanks for the beer. 
			  
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400.  We were happy to help. 
			  
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401.  Congratulations, guys. 
			  
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402.  Good work. 
			  
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403.  If only you could
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404.  you could illuminate my keys. 
			  
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405.  Very, very funny. 
			  
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406.  Dynamite! 
			  
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407.  Okay. You got us. 
			  
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408.  Good job. 
			  
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409.  Yeah, I wanted to hear
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410.  His teacher? 
			  
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411.  I'm sorry to hear that. 
			  
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412.  No, I don't think we'll be back in time. 
			  
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413.  So... 
			  
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414.  Okay. I just wanted to hear your voice. 
			  
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415.  Give him a kiss from Dad. 
			  
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416.  Love you too. 
			  
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417.  I'm sorry, Ed, 
			  
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418.  do you mean that violence in the movies
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419.  No. 
			  
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420.  My point is, in reality,
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421.  When you stab somebody,
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422.  They go, "Oh..." 
			  
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423.  - And they fall dead, right?
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424.  In reality, when you stab somebody,
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425.  and they leak to death very slowly. 
			  
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426.  So I was reluctant, I didn't enjoy it. 
			  
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427.  Did you get that on tape? 
			  
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428.  Yeah. 
			  
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429.  You know, it all really goes back 
			  
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430.  to my perceived inability
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431.  I was scared to death of failing
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432.  even sitting down to talk to a young lady. 
			  
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433.  I wanted to communicate. 
			  
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434.  Ironically enough,
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435.  I pick a girl up 
			  
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436.  and I'm going a little further each time. 
			  
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437.  It's a daring kind of a thing. 
			  
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438.  Like, first, there wasn't a gun. 
			  
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439.  Then I'm driving along, 
			  
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440.  we go to a vulnerable place
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441.  but I say, "No, I can't." 
			  
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442.  So you picked up women
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443.  But then, a gun is in the car, 
			  
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444.  and this craving, 
			  
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445.  this awful raging, eating feeling
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446.  I would've loved to have just raped them, 
			  
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447.  but not having any experience at all, 
			  
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448.  I could feel it consuming my insides,
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449.  Fantastic passion? 
			  
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450.  - It's a good phrase, no?
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451.  You know, I'm thinking of writing
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452.  I've been trying to get a typewriter.
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453.  I'm sure we could pull some strings. 
			  
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454.  Then it builds, the feeling? 
			  
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455.  At some point, you begin to... 
			  
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456.  - enjoy the thrill.
- [Ed] Look... 
			  
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457.  when you slit a person's throat, 
			  
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458.  you need to cut it from ear to ear 
			  
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459.  in order to sever the windpipe
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460.  so that they bleed and suffocate
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461.  Otherwise, they'll just be
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462.  That's how I learnt the term "ear to ear," 
			  
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463.  literally, what that meant. 
			  
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464.  People think it's just an expression. 
			  
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465.  It's not, it's an instruction. 
			  
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466.  You don't want to. You have to. 
			  
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467.  So there's no pleasure, Ed? 
			  
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468.  [Ed] Sure there is. 
			  
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469.  I just wanted the exaltation
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470.  In other words, winning over death. 
			  
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471.  They were dead and I was alive.
That was the pleasure. 
			  
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472.  I was the hunter, they were my victims. 
			  
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473.  So how did you feel
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474.  I liked Mary the best. 
			  
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475.  I was lukewarm on Anita. 
			  
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476.  What was wrong with her? 
			  
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477.  [Ed] Oh, nothing in particular. 
			  
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478.  It was more that Mary was... 
			  
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479.  I was really quite struck
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480.  and there was just almost
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481.  - Reverence?
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482.  Sometimes, afterward,
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483.  because I loved her and wanted her. 
			  
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484.  At the murder site? 
			  
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485.  I've never been much to look at myself, 
			  
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486.  but I've always gone after
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487.  I bet you're the same. 
			  
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488.  Sure. 
			  
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489.  You probably can't imagine this, 
			  
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490.  but since I was locked up
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491.  for the murder of my grandparents, 
			  
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492.  I was very much out of touch
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493.  When I got back on the street,
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494.  I had been living with people
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495.  I was like an old fogy. 
			  
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496.  That must have been jarring. 
			  
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497.  [Ed] You know,
when I confessed to the police, 
			  
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498.  they drove me through California
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499.  Some attractive young ladies
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500.  I vomited. 
			  
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501.  Right there and then, on the police car,
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502.  Quite violently. 
			  
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503.  That was just how I reacted to women. 
			  
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504.  I had no other way. 
			  
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505.  Let me ask you something. 
			  
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506.  Ever talk with anyone about this? 
			  
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507.  About your inclinations? 
			  
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508.  Your mom... maybe? 
			  
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509.  Obviously,
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510.  If I could get a word in edgewise, 
			  
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511.  everything would have been different. 
			  
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512.  From the moment I woke up in the morning,
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513.  And she knew all of my buttons 
			  
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514.  because she put them there. 
			  
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515.  I was her toy all my life, 
			  
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516.  right up until the moment
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517.  Ed... 
			  
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518.  why did you do what you did... 
			  
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519.  with her head? 
			  
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520.  Why does anyone? 
			  
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521.  You know,
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522.  She's laying there reading a paperback,
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523.  She says, "Oh, I suppose you're gonna
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524.  Can you believe that? 
			  
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525.  "Wait up all night talking." 
			  
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526.  Shit. 
			  
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527.  And I knew I was gonna kill her... 
			  
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528.  you know? 
			  
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529.  I was honest with myself
for the first time. 
			  
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530.  Because I'm not a lizard, 
			  
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531.  I'm not from under a rock,
I came out of her vagina. 
			  
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532.  I came out of my mother. 
			  
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533.  Is it true that you put part of her
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534.  Her vocal cords. 
			  
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535.  Why? 
			  
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536.  Because I couldn't shut her up. 
			  
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537.  She wanted to destroy me
with words, literally. 
			  
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538.  So I shut her up for good. 
			  
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539.  And now, everyone knows it was
because of what she did to me, 
			  
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540.  because of the way she treated her son. 
			  
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541.  Pizza! 
			  
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542.  You guys. 
			  
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543.  Okay. So you get out of the car... 
			  
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544.  - I just walk into the apartment building.
- Anyone around? 
			  
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545.  So, I'm home, 
			  
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546.  walking up the stairs to our apartment 
			  
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547.  with a freshly severed head draining
about a pint of blood into a duffel bag. 
			  
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548.  You just got it under your arm?
Just like that? 
			  
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549.  Take another slice.
- Thank you. 
			  
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550.  Then comes this picture postcard, 
			  
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551.  groovy, happy young couple on the stairs. 
			  
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552.  - They walk right past me.
- Your two worlds are colliding... 
			  
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553.  My murderous fantasy life and this. 
			  
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554.  Pretty girl. Pretty name.
Kim or something. 
			  
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555.  Going out on a date with her boyfriend. 
			  
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556.  And it could just as easily
be Kim's head in that bag. 
			  
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557.  - You're playing God.
- Exactly. 
			  
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558.  And I realized I've never been on a date
in my entire life, ever. 
			  
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559.  And I got in the door and I said to Mom, 
			  
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560.  "I've never been on a date
with a girl, Mom." 
			  
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561.  And what did she say?
- "Thank God." 
			  
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562.  - Can you believe that?
What a bitch. 
			  
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563.  That's when I started burying the heads
in the backyard. 
			  
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564.  - Sure.
- Right underneath Mom's bedroom window. 
			  
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565.  Their faces looking right up
at her window while she was at home. 
			  
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566.  Right under her nose, man.
I couldn't help myself. 
			  
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567.  What the fuck? 
			  
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568.  I know it's silly, but Mom always
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569.  - Whoa. 
			  
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570.  Ugh! 
			  
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571.  I still smell like Kemper. 
			  
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572.  - Or maybe it's just CMF. 
			  
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573.  It did smell pretty bad,
like a locker room. 
			  
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574.  Gonna make me
lose my appetite. 
			  
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575.  So... 
			  
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576.  you like your mom? 
			  
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577.  Sorry. Not funny. 
			  
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578.  Yeah. I liked my mom. 
			  
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579.  But she's not around anymore. 
			  
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580.  You like your wife? 
			  
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581.  - Yes, I do.
- That's good. 
			  
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582.  I've known her all my life.
I'm not sure what I'd do without her. 
			  
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583.  - How about that girlfriend?
- Yeah. 
			  
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584.  She's great. Smart. 
			  
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585.  I think she actually likes me. 
			  
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586.  Sounds like we got it made. 
			  
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587.  It feels good, doesn't it? 
			  
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588.  To fly home having got the bad guy,
just like in the movies. 
			  
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589.  Yeah. It feels good
that Dwight's off the street. 
			  
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590.  But Kemper has a way of tempering that. 
			  
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591.  He makes you sick to your stomach,
doesn't he? 
			  
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592.  Yes. 
			  
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593.  More than Dwight? 
			  
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594.  There's nothing behind Kemper's eyes.
It's like standing near a black hole. 
			  
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595.  - Right.
- And he thinks we're his friends. 
			  
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596.  Well, he thinks you're his friend. 
			  
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597.  Which makes you a pretty great FBI agent. 
			  
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598.  I've been thinking
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599.  You have? 
			  
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600.  We're good at this shit, 
			  
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601.  even if it turns my stomach. 
			  
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602.  If we're gonna take a backseat
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603.  everything interesting... 
			  
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604.  Yeah. 
			  
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605.  If she really thinks
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606.  that it has that much potential
to change people's lives... 
			  
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607.  - Yeah?
- ... maybe we should invite her down. 
			  
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608.  Just for a day, to strategize. 
			  
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609.  I think that's a fantastic idea. 
			  
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610.  At least we could compile
what we have so far 
			  
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611.  and create a plan
so if we want to talk to Shepard— 
			  
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612.  So we can be prepared. 
			  
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613.  It's a long shot. 
			  
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614.  He hates you already. 
			  
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615.  He's beginning to hate you, too. 
			  
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616.  Right. 
			  
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617.  So why half-ass it? 
			  
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618.  Dwight would have kept doing it,
just like Kemper, 
			  
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619.  until he finally made his way
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620.  It's kind of prosaic
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621.  It was the mother,
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622.  More... 
			  
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623.  love. 
			  
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624.  If you can even call it that. 
			  
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625.  Was she hot? 
			  
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626.  - Who?
- His mom? 
			  
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627.  - Ugh... 
			  
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628.  Guys in my high school thought my mom
was hot and it always really disgusted me. 
			  
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629.  But then she went through chemo
and nobody made jokes about her anymore 
			  
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630.  - and it kind of made me sad.
- I didn't know your mom had cancer. 
			  
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631.  That's why I'm always asking you
to grab my boobs when we're fucking. 
			  
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632.  - Make you check for cancerous lumps.
- Oh, is that why? 
			  
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633.  I can't let these guys rub off on me. 
			  
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634.  - The way they view sex.
- And women. 
			  
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635.  Thanks for coming. 
			  
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636.  I needed to see you. 
			  
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637.  And now that I'm all clean... 
			  
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638.  If going down on me while I'm filing
my nails is your idea of being kinky... 
			  
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639.  I'm kinky. 
			  
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640.  I'm very kinky. 
			  
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641.  I could impale you with this nail file. 
			  
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642.  Then I could be a part of your case study. 
			  
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643.  You would be
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644.  Hey, Kenneth,
can I ask you something? 
			  
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645.  Oh, sure. What's on your mind? 
			  
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646.  I've, uh, done a bit of thinking about
some of the things that we're teaching. 
			  
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647.  In particular,
the list of deviant terminology. 
			  
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648.  The cuss words? 
			  
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649.  Right. Well, I was thinking more the... 
			  
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650.  - descriptors of the acts.
- Uh... 
			  
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651.  You know, fellatio, cunnilingus— 
			  
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652.  Okay, what exactly is the issue? 
			  
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653.  Well, that's just it, Ken.
I don't have an issue. 
			  
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654.  I really don't know that they are deviant. 
			  
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655.  Anal violation? 
			  
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656.  Well, no, not that one. 
			  
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657.  - Have you talked to Bill about this?
- Oh, sure. 
			  
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658.  Bill agrees with me. 
			  
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659.  And you think we should alter
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660.  Just... take a look at the list. 
			  
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661.  - Think about it, okay?
- Mm-hmm. Hmm. 
			  
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662.  Fuckhead?
- You can keep that. 
			  
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663.  Fuckbag? 
			  
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664.  That, too. 
			  
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665.  And we're keeping "gang bang"? 
			  
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666.  What's right is right. 
			  
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667.  Klismaphilia? 
			  
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668.  Klisma— what? 
			  
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669.  Enemas. Either giving or having. 
			  
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670.  That can stay. 
			  
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671.  And we're losing "pussy,"dildo," 
			  
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672.  "fellatio,"cunnilingus." 
			  
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673.  Are you sure about this? 
			  
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674.  Yes. 
			  
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675.  Thank you, Marge. 
			  
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676.  It's for the best. 
			  
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677.  All right. 
			  
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678.  So, you and Dr. Carr go back? 
			  
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679.  I consulted her
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680.  We go back a few years. Why do you ask? 
			  
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681.  Just curious. 
			  
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682.  No. 
			  
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683.  - No?
- You know what I mean. 
			  
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684.  - I didn't mean to imply—
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685.  I didn't mean... 
			  
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686.  Just... Wendy has something. 
			  
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687.  Not sexual. 
			  
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688.  Maybe a little sexual. 
			  
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689.  But her ideas and her energy, she...
I sound like an idiot. 
			  
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690.  You sound like you have a crush
on teacher. 
			  
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691.  It's just someone like her
embracing this project says something. 
			  
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692.  - Don't you think?
- I get it. 
			  
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693.  Old Man Tench jumps on board, so what? 
			  
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694.  Grumpy old Shepard, who cares? 
			  
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695.  - But the foxy professor—
- That's not fair. 
			  
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696.  That's her. 
			  
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697.  - Dr. Carr.
- Agent Ford. 
			  
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698.  Welcome to Quantico.
- Thank you. 
			  
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699.  How was your trip? 
			  
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700.  It was a little dull to be honest.
I was grading papers, but— 
			  
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701.  We can stop at the cafeteria for a coffee
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702.  No, I'm fine. I had some this morning. 
			  
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703.  We're just this way. 
			  
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704.  So what are you teaching? 
			  
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705.  Um, I'm teaching a class 
			  
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706.  on the intersection of sociopathy
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707.  People like, um...
Andy Warhol, Jim Morrison. 
			  
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708.  Their celebrity becomes the only thing
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709.  - Nixon was a sociopath.
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710.  How do you get to be president
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711.  if you're a sociopath? 
			  
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712.  The question is, how do you get to be
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713.  - if you're not? 
			  
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714.  That's why this work is so vital.
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715.  All the way to the White House.
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