1. This guy here,
Billy Joe Shaver,
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country music songwriters
alive today.
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3. The fact that he's alive at all
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4. is pretty unbelievable,
given the life he's lead.
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5. And insider backstage,
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6. an outsider in the business,
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7. Billy Joe Shaver dropped acid
with the Grateful Dead,
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8. picked a fight
with Waylon Jennings,
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9. he married
the same woman
three times,
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10. divorced her
after each one,
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11. and, like almost
everyone else
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12. in this series so far,
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13. he shot a guy.
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14. Well, I first met
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15. Billy Joe on the stage.
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16. He was playing a song,
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17. so I just picked up my Hobbs,
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18. started playing with
him, you know?
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19. He said, "Oh, man."
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20. He said, "You can—
you can play that
French harp."
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21. Then he said,
"Why don't you come out
on the road with me?"
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22. The next day,
I get up, pack my stuff,
and I head to Billy Joe's.
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23. Brenda, his wife at the time,
she answered the door
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24. and she said,
"They're downstairs
rehearsing."
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25. So I said, "Okay,"
so I go downstairs.
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26. (chuckles)
And Billy looks at me,
then he looks over at Fred,
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27. and he goes,
"You know, I got
a little buzz on last night."
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28. And he said, "I hired
this crazy Yankee
harmonica player."
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29. He said,
"I can't understand
a word he said."
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30. He said, "We're just
gonna humor him."
(all laugh)
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31. These guys know
more about Billy Joe Shaver
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32. than they'd ever
speak about openly.
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33. Roguie Ray LaMontagne
played harmonica with him.
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34. Freddy Fletcher
played drums,
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35. and Don Mealer, well...
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36. I didn't do
much of nothing
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37. except carry drums
and roadie a little.
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38. My nickname is Poobah.
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39. Where is that from, Freddy?
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40. I'd— I'd go to jail.
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41. (Ray laughs)
I'm not sure where
that comes from.
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42. I thought it came
from The Flintstones. (laughs)
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43. Billy goes,
"That damn Poobah,
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44. he gets all the girls."
(laughter)
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45. "What's with that guy?"
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46. Billy Joe had this van
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47. he called Old Blue
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48. that we traveled in,
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49. and he had it
all kind of fixed up.
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50. There was a bed in the back,
had a couch in there.
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51. We were in a lot
of bad situations
in that van.
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52. We was in Old Blue,
coming up to Canada,
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53. going through the border,
pulling a stolen U-Haul
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54. that we had rented months
and months before.
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55. This was in, uh...
Late '70s.
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56. Yeah, late '70s,
early '80s.
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57. "We're going to Canada.
No drugs."
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58. Billy Joe made a big,
big thing about that.
(chuckles)
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59. "No drugs!
You know they've got
a big checkpoint up here.
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60. We got no drugs, right?"
That's what he's said.
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61. "We're gonna have to pull over."
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62. Everybody got out,
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63. was going through their bags.
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64. All the sudden, all this dope's
coming out, you know,
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65. and during those times,
cocaine was real popular.
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66. There's guns coming out,
and there's knives and things
of that nature.
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67. And I had a belt
that had a—
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68. the buckle was actually
a knife in a sheath.
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69. Roguie probably had
some brass knuckles
or something, you know,
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70. and Billy Joe always carried
this little derringer.
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71. He called it his popgun.
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72. He'd carry it in his boot.
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73. Billy Joe says,
"We gotta hide it somewhere,"
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74. so there was
a mile marker there.
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75. You have these mile markers
that show you where you are
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76. and how close you're getting
to whatever destination.
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77. So we picked a mile marker
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78. and dug a hole
and stashed all our shit.
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79. But then coming back,
it was like, "Oh man!"
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80. We couldn't remember...
(laughs)
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81. which mile marker.
(laughter)
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82. I remember going down
the road real slow,
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83. looking... (laughs)
and, you know.
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84. Things were hazy back then,
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85. but, uh, if we didn't find
our stash,
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86. we headed home pretty quick
to get some more.
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87. They drove Old Blue
all over North America,
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88. but they always
came back to Texas,
Billy Joe's home state.
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89. He, uh, grew up
with his grandmother
around Corsicana
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90. in the middle of nowhere
in Central Texas—
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91. pretty humble beginnings—
and loved poetry.
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92. Some of the memories are
probably a little painful.
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93. One of the early stories
Billy Joe told me
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94. was that he snuck in
to see Homer and Jethro.
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95. We just know two songs,
and we already sang
one of 'em first...
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96. (laughter)
so we'd like to do
the other one right now.
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97. We're gonna—
we're gonna do
one here called,
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98. "I Miss My Wife's Cooking
Whenever I Can."
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99. Henry "Homer" Haynes
and Kenneth "Jethro" Burns
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100. were known as
the Thinking Man's Hillbillies,
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101. a mantle Billy Joe
would one day inherit.
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102. As a kid, they were
the first act he went to see.
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103. I was about eight
or something,
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104. Homer and Jethro were down
at the Miracle Bread Company,
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105. and so I decided,
"Well, I'm gonna sneak out
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106. of the house at night
and go down there."
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107. And I'm barefooted,
got little old overalls on
and no shirt.
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108. But I got there,
and, uh, there was
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smoking and drinking.
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110. And I got in there,
and I'm having to jump around
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111. to keep people
from stepping on my feet.
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112. And I decided, "Well,
I'll shimmy up this pole,"
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113. and that's when
they introduced Hank Williams.
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114. He just sang
right straight to me,
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115. and when he sang
straight to me,
it lit me up.
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116. Went on home,
got the beating of my life.
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117. My grandma, like, half—
beat me half to death,
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118. but I knew then
what I was gonna do.
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119. A lot of what he drew from
was his experiences.
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120. There's one song called
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121. "I'd Walk Six Miles
of Train Track
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122. to Hear
Hank Williams Sing."
It's a true story.
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123. Billy Joe was
gonna write songs,
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124. and to do that,
he needed to experience
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125. a little more of the world
than what he had there
in Corsicana.
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126. Oh, I was about 15
or something like that.
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127. I went over to Boys Town
there in Matamoros.
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128. Matamoros is just
across the border in Mexico,
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129. about 30 miles
from Brownsville.
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130. Boys Town is in La Zona Roja,
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131. the red-light district.
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132. As a kid and being a Texan,
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133. I think all the boys ended up,
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going to Boys Town.
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135. There's girls,
there's drugs—
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136. basically anything you want.
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137. You never leave
with a good feeling.
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138. It's lots of fun.
I went into this one
particular joint.
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139. I'm setting there
at the table, drinking,
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140. and all of a sudden,
a bottle whizzed by my head.
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141. So, I started throwing
my bottles at them, too.
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142. Billy Joe:
And there's bottles
flying everywhere...
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143. (sirens blare)
and about that time though,
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145. and they grab me,
of course, right off.
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146. He was thrown
in jail in Mexico
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147. at probably 15 years old.
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148. Billy Joe:
I asked this guy
next-door to me,
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149. "Man, I sure could do
with a smoke."
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150. He said, "It's a dollar."
So I handed him a dollar,
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151. and then I realized
I didn't have no matches.
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152. He sold me one match
for a dollar again,
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154. and he said,
"Don't do that.
You'll ruin it.
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155. You gotta have
a piece of this here
envelope thing that it came in."
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156. I said,
"Well, man, come on.
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157. You-you— you mess
with me long enough."
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158. He said,
"Well, this'll be it."
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160. And, boy, it was
the best cigarette
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in my whole life.
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162. Anyhow, I got out.
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163. Billy Joe made
his way back to Texas
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164. and found a job
at Cameron Mills,
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165. a lumber mill
about an hour south of Waco.
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166. And that's where I got
these fingers cut off.
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167. It was a double-end machine,
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168. and on the side
there was steel deal
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169. with razor blades
all in it, just flying.
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170. You couldn't even see it,
it was going so fast.
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171. My glove got hung in there,
and it didn't have
no safety switch,
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172. and I put my foot up
against the darn thing.
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173. I scooped my fingers up,
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174. and it was so strange,
because I'd just read a—
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175. a deal about these
Japanese people sewing
the fingers back on.
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176. I got in my pickup
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177. and went over
to the doctor's office.
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178. I handed him my fingers.
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179. I said, "Can you sew
these fingers back on?
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180. He said, "What?"
"They do it in Japan."
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181. And he said,
"This is Waco, Texas!"
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182. (laughs)
Did one of those deals on me.
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183. And the nurse there,
she looked at me,
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184. and she said, "Mr. Billy,
can I have them fingers?"
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185. She came out
with a Mason jar—
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186. I swear, it already
had the formaldehyde
and everything in it—
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187. and she just dropped
them fingers down in there.
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188. And she was pretty, too, man.
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189. I figured, "Well,
this is an in, you know?
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190. I'll go to the hospital,
then I'll come back."
(laughs)
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191. Kinky Friedman:
Every story Billy Joe
tells is true.
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192. He doesn't write
any fanciful stuff.
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193. And the idea
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in a sawmill accident
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196. and have such a great
sense of humor about it—
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197. He always waves to the audience
with that hand, you know.
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198. I mean, that'd be enough
to stop most people.
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199. Singer, songwriter,
politician,
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200. and close friend
of Billy Joe Shaver,
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201. Kinky Friedman has known
the man almost all his life.
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202. I just remember me and Billy Joe
scratching around in Nashville.
(dog barking)
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203. Want the dogs barking out there?
Yeah, okay. (spits)
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204. That's part of the ambience?
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205. Well, I tell you what,
we'll put that dog
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(barking continues)
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207. Billy Joe adopted
a three-legged dog from us,
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208. from our rescue ranch
for animals.
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209. I knew he would take that dog,
uh, for a lot of reasons.
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210. We always say,
"May the Lord take
a liking to you,"
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211. but the Lord has taken
a liking to Billy Joe.
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212. In spite of all
the tragedy in his life,
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self-inflicted—
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not when he was
in his mother's womb
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to death by his father.
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216. Um, and the mother—
after he was born,
the mother—
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the mother left, took off.
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when I was born,
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"If it's a boy,
I'm leaving."
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I was a boy, you know.
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221. If you have that poverty
and miserableness
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and alcohol and drugs,
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for a great songwriter.
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224. Well, that brings us
to the drugs, I guess,
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225. which really got serious
after Billy Joe decided
to leave home for good.
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226. He's got to make a move
out of Texas at some point
and really go pursue this.
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227. So he's gonna go to LA.
He's trying to hitchhike.
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228. He's standing
out there for hours
and not getting a ride.
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229. And he went,
"Well, fuck it," you know.
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230. And he goes
to the other side
of the highway...
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and ends up in Nashville.
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around drugs.
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234. It was pills back then, uppers.
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235. Basically, the same thing
Johnny Cash had.
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236. Singer Bobby Bare
met Billy Joe
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of the world.
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238. He'd just started up
a publishing company.
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239. He came in my office
one morning on Music Row,
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242. The first song
of his I heard
was "Black Rose," I think.
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243. When I first got to town,
I didn't have nowhere to stay,
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244. didn't have no car, nothing.
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245. He landed
on the couch of another
songwriter named Hal Bynum,
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246. known for the Kenny Rogers hit,
"Lucille," among other things.
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247. Hal was a fighter,
and I got in a lot
of fights, you know.
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248. Hal would come in at night,
usually, I'd be asleep.
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249. I'd feel something
on my neck,
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250. and it'd be
a dang rusty knife,
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251. and he would read
Alfred Lord Tennyson.
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"Into the Valley of Death
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Hal would do.
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255. I told Bobby about it.
I said, "I don't know
what's the matter with me.
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why I didn't leave.
I guess I liked the poetry."
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257. He said, "No, I think
you liked the knife."
(laughs)
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259. He doesn't have
that kind of courage.
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260. Billy Joe was the one
who was fearless,
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261. particularly when it came
to experimentation.
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262. I've heard the stories
about Willie and Waylon
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263. testing, uh, dope on Billy Joe.
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264. I was kind of a guinea pig,
but I got a lot of free drugs.
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265. He'd take a handful of pills,
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and watch him for an hour,
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268. I got a lot of cocaine
from Waylon.
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269. And Willie,
he wouldn't do nothing
but smoke marijuana.
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fire you if he smelt
marijuana around you.
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Willie would fire you
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272. if he heard
you were doing coke.
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273. Both Willie
and Waylon Jennings
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274. were instrumental
in Billy Joe's career,
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275. but his big break
came in a roundabout way
from the Grateful Dead.
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276. I went into Austin,
and I was supposed to play
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277. in front of the Grateful Dead,
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a day late.
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across the parking lot,
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he comes hollering at me,
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the Dead left you something."
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a man purse...
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and he had a big roll
of toilet paper.
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And I said,
"What are you trying—
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something or what?"
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289. He said,
"There's a hit of Owsley acid
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the street name for LSD,
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293. the chemist who
was also known as Bear,
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294. who just happened to be
the Grateful Dead's sound man.
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295. Anyway, went and took a hit.
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296. And later that night,
I'm all, "Whoa, man."
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on the cement.
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brown recluse spider
had bit my arm.
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all night long, I guess,
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biting the hell out of me.
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303. And I remember
pushing it off,
and it was dead.
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of the Dripping
Springs Reunion,
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that would become
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annual 4th of July picnic.
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but it was a great lineup,
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of nowhere in Texas.
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cowboys and hippies
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their blouses on stage.
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Billy Joe was gonna
play the picnic,
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out into the wilderness
for two or three days.
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I was Jesus Christ,
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uh, heal people and stuff.
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and I finally found this
little peanut truck—
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a peanut trailer.
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you can get in 'em,
but you can.
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passing a guitar around.
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"Willy the Wandering Gypsy
and Me,"
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here comes somebody
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all bent over,
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"Whose song is that?"
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327. He said, "You got any more
of those cowboy songs?"
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328. Billy Joe finally sucked,
fucked or cajoled Waylon
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a whole record of his songs,
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to be Honky Tonk Heroes.
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331. What Billy Joe did not do,
was he would not leave
the studio
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and no artist appreciates
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every fucking thing he does.
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a hundred dollar bill
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"Give this to Billy Joe,
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the fuck out of here
and stay away."
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threw it back at Midnight,
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"You tell Waylon
to stick this up his ass."
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was released in 1973.
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it was the Outlaw Movement's
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and maybe Waylon's best.
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342. Record company was happy,
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went... skyrocketing.
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he went back on the road
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playing songs for anyone
who would listen.
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346. And he went back to Texas,
where he had family,
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347. which brings us
to Billy Joe's relationship
to women,
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for any songwriter.
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349. He married his first wife,
Brenda, three times
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351. and then he did the same thing
with wife number two, Wanda.
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352. She was my triple-ex-wife.
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353. She could drink
more than I could.
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I married her, really.
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fittingly, in Las Vegas.
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he married us.
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the guitar player
for ZZ Top?
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an hour and a half.
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361. We arrived at the Chapel
of the West.
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and I said, uh, "Gee, man,
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363. I'm really kind of excited.
This is kind of a big deal."
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"Oh, don't think
anything of it.
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(laughs)
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a number on it.
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going back to the hotel.
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"Where's the celebration?"
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369. They said, uh,
"Oh, it's right there."
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to the center of the casino.
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"Well, where's Billy Joe?"
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372. "You can see 'em.
They're right down there
on the floor."
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373. I said, "Well,
what are they doing?"
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374. They're down there
on the floor,
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in the center of the casino.
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that Indian wrestling thing.
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and then two,
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(cracks)
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to the little walk-in clinic,
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uh, we better, uh—
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So they did a quick X-ray.
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he was my best man.
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and she can cry.
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that she has little plugs,
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mascara ran all down her face.
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just beat the hell out of her.
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gone all night long,
you know.
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Billy consummated
the marriage.
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headed back to Texas
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at a watering hole,
close to home,
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on the outskirts of Waco.
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pull into if you got any sense.
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and here comes this guy,
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a brick shit-house.
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there to our table,
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the drinks with this here—
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uh, Kershaw knives
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my wife with her head
up against his head,
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You know, they're close.
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We getting a divorce,
you understand?
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before I got tired of him
blabbering, you know.
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and tells me, "Why don't
you shut the fuck up!"
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"I can't take this."
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you gonna have to either
apologize or something."
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he gets up out
of his chair.
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Hell, I'm gonna kill you."
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for the back door,
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handed him a gun.
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what am I gonna do now?"
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I'd brought my little
.22 derringer with me,
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for a second.
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police records,
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presented in the case
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as being armed with a knife.
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Carry on.
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to return fire.
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out of my pocket
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and went...
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like that, just "Pfft!"
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right between the...
mother and the fucker.
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and he said, "I'm sorry."
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he'd have said that earlier
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would have happened.
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like a damn kangaroo,
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to go with me,
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to my, uh, hiding place,
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gonna tell you
where it is.
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the night he was on the run.
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or kill somebody.
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"I just shot this guy."
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Is he dead?"
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"No, I just shot him
through the cheek."
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"What do I do?"
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at Papa Joe's
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through his community.
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and I flipped it over,
and it was Dale Watson.
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a singer, guitarist,
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and good friend
of Billy Joe's.
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"Billy, can I write
a song about this?"
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"What in the world?"
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And he said, "No.
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a song about it."
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I guess so, you know."
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Willie Nelson's third wife,
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a close personal friend
to Billy Joe.
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"Connie, I'm in big trouble."
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"Oh, God, Billy Joe."
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where's the gun now?"
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"It's in my pocket."
And I said, "Oh, God."
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convinced Billy Joe
to turn himself in.
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on a $50,000 bond
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to play a gig later
that night in Austin.
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What are you gonna do?
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so they indict him,
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and media circus in Waco.
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about five different lawyers,
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to plead guilty.
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legal legend, Dick DeGuerin.
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a very good lawyer,
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infamous defendants,
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former Congressman Tom DeLay
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also represented
Bobby Durst,
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the guy's head off
in, uh, Waco.
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co-best men
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wedding in Las Vegas.
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the guy who wrote
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from El Paso"
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On the Pillow (Where
Your Sweet Head Used to Be)."
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Dick DeGuerin, he says,
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a chicken's asshole."
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I was worried about in Waco.
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and very well known,
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Billy Joe supporters,
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Robert Duvall came to the trial,
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on his cell phone.
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are you gonna put Billy Joe
on the stand?"
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Willie, I've got to.
He's got to testify."
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you know you can't trust
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You never can tell
what he's gonna say."
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prosecutor said,
"Now, Mr. Shaver,
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from there, couldn't you?"
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Oh, no, you didn't." (laughs)
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in the trial where, again,
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was cross-examining.
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at me and said,
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'Where you want it?'"
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I said, "I didn't say that."
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"We know you did,
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old friend had memorialized
the shootout in a song,
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on the radio.
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"He's gonna go to prison.
Oh, my God."
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just sitting there, cringing,
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nothing I could do.
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to reach a verdict.
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The judge says,
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find the defendant,
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The courtroom
erupted in applause.
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makes millions of bucks
doing ridiculous cases
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are obviously guilty
and everybody knows it,
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Dick DeGuerin's finest hour.
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as saying he wanted
his bullet back.
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Billy Joe and it ended well,
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"Wacko From Waco."
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may live a charmed life,
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scot-free. No one does.
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to cancer,
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to an overdose.
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a heart attack on stage,
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his neck three times.
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at guy who's a poet,
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as close to the truth
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without sinking the ship.
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