1. My next guest is
the leader of a cause
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2. that I personally didn't
know existed.
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3. It's a fight
against masturbation.
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4. Ellen Favor is the president
and founder of CAM,
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5. or Christians
Against Masturbation.
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6. Ellen, welcome to the program.
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7. Thank you for having me.
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8. It's a pleasure to be here.
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9. Well, "pleasure," I believe
that is the issue here.
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10. Is that what
your group is against?
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11. Of course not.
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12. We believe God put us
on the earth to enjoy life
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he created for us.
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14. But why form a group against
something like this?
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15. Thank you for asking me that.
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16. I wouldn't be doing this
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17. if I didn't think
it was very important.
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18. But there are some people
who would say,
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19. come on,
it's just masturbation.
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20. I don't think of it
as just masturbation.
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21. Frankly, I think of it
as a tragedy.
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22. A tragedy?
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23. You mean like a tsunami
or Rwanda?
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24. Yes, I think it's that serious,
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25. because those events—
While certainly tragic—
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26. Affected only one region of
people in the world or another,
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27. while masturbation is a crime
against— Against God
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28. and against the person
who does it to themselves.
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29. Young people all over the world
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30. are depriving themselves
of the greatest gift
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upon them at their birth,
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32. their purity and grace
in his eyes.
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33. Well, that's—
That's very compelling.
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34. Let's bring in our next guest,
comedian Louis C.K.,
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35. who some might describe as an
aficionado of masturbation,
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36. a man who is well-known for
being a prolific masturbator,
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37. who even brags about it.
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38. Is that fair to say, Louie?
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39. Yeah, that's fair.
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40. In fact, you're the only
person we could find
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41. who would come here
to defend masturbation.
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42. and nobody gets hurt.
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43. Well, isn't that the point
here, Ellen?
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44. With all due respect, why
do you care what a man does
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45. in the privacy of
his own house?
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46. God cares.
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47. The Bible teaches us that lust
in your heart is a sin
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48. when acted upon outside
the context of marriage.
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49. Well, I'm not married,
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50. so anything I do is
outside of that context.
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51. I'm not against having sex.
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52. I believe that the lord
put desire in your heart
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53. as a beacon for love.
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54. It's the way that we can find
someone and marry them
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under his loving gaze.
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56. Wait a minute,
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57. you mean that God watches
married people have sex.
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58. Well, God watches over
everything.
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59. So we're like porn for God?
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60. He watches us and then
he probably masturbates.
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61. Okay, that is way
out of line, Mr. C.K.
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63. That's all right.
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so funny to you.
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66. Yeah, it's pretty funny.
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67. That's what's so sad.
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68. That you don't know
the darkness that you live in.
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69. Uh, no, I know the darkness.
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70. You don't have to
live this way.
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71. There is a life of joy and
passion waiting for you,
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72. if you just stop
hurting yourself.
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73. How can you tell people
not to masturbate?
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74. I mean, nobody can not do it.
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75. Since there's been people,
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Every single person, ever—
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77. Has masturbated.
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78. Napoleon masturbated,
Gandhi, Joan Jett,
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80. Shakespeare, definitely.
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81. It's like telling people
not to breathe.
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82. It's really—
It's not fair.
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83. I pity you,
that you think that,
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85. Have you ever tried?
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86. Tried not to masturbate?
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87. Yes.
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do it for, like, a week
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89. but that's just so that
when I do it again,
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90. it'll be way better.
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91. But what if you really stopped?
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92. What if you saved that
urge inside of you
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as something sacred?
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94. Until you meet the right
person and you love them
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95. and then you
get married to them,
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96. and then you can give that
to them
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cherished and you saved.
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98. That's beautiful.
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99. Have you ever been married?
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100. No.
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101. I was married for nine years,
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God was not smiling.
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103. And now you're alone.
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104. And you masturbate
and you're alone.
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105. You asked me, Louie,
"Have you ever been married?"
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106. Now I ask you, have you
ever been happy?
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108. So Ellen, how does your
group get the word out?
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109. Are there rallies?
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110. Where is the picket line
for this?
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111. Oh, no.
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112. We have meetings,
it's like a town hall.
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113. We bring people togather
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walk a path of purity.
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116. I'd be happy if you did.
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117. It sounds like
a lot of bullshit.
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118. Okay, we're ready to
wrap it up here.
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119. You know what really
pisses me off
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121. You think you can
tell other people
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122. like you've got the keys
to how to be happy.
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123. You know,
you don't know me, okay?
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124. And you don't know God.
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125. God probably hates
people like you
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other people what to do.
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127. Wow.
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128. Masturbating's really
important to you.
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129. Yeah, it is.
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130. It keeps me sane.
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131. I'm a good citizen,
I'm a good father,
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132. I recycle and I masturbate.
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133. And I'm proud of it.
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134. And God's happy.
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135. And later, I'm gonna masturbate
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136. and I'm gonna think about you
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137. and there's nothing
you can do about it.
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138. I hope you do think about me.
Uh-huh.
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139. I hope you think about
what I said,
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140. that's exactly what I want.
Yeah.
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141. Okay, well, that concludes
our show for today.
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142. Thank you both for coming
and thank you for joining us,
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143. and from our studio
to your home,
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144. we bid you a fond good night.
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145. Hey.
Hey.
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146. Listen, I'm sorry, I—
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147. I meant what I said in there.
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148. You should come to a meeting.
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149. You don't want me there.
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150. No, I really do.
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151. Come on.
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152. You can dismiss it or mock it.
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153. Just give it a try.
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154. Are you being serious?
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155. I'm serious.
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about your soul.
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157. You know,
it's really sad about men
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158. that we can't have a beautiful
thought about a woman
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a disgusting thought
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160. about that same woman.
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161. We're not capable of it.
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162. We can't do one
without the other.
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163. If you're a woman and
a guy's ever said
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the second part
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166. that would have made you sick
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167. if you could have heard it.
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168. That's how our brains work.
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169. "She's an angel...
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170. and I want her to
drown in my cum."
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171. That's the closest we can get
to poetry in our hearts.
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172. We love you, we really do.
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173. We think you're angels,
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174. and we want you to
drown in our cum.
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175. We want to drench your angel
wings that carry you to heaven
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176. with our sticky, gooey,
disgusting jism.
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177. That's what we want!
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178. I'm sorr— It's just
the way we are.
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180. Thank you.
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181. It's no problem.
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182. Just had to stick my arm out.
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185. Um...
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help me out with this?
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187. With that?
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188. Yeah, with this.
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189. What seems to be the problem?
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190. It's just that there's,
like, zero dicks in there.
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191. Zero dicks?
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192. Yeah.
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193. There are, like,
no dicks in there.
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195. Can you, like, help me out?
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196. Can you, just like, stick a
whole bag of dicks in there?
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197. A bag of dicks?
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198. Yeah, that would be so great.
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right there.
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200. Ugh.
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put these in there?
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202. Um, yeah.
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and put it—
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204. Well, can you, just like,
shove the whole bag in there?
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210. You trying to put the whole
bag of dick in there?
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212. There is no room.
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214. American women
are very complicated.
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215. Don't be ashamed
to live without shame.
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216. Just remember to keep
your body pure
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217. so that the Lord can enter it.
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218. So...
Hey.
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219. What'd you think?
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224. Yeah, sure.
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227. I mean, this is weird.
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and I'm, you know.
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that if you knew them,
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has to know how to
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doesn't he?
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that's when I'm trying to—
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242. Yeah, so, you kind of
need that incentive
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243. to bring out the charm.
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you're trying to...
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I am very seriously a virgin.
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dumb, but I think it's—
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254. Well, losing your virginity
is supposed to be
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stupid, silly moment
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this big, grown-up thing.
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and it was my girlfriend.
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that we did, she—
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267. Well, she—
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had ever touched my penis
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270. and she was being all
high school
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272. and it was so intense
that when I—
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it was with such force,
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and she's laughing.
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my whole life sexually,
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come up to my suite?
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kind of sick of being out.
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283. Yeah, suite?
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285. They pay you well to be a
not-coming person, huh?
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286. You get suites?
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287. All right,
let's go to your suite.
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289. Sure.
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290. So how did you get to
be a Christian?
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291. Oh, well, I was born one.
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294. Well, they're God's children
too and Christ loves them.
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accepting and try to under—
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that one was gonna work.
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so you went to take it.
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304. I mean, my odds
were pretty low here,
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then I'd be smart.
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you to be with me,
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312. Yeah, why not?
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something better
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and you could tell
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didn't try to kiss me
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got to know each other?
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322. I mean, a kiss would
stop that cold.
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don't try to kiss me,
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and say good night,
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see each other again.
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326. And keep talking, and still,
you don't try to kiss me.
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To really like each other.
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329. But we might kiss,
but we don't make out,
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part of my body,
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331. and maybe love would grow.
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332. We'd—
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hear each other's voices.
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in my undergarments,
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any part of me.
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for the first time.
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and everything
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is with us and blesses us.
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and every time after
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and so free.
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like that,
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no shame, there's no fear,
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yourself in a woman
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you and your body,
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touching, being close,
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news headlines.
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people were slaughtered
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tried to escape
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into that sole African nation.
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heads off of their victims
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their corpses
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over the faces of their children.
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that such attacks have taken place.
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been brutally murdered...
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Infested river...
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to millions in the region...
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