1. In the
criminal justice system,
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2. the people are represented
by two separate yet equally important groups,
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3. the police who
investigate crime
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4. and the district attorneys
who prosecute the offenders.
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5. These are their stories.
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6. Hey, what's taking Mike?
His dessert's getting wasted.
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7. Maybe he fell in.
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8. It looks delicious now. Hey, easy.
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9. Hey! You said it
was getting wasted.
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10. He said it's Mike's.
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11. Mike?
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12. Mike?
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13. Mike?
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14. Andy, Paul,
I'm in here. I'm okay.
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15. The moron missed me.
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16. Let's get the hell
out of here.
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17. Go. Go.
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18. Milton Garner,
37-year-old camera repairman.
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19. His wife's out front.
Poor woman's all shook up.
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20. Some lady saw him walking in
just as the shooting began.
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21. Excuse me.
Do you mind?
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22. This lock get busted
in the shooting?
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23. We broke it to get
at the second victim.
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24. Leon Mayer, 54,
he's a doctor from Seattle.
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25. Now he's at Hudson E.R.
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26. Good luck to him.
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27. He's unconscious.
He's got three slugs in him.
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28. And three holes
in the door.
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29. That's impressive shooting.
Was anybody else in here with them?
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30. All right, these two guys,
they were at table 14,
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31. and they came
running by with guns. I figured them for cops.
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32. Their friend was
in the second stall.
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33. The one next to
the wounded guy.
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34. Looked pretty scared.
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35. Where'd they go?
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36. Oh, they went right
out the front.
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37. Where does that door lead?
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38. That's 47th Street.
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39. You got someone
canvassing out there?
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40. Okay, the shooter
probably went out there.
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41. Then, Mark here,
says he saw two guys run into the john,
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42. then three run out.
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43. They say anything?
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44. The third guy,
the one that they'd gotten out of the stall,
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45. I think he said that
the moron missed him.
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46. Okay, Mark, do me a favor,
you wait up front,
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47. then we're going
to take you down to the station,
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48. put you with
a sketch artist, all right?
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49. All right.
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50. Sounds to me like a hit.
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51. And a miss.
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52. This is a disaster.
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53. This party of three
at table 14, we're going to need a name.
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54. Party of six. Three couples.
There was no reservation.
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55. Really? The busboy said
you had a full house.
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56. We did.
But they insisted.
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57. Someone slipped
you a $20?
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58. A $50. We've been
reviewed in the Times.
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59. Anybody come in
after them?
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60. No.
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61. Did you see them talking
to any of the other patrons?
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62. Not that I noticed.
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63. Oh, uh...
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64. One of the ladies
gave me a card.
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65. She fancied herself
a wine expert.
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66. She ordered
the Cabaret Sauvignon.
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67. Can you imagine?
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68. How gauche.
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69. Gayle Landis,
sales representative, Wines Aplenty.
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70. She said she works
for them part-time.
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71. Wine in a bag.
Unbelievable.
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72. The guys seemed nice.
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73. Considering I think
they were ex-cons,
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74. which normally
doesn't bother me much.
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75. I mean, people make
mistakes, right?
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76. Right. Who were they?
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77. Jerks.
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78. Maybe I'm old-fashioned,
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79. but if you heard shooting,
would you ditch your date?
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80. He wouldn't.
Uh, these jerks have names?
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81. Andy, Paul and Mike.
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82. That's all I got.
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83. I never seen them
before last night,
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84. and I don't expect to
ever see them again.
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85. Which one was
in the restroom?
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86. Mike.
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87. What does Mike do?
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88. Professional stamp licker.
I don't know.
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89. He had his tongue
in Jen's ear most of the night.
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90. So how'd you hook up
with the Three Stooges?
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91. Jen. She said they were
friends of her husband, Kenny.
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92. Maybe we better
talk to Kenny.
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93. He's easy to find.
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94. He's in Altona
doing three-to-six for armed robbery.
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95. Gayle's wrong.
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96. You're cheating
on your husband with a guy somebody tried to kill.
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97. We understand
how you'd be scared to talk to us.
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98. I wasn't there.
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99. Why would Gayle lie?
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100. Out of habit.
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101. Did she happen to tell you
she was in Catsonce?
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102. Maybe we should ask Kenny
what he thinks of his wife
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103. getting the wax
sucked out of her ear by his buddy Mike.
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104. Go ahead and ask him.
He knows it's just a bunch of lies.
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105. He doesn't know any Mike,
and I don't either.
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106. So, you want to
take a trip to Altona?
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107. And get lied to
by a pro?
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108. If Kenny got wind
of Jenny and Mike,
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109. maybe he had one of
his known associates take care of things.
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110. Monday would have been
our fifth anniversary,
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111. but we couldn't get
a sitter for then...
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112. So we figured
we'd celebrate early.
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113. Why would anyone
want to hurt Milton?
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114. We think he was simply
in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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115. We were eating dinner
in a nice restaurant in a safe neighborhood.
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116. We're doing all we can.
We're very sorry for your loss.
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117. I have to pick up
our son at daycare.
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118. What's happening
with the other victim, Dr. Mayer?
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119. Still unconscious
and not getting better.
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120. His family been notified?
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121. His home number's
unlisted,
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122. but we got his address
off his driver's license.
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123. Seattle PD's going
to send a car over to ring his doorbell.
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124. Didn't he have
a credit card?
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125. Yeah. His billing address
is his work.
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126. I left a message on his
machine at his office.
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127. Maybe by Monday,
somebody will call us back.
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128. Where was he
staying in town?
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129. He had a hotel key card,
but the hotel's name isn't on the card.
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130. Okay. Should I switch
to easy questions?
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131. Well, we know what caliber
he was shot with.
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132. Hospital pulled three
.38 slugs out of him.
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133. Kenneth Felker's sheet.
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134. The guy he pulled
the stick-up with, Michael Thompson.
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135. Mike.
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136. Felker's still in,
Thompson's already out?
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137. Oh, it pays to
rat out your friends.
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138. He rolled on Felker
and cut himself a deal.
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139. So, I guess Mike
was in a hurry to console Felker's wife.
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140. Get with his P.O.
for a current address.
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141. I don't know what
you're talking about.
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142. Forget
about it, Mike.
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143. We passed your picture
around the restaurant.
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144. Four people made you.
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145. So why did you
take off?
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146. What we hear,
someone was trying to whack you.
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147. I didn't want to get violated
'cause I'm eating with the wrong people.
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148. You're going to
get violated now if you don't start talking.
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149. So, who was this
moron throwing shots?
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150. Willie. Willie Felker.
Kenny's brother.
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151. He found out about
me and Jen.
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152. We had some words
a few days back.
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153. Those words include,
"I'm going to kill you"?
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154. Yeah.
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155. So what happened
at the restaurant?
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156. I'm sitting on the john,
minding my business.
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157. People come in, they go out.
Then I hear a gun cock.
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158. So, right away,
I pull my feet up.
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159. Then it's like
a shooting gallery.
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160. I heard the guy next
to me getting popped.
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161. How did you know it
was Kenny's brother? You saw him?
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162. Oh, yeah. I just stuck
my head right out
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163. and said
"Is that you, Willie?"
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164. How did this guy know
you were going to be at that restaurant?
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165. He didn't.
He followed me.
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166. You sure? He had to.
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167. Unless the brother
is Kreskin,
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been waiting for them
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169. if they didn't know
where they were going.
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170. Could have waited outside
till he saw Mike head for the john. Curtis.
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171. They were stuffing
themselves for an hour.
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172. Somebody would've noticed him
hanging around.
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173. Yeah. Thanks.
It's Profaci.
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174. Hospital just called.
Mayer just took a turn for the worse.
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175. May be our last chance
to talk to him.
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176. He won't be able to
talk for a few days.
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177. We had to open him up again.
But he's stable for now.
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178. What happened?
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179. Pulmonary embolism.
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180. Once we got inside,
we figured out why.
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181. We missed a bullet
the first time around.
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182. You missed a bullet?
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183. What can I tell you.
It didn't show up in the X-rays.
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184. So that makes four bullets
you took out of him?
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185. That's right.
I hope we have them all now.
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186. There were only three holes
in the door of the stall.
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187. Yeah.
The door that was locked.
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188. So, Mayer must
have taken a bullet
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189. before he could
get it closed.
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190. So, if the door was open
when the shooting started,
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191. the perp had to see
who he was shooting at.
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192. Mayer was the target,
not Mike.
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193. Good news for Mike.
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194. We got Dr. Mayer's
personal effects here.
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195. Breath spray.
Breath mints. Maybe he had a date.
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196. Here. Check his
wallet for rubbers.
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197. You think his date
shot him?
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198. Or whoever he came
to town to see.
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199. Picture of his kids.
No wife.
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200. Probably divorced.
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201. Seattle PD said they
didn't get an answer when they rang his doorbell.
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202. Restaurant receipts.
Modo Mio in LA Monday night.
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203. Receipt for magazines.
O'Hare Airport Wednesday.
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204. Another restaurant
in Atlanta Thursday night.
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205. Must have had
a hell of a practice.
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206. Rent. Friday night.
$75 ticket. You think he went by himself?
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207. Well, he had dinner
by himself.
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208. Maybe his date
got a headache.
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209. September 14th.
Row what?
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210. "G". Seat 14.
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scalping tickets?
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212. No.
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214. Homicide.
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215. Really?
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going to die.
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218. Sure.
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219. The ticket was
bought as a single by Leon Mayer.
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220. Is that the guy
who was homicided?
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221. No. Did Mr. Mayer
call the order in?
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222. No. The concierge at
his hotel would have.
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223. The ticket's part of a block
we put aside for some hotels.
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224. They're mainly singles,
real tough to unload.
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225. Which hotel?
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226. The Hampstead.
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227. He checked in
Friday morning.
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228. Housekeeping doesn't think
the room's been slept in.
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229. You booked his
theater ticket? Yes.
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he was in town?
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231. No. We just talked
about musicals.
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232. He said that he'd
seen Yul Brynner in The King and Iin 1964.
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233. Well, it's just
clothing and toiletries.
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234. No address book.
No appointment book.
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his hard drive.
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240. Did he get
any messages? No.
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notation mean?
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242. The room's been prepaid
by Phillips and Schulman.
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243. It's a law firm.
They often put people up here.
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244. He's an expert witness,
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245. forensic psychologist.
One of the best in his field.
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246. He was due in court
after lunch today.
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247. Yeah? What case?
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248. People v. Worley.
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249. The guy who ran
over his girlfriend?
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250. Dr. Mayer was
going to testify
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251. my client isn't responsible
for murdering the girl he murdered.
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252. Oh, one of those
expert witnesses, huh?
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253. And I thought Mayer
was being paranoid.
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254. What are you
talking about?
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255. He was pissed we made
the hotel reservation under his real name.
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256. He always checks in
under a pseudonym.
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257. This is going
to be a lawsuit.
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258. I know it.
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259. Worley. Didn't he
crush his girlfriend against a wall with a car?
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260. Yeah. A '54 Studebaker.
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261. Mayer was the hired gun
to convince a jury Worley's a mental defect.
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262. I'm convinced.
Guy purposely messed up a vintage automobile.
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263. So Mayer was shot by
an antique car collector?
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264. Or by the
girl's brother.
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265. Lawyer said he
attacked Worley at his arraignment.
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266. Well, see where this hot-head
had dinner Friday night.
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267. I begged Lisa
to get away from him.
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268. She finally told
him to get lost, the bastard killed her.
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269. So, what? You went to
court to kick his ass?
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270. Seeing his smug face,
it seemed like the right thing to do.
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271. Where were you
Friday night?
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272. At home with my wife,
my kids and my mother.
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273. She's staying with us
during the trial.
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274. Must be tough,
thinking this guy might get off on an insanity plea.
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275. Mayer made a career
out of this theory of his,
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277. He says Worley snapped
and went into a trance.
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278. It's a joke.
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279. Big break he won't be
able to testify, huh?
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280. It's funny how things
work out, huh?
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281. But I had nothing
to do with it.
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282. Try the families of
the 200-plus victims his clients have killed.
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283. Sorry.
I've never seen him before.
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284. None of the busboys
or waiters...
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285. No. They don't
remember him, either.
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286. I wish I could help.
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287. That pretzel guy,
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288. is he a regular
around here?
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289. Day and night.
I can't get rid of him.
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290. Sometimes we can smell
those disgusting things
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in the restaurant.
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292. Well, thanks.
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293. So, the shooter
comes out the side door, maybe he ran by this guy.
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294. Yeah. So, what do you say
we have some lunch?
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295. Hey! How are you
doing? Police.
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296. I have a permit at home.
The boss won't sign for renewals.
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297. Relax.
We're not the pretzel police. Let me have an extra salty.
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298. Yes, sir.
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299. So, last Friday night,
you here for all the excitement?
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300. Excitement? Yeah.
The shooting inside.
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301. Oh, yes. Yes.
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302. I don't know what
the guy's talking about.
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303. These are pretty good. Thank you.
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304. So, did the police officers
take your statement?
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305. Oh, no. When cops are coming,
I'm going. Quickly.
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306. Did you see this guy
run out the side door?
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307. Nobody comes out
from that door.
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308. Nobody? You sure?
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309. Yes. If people
come out, I see them.
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310. So, nobody saw the
shooter leave through the dining room.
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311. He had to go
out the side.
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312. Unless he ducked in here.
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313. Oh, sorry.
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314. There were interviews
with two women who were in the can
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I think they would've noticed.
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316. Not if he was a she.
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317. The poor man
who was killed?
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318. He was right
in front of me.
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319. Walked into the men's room
just as the shots were fired.
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320. So, what did you do?
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321. Ran into the ladies' room
and stayed there.
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322. I was terrified.
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323. Anybody in there
with you?
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324. One other woman.
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325. She came out of a stall
and asked what was going on.
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326. And then another
woman ran in.
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327. How soon after you
did she come in?
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329. We heard a commotion
in the hallway,
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until the waiter said it was safe to come out.
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331. What happened to
the third woman?
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332. Don't know.
It was very confused.
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334. Yes.
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335. Ann Taylor
knock-off pantsuit, wannabe Prada pumps
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336. and a leatherette copy
of a Coach portfolio bag in black.
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337. Very tacky. What did she look like?
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338. Oh! She was about 5'7",
light brown hair, bangs.
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339. I noticed her earlier
eating alone.
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340. Why? Because of
the tacky outfit?
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341. I noticed the man
in the Zegna suit who tried to pick her up.
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342. He and another man
were at the table next to me and my husband.
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343. It wasn't hard,
Mr. Patterson.
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344. We traced your pal
from his credit card,
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345. and he gave us your name.
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346. I better be careful.
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347. Wouldn't want my fiancée
to get the wrong idea.
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348. What idea is she
supposed to get?
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349. It was a gag.
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350. My buddy bet me
I couldn't have dessert with the lady.
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351. Did you get as far
as exchanging numbers?
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352. Not even a first name.
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353. Said she was busy and
pulled out some work.
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354. Really.
Didn't want to talk to me.
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355. What kind of work?
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356. Looked like party planning,
promotions, that kind of thing.
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357. Funmakers. That was
the name on the book.
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358. We're gonna need
your help with a sketch.
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359. I got to get
back to work.
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360. We'd really
appreciate it, Hal.
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361. And so would
your fiancée.
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362. It looks
like Lindsay Carson, but it's not very flattering.
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363. What does she do here?
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364. She's a freelance coordinator,
handles corporate events.
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365. Do you know
where we can find her?
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366. Oh, let's see.
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367. She's in Chicago
at a convention, and she'll be back tomorrow.
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368. Is she in trouble?
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369. We just want
to talk to her.
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370. Did she ever mention
if anybody in her family
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371. had been the victim
of a serious crime?
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372. No.
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373. I don't really
know her very well.
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374. She's only been
working for us a few months.
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375. She's not a talker.
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376. Do you know if she's
from around this area?
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377. I don't think so.
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378. Maury hired her.
He read her resume,
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379. but he's in Pittsburgh
till Monday.
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380. Can we take a look
at that resume?
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381. You don't know
Maury's filing system.
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382. Mayer's office
faxed it over.
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383. It's a list of all the cases
the good doctor testified in,
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384. including the names
of the victims. None of them named Carson.
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385. That would be too easy.
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386. Dr. Mayer's been busy.
There must be over 100 cases here.
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387. One hundred
and thirty-two.
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388. What's his batting
average?
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389. Forty-three acquittals
by reason of mental defect.
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390. The doctor let these killers
walk into a padded cell.
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391. And then they
walked home.
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392. Okay. According to the
state employment records,
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393. Lindsay Carson
worked in Albany
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394. for six years
before moving here.
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395. Albany? Dr. Mayer worked
a case in Albany.
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396. People v. Rigg.
Double homicide.
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397. The victims were Robert Kort
and Kathy Morris.
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398. My back was to the door.
I don't remember after that.
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399. I never saw who it was.
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400. Do you get
a lot of threats in your line of work?
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401. I mean,
setting killers free?
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402. Nobody goes free.
They get treatment.
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403. But anonymous calls
and letters.
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404. I've been doing this
over 20 years.
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405. The name Lindsay Carson
mean anything to you?
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407. No. Who is she?
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408. She's from Albany.
You had a case up there a couple of years ago.
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409. People v. Rigg.
Guy killed two people.
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410. Yes. His boss
and a co-worker.
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411. He'd been fired.
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412. Being a defense witness,
you must have been very popular.
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413. People get emotional.
That's why I'm careful,
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414. but there's no reason
anybody in Albany would hold a grudge.
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415. How's that?
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416. The jury found Rigg guilty.
Life without parole.
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417. Thanks.
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418. Oh, Doctor, one more thing.
What's your fee?
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419. $30,000 to $60,000.
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420. If I was Rigg,
I'd ask for a refund.
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421. Rigg is in Attica.
Guess who was on his guest list?
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422. Lindsay Rigg Carson.
His daughter?
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423. We make her 10 feet
from the scene
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424. five seconds after
the shooting stops.
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425. That's 10 feet too far
and five seconds too late for an arrest warrant.
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426. Even if you talk
to Judge Siedenburg?
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427. He's in the hospital.
Gallstones.
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428. I could talk to Judge Flores.
Search warrant good enough?
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429. I need you to open
the storage room for this detective. All right?
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430. Rey! Get a look at this.
It was under the bed.
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431. Court TV,
Mayer testifying at her father's trial.
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432. Mayer testifying
in Florida, in LA.
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433. Without Reason
by Dr. Leon Mayer.
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434. Looks like she has
the complete works.
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435. Yeah. Plus a bunch of
newspaper clippings of Mayer.
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436. Only thing missing
is the doll with the pins in it.
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437. I'd rather have the gun.
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438. Take a look at this.
Must be Rigg.
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439. What are you
doing to my home?
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440. You can't just come in
here like this.
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441. Ms. Carson, we have
a search warrant.
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442. I don't care.
That's my property.
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443. Yeah. Well, now
it's evidence.
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444. But if you want to make sure
we don't lose it,
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445. you're welcome to
come along with us.
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446. Once we're done,
you can leave and take this stuff back with you.
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447. I guess I don't
have a choice.
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448. Then if you don't mind.
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449. We have to check
and make sure
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450. you're not carrying
anything dangerous, like a hatpin.
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451. Officer, you want
to escort her, please.
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452. Miss?
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453. I told you,
I don't know where I was on Friday night.
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454. I've been working
very hard.
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455. So, you really don't remember
where you ate dinner?
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456. Why is that
so important?
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457. People saw you at
the Trident Restaurant
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458. on 9th Avenue
around midnight.
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459. It's a mistake.
I never eat that late.
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460. Funny thing is,
that's the same time two people got shot there.
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461. One of them was killed.
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462. And the other one
seems to be a hobby of yours.
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463. Dr. Mayer?
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464. What? You think
I shot him?
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465. It sure looks like
you got a problem with him.
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466. What, you blame him for
your father's conviction?
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467. Oh, I get it. My father got
railroaded for murder, now it's my turn.
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468. This girl's going
to be a lot of fun.
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469. She's been here
almost an hour
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470. and she hasn't
been Mirandized?
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471. We told her she can leave
whenever she wants.
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472. I'd like to keep
her talking.
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473. I'd like to be sure
whatever she does say, we can use.
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474. Lieutenant.
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475. Ms. Carson,
I'm Lieutenant Van Buren.
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476. I'd like you to
clear up a few points.
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477. Do you own a gun? No.
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478. Have you been in
possession of one?
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479. No, of course not.
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480. Have you fired one at
a shooting range recently?
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481. No.
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482. Then maybe you can
explain why our lab
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483. found traces of gunpowder
in your portfolio.
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484. I've answered
enough questions. I'm leaving now.
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485. I want my portfolio back,
and I'm taking these with me.
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486. I'm afraid that's
not possible.
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487. I'm not leaving
without them.
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488. You're not leaving.
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489. Please, put those down.
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490. You're being
arrested for murder and attempted murder.
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491. What? You have the right
to remain silent.
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492. Anything you say
can be used in a court of law.
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493. You have the right
to an attorney. If you can't afford...
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494. This material
serves only one purpose,
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495. to make my client look like
a blue ribbon lunatic.
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496. If the shoe fits.
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497. It's just research.
My father needed an expert.
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498. Ms. Powell, would you
instruct your client?
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499. Yes, Your Honor.
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500. Ms. Carson assembled
these clippings on the doctor
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501. when she was
thinking of hiring him in her father's defense.
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502. And her client went
right on clipping
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503. long after her
father's trial was over.
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504. What was she
researching then?
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505. She had an interest
in Dr. Mayer.
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506. It doesn't mean she
wanted to kill him.
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507. It's for a jury to decide
what she wanted.
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508. I'm going to allow
this material, Ms. Powell.
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509. Now for the other
part of your motion about the gunpowder residue?
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510. They had a premises warrant
for the apartment.
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511. Ms. Carson was in
the building hallway
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512. when they searched
her portfolio.
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513. The defendant voluntarily
handed it to the officers.
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514. They took it from me.
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515. What did they tell you?
Their exact words?
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516. They told me because
I was going to ride with them to the station,
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517. they had to
check my portfolio for anything dangerous.
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518. Assuming even
a temporary seizure was legitimate,
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519. People v. Clements
allows only an inventory of the contents,
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520. not a chemical analysis.
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521. The gunpowder residue
was apparent to the officers.
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522. How? Were these
canine officers?
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523. The police have
every right to...
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524. To check for weapons
for their own safety.
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525. They don't need
a microscope to do that.
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526. The gunpowder is out.
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527. Then, Your Honor,
I move to dismiss the charges.
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528. The People have
no direct evidence.
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529. We can still place her
in the ladies' room right after the shooting.
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530. Come back when
you can place her in the men's room.
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531. The motion is granted.
Charges are dismissed.
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532. Don't these cops know,
you got a premises warrant,
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533. you bring the suspect
into the premises you want to search her.
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534. And procedure tells them
to keep a suspect
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535. outside the premises
they're searching.
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536. This wasn't their fault.
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537. Of course not.
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538. I hope somebody's
putting this case back together.
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539. The police are pulling
her travel records, phone records,
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540. if she stalked Mayer,
she might've left tracks.
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541. What does the doctor say?
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542. He doesn't remember
Carson or the shooting.
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543. He'd just gotten
out of the ICU when the police talked to him.
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544. How's he feeling now?
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545. I told the police.
I never heard of Lindsay Carson.
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546. You say she kept
a file on me?
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547. Apparently she blames
you for her father going to prison.
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548. She said he was railroaded.
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549. Look, I did everything
I could for Mr. Rigg.
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550. The jury was
out for blood.
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551. I can understand
their feelings. He executed two people.
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552. He was dissociative.
He had no idea what he was doing.
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553. After he was fired,
he had what I describe as a psychic overload.
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554. If you say so.
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555. Have you even
read the case?
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556. Arthur Rigg had
been an employee
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557. of Pine Mountain Fabricating
for 18 years.
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558. He was fired on
a Friday after his shift. He snapped.
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559. He took a.38 out
of his glove box,
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560. and he shot his boss
and his boss's secretary in a parking lot.
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561. He didn't remember anything
for the next two days.
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562. That's classic
dissociative behavior.
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563. Rigg used a.38?
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564. Lindsay Carson shot you
with the same caliber gun.
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565. Not surprising.
It's symbolic.
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566. Or just practical.
Do you know if the gun was ever recovered?
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567. Because Rigg still
has appeals pending,
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568. Albany police wouldn't release
the actual slugs Rigg used.
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569. They sent macro photos.
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570. Will they do?
I can make a phone call. They're fine.
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571. I checked them
against your slugs from Mayer and Garner.
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572. The good news is,
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573. same number of
lands and grooves, same pitch.
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574. They were fired
from the same gun.
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575. The bad news is,
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576. the slugs from
the restaurant have too many secondary marks.
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577. Three went through
a metal door.
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578. Two were dug out of the wall,
and the sixth struck bone.
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579. So, I put you on
the stand and...
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580. I'd have to say
the match was 60%.
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581. You get me the gun,
we're in business.
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582. That's not likely.
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583. She shot Mayer
with her father's gun?
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584. Freud must be
having a good laugh.
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585. Unless we prove it,
so will Lindsay Carson.
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586. Her father must know
where that gun ended up two years ago.
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587. According to Mayer,
Rigg went blank
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588. for two days
after the shooting.
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589. Well, maybe we can
jog his memory.
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590. Who was the riding
A.D.A. in Albany?
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591. A deal for Arthur Rigg?
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592. What I'm asking
isn't unreasonable.
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593. If he cooperates with us,
you give him a shot at parole
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594. after 25 years.
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595. If he lives that long.
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596. He's lucky
he lived this long.
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597. I asked for
the death penalty.
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598. Robert Kort had four kids.
Kathy Morris was seven weeks pregnant.
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599. Rigg has a history of
drinking and brawling.
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600. As far as my
constituents are concerned, I lost that case.
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601. What will your
constituents think
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602. if you let another
killer walk free?
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603. That case is your problem.
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604. It wouldn't be
anybody's problem
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605. if your cops had
found Rigg's gun.
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606. That's hardly
a fair assessment.
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607. Lindsay Carson would've
found another gun to do the job.
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608. By the time we're through,
the media won't care about fairness.
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609. Especially if
Rigg gets anywhere with his appeals.
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610. He's already lost
his direct appeal.
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611. And now he's writing
his own briefs.
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612. Have you seen
Acevedo v. US?
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613. For a jailhouse lawyer,
Rigg isn't bad.
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614. If a judge ever gets around
to reading his brief, he might just prevail.
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615. Ms. Solvan,
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616. if we convict Lindsay Carson,
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617. there's nothing I'd like more
than to give the credit
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618. to the Albany County
District Attorney's office.
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619. I was finished with
this case a year ago.
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620. When I ran out of money.
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621. I did the trial.
I did the direct appeal.
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622. That's all I was
required to do.
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623. Now I drive all
the way from Albany to listen to this?
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624. We're prepared
to drop murder one
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625. down to murder two
against his daughter,
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626. and we're giving your client
an opportunity you haven't been able to offer.
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627. An opportunity to
sell out his daughter
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628. for a chance at
parole in 23 years?
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629. He's got a better shot
claiming I screwed up.
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630. I read your brief.
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631. I wouldn't pack
your suitcase just yet.
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632. Maybe you haven't
read Acevedo v. US down in New York.
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633. You should give
the dissent a closer read.
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634. You're here to
stay, Mr. Rigg.
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635. You tell us how your daughter
ended up with your gun,
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636. you get a chance at parole.
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637. Parole after 15 years?
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638. You're lucky to
get any offer at all.
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639. I wouldn't wish
this life on anybody.
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640. Especially my own kid.
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641. Even if I could
answer your questions, I wouldn't.
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642. You can all go to hell.
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643. Guard!
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644. Well, it was worth a shot.
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645. Niagara Falls is
45 minutes away. You ever been?
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646. When I was nine,
my brothers tried to push me in.
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647. Maybe we don't need Rigg
to connect her to the gun.
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648. If Albany Homicide
couldn't find the gun...
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649. They don't know what we know.
They tracked Rigg, not his daughter.
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650. Monday, May 7.
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651. County jail records have
Lindsay visiting her father
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652. six hours after
he surrendered.
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653. What time Monday?
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654. 3:30 in the afternoon.
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655. Well, her work has
her checking out
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656. Monday at 1:00
in the afternoon,
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657. and she didn't come back in
until Tuesday afternoon.
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658. Monday, May 7?
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659. Wherever she went,
she had a full tank of gas.
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660. $18 worth,
Monday, in Albany.
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661. I wonder what else
she charged?
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662. Tuesday,
Yellow Shutters Motel. Binghamton, New York. $2.50.
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663. Must be an incidental charge.
Phone call maybe.
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664. She probably paid
for the room in cash.
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665. So, after she
talked to her father in the lock-up in Albany,
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666. right away she
jumps in her car
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667. and drives two hours
to Binghamton.
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668. You guys want to check out
the accommodations
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669. at the Yellow Shutters Motel?
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670. We'll break out
our thermals.
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671. Here it is. May 7.
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672. Lindsay Carson.
Room 103. New York tags.
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673. Charge was for a phone call.
Must've been posted after she checked out.
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674. You have those
phone records?
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675. From two years ago?
We get rid of that stuff after a year.
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676. Weird though.
We were pretty empty that night.
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677. I don't know why
they stuck her in 103.
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678. It's right beside
the kitchen.
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679. Maybe she asked for it?
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680. Who used the room
the night before?
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681. Oh, here we go.
Gerald Foster.
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682. Him I remember.
Almost had to call the cops.
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683. Borrowed a screwdriver
from me.
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684. Then he nearly took
my eye out with it.
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685. How come?
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686. I wanted a deposit
on the screwdriver, in case he lost it.
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687. The guy just
went off on me.
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688. You get his license tags?
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689. Foster said he
needed the screwdriver to fix his car.
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690. After the Carson lady
checked out, I come to find out, uh,
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691. the space heater in
the room got broken.
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692. I think Foster tried
to take it apart.
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693. Lennie, it was Rigg's car.
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694. You going to
keep arresting her
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695. until you find a judge
stupid enough to let you get away with it?
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696. We've got her
at the scene.
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697. We've got a decent
ballistics match.
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698. To what?
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699. To a gun she didn't
have access to?
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700. You mean the gun she removed
from the space heater
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701. of room 103 at
the Yellow Shutters Motel two years ago?
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702. What's your evidence?
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703. A registration book
which shows your client
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704. and her father
stayed in the same room on consecutive nights.
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705. Another coincidence?
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706. The way they keep piling up,
it's enough to bury her.
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707. Not if you expect
a jury to vote on a capital charge.
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708. We'll argue inevitable
discovery, and get the gunpowder back in.
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709. You have an offer?
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710. Murder two.
Assault one. 25-to-life.
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711. Give us a day?
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712. It's still a mystery
why she chose to wreak her vengeance on Mayer.
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713. In my book,
her father's lawyer is a better candidate.
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714. Better a doctor
than a fellow attorney.
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715. We got Carson's answer.
She wants to change her plea.
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716. Not guilty by reason of
mental disease or defect.
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717. She's claiming
she was dissociative when she shot Mayer.
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718. Her father's defense.
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719. Maybe it's genetic.
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720. I don't remember anything.
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721. DR. Nothing?
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722. Mmm-mmm.
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723. Ms. Carson, the court
ordered you to answer all my questions honestly.
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724. I don't remember
where I went,
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725. how I got there
or what I did.
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726. I don't remember anything
till I woke up the next morning.
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727. What's the last thing
you do remember?
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728. I found out where
Mayer was staying, and I went to talk to him.
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729. With a gun?
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730. Mmm.
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731. The city's dangerous.
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732. I saw him outside
his hotel.
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733. And I don't remember
anything after that.
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734. You were very interested
in Dr. Mayer.
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735. Hmm.
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736. Because of him,
my father will be in prison the rest of his life.
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737. What did Dr. Mayer do?
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738. He screwed up.
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739. He got to Albany
three hours before he was supposed to testify.
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740. He only spent half an hour
examining my father,
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741. and on the stand
he confused him
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742. with another one
of his patients,
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743. and we mortgaged
the house to pay him.
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744. He was supposed
to save my father.
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745. How?
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746. By convincing
the jury that he didn't know what he was doing.
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747. It wasn't his fault.
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748. Just like this
wasn't your fault?
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749. My father is
a very good person.
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750. He is. He just snapped.
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751. He had worked so
hard for those people, and they just threw him away.
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752. If only the jury knew
what my father was really like.
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753. And it was
Dr. Mayer's job to tell them.
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754. What did you feel
when you knew he was coming to town?
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755. I don't know.
I just went numb.
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756. Mr. Rigg retained me
two days before the trial.
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757. They expected miracles.
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758. She's absolutely convinced
her father's not responsible.
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759. I don't care
what her beef is.
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760. Do you buy this
as a defense?
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761. Dissociation disorder?
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762. Even if I accepted
it as a legal defense,
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763. the symptoms are
too easy to mimic.
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764. How do you prove or
disprove memory loss?
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765. No offense, Dr. Skoda,
but this isn't your area of expertise.
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766. I mean, as much as
I wish it weren't so,
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767. Ms. Carson meets
all the criteria for dissociation.
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768. Yeah, those criteria are
completely subjective,
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769. and you gotta believe
whatever the defendant tells you.
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770. Well, my studies
show otherwise.
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771. The disorder manifests itself
very specifically
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772. through irrational violence
brought on by emotional catalyst,
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773. accompanied by memory loss,
lack of affect and remorse.
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774. If that's all it takes
to duck a murder charge, we're all out of business.
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775. Doctors.
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776. The question is very simple.
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777. At the time
she fired the gun,
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778. did Lindsay Carson
appreciate the consequences of her action,
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779. and did she know
it was wrong?
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780. Yes.No.
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781. Terrific.
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782. She ran into
the restroom just moments after the shooting stopped.
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783. She was perspiring
and breathing heavily.
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784. What happened next?
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785. We stood away from the door,
the three of us, and waited.
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786. The other woman kept saying
"Oh, my God," over and over.
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787. I told her to be quiet
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788. so whoever did the shooting
wouldn't know we were in there.
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789. While you were waiting,
did the defendant do anything out of the ordinary?
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790. No.
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791. Thank you.
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792. Ms. Carson never said a word,
isn't that right?
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793. Yes. I think so.
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794. She wasn't screaming
hysterically, was she?
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795. No. She just stood there
quietly the whole time?
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796. Yes.
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797. Without displaying
any emotion, isn't that right?
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798. Yes.
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799. Didn't you think
that was strange, given the circumstance?
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800. Yes.
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801. Thank you.
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802. Since she wasn't seen leaving
through the side door
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803. or through the dining room,
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804. we concluded that she ran
into the ladies' room.
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805. That was later confirmed
by two witnesses.
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806. In your opinion,
would she have been seen
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807. if she'd left
through the side door or through the dining room?
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808. Yes, most likely.
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809. What, if any, conclusion
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810. did you draw
from her running into the ladies' room?
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811. That it was
pretty quick thinking.
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812. Thank you.
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813. My client has been charged
with shooting her victims
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814. in the busy men's room
of a crowded restaurant.
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815. Is that also evidence
of her quick thinking?
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816. I don't know.
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817. It was better
than shooting them in the dining room.
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818. Move to strike,
Your Honor.
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819. The jury will disregard
the witness's last statement.
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820. During questioning,
Ms. Carson told you that
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821. she didn't remember
where she was
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822. on Friday night,
isn't that right?
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823. Yes.
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824. Did she say anything to you
to contradict that statement?
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825. No.
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826. And you were with her
prior to and after her arrest
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827. for nearly five hours,
isn't that right?
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828. Yes.
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829. Thank you.
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830. That was Briscoe
on the phone.
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831. Feels bad about the way
his testimony went.
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832. We say she's cold-blooded,
they say she was in a trance.
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833. Tomayto, tomahto.
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834. There's nothing
Briscoe could've done.
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835. It's Friday, Jamie.
Go home.
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836. I got the pleadings
from Rigg's trial,
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837. to see if his
daughter's beef with Mayer had any rational basis.
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838. And?
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839. It seems she
had a better case against the judge.
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840. The defense asked
for a continuance
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841. so Mayer could prepare
his testimony.
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842. The judge denied it.
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843. Fourth amendment
due process violation. Tailor-made for an appeal.
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844. That's just it.
I looked at Rigg's appeals.
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845. They never argued
due process.
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846. Rigg is pretty sharp.
He wouldn't have overlooked it.
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847. Track down his lawyer.
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848. You think I'm an idiot?
Of course it's grounds for an appeal.
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849. Funny it didn't find
its way into a brief.
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850. What're you
accusing me of?
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851. You gave a less-than-zealous
representation of an unpopular defendant.
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852. Maybe the ethics committee
should look into this.
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853. He got a better defense
than he deserved.
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854. Look, I told Rigg
and his daughter
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855. we had a good
due process claim,
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856. but we needed
Mayer to back it up.
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857. What was the problem?
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858. Mayer refused to help.
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859. Did he say why? No explanation.
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860. When was this?
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861. A year ago.
Then Rigg told me to drop it.
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862. And that was the end
of my involvement.
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863. You have the transcripts
of Rigg's trial?
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864. If Mayer wouldn't
help with the appeal,
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865. it gives Carson
a whole other motive to shoot him.
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866. If this woman had
been in touch with him,
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867. why did Mayer say he
had never heard of her?
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868. Maybe for the same reason
he didn't want anything to do with Rigg's appeal.
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869. He's hiding something?
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870. The psychology profession.
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871. Good night.
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872. Jack. Mayer's testimony.
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873. This was no mistake.
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874. There's only one way
he could've known.
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875. Find out where
Mayer is, fly him in.
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876. I don't see him
volunteering to take the stand.
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877. Tell him we need to
put a face on the crime.
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878. Tell him we'll subpoena him.
Just get him into court.
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879. I spent two months
in the hospital.
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880. I have an hour of
physical therapy every day.
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881. I suppose, though,
I was lucky.
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882. Luckier, certainly,
than Mr. Garner.
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883. Were you aware
that the defendant holds you responsible
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884. for her father's
conviction?
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885. No, not until recently.
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886. In Dr. Skoda's
videotaped interview,
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887. she claims that
you were unprepared,
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888. that you made factual errors
during the testimony,
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889. that you confused her
father's case with another. Is that true?
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890. I was prepared.
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891. I made one misstatement,
but which I corrected immediately.
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892. What was the gist
of your testimony at that trial?
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893. That Arthur Rigg
committed his crimes
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894. while suffering from
dissociative disorder.
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895. What symptoms
did he exhibit?
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896. Sudden and
irrational violence, memory loss.
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897. How serious was
his memory loss?
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898. Well, he couldn't
remember the shooting
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899. or anything that happened
in the next two days.
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900. And you believed him? Oh, yes.
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901. So, he would have
no memory of his stay
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902. at the Yellow Shutters Motel
in Binghamton,
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903. the two nights
after the shooting?
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904. That's right.
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905. I refer to People's 16.
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906. The grand jury testimony
of the manager of the Yellow Shutters Motel.
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907. I'd like you to read
the highlighted portion.
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908. "I remember him clearly
because the day after he checked in
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909. "he threatened me
with a screwdriver."
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910. People's 43.
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911. This is a transcript
of your testimony at the trial of Arthur Rigg.
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912. Again, read the
highlighted portion.
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913. Dr. Mayer,
please read the passage.
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914. "Mr. Rigg exhibited classic
dissociative reactions.
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915. "Trance-like behavior
over a period of two days,
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916. "instances of
irrational violence, including the shooting..."
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917. Please finish, Doctor.
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918. "... and the attack
with the screwdriver."
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919. This is the misstatement
that you referred to earlier?
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920. Yes.
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921. How did you know
about the attack?
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922. Answer the question, Doctor.
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923. Mr. Rigg told me.
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924. Even though
he'd lost his memory?
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925. Permission to
treat as hostile.
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926. Go ahead.
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927. Isn't it true that Mr. Rigg
had no memory loss?
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928. He had some loss of memory.
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929. He wasn't dissociative,
was he?
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930. I stand by my diagnosis.
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931. You perjured yourself,
Doctor.
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932. You sold your
professional integrity for $40,000.
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933. Isn't that true? No!
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934. That's why you
refused to testify at Mr. Rigg's appeal.
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935. It is absolutely
not true!
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936. You were afraid
you'd be found out.No.
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937. That your theory
would be discredited,
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938. a theory upon which you had
built your entire career,
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939. and that Mr. Rigg would be
shown for who he was,
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940. not as a good man
who just snapped,
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941. but as a violent individual,
a bully and a liar
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942. who was no more dissociative
than his daughter.
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943. Objection.
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944. Withdrawn.
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945. I have no more questions
for this witness.
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946. You turned this
into the trial of Dr. Leon Mayer.
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947. Whatever the jury
thinks of him,
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948. they'll take it
out on my client.
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949. You hitched your
wagon to his theory. Your mistake, not ours.
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950. Man one.
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951. Not until I hear
what she has to say.
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952. I needed him to help
us with the appeal. I thought he owed us.
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953. Mmm.
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954. Dad told me to forget it,
but I couldn't.
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955. I tracked Mayer to his hotel.
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956. And you brought
the gun with you?
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957. Yes. Just to scare him.
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958. Uh, he wouldn't speak to me.
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959. I followed him everywhere,
the theater, the restaurant.
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960. I waited to talk to him.
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961. When I thought he
was going to duck out the back of the restaurant,
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962. I went after him.
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963. I told him he was a bastard
for abandoning a good man.
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964. And he laughed.
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965. Said he wasn't the problem.
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966. The problem was
my father was a murderer.
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967. And then he went
into the restroom,
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968. and I didn't believe him.
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969. I couldn't.
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970. I was just so angry
that I went in there and started shooting.
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971. And then when
I saw that other man,
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972. I just kept on firing.
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973. I'm sorry. I didn't know...
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974. Murder two, 20-to-life.
That's the best I can do.
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975. Whole world says
her father's a killer. One man says he's sick.
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976. She heard what
she wanted to hear.
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977. We all do.
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978. Yeah, but we don't all
pay $40,000 to hear it.
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