1. (male narrator)
In the criminal
justice system...
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2. the people are represented
by two separate
yet equally important groups:
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3. the police
who investigate crime...
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4. and the district attorneys
who prosecute the offenders.
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5. These are their stories.
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6. Okay. We're getting close.
Okay?
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7. (cameraman)
Okay, folks.
30 seconds to air.
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8. (woman)
Yeah. That's good.
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9. Okay, Allan.
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10. Okay, camera coming through.
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11. Here we go. Let's do this.
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12. How does it look, Bonnie?
Looks great, Rick.
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13. Control your hair,
control your life.
(Perkins)
Rick?
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14. Barry,
can you hear me out there?
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15. Yeah, lock up the street.
I'm coming out.
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16. (Barry)
You got it, Rick.
Chucky, frame me up. Signal?
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17. (Perkins)
Signal good to the towers.
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18. All right, standby.
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19. Joey, be a guy.
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20. Plug me in and keep me hot.
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21. (Joey)
Clean and mean, Rick.
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22. (man)
Today, live from the streets
of New York...
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23. Okay, it's bingo time.
Coming in 10.
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24. (Perkins)
Three camera's ready.
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25. Show me hard. Light me up.
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26. (Perkins)
Okay, we're going to roll...
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27. coming up to air in five,
four, three...
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28. (man)
Rick Mason's
Final Confession.
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29. I'm Rick Mason.
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30. Today as always,
live on location
on Final Confession...
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31. the first exclusive interview
with Dr. Joseph Vinton...
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32. child molester...
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33. and one of his victims,
Scott Fisher.
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34. Let's go meet them.
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35. Four years ago,
Dr. Joseph Vinton,
a therapist...
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36. recognized for his treatment
of disturbed children...
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37. took Scott Fisher...
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38. then 11 years old,
to this restaurant.
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39. Now, Dr. Vinton sat here
with Scott...
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40. he bought him ice cream...
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41. and he convinced Scott
not to say anything about the
abuse that he'd committed...
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42. moments earlier at
his Greenwich Village office.
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43. But eventually,
Scott did tell his mother...
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44. and Dr. Vinton went to prison.
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45. Dr. Vinton.
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46. It must be strange for you
coming back to this place.
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47. I'm not concerned
about myself.
I'm here to help others.
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48. I've committed
unspeakable crimes, and while
I've served my time in jail...
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49. I know it's not enough.
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50. Eighteen months for the abuse
of seven children.
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51. Sounds like a cruise.
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52. Is that justice?
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53. I don't know what justice is.
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54. I know what I did was awful.
I hurt people.
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55. I can't ever live it down.
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56. Not in 18 months,
or in 18 years.
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57. Now, you wrote a book
in prison
about your experiences.
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58. Who would you think
would want to read it?
Certainly not my audience!
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59. I didn't face what I'd done
until I was in prison.
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60. The book is
part of my recovery. Part of
the reason I'm free today...
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61. to say...
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62. I'm sorry.
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63. To say he's sorry
to two of his victims...
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64. Scott Fisher,
and his mother Sarah.
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65. Now, Scott...
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66. this man took you
into his care
and he abused you.
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67. (Mason)
He's willing
to acknowledge that.
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68. But if I were you...
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69. I think I would
still be a little angry.
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70. I am, but...
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71. I'm hoping to...
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72. make a start...
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73. at getting it together.
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74. This is terrible!
Take us to commercial.
Commercial!
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75. I was on air, I didn't see
the father come in.
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76. You knew who he was?
I wanted him on the show.
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77. The wife says he's there,
she's not.
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78. Who dreams he's going
to show up and shoot Vinton?
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79. Vinton gonna make it?
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80. Died in surgery.
Oh, no.
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81. (technician)
Mr. Mason?
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82. Top of the show.
If this doesn't do it...
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83. four million witnesses.
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84. Did the father know
the psychiatrist was going
to be here today?
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85. No way.
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86. We're on location every week.
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87. We never announce
where we're going to be.
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88. That's what I do.
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89. My guests are in a hotel
two days before air.
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90. Even the crew doesn't know
who's gonna be on till
just the last minute.
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91. I could have been shot myself.
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92. Look, if there's
nothing else...
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93. can I take care
of my staff?
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94. Let me give you my card.
You remember anything else
give me a call.
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95. Why did he do it?
Because he's crazy,
that's why.
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96. You thought your husband
was capable of violence?
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97. It's my fault. He blames me
for what happened to Scotty.
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98. He blames me for everything.
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99. I don't talk to my husband.
I haven't seen him
in three years.
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100. So, you didn't expect him
here today?
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101. Well, he attacked Vinton
at his trial.
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102. He got thrown out of the Army.
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103. Why do you think
I divorced him?
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104. Is my dad going to be okay?
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105. (Briscoe)
The wound's not serious.
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106. Officer O'Brien is going to
take you home, all right?
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107. Where is that
security director Talbott?
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108. I sent him back
to the precinct.
We'll get his statement.
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109. What? He's an ex-cop.
He did his job.
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110. You want to book him
for shooting the father?
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111. If you don't mind,
I've got a question.
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112. How'd the father know
to come here today?
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113. Come on, Mike, break it up,
move along.
Nothing to see here.
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114. Secret location,
lots of security.
How did Fisher get here?
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115. He shot the guy
who molested his kid.
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116. I don't care
if an avenging angel sent him.
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117. I might've done the same thing
if it was my kid.
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118. Oh, I guess, case closed.
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119. That's what Van Buren
will say.
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120. How did the father
get there?
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121. Who cares?
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122. In Narcotics,
we didn't care when
scum dealers got shot...
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123. we did want to find out
who shot them.
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124. We have the killer
in an operating room
at Bellevue.
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125. Just tell me
how Fisher got there.
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126. We drop it and he does
his 25 years.
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127. What did the wife say?
He was in the Army...
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128. in the Rangers in Vietnam?
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129. Those guys
can track a leopard
in the rain...
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130. so, maybe
he stalked the shrink.
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131. (Logan)
A shrink child molester.
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132. I wonder what's next
on his show...
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133. family dog gets a sex change?
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134. Or girl gives birth
to a baby pig.
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135. My mother likes those shows,
along with
the rest of America.
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136. What do you want to do?
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137. Hey, we already have
four open homicides.
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138. Now, wait a minute.
If he stalked him, he could
have hit him in an alleyway...
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139. he could have hit him
driving a car.
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140. He picks today
when four million people
are watching...
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141. in a place he's not even
supposed to know about?
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142. I'm just saying
let's give it a day.
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143. If nothing happens,
the case closes itself.
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144. Talbott,
Mason's head of security...
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145. the one who shot the father,
we've got him upstairs. So?
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146. Bring him down.
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147. I don't know how he got there.
At least I zipped him.
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148. God knows
who he would have shot next.
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149. You'd think someone
would have noticed him
at the restaurant.
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150. They were
rounding up audience
off the street.
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151. I wish I'd seen him sooner,
but, hey...
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152. it was a crowd.
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153. You'd already met the father?
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154. Saw his picture in a file.
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155. Hey, hold on...
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156. Twenty years in the 31, l
know the drill. Now, am I here
to give a statement or what?
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157. Easy, Barry.
Nobody's blaming you.
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158. But the wife said
her husband was a wacko.
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159. You weren't worried?
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160. I never talked to the guy
myself...
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161. Yeah, I knew he was a nut,
but a gun?
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162. You're sure Mrs. Fisher
didn't know
where the show was?
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163. Unless she reads minds.
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164. She don't find out
until we drive her there.
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165. Do me a favor, use the desk.
Finish typing up
this statement.
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166. Nice guy.
Oh, sure.
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167. Retired cop.
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168. What?
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169. He knows Fisher
was in the Army,
has a history of violence.
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170. What? He's surprised the guy
shows up with a gun?
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171. Well, I thought you said
we had four open homicides.
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172. The bodies are frozen.
They're not
going to thaw out.
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173. Okay, let's call the D.A.
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174. Maybe we get in to see
Pop Fisher. He sure as hell
knows how he got there.
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175. Yeah, he's in post-op,
sedated. They won't put him
in his room till the morning.
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176. I followed the son of a bitch.
I shot him.
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177. (Briscoe)
Where did you follow Vinton
from?
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178. (Logan)
You're going to prison.
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179. If you help us,
maybe the D.A.
will help you.
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180. Sid. The D.A.
says if you cooperate—
You're a lawyer, right?
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181. Listen up,
no jury puts me in jail
for what I did.
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182. Sid, you listen.
It's a question
of for how long.
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183. Like Vinton.
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184. Country club, 18 months.
He deserved to die.
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185. All right, look, we can do
this the easy way, or we can
do this the hard way.
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186. I didn't talk to Mason,
Talbott, any of his people.
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187. But you know the name
of the head of his security.
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188. Hell, yeah, I know his name.
He put a hole in my shoulder.
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189. Sid, this
isn't getting anywhere.
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190. I shot an animal.
Call the vet.
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191. If I'd known
this would happen, obviously
we wouldn't have gone on TV.
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192. Well, after what
you'd been through...
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193. some people would wonder
why you went on TV at all.
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194. I thought we could help
others. I thought
it would be good for Scotty.
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195. We'd have an ending,
a resolution.
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196. Scotty, ahem,
let me ask you...
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197. did you want your father
there?
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198. He's not in touch with Sid.
The court arranges everything.
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199. But, it must have been painful
seeing Vinton again, huh?
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200. Well, after three years,
it was okay.
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201. You knew your dad was angry?
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202. Dad's angry
about what happened to me.
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203. He has a right to be.
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204. (Sarah)
Scotty.
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205. So, Dr. Vinton is dead.
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206. Scotty, I want to talk
to the detectives alone.
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207. You see how upset he is?
We're victims of this, too.
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208. My husband's temper destroyed
my son and my marriage.
I didn't tell him.
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209. I didn't know
where we were going.
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210. He can't remember
how he found Vinton.
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211. Must be trauma
from the wound.
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212. Had to be his wife.
She got to him.
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213. Mrs. Fisher's lying?
Come on,
she hates her husband.
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214. She doesn't have to like him
to wind him up.
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215. Yeah, but she
wouldn't want him there.
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216. She'd be afraid
he'd shoot her.
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217. "The killing of Dr. Vinton
comes at the start
of the television period...
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218. "known as sweeps. Ratings of
Rick Mason's Final Confession
are expected to rise...
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219. 30% in the top 25 markets."
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220. Oh, Mason did it
for the ratings.
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221. He's a saint, and his show
caters to the highest
instincts of human nature.
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222. Look at him, he's scum.
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223. So, change the channel.
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224. Are you listening to yourself?
First Pop, then Mom,
now Mason.
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225. It's an Oliver Stone movie.
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226. All right, nobody planned it.
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227. It still doesn't answer
my question. How did Fisher
know where to go?
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228. That security chief, Talbott?
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229. He had the mother and son
in a hotel for two days.
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230. Fifth floor. Adjoining suites.
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231. Mrs. Fisher and the boy.
Very private.
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232. So, if we called
we couldn't get through.
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233. Discretion is our middle name.
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234. No, Mr. Mason's guests
and Mr. Talbott
weren't even on the computer.
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235. Here we go.
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236. The Fishers, no phone calls.
Talbott, local only.
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237. All to the same number.
Mason's office.
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238. Was Mr. Mason here
Tuesday night?
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239. He came in about 5:00.
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240. I took him up myself
in the service elevator.
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241. Mr. M. hates the lobby.
Samsonite tourists.
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242. He left about 7:00.
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243. Are there any pay phones
upstairs?
On the residential floors?
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244. If they use pay phones,
we lose our surcharge.
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245. Anywhere other than the lobby?
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246. Yeah, there's one
on the mezzanine, third floor.
Very private.
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247. Okay, thanks. Hey.
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248. 9:53 p.m.
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249. A phone call
from the mezzanine.
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250. To 526 East 91st Street.
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251. Sid Fisher's place.
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252. I guess the bellboy
made the call.
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253. Mason left at 7:00.
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254. Talbott was still there.
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255. Somebody has good instincts.
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256. Which one of you said
Mr. Talbott should learn
to lie better?
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257. Both of us.
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258. He said 20 years on the force?
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259. Sixteen. Never made sergeant,
tried three times.
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260. I.A. investigation
said payoffs from dealers.
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261. They never made the case.
He resigned.
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262. Even a hero needs a pension,
Barry.
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263. This is what you wanted
to talk about?
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264. How much is your pension?
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265. (Buren)
You don't have one.
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266. You didn't do 20 years.
Your career was over in 16.
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267. We're having a problem
with your statement.
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268. You see, Barry,
you said you never talked
to Sid Fisher.
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269. You said Mrs. Fisher
and her son were under
your full-time surveillance.
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270. Trouble is, somebody called
Mr. Fisher the night
before the broadcast.
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271. From a pay phone at the hotel.
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272. Now either you called,
or you know who did.
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273. One last shot
at the Sergeant's Exam.
Check the box.
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274. Is accessory to murder
an A or a B felony?
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275. I lost my pencil.
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276. The call was made, Barry.
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277. You were a cop,
work your own testimony,
see where it leads.
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278. I...
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279. I got four kids.
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280. I needed the job.
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281. I didn't call Fisher.
I didn't tell Mrs. Fisher
where the show was.
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282. The night before...
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283. Rick's on the phone
at the hotel. He's on
the phone with his lawyer.
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284. I'm worried.
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285. We know Fisher is wired,
he slugged the shrink
at the trial.
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286. I heard he pistol-whipped
some kid in the Army.
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287. I hear Rick say to the lawyer:
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288. "We talked about this.
What do you want me to do?
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289. "Cancel the show?
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290. If it happens, just tell me
what kind of trouble I'm in."
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291. I figured
I'd better clean my gun.
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292. Take a breath, Detective.
This is completely absurd.
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293. What am I hearing?
That you're investigating
my client?
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294. On the word of a crooked
ex-cop?
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295. Who was crooked
when you hired him.
And when I fired him.
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296. Did he tell you that?
Day after the show.
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297. Barry Talbott was hired
to protect my client's guests.
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298. I told Barry, heads-up...
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299. Fisher could track his wife.
Why do you think
I wanted Fisher on the show?
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300. We get him there,
we could've made sure
he didn't have a gun.
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301. The day it happened,
you were surprised
he owned a gun.
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302. The idea that my client
is responsible—
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303. Your client?
Check your shorts.
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304. Mr. Talbott tells us
that Mr. Mason called you
before the shooting.
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305. Says you knew about
the mystery guest.
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306. One, no such conversation.
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307. Two,
this imaginary conversation
took place?
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308. Privileged. Three,
if Talbott overheard it...
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309. privilege extends to him
as an employee of my client.
Close your notebook.
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310. The interview is over.
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311. She denied talking to him?
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312. Oh, but you should have seen
the look on her face.
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313. This is one scared lady.
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314. The D.A. says it's not enough.
Dirty ex-cop?
Not a great witness.
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315. Look, we know
Mason set this up.
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316. He wanted the guy shot,
he somehow got the father
there.
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317. Mason, all these guys,
they'll do anything
for higher ratings.
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318. So, that's what's going down.
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319. Somebody gets killed,
these guys break out
the champagne.
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320. We can't prove that.
We don't know who called
the father from the hotel.
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321. Fisher's wife.
Mason called her.
Or he told the kid.
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322. That makes no sense.
Sarah Fisher protecting Mason?
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323. If she knew he set it up,
why won't she tell us?
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324. Who knows why this lady
does anything?
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325. Why'd she bring her kid
on TV in the first place?
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326. "Hello, America,
here's my molested son,
watch him suffer."
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327. We have shrinks
on the payroll.
Give them a call.
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328. You're asking me to explain
the behavior of a woman
I've never met.
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329. (Logan)
Look, we need an idea,
someplace to start.
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330. I usually try and avoid
making diagnoses over lunch.
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331. Okay, this is speculation.
What did Mason
do for Sarah Fisher?
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332. He gave her an obituary.
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333. She wanted Vinton dead?
I don't think so.
He molested her son.
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334. And in a way she was molested,
too. She goes on TV,
she gets support.
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335. She even gets applause.
She doesn't want
Vinton dead...
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336. she wants to do
Oprah and Donahue with him.
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337. That's her way
of getting through it.
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338. Then she wouldn't have helped
her husband kill Vinton.
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339. No, but her son might.
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340. That makes more sense.
Mason tells the kid...
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341. the kid phones his father.
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342. She's not protecting Mason.
She's protecting her son.
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343. You're making it worse
by being here.
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344. Your husband
didn't do this alone.
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345. Mason picked you and Scott
for a reason.
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346. I watched his shows.
I guess
I should have realized...
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347. I really can't tell you
anything.
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348. You knew what your husband
was planning...
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349. and you called him.
That makes you a coconspirator
and you could be indicted.
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350. Mom, don't—
Scotty! I don't know anything.
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351. Mason went to the hotel
and he told you
to call your husband.
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352. (Briscoe)
Did he tell you it would make
a better show?
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353. Did he offer you money?
Did he tell you your husband
was going to shoot Vinton?
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354. Unless, of course,
he talked to you, Scott.
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355. Scotty, I don't think
you should be here right now.
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356. Mom, you don't have to—
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357. It doesn't matter
who Mr. Mason talked to...
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358. it's too late now.
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359. Neither of us
should have been alone
with him.
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360. We shouldn't be alone
with you.
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361. Olivet's right.
She's not giving up her son.
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362. Mason's gonna get away
with this. Do you think
the D.A.'s gonna touch this?
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363. Nah, guys like Mason
don't go to jail.
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364. They go to country clubs
and they get awards.
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365. Yeah,
what did Sarah Fisher say?
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366. She watched his shows,
so she should have known.
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367. So?
So, do you watch his show?
I don't.
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368. Maybe we should.
Maybe the guy's got some bad
habits we don't know about.
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369. Yeah,
that'll get us an arrest.
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370. It might get us something
that will convince the D.A.
that this guy set up a murder.
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371. I never watch
the competition.
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372. Hey, this isn't
a press conference.
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373. Mason's a major player
in this industry.
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374. Mr. Hudson, we're interested
in opinions, not resumes.
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375. And this is
a murder investigation.
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376. Well, which opinion
would you like?
Mason's Nielsens were down?
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377. Read it in Variety.
Which comes first?
His conviction or his Emmy?
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378. Well, what are you, new?
Nobody in the business
was surprised.
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379. You see that woman in Florida?
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380. Husband shoots her
at their daughter's grave.
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381. Same day network news.
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382. I'd sell my poodle
for that kind of hype.
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383. And shooting a child molester
is even better.
Copy !req
384. Cable operators are asking...
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385. the State of Nevada
to televise executions
pay-per-view.
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386. Snuff for you?
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387. Smell blood yet?
Television 101, no jeopardy,
no viewers.
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388. No viewers, no sponsors.
No sponsors—
No money.
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389. Oh, no, marquee.
The marquee,
his name over the title.
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390. Without a show,
Mason's nothing
but letterhead.
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391. I know a girl, Debby Corrio.
Sweet kid.
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392. She used to work for him.
She'll take you backstage.
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393. Why does everyone think
I was fired? I quit.
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394. Better job?
Better life.
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395. I couldn't take
another minute.
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396. What's on 4:30?
Final Confession.
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397. 5:00, last rites.
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398. Nobody ever got shot
on his show.
It was coming.
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399. You know the Pulisi trial?
Copy !req
400. He had one of the jurors on.
Four days later,
the man disappeared.
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401. Hey, a mob-trial juror
goes on TV?
He's asking for it.
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402. You should have seen Mason
trying to convince him
he'd be safe.
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403. Eight months ago
we were doing this spot.
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404. I found a diva, 19,
has an act in The Village.
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405. I say, "Rick Mason
wants you to sing
on his show."
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406. So, she's in heaven.
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407. No, he's at Bergdorf's
picking out
a little black dress.
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408. He's wearing a dress. So?
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409. You want to see why I quit?
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410. I'll get you the tape.
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411. I don't care if he's a bully.
It's not admissible.
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412. We're not talking
admissibility.
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413. It's motive. They're trying
to give you a reason
to make the case.
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414. Watch this.
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415. Sophie, Georgette and Mary.
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416. Boys who sing like girls.
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417. Tonight,
live on Final Confession.
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418. Stay with us.
Don't go away,
we'll be right back.
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419. (technician)
We go to commercial.
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420. Mary? Is this what
you really want to do?
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421. I just wanted to sing,
Mr. Mason.
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422. But it's not you, Mary.
Don't you want to be yourself
tonight?
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423. I don't know...
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424. They love you.
Show them
who you really are.
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425. They want you to be happy.
They told me.
They're both here?
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426. Yeah, atta girl.
All right, head's up.
We're coming back.
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427. (man)
In five, four, three...
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428. Tonight,
live on Final Confession.
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429. Mary is really Tommy Turner...
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430. and tonight...
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431. she tells the two people
that love her the most.
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432. Howard? Elaine?
Would you come out, please?
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433. Do you recognize
this young lady?
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434. Dad...
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435. Tommy?
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436. Oh, my God.
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437. Oh, no...
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438. The father walked out
of the show
and had a coronary.
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439. The kid felt so guilty,
a week later
he killed himself.
Copy !req
440. Mason destroys people.
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441. It doesn't prove anything.
Claire, it proves who he is.
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442. We can't make this work,
all we got left
is rubber hoses.
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443. You can hit him harder.
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444. You can't be serious.
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445. You don't think
we should go after him?
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446. What he does may be sleazy,
but it's not criminal.
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447. If he arranged a murder,
it is.
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448. You can't believe
that Mason knew Fisher
was coming with a gun.
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449. Miss Kincaid, he wanted
to get the man there.
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450. Expected a fistfight,
got a homicide.
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451. If intent to cause injury
causes death, it's man one.
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452. At the least,
it's facilitation.
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453. How do we prove facilitation?
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454. You're not suggesting
we offer the father a deal
for his son's testimony?
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455. Why not?
He gets man one anyway.
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456. And no jury convicts
on murder two.
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457. Half the country
wants to name him
Father of the Year.
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458. You know what Mason'll do.
Copy !req
459. Call himself a journalist
and wrap himself
in the First Amendment.
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460. Well, let him wrap himself
in the American flag.
He's not Tom Brokaw.
Copy !req
461. By the way, Adam,
the father fired his lawyer.
He's going pro se.
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462. Jerk.
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463. So, I figure we offer him
a deal,
he doesn't want to take it...
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464. we say we're adding his son
to the charge.
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465. It's not the father
we're after, it's Mason.
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466. We're not going to
indict the kid to get him.
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467. No, but the father
doesn't know that.
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468. Let's hope.
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469. My son had nothing to do
with it.
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470. Well, we think that your wife
will testify otherwise.
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471. Not against my son.
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472. Mr. Fisher...
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473. if your son did help you
get to Dr. Vinton...
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474. he's an accessory.
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475. He will go to Spofford.
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476. I shot a man on principle.
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477. You torment my son
in front of me...
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478. You have no principles.
And you speak for the State.
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479. We'll see you in court.
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480. We'll provide you with help
for your defense.
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481. If you leave my son alone,
I'll tell you
what you want to know.
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482. The offer is manslaughter
in the first degree,
you do 8-to-25...
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483. if you tell the truth and
if your testimony is useful.
That is the deal.
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484. The deal is my son
never appears in court,
for any reason.
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485. Agreed?
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486. I can promise that
he won't be indicted.
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487. I cannot promise you
that he won't appear
as witness.
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488. You don't need him
as a witness.
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489. Mason called
a couple of weeks
before the show.
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490. Said Sarah was dragging
Scotty on.
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491. Humiliate him.
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492. Vinton sells a million books,
laughs till he cries.
What am I going to do?
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493. He told me it was at Waverly.
I went and shot
the son of a bitch.
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494. (Stone)
That's a lie, sir.
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495. I told you the deal depends
on you telling the truth.
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496. I cannot let you
commit perjury.
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497. I am not dragging Scotty
through anything else,
do you hear me?
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498. My boy had to testify
against Vinton.
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499. He never appears
in court again
the rest of his life.
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500. I didn't get any calls,
I didn't talk to anybody.
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501. We can't use him. He'll lie.
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502. He probably
did talk to Mason.
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503. Well, that's not
the whole truth
and we both know it.
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504. He laid it all on Mason
to keep it away from his son,
and Mason's smart.
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505. He used the son to incite
the father, makes facilitation
that much harder to prove.
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506. Plus, he could figure that
the Fishers would never want
the kid back in the limelight.
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507. But without him,
there's no case.
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508. This family...
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509. They haven't been
in the same room together
in three years.
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510. Mrs. Fisher, we believe
that you and your son
conspired with your husband.
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511. Scott talked to your husband
before the shooting.
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512. We're certain you knew it and
if we have to, we'll charge
you both as accessories.
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513. So, Scott, help your dad.
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514. Tell the truth and
he gets out of prison sooner.
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515. Scotty.
I'm done controlling myself.
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516. Dad said it's okay
to feel that way.
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517. Mr. Mason told me
where it was going to be.
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518. I called my dad.
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519. This way, please.
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520. What is this?
What are you doing here?
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521. I thought
we were closing a deal.
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522. Your son just cut a new deal
for you.
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523. You had to put it on him.
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524. Is this today's solution?
Blame it on our son?
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525. Don't dump this on me.
I put him in therapy,
you put him in a murder trial.
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526. Sid, there's no justice.
At least
we can have recovery.
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527. Keep your recovery.
I got revenge.
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528. This is finished.
Dad, don't do that.
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529. Scotty's telling the truth,
he called Sid.
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530. He told me after it happened.
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531. You wanted corroboration.
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532. You said you'd threaten
the father,
you threatened the son.
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533. Alice Hutton finds out,
she'll have a hayride
on cross.
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534. Was there any other choice?
Now we look like
carnival hucksters.
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535. "Want a deal? Take a number.
You too can get a piece
of the movie rights."
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536. Nobody said
this was an easy case.
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537. Conspiracy without collusion?
But you've got
to make a point.
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538. Which is?
You treat people
like animal acts...
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539. one of them dies,
you go to jail.
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540. Well, I just hope
we don't look ridiculous.
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541. Oh, I'd wear clown make-up
if I thought
it'd get me a conviction.
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542. "Docket number 62397,
The People v. Richard Mason.
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543. Charges are manslaughter,
first degree, criminal
facilitation, first degree."
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544. So, Miss Hutton?
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545. Your Honor,
in view of the absurdity
of these charges...
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546. my client would like
to make a statement.
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547. In my defense, Your Honor,
I point to my career
in journalism...
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548. the respect
of my colleagues.
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549. Sir, I have no idea
who you are.
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550. Miss Hutton, I'm not going
to dismiss charges before
they get to grand jury.
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551. Prompt your client
to enter a plea
or enter it for him.
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552. Not guilty on both counts.
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553. Ms. Kincaid?
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554. We don't think bail
will affect Mr. Mason's
appearance at trial.
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555. The People ask for $100,000.
We find that acceptable,
Your Honor.
Copy !req
556. Such reasonable people.
Who says no happy families?
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557. And Mr. Mason,
stay in character if you want,
but please, stay in town.
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558. Next.
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559. Who are you?
I speak for the people.
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560. I gave the Fishers
their real day in court.
You're a public servant.
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561. Your system gave a molester
18 months.
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562. You serve the public
better than I do?
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563. I didn't arrange
to have him killed.
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564. Neither did my client.
He had no motive.
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565. Your client saw
an opportunity, Alice.
I'm an opportunist?
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566. Thirty-eight people were shot
in courtrooms last year.
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567. The show you're staging
is no different than mine.
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568. Mr. Mason, please focus.
This is not a show.
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569. You have a camera,
I have Attica.
Take a rest.
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570. I didn't get my nap today
either. Geraldo had Nazis
on the show...
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571. he started a brawl,
nobody indicted him.
Nobody got shot on his show.
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572. Now, I'm willing to discuss
a plea at the lowest charge.
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573. Go ahead, pick that scab.
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574. I'll see you in court.
Don't be late, it's live.
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575. By the way,
that phone conversation the
security guard overheard...
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576. Mr. Talbott?
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577. I was on the phone
with my client.
You'll never get it admitted.
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578. (Hutton)
The call is privileged.
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579. Mr. Talbott worked
for my client. In essence...
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580. he was my client.
Oh, really? On what grounds?
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581. He was a necessary agent
to my client
conducting his business.
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582. The necessary agent theory?
Fine for the law journals,
Alice.
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583. We don't make law here,
we uphold it.
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584. My client didn't expect
to be overheard.
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585. McCormick on Evidence,
he thought
the call was private...
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586. he didn't waive privilege.
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587. It was a public telephone.
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588. Attorney-client privilege
is one of those great zones
of privacy, however—
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589. Your Honor, l—
Sit down, Alice.
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590. I don't see
how it applies here.
And the jury has a choice.
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591. They don't have to
believe a word
Mr. Talbott says.
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592. The testimony on the call
is admitted.
Let's go to trial.
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593. Alice, that phone call,
Talbott isn't lying, is he?
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594. That conversation
was privileged.
This isn't about privilege.
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595. Prove my actions
were improper,
bring me up for disbarment.
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596. If I could prove it,
it would be accessory
to manslaughter.
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597. Who appointed you
Saint Francis of Assisi?
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598. It must be thrilling
to occupy
such high moral ground.
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599. You're an officer
of the court.
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600. It sounds like you were
discussing the possibility
of murder with your client.
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601. Really? You want to try
proving any of that?
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602. You're desperate.
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603. Talk shows have been on
20 hours a week
for the past 10 years.
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604. First time somebody gets shot,
you call it manslaughter?
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605. It's what a jury
calls it that counts.
This prosecution's a hummer.
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606. I don't know
how you look at yourself
in the mirror.
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607. I'm a Catholic,
I can feel guilty
about anything.
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608. But I'll bet my conscience
is easier to live with
than yours.
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609. Now, what will the defendant
tell you?
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610. That he covers the news.
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611. But in this case,
he didn't cover the news,
he made it.
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612. Now, let's be clear
about the motive.
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613. (Stone)
Nothing draws people
to their television sets...
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614. nothing is more magnetic
than violence.
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615. And each year,
the stakes go up.
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616. You had a fistfight
on your show last year...
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617. now who's going to watch
if that happens again?
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618. The higher the stakes,
the higher the ratings.
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619. The higher the ratings,
the more money
goes into Mr. Mason's pockets.
Copy !req
620. And these stakes
are human lives.
Copy !req
621. Not just the life
of Dr. Vinton...
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622. but the lives of
the entire Fisher family.
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623. Now, Mr. Mason
brought them together as
you would gasoline and fire.
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624. And he waited
for the explosion.
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625. The People will prove
that the explosion came...
Copy !req
626. because the defendant
deliberately lit the match.
Copy !req
627. Mr. Stone has a strange notion
of human behavior.
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628. The defendant, he believes,
is responsible
for what other people do.
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629. He says, let's be clear
about motive.
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630. I suggest, let's be clear
about the facts.
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631. Here's what you'll learn from
the witnesses. The defendant
didn't fire a gun.
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632. He didn't put a gun
in anyone's hand,
he didn't coerce...
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633. anyone to appear
on his program.
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634. And I remind you
of one other fact.
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635. Long before the defendant
ever met the Fisher family...
Copy !req
636. Scott Fisher's father
attacked Joseph Vinton.
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637. Did Richard Mason provoke
Mr. Fisher to fire a gun?
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638. Or was he provoked
in a courtroom...
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639. long before Richard Mason
ever heard of him?
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640. That phone call
scared the hell out of me.
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641. What specifically worried you?
Copy !req
642. Mr. Mason always said
Fisher might show up.
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643. When he asked his lawyer
what kind of trouble
he'll be in...
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644. I figure he knows for sure.
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645. Did you do anything
about your concerns?
Well, I told him:
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646. "Let me hire an extra man."
He said, "Forget it.
Copy !req
647. Fisher comes,
I'll let the guy talk."
I said, "The guy's nuts...
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648. anything can happen."
And what did Mr. Mason
say to that?
Copy !req
649. He said, "We're doing a show.
Things are supposed
to happen."
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650. Thank you. Your witness.
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651. So, Mr. Talbott, you thought
there'd be trouble?
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652. Did you call the police?
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653. I followed Mr. Mason's orders.
Did you follow orders
as a cop?
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654. Why did you leave
the Police Department?
Objection.
Copy !req
655. Is it true
you resigned because—
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656. Miss Hutton.
Counsel will approach.
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657. When he objects,
you wait for my ruling.
Copy !req
658. Now, Mr. Talbott wasn't
convicted of a crime, get near
that again, you'll regret it.
Copy !req
659. Objection sustained.
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660. Mr. Talbott, this call you say
you overheard.
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661. Did you mention it
in your statement
to the police?
Copy !req
662. No, I didn't.
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663. Well, you lied then,
or you're lying now.
Copy !req
664. Is it true you no longer work
for Richard Mason...
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665. that you were fired
the day after the shooting
of Joseph Vinton?
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666. Yeah, I was fired.
Well, you lied to the police.
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667. I wonder, are you angry enough
at Richard Mason to lie now?
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668. I didn't want my son on TV.
What did you tell Mr. Mason?
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669. I said, "You put Scotty on,
I'm gonna be there.
It'll be trouble."
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670. Mason says, "It's news
to America. You don't like
the news, make your own."
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671. And what did that mean to you?
Objection.
Asks for conclusion.
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672. No, I'll allow it. Mr. Fisher?
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673. It meant lump it.
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674. He wanted me to come
and attack Vinton.
Thank you. Your witness.
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675. So, you testified your son
told you where to go that day.
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676. Can you tell the court
why wasn't Scott charged
as an accessory in this crime?
Copy !req
677. I don't know.
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678. Is that so? You said you
made a deal with Mr. Stone.
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679. You'd implicate Mr. Mason
in exchange for
a reduced sentence.
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680. Was your son a part
of that deal?
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681. They threatened
to indict Scotty.
"They," Mr. Fisher?
Copy !req
682. Mr. Stone,
the District Attorney.
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683. He said he'd indict my son.
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684. Compelling incentive.
If my son were threatened,
I'd say anything.
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685. No further questions.
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686. Mason did it!
He made Scotty call me.
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687. He's a parasite! He's filth!
Mr. Fisher!
Copy !req
688. The jury will ignore
the witness's remark.
Strike it from the record.
Copy !req
689. Redirect, Your Honor?
If the witness
can control himself.
Copy !req
690. Mr. Fisher, did you ever offer
to lie in your testimony?
Copy !req
691. I wanted to say
Mason told me where to go.
Copy !req
692. I wanted to say Scotty
had nothing to do with it.
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693. And how did I respond?
Copy !req
694. You said that was perjury.
You said
you couldn't let me do that.
Copy !req
695. Thank you.
No further questions.
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696. It was at the hotel.
I was in my room.
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697. And what did Mr. Mason
tell you?
Copy !req
698. He said where the show
was gonna be...
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699. might be painful.
Copy !req
700. And what did you say to that?
I told him I was scared...
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701. about seeing Dr. Vinton.
Copy !req
702. I didn't want to know
where it was.
Copy !req
703. He said he had to tell me.
The Waverly,
where Dr. Vinton...
Copy !req
704. took me after the sessions.
Copy !req
705. Did Mr. Mason explain to you
why he had to tell you
where it was?
Copy !req
706. He said my dad
ought to be there.
Copy !req
707. He couldn't tell Dad
where the show was
going to be, but I could.
Copy !req
708. He took me to
a pay phone downstairs
and I called my dad.
Copy !req
709. Thanks, Scott. Your witness.
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710. I know this is difficult
for you, Scott. All we want
you to do is tell the truth.
Copy !req
711. Now, you met with Dr. Vinton
for how long?
About three years.
Copy !req
712. And did your mother ever
ask you about your sessions
with the doctor?
Copy !req
713. Objection. Relevance?
Goes to credibility.
Copy !req
714. I'll allow it, but make
the connection quickly.
Copy !req
715. Go on, Scott.
Sure, my mom asked me.
Copy !req
716. And in three years
you never told her
what Dr. Vinton did to you?
Copy !req
717. No, she wanted me to go.
You wanted to
please your mother...
Copy !req
718. so you didn't tell the truth.
Copy !req
719. You want to make it
sound like I'm lying.
Copy !req
720. I'm not. Mr. Mason told me
to call my dad.
Copy !req
721. I didn't know
what he was gonna do.
Copy !req
722. Scott, didn't Mr. Stone
prepare you for today?
Copy !req
723. Didn't he tell you exactly
what to say?
Copy !req
724. He told me just like you,
to tell the truth.
Copy !req
725. No further questions.
Copy !req
726. She couldn't break him, Adam.
Copy !req
727. Ben, who said all cases
are made
by prepping the witnesses?
Copy !req
728. You did, I think.
About 400 times.
Oh, yeah.
Copy !req
729. Ben, Mr. Mason
just held a press conference.
Copy !req
730. He fully expects
to be acquitted.
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731. He's suing for false arrest
and malicious prosecution.
Copy !req
732. $5 million in damages.
Copy !req
733. Well, the last guy
that tried that
with me...
Copy !req
734. is still doing
three-to-nine.
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735. I wouldn't eat that canary
just yet.
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736. It's a long trip
from your witnesses
to motive and conviction.
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737. I'm pretty sure
Mr. Mason will get us there.
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738. Well, but he might be
a better performer
than you.
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739. Certainly had
as much practice.
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740. Well, then l
can learn something.
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741. Why did you visit Scott
at the hotel that night?
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742. I spend time with all
my subjects. Especially
a vulnerable 15-year-old.
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743. What did you tell Scott?
I reminded him
how hard it would be.
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744. Frankly,
I wanted to assure myself that
he wouldn't be damaged...
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745. and if I wasn't convinced,
I would have canceled
the show.
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746. Did you tell him where
the show would be and ask him
to call his father?
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747. Absolutely not.
I spoke to Mr. Fisher.
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748. Anyone could see the man
was dangerous.
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749. Did you instruct Barry Talbott
to curtail his vigilance
in any way?
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750. The opposite.
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751. I was concerned
that Mr. Fisher might find out
the location of the show.
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752. I told Mr. Talbott
to stop him at all costs.
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753. Mr. Mason, do you
consider yourself to have
high professional standards?
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754. Yes, I do.
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755. There are some things
I will not do
in pursuit of a story.
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756. I've never used a hidden
camera. I don't surprise
subjects in parking lots.
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757. And I don't pay
convicted felons.
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758. I might add that some of
my colleagues at the networks
are not so particular.
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759. Thank you. Your witness.
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760. So, you have high professional
standards, sir, yet...
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761. you put the Fisher family
on your show, you knew
that Mr. Fisher was dangerous.
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762. Is that a high standard?
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763. I took every precaution.
Didn't you provoke Mr. Fisher?
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764. Didn't you refuse
to hire additional security?
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765. Didn't you manipulate
Scott Fisher?
None of that is true.
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766. What about guests on your
previous shows?
Didn't you arrange to have—
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767. Objection. May we approach?
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768. Mr. Mason's past programs
are irrelevant.
It goes to motive, Your Honor.
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769. And they're inadmissible.
Put it in your pocket, Ben.
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770. I didn't let her do it
to your witness,
you don't do it to hers.
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771. Objection sustained.
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772. Mr. Stone?
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773. Are you telling this court,
sir, that you feel
no responsibility...
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774. for the death of Dr. Vinton?
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775. It was a tragedy,
but I would never knowingly
put anyone's life in danger.
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776. Judge, you can't allow this.
You want to go
in the back door?
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777. Your client opened the door.
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778. Hello there,
send the arguments
toward my door.
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779. Mr. Stone tried to sneak in
character testimony before.
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780. He wanted to tarnish my client
but you said no.
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781. Mr. Mason's past programs
haven't suddenly
become relevant.
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782. But they have,
Alice. Mason lied.
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783. He said he never
put anyone in danger.
He did.
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784. He said "knowingly."
He would never knowingly
put anyone in danger.
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785. Ben, you have rebuttal
on this?
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786. (Stone)
I do, Your Honor.
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787. A witness who was there
and she'll testify.
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788. It's grossly prejudicial.
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789. People v. Zackowitz,
Benjamin Cardozo on the
New York Court of Appeals.
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790. What about Wigmore?
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791. Character is never an issue
unless the defendant chooses
to make it one...
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792. which is what your client did.
It's too bad, he should
have kept his mouth shut.
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793. I'm going to allow this...
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794. but you better hope
your witness knows
what she's talking about.
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795. We wanted the juror
from the Pulisi trial...
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796. to talk about
organized crime.
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797. We picked juror number six,
James Davis.
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798. And why did you want
that particular juror
on your show?
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799. He was the one who pushed
the jury to convict.
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800. He said
he would talk about it,
but he was afraid.
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801. Mr. Mason assured him
that we'd alter his voice,
silhouette his face.
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802. (Stone)
And did Mr. Mason do that?
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803. Sure, he did.
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804. Then he invited
Nick Pulisi's son
on the show.
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805. Mr. Davis didn't know
until halfway through.
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806. He disappeared
from a parking lot.
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807. They never found him.
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808. Were you involved in the show
that featured...
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809. prostitutes in Times Square?
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810. I helped find those girls.
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811. The day of the show one
of them, her name was Cheryl,
she was a little tired.
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812. Mr. Mason was upset.
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813. The first time we talked
to her, she was all lit up,
she was funny.
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814. Lit up, you mean
that she was on drugs?
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815. She was on cocaine.
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816. (Stone)
And what did Mr. Mason do
to help her be funny?
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817. He gave her $300, told her
to take a little walk.
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818. Did she come back?
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819. Yeah.
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820. She was her old self.
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821. She was buzzed.
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822. We were just off the air
when she keeled over.
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823. Later, we found out
she bought some bad stuff.
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824. She barely made it
to the hospital.
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825. Miss Corrio,
one last question.
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826. How did Mr. Mason
react to that news?
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827. He said, "What a waste...
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828. too bad she didn't OD
on the show."
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829. He said,
"What we really needed was for
somebody to die on the air."
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830. On the first count
of the indictment manslaughter
in the first degree...
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831. how does the jury find?
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832. We find the defendant
not guilty.
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833. (Steinman)
On the second count
of the indictment,
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834. the charge
of criminal facilitation...
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835. in the first degree,
how does the jury find?
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836. We find the defendant guilty.
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837. Move to continue bail
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838. Motion granted.
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839. (Mason)
I'm disappointed,
but not only for myself.
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840. It's a sad day
for the First Amendment.
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841. He'll do 18 months,
better than nothing.
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842. Eighteen months
is what Vinton got,
right?
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843. Mason
could write his own book
in that time.
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844. Oh, he's off the air.
Oh, I don't know about that.
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845. Five hundred cable channels
coming? He could start
the Prison Channel.
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