1. by two separate
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4. These are their stories.
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5. Upstairs neighbor
complained about the smell.
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6. Don't worry, Max. There's
just three more flights.
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7. Didn't somebody
fry the coffee yet?
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8. Whoa!
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9. Yo, Profaci.
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10. Hey, Mikey.
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11. Holland, Bobby, 26, 27.
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of the head.
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13. Probably two days.
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14. Ask me,
he was probably a dealer.
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16. Still looking.
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besides dealers?
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NBC/UNIVERSAL
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21. Needs a paint job.
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22. The guy's dead.
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23. If they had
downstairs...
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24. I'm below him, in 2a.
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to sad music.
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28. Left early.
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Saturday night?
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about 1:30
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This guy tears past me.
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a good look at him?
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35. 1:00 a.m., guy goes running
down the steps in this city?
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36. I've learned not to look.
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37. Brownstones?
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38. They're invitations
to get robbed.
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39. How many sets of prints
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a dozen people.
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43. You run them?
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44. No match.
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45. None of his friends
had records.
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46. Neither did he.
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47. What'd they used to say?
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48. Live fast, die young,
leave a beautiful corpse.
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49. Whoever shot this one didn't
care much about beautiful.
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50. You should have seen
the apartment.
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51. More trashed
than the victim.
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52. Not to boil your coffee
or anything
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53. but a guy fights
with a burglar...
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54. He gets
banged up.
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55. Not the late Mr. Holland.
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56. Not a bruise, not a mark,
not a scratch on the body.
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57. Just a nice, clean
.38 entrance wound.
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58. Close range?
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59. A foot, maybe 18 inches.
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60. Powder burns...
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61. Stippling.
You check both hands?
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62. Clean, not a
trace of powder.
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63. The guy didn't shoot himself,
that's dead certain.
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64. Bobby was big. He...
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65. When he was born,
he was over 11 pounds.
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71. He kept to himself a lot.
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72. He didn't have a lot of friends.
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74. Bobby have any brothers,
sisters?
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75. After Bobby,
we didn't have any more.
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and I had...
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78. there were no more children.
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79. And now we've lost him.
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80. We lost him when he moved
over the bridge.
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81. Personal possessions.
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82. Things they found on him
when he was brought in.
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83. Would you sign
for them, please?
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85. An Omega.
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86. Big, heavy job, steel.
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87. High school graduation.
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88. It cost me a week's pay.
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89. The band?
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90. It had links, tight,
steel, too.
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91. He wore it to work
without worry.
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92. When he first moved
to the city
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94. A pistol?
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95. .38. It was licensed.
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96. I told him to keep it
next to the bed.
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97. Why didn't he
defend himself?
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98. You got a big, tough guy,
big enough to toss
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like a pillow.
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100. There's always somebody bigger.
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101. Captain, the apartment
looked like Beirut.
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102. And our vic,
not a bruise
or a cut lip.
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103. Now, you fight
with a crackhead
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104. you're going to get hit,
something.
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105. A bullet in the head.
Isn't that something?
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106. How did the perp
get in?
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107. Fire escape?
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108. Nope. One door,
no fire escape.
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109. Well, then, maybe we're talking
about a friend here.
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110. A friend with
a grudge?
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111. You got something better?
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112. Maybe you should go out,
shake up the ground
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113. a little bit,
see who he knew.
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114. Lock it down, tie it off!
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115. Whoa, whoa, whoa, right there,
right there. Hold up.
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116. I hope to God
you get who did it.
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117. Bobby was a good man.
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118. Women problems?
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119. Bobby didn't cat around.
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120. Gambling?
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121. Not even
a football pool.
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122. Did Bobby Holland hang out
after work?
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123. Didn't even come
to union meetings.
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124. Mr. Massacio, come on, he must
have hung out with somebody.
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125. Go ask Suarez. Angel.
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126. Sometimes they
had lunch together.
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127. Thanks.
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128. Angel Suarez?
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129. Detective Logan,
Sergeant Greevey.
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130. I already heard about Bobby.
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131. You a friend of his?
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132. I knew him.
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133. Real broken up, huh?
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134. If I knew who did him,
I'd let you know.
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135. Where were you
Saturday night?
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136. In San Juan,
visiting my parents.
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137. I got back Sunday night.
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138. You want to see my plane ticket?
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139. We're talking murder here.
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140. Look, the night Bobby got it
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141. he was having a drink
with a friend, Lois Rivera.
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142. She has a gourmet sandwich cart
up on Upper Westside.
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143. If you guys find the killer
and want to save the state
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144. the price of the trial,
give me a call.
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145. Thanks.
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146. That night
before I met my sister,
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147. I had a drink
with Bobby.
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148. We talked a while,
about nothing really.
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149. I just told him I thought he
should go back to school.
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150. City College,
part-time.
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151. Bobby was real smart.
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152. He knew a lot about music,
he read a lot of books.
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153. Would anybody
want to hurt him?
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154. No.
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155. Nobody I can think of.
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156. Where did he go
after he left you?
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157. It's Lois, right?
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158. Listen.
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159. Somebody blew your boyfriend's
brains out with a.38, okay?
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160. He went to a bar downtown.
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161. Paradise Lost.
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162. Look,
I really wasn't Bobby's girl—
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163. just a good friend.
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164. Bobby was gay.
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165. You couldn't miss the guy.
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166. Why not?
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167. The kind of crowd we get.
You know, average guys.
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168. Construction workers,
grad students from
N.Y.U., easy mix.
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169. Neighborhood.
So here's this character
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170. dressed kind of charivari.
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171. Black t-shirt,
gray silk jacket.
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172. You know the look—
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173. "I'm cool and you're not."
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174. You ever seen him
with Holland before?
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175. Bobby doesn't come in
a lot lately.
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176. More like,
after work for a Michelob.
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177. The silk jacket and Bobby
were sitting over there.
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178. Couldn't hear them.
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179. Then they were gone.
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180. Silk jacket...
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181. want to know the truth?
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183. Something about him.
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184. I don't know.
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185. I don't know.
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186. So he was rough-trade.
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187. So they do their thing.
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188. Mr. Silk jacket
does it all.
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189. Sex, kills the guy
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190. then trashes the place
looking for something to take.
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191. Yeah. Any odds
on finding him?
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192. About as good as finding
true love at Paradise Lost.
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193. I don't know.
His parents, his boss,
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194. his co-workers,
his neighbors...
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195. no one knew this guy was gay.
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196. If they're out there,
I don't see them either.
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197. Think a lot of cops are gay?
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198. No way, man.
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199. The department's
got a special test.
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200. They look you in the eye.
If your left eye blinks
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they know you're gay.
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202. They say
one in ten, max.
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203. That's a lot.
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204. They just fade in.
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205. Silk jacket?
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he's not in any of these.
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207. Good news and bad news.
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208. Let me guess.
The good news is,
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209. somebody just walked in
and confessed?
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210. The good news
is they found the gun.
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211. Empty lot, six blocks away.
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212. Bad news? Wiped clean.
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213. Registration?
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214. You're going to love this.
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215. Your vic, Bobby Holland.
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216. Terrific.
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217. Bobby was always popular
with the girls.
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218. He was a halfback
on the football team.
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219. He was on the student council.
He was king of the prom.
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220. He hid his magazines
under the mattress.
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221. Playboy.
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225. And you?
Bobby had everything
going for him.
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227. His friends would
come over, hang out
in the yard,
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229. Have him throw the football...
like that.
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his high-school girlfriend...
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231. a beauty.
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232. She was a beauty.
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233. Gorgeous.
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to Manhattan.
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242. I told him
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of nuts you're meeting.
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of loonies out there."
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I bought him the gun.
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boyfriends?
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about any of them?
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248. What do you want to hear?
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251. Angel.
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254. What do you think he'd say?
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255. You told him Bobby was gay.
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257. He'd never believe it.
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258. He'd laugh.
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260. What about you
and Bobby Holland?
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261. I used to hate being gay.
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fag jokes all the time.
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263. You know, the way blacks
call each other "nigger."
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let me get away with it.
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out of town
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somebody else, huh?
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268. Six, eight weeks ago,
he started seeing somebody new.
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270. Anyway, I don't know
what this guy had for him
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273. He lives somewhere
on the Eastside.
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named Jack?
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277. Great.
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278. Bullet to the head.
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I heard about it before.
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a psychic now?
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281. Month ago, maybe two,
same kind of killing.
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282. Gay bashing?
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283. I read about it
in Time, Newsweek.
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284. Last week or week before.
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285. You sure you didn't read
about this in your dreams?
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286. California.
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287. Redwoods.
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288. Michelle Pfeiffer.
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289. One of them interests you.
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290. Earthquakes...
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291. And murder.
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292. No prints here either.
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293. Gun was found
in an empty lot wiped clean.
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294. Burglary?
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295. Uh-huh.
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296. Ripped the place apart.
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297. A week later, another one just
like it in L.A.
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298. The vic's address book?
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299. Can you fax it?
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300. 212-555-8342.
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301. Yeah. All right.
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302. Thanks.
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303. He's faxing it.
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304. Call Sheriff's Homicide
in L.A.
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305. Lead investigator's name
is Sam White.
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306. They're not as friendly
in Los Angeles.
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307. Too much sun
makes them crazy.
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308. Am I sure
it's a similar case?
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309. Look, I'm as sure
as I can be not looking
at the bodies, okay?
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310. Right. Uh-huh.
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311. The victim had
no address book.
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312. Just a lot of phone numbers
on scraps of paper.
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314. Oh, an open
homicide investigation?
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315. What do you think we're doing,
getting cats out of trees?
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316. Huh? Look, we link the victims,
we got a case, okay?
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317. Now if you can just send us...
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318. Nobody's asking
for the originals, huh?
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319. Just fax us
whatever you got, okay?
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320. What?
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321. Hey, fax you, okay?
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322. "In an open investigation,
we do not release evidence
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to give you a hard time
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like they're alive.
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326. Let's give them
a hard time back.
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327. Look, do they want an arrest,
or what?
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328. Put the fire out
and I'll settle this thing.
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329. Yes, yes, Captain.
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330. Mm-hmm.
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331. Yeah, if it's
their collar.
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332. Well, of course
we understand.
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has been under a little pressure
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336. Yes.
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very much.
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339. Well, the city is bankrupt
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340. but yes, yes, I think we could
spring for a courier.
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341. Uh-huh.
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342. Yeah.
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343. No, no, thank you, Captain.
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344. Do you believe that?
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345. They don't want to lose
even a copy of this stuff.
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347. You know, fellows,
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is going to cost the city
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349. I hope this works.
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350. You can cross out Jack E.
in San Francisco.
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351. Still lives there.
Hasn't left town.
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352. That's all the Johns,
Jays, Jacks—
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with no first initials.
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L.A. or New York.
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355. I got San Francisco.
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356. Start with
Holland's address book.
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357. Read me off
the last four digits
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with telephone numbers.
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359. Albano, 4512.
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363. Dorman, 78...
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366. That's Holland's J. Curry.
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367. San Francisco's got John C.,
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and has the same phone number.
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372. Same number.
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on three murder victims
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374. knowing the same guy?
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375. He was in San Francisco and L.A.
when the others were killed.
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377. And one on either side.
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378. And all three of them had his
name in their address book?
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379. Not to mention, Bobby Holland's
new boyfriend's name is Jack.
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380. Enough?
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381. Pick him up.
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382. Bust the door
and then stand back.
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383. My partner and I
will go in first.
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385. That's funny.
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386. I figured Def Leppard,
maybe Motley Crue.
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387. Ready?
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388. Go.
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389. Police!
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390. Which one of you
is Jack Curry?
I'm Jack Curry.
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391. You're under arrest
for the murder
of Bobby Holland.
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392. Put your hands on
top of your head! Now!
But I...
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393. Check it out.
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394. Get up. Get up.
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395. Spread your legs!
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396. You have the right
to remain silent.
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397. Anything you say
may be used
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in a court of law.
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399. Hands down.
Get your hands down!
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400. You have the right
to an attorney.
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401. If you cannot afford
an attorney
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at no cost.
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403. Let's go.
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405. Julia Debakey.
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406. Great.
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407. What? Who's she?
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408. Probably the toughest
civil rights lawyer
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410. Paul Robinette.
Julia Debakey.
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411. Your cops put my client
in a holding cell
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of drug addicts.
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413. Geez, we tried to get him
a private suite.
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414. Eh, he looks like
he survived.
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business, Counselor,
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exactly your ball game.
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Mr. Robinette.
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418. We're building a whole
new ball park with this one.
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419. I'll allow my client
to answer questions,
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at any time.
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421. Let's start with
the wristwatch, Jack—
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on the back?
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423. Bobby gave it to me
as a present.
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blew his head off.
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to shoot himself.
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427. You want to run that
by us again?
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428. Bobby wanted help
to commit suicide.
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429. Look, he had AIDS.
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430. He wanted it to look
like a robbery
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wouldn't know.
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432. And when you went to visit
Uncle Joe in Los Angeles?
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in San Francisco?
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434. You know about them.
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435. Uh, look...
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you don't get the insurance.
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440. Yes. They pulled
the triggers themselves.
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clean?
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442. My client has nothing
to say about those cases.
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443. What about Bobby Holland?
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444. Do you know
what AIDS looks like?
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when you can't breathe?
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in Seoul.
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a professor out at U.C.L.A.
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450. Ph.D. in linguistics.
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451. The last month of his life,
he forgot how to tell time.
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453. Bobby didn't want to waste away.
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around mine.
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do what he wanted.
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462. It's called mercy killing.
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463. You have 48 hours to arraign him
or let him go.
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464. Ask the medical examiner
if Holland did have AIDS.
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465. You'll get answers
faster than I will.
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467. Find out about the victims
in L.A. and San Francisco.
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468. What if they
had AIDS, too?
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469. We'll need answers to questions
we haven't even thought of.
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470. The guy's jive,
I'm telling you.
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471. Yeah? Well, the jury
might not think so.
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472. Yeah, well, what's the jury
gonna think when they hear
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473. that Holland
never even touched the gun?
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474. No powder residue
on his hands.
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475. Holland had AIDS.
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476. So did San Francisco
and L.A.
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477. So Curry's telling the truth.
Or part of the truth.
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478. You say it's a mercy killing,
you don't do 15 to life.
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479. Because someone has AIDS doesn't
mean he can't be murdered.
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480. But where does that get us?
He's killing these AIDS
patients for kicks?
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481. I hated Bobby being that way.
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482. I hated the people
he hung out with.
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483. I hated the way
he lived his life,
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484. but this guy Curry—
you shouldn't put him in jail.
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485. He shot your son.
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486. You read the articles?
Newspapers?
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487. Not an easy way to go.
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488. Bobby wanted to die.
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489. You can't be sure of that.
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490. Yes, I can.
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491. Bobby asked me
to shoot him first.
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492. I knew Bobby was gay.
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493. We just couldn't talk
about it.
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494. I'll never
have that chance now.
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495. That bastard Curry
killed my son.
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496. You have to put that man
in jail.
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497. The defense is going to make
a very strong case
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498. that your son
intended to die.
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499. I've been getting Bobby's mail.
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500. This letter—
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501. "Gay Men Allied Against AIDS."
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502. Bobby had an appointment
with someone
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503. to talk about
taking A.Z.T.
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504. My son wanted to live.
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505. The charges are murder
in the second degree
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506. conspiracy in the first degree,
manslaughter in the first degree
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507. criminally negligent homicide,
promoting a suicide attempt
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508. and reckless endangerment
in the second degree.
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509. Does the defendant
wish to enter a plea?
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510. Yes, Your Honor, not
guilty on all counts.
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511. Do the people have a bail
recommendation, Mr. Stone?
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512. This case is a
homicide, Your Honor.
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513. Despite the circumstances,
we feel that some
bail is necessary.
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514. Personally, I'm uncomfortable
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515. releasing any
homicide defendant
without substantial bail,
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516. but I do not feel this defendant
is a major flight risk.
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517. $50,000,
short date.
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518. Our government is killing us
through neglect.
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519. The mayor, the governor,
the president,
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520. they have blood on their hands.
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521. While we're dying,
they're prosecuting Jack Curry.
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522. Take the money
from the district attorney
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523. and give it
to the health department.
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524. Mr. Gordon, do you think
the prosecution is hostile
to people with AIDS?
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525. If Bobby Holland was dying of
Alzheimer's and Jack Curry
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526. wasn't gay, would they charge
him with murder?
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527. Every gay activist in
the country's gonna be after us.
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528. I understand, Adam, but
gay-straight is not the issue.
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529. Murder masquerading as assisted
suicide is the issue.
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530. Now, let's say we drop
all the charges
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531. and we just go
for a misdemeanor.
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532. We're not ignoring the
gay-straight question;
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533. we're making it
the only question.
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534. You know what that is?
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535. Good politics.
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536. Yes, and bad law.
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537. It is not compassion.
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538. It's pity for gay people,
and pity is one step away
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539. from ridicule.
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540. Now what if Bobby Holland
wanted to die?
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541. How does anybody know what went
through Bobby Holland's mind
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542. five minutes before he died?
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543. Or two minutes? Or 20 seconds?
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544. Or one second?
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545. And Jack Curry,
who's done this twice before,
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546. did he talk him into it?
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547. You can't change the fact
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548. that Holland was gay
and Curry is gay.
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549. What I can't change
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550. is that Jack Curry didn't
bring pills and leave them.
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551. He didn't bring a gun
and leave it.
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552. He pulled the trigger.
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553. Gay Men Allied Against AIDS.
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554. Bobby Holland didn't need
an angel of death.
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555. He wasn't that sick yet.
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556. Did he want to die?
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557. Look, you're H.I.V.-positive.
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558. You think you'll hang around
till you get sick.
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559. You start to feel lousy,
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560. it's hardly unusual
to think about suicide.
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561. Bobby wanted to kill himself.
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562. I told him not to.
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563. And?
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564. He said he'd think about it—
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565. going on A.Z.T.,
trying experimental drugs.
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566. I saw Conrad
Gordon on TV.
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567. Anybody want
to call Jack Curry a hero
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568. I tell them to look at me.
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569. I was diagnosed
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570. with AIDS when it was still
called "GRID," for God's sake.
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571. I'm still here.
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572. Curry had no right
to shoot Bobby Holland.
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573. Okay, thanks.
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574. You're saying Bobby Holland
might have reconsidered?
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575. If he'd reconsidered,
my client wouldn't be here.
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576. You don't know that,
I don't know that.
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577. And even you don't
know that, Mr. Curry.
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578. You were involved
in those cases in California.
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579. Do you have a stake
in getting these people to die?
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580. No, Mr. Stone, I don't.
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581. Did you try
to talk Bobby Holland out of it?
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582. Several times
over several hours.
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583. He didn't want
to turn into a zombie.
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584. What if it were your son,
Mr. Stone?
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585. If it were my son, I'd take him
to every hospital in America
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586. to try to save him.
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587. We'll plead
to promoting a suicide.
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588. You'll plead
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589. to manslaughter one.
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590. We'll drop the other charges
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591. and we'll make
a sentencing recommendation.
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592. Bobby Holland intended
to shoot himself.
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593. Manslaughter one is an admission
my client intended to shoot him.
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594. He didn't shoot him
full of penicillin.
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595. We're finished here, Jack.
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596. Mr. Stone...
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597. I hope you never have to face
these choices yourself.
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598. I hope you never
see anybody dying
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599. the way I've seen
people die.
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600. But if you do,
I hope you have the courage
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601. to do whatever has to be done.
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602. And what is your position
at the hospice, Mr. Wellman?
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603. I counsel people
with AIDS.
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604. Over the past year
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605. how many people
have you counseled?
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606. Short-term, over 100;
long-term, perhaps two dozen.
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607. And how long
have you worked there?
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608. Eleven years.
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609. Everyone you care for is dying?
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610. We're all dying, Ms. Debakey.
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611. I mean the people in the hospice
are terminally ill.
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612. Most of those who come to us
will die within a year.
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613. Isn't it true
that many cancer patients
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614. experience excruciating pain?
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615. Yes, that's common.
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616. You ever counseled anyone
to commit suicide?
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617. Objection, Your Honor.
Relevance.
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618. This trial
isn't about the right to die.
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619. It's about whether the defendant
shot Bobby Holland.
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620. The issues surrounding
right-to-die are murky
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621. in this state, Mr. Stone.
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622. The testimony
seems to me relevant.
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623. The witness
will continue.
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624. I've counseled people
on suicide, yes.
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625. We call it "letting yourself
be snowed under."
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626. And what do you
counsel them?
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627. Well, we suggest
that they go to England
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628. where doctors have the right to
assist their patients in dying.
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629. Thank you.
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630. Mr. Wellman, have you ever given
to anyone in your hospice
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631. lethal chemicals, a gun,
any device
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632. that might help them
commit suicide?
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633. No.
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634. Why not?
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635. I've been told
it's against the law.
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636. We've established a hot line to
answer questions about AIDS.
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637. How many of those
calls have you answered
personally, Mr. Gordon?
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638. Thousands.
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639. I volunteer
three nights a week.
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640. I've been doing
it for seven years.
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641. Do the callers
ever ask you about suicide?
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642. Frequently.
And what do you tell them?
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643. That dying of AIDS
is a difficult death
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644. and that they have
the right to take their own life
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645. when the pain becomes too great.
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646. Your witness, Mr. Stone.
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647. Mr. Gordon, as a gay activist,
you're familiar
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648. with the current state
of treatment for AIDS?
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649. Reasonably.
And you're aware that A.Z.T.
and other drugs
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650. will prolong
the life of these patients?
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651. Yes.
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652. And that people have lived
with AIDS for several years?
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653. Yes, I know that,
but I also know
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654. that in the end,
it's a gruesome death.
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655. People with AIDS do not
go gently into that good night.
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656. But you also know that some gay
men, out of embarrassment,
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657. might not seek treatment,
and commit suicide instead.
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658. Are you in favor of that?
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659. I'm in favor of gay men
taking power over their lives.
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660. Uh, no more questions,
Your Honor.
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661. Excuse me.
Are you Ben Stone?
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662. Yes, sir.
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663. You gay-bashing
son of a bitch!
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664. Leave us alone
to run our own lives and deaths.
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665. It could get worse.
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666. You think
I need a police guard?
You think it's a joke?
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667. Gay activists
don't shoot people.
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668. I wouldn't be so sure
you're safe, Ben.
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669. Jack Curry has AIDS.
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670. Julia Debakey
just released it.
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671. It's time
to bail out of this.
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672. It just seems like revenge
at this point.
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673. Find us something, anything.
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674. Tonight?
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675. Go back over the evidence.
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676. Give us a reason to drop
the charges against Curry.
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677. Anybody got an idea
what we're looking for?
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678. Remeasure everything.
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679. Distance of the body
from the bed.
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680. Blood markings, all of it.
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681. And redust
for prints.
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682. Make a map
of where you get every print.
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683. How's the jaw?
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684. Only hurts
when I prosecute,
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685. so keep me out of court
until the swelling goes down.
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686. Two bookcases
were turned over—
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687. pushed from behind.
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688. Yeah, we redusted.
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689. Full palm prints
on the back of both.
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690. Both sets of prints
belong to Bobby Holland.
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691. Curry's prints weren't on them.
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692. Which means Holland
trashed the place himself
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693. to make it look
like a burglary.
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694. Which means
he wanted to die.
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695. Maybe to us.
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696. Meaning?
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697. It's convincing emotionally,
but not legally.
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698. The prints could have been
put there a year before.
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699. And as to state of mind,
he could have changed it
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700. the micro-second
before Curry pulled the trigger.
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701. But does it convince you?
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702. Curry's already under
a sentence of death.
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703. That's as much payment
as anyone could ask for.
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704. Drop it completely?
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705. It's the right thing to do.
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706. He pleads
to promoting a suicide.
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707. He does no time.
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708. Yeah.
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709. You got a copycat.
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710. A woman from Queens
just shot her retarded son.
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711. She says she got the idea
of a mercy killing
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712. from the Holland case.
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713. Well?
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714. We have no choice.
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715. We keep going.
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716. This morning I was just
another ruthless D.A.
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717. Now I'm running
the inquisition.
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718. Mr. Stone, why do you want
to put a dying man in jail?
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719. Mr. Stone,
if you were dying of AIDS
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720. would you want someone
to end your misery?
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721. Would you comment
on that, sir?
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722. Mr. Gordon asks do I want to put
a dying man in jail.
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723. The answer is no,
but we're asking
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724. a more important question
in this courthouse.
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725. Does Jack Curry have the right,
all by himself,
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726. to put a dying man in his grave?
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727. You allow regular customers
to charge their drinks?
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728. Well, not exactly charge.
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729. You got to make a
payment on your tab
every once in awhile.
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730. Did Bobby Holland
pay his bill regularly?
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731. He ran a tab
on and off
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732. for the last two
or three years.
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733. Paid a little on it
now and then.
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734. Never let it
get much over 100 bucks.
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735. Did that change, Mr. Rowan?
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736. Couple...
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737. a couple of weeks
before Bobby died
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738. he comes in,
he lays 120 on the bar
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739. and says this is for the bill
plus a tip for me.
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740. I said
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741. "Bobby, what,
you hit the lottery?"
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742. He said, "No. I just want
to pay my bill."
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743. After that, he paid cash.
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744. Your own son.
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745. He handed you the gun.
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746. What did you say?
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747. I told him I didn't think
I could go through with it.
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748. And what did he say?
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749. What words
did he use?
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750. He said, "Dad...
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751. "if you ever wanted
to do anything for me...
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752. do this."
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753. Thank you.
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754. No more questions.
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755. Mr. Holland,
I know this is difficult
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756. so bear with me.
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757. You testified that your son
wanted to shoot himself.
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758. He had a gun.
Why didn't he?
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759. Were his reasons religious?
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760. No.
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761. Was he worried about the pain
he'd cause other people?
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762. No.
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763. Then why do you think your son
was unable to take his life?
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764. He said he was afraid to die.
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765. Thank you, sir.
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766. Debakey's putting Curry
on the stand.
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767. Tough to win the hearts
and minds of a jury
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768. by cross-examining a guy
dying of AIDS.
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769. It's still a trial.
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770. And early in the disease,
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771. what symptoms
have you personally witnessed?
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772. Exhaustion, dizziness.
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773. The inability
to hold down food.
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774. Loss of weight
is the most visible symptom.
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775. And later
in the disease?
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776. A friend of mine—
I'd gone to college with him—
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777. he went blind
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778. and then he got pneumonia.
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779. Have you ever heard
what it sounds like
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780. when somebody is drowning?
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781. That's what
he sounded like
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782. for six weeks.
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783. You have been diagnosed
with AIDS, is that correct?
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784. Yes.
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785. What do you hope for?
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786. A cure.
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787. And if one does not
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788. come along soon enough?
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789. Hope I'll be lucky enough
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790. to find someone who will help me
commit suicide.
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791. No more questions.
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792. Your witness.
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793. Mr. Curry, who pulled
the trigger on the gun?
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794. Answer the question, please,
Mr. Curry.
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795. Me.
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796. Did Mr. Holland
have his hand on the gun at all?
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797. No.
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798. No more questions, Your Honor.
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799. You may step down,
Mr. Curry.
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800. Your Honor,
on the basis of new information
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801. the defense would like to call
an unscheduled witness.
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802. Detective Michael Logan.
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803. Mr. Stone?
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804. No objection, Your Honor.
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805. She has very
good sources.
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806. I'd like to know
who they are.
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807. Do you swear to tell the truth
and nothing but the truth,
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808. so help you God?
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809. I do.
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810. State your name.
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811. Michael Logan.
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812. Your Honor, I would like
Detective Logan treated as
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813. a hostile witness.
So noted.
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814. Tell the jury
your profession, please.
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815. I'm a detective with the New
York City Police Department.
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816. Detective Logan,
shortly after this trial began
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817. did you have a conversation
with Assistant District
Attorney Ben Stone
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818. about this case?
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819. Yes, I did.
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820. Tell us the substance
of your conversation.
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821. Do I have to answer that, Judge?
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822. Yes, you do, Detective.
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823. Answer the question,
Detective.
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824. Mr. Stone said he thought
continuing the prosecution
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825. seemed like revenge to him.
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826. And what was
his solution?
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827. Mr. Stone directed myself
and Sergeant Greevey
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828. to find a reason
for him to drop the charges
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829. against Jack Curry.
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830. Will the defendant please rise?
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831. On the first count
of the indictment—
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832. the charge of murder
in the second degree—
how does the jury find?
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833. Not guilty.
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834. On the second count—
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835. the charge of conspiracy
in the first degree—
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836. how does the jury find?
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837. Not guilty.
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838. On the third count—
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839. manslaughter
in the first degree—
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840. how does the jury find?
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841. Not guilty.
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842. On the fourth
count, the charge
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843. of criminally negligent
homicide—
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844. how does the jury find?
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845. Not guilty.
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846. On the fifth count—
promoting a suicide attempt—
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847. how does the jury find?
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848. Not guilty.
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849. On the sixth count—
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850. reckless endangerment
in the second degree—
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851. how does the jury find?
Guilty.
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852. That's it?
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853. Some people aren't going
to be happy.
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854. Depends on
what you want—
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855. vengeance or justice?
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856. Stone! Excuse me.
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857. Did you really think
that I was guilty of murder?
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858. We bring the charges when they
should be brought
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859. and then
let the people decide.
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860. Well, I may not have
a very long life left
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861. but it is my life.
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862. This wasn't a prosecution.
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863. This was a warning,
wasn't it?
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864. To anybody else thinking
about a mercy killing.
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865. What gave you the right
to use me?
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866. Unfortunately, you did.
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867. Not once, not twice,
but three times.
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868. Thanks, Adam.
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869. After all that,
misdemeanor.
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870. Six months suspended
with probation.
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871. No judge will put
Jack Curry
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872. in jail.
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873. If you had gone
only for manslaughter one
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874. the jury probably
would have found him guilty
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875. and he'd
have done time.
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876. I wonder who told a secretary
in your office
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877. to call me about
your conversation with Logan.
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878. I'll have to look into that.
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