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4. These are their stories.
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5. No!
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6. No!
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7. So he missed a lay-up
at the buzzer? So what?
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9. Some pituitary freak
makes more in 40 minutes
than I make all year.
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10. Who told you life was fair?
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11. Oh... another kid.
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12. Mother of God.
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14. How am I going to tell Denise?
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16. We'll tell her,
ma'am.
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17. How old is Andrew?
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18. Was.
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19. How old was he?
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20. 11 months.
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to his birthday.
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23. Who knows?
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26. Columbus Circle.
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27. They was roughhousing
over by the window.
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in his jumper."
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31. Excuse me...
Mrs. Winters?
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32. Hello?
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33. Sorry.
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34. Are you
Denise Winters?
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35. Sit down, please.
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36. Mrs. Winters,
there's been a shooting.
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37. Gregory?
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38. He's in
the hospital.
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39. Last we heard,
serious but stable...
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40. Wait. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Let me go!
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we'll take you to him...
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43. What you talking about?
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44. Andrew... he's dead.
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45. You're lying. You're lying.
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46. That's my baby.
My baby.
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47. No, not my baby.
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48. No... no.
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49. Not my...
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50. Oh, God, no!
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51. Six in one week.
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than Ethiopia.
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54. Anybody see anything?
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56. Slugs are
from an automatic.
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57. That's all we know. They go
through the door, hit the wall.
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58. They're too deformed
for a positive make.
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59. You don't have one slug
to get a match from?
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60. We might get one
from the baby.
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61. One went right
through him.
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in the base of his neck...
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63. they think.
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65. Not good.
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consciousness.
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67. Mushrooms.
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68. What?
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72. The mushrooms get in the way
of the bullets.
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73. A video game.
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74. That's hysterical.
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78. We're all tired.
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with automatic fire, you assume
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the stereo's up too loud.
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82. Nobody ever has a verbal
altercation anymore?
You notice that?
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83. Good fist fight.
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84. Somebody looks at you cockeyed,
you whip out a mac-10.
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85. Yeah.
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86. I got ten bucks says
the older brother's a dealer
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87. and this is just a payback.
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88. Judge Haberman, please.
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89. Tell him it's Cragen.
Captain Donald Cragen.
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90. I need a warrant.
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before somebody gets shot?
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95. With all due respect, ma'am,
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before somebody starts shooting?
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97. Max?
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98. Used?
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99. Hasn't been cleaned lately,
that's for sure.
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100. That ain't Gregory's.
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101. Belonged to Gregory's daddy.
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102. We kept it
for protection.
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103. Ain't got bullets no more.
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104. Yes, ma'am, I understand.
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105. But you still need a permit
for a handgun.
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106. What happened to the bike?
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107. What?
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108. Had an accident.
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109. You guys hang
with Gregory Winters?
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110. We know Gregory.
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building last night,
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live here?
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113. I look like a doorman?
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114. What about you?
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115. People come and go.
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117. I don't know.
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118. Mike, did you say something
about dealers?
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119. Why else are you
asking, then?
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120. Because a boy was hurt
and his brother was killed.
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121. Come on.
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122. What did you see?
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123. He didn't see nothing.
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124. Hey, who's asking you, pal, huh?
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this dude was sitting here.
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127. I never saw him before.
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129. He had some tracks
on the side
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130. and his mouth
was all sparked out.
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131. That's a checkerboard cut
and gold caps on his teeth.
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132. Gold caps.
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or dad around?
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134. You see him, Tonel?
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135. What, am I supposed to know
everybody in the neighborhood?
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136. to a murder.
No, just a possible accomplice
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137. That's enough.
He's only a boy.
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138. So were
the victims, ma'am.
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who ran out?
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140. Whoever it was ran him over.
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142. Ain't that enough?
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143. Do you know
what happens to him
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144. if those boys on the block
think he's a snitch?
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145. Let's go.
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146. Wait, wait, Tonel.
Just a second, all right?
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for a bad guy
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where would you start?
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149. You don't have
to snitch.
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151. Crack house
above the bodega.
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153. 99th and Manhattan.
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154. Raise up! Yo! Yo!
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155. Raise up! Raise up! Man!
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156. Police! Police!
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157. Get out of the way! Get out!
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158. Don't even breathe!
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159. Get your butt in here!
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160. Come here, come here,
up against the wall!
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Move it, now!
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Behind your head!
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Spread your legs.
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Let's go!
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Spread your legs!
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167. Mike!
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172. Yeah?
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173. What do you got?
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174. You believe this firepower?
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175. You guys are so trigger-happy,
why don't you join the Army?
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176. Nine-millimeter.
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177. Nice and clean,
hardly a scratch.
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in the boy's neck?
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179. Sometimes bullets take
a very strange route.
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180. This one corkscrewed down
into the right lung.
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181. We're lucky
we found it.
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for penetrating steel doors.
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186. That's terrific.
How good's the match?
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from the Winters kid?
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188. Fired from this gun,
no question.
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195. It's got your
fingerprints
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196. Maybe the gun killed him,
but not me.
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197. Roneld, stupid and tough
is a bad combination.
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198. Yeah, well, it works for you,
man, right?
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200. Yeah, he'll be the class clown
in Spofford.
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201. Yo, forget Spofford.
I ain't going to no Spofford.
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209. We need a motive.
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Saturday mornings
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but he ain't into no dope.
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220. but sometimes you can't tell
these kind of thing.
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221. Maybe you can't,
but I sure as hell can.
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a boy who may be cripple
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and to the hospital
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229. Gregory was on drugs?
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230. Maybe he brought this
on himself?
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was a classic point guard.
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you know what I'm saying?
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237. The kid was the brains
of this team.
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in a gang?
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239. He didn't have time
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were lame.
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hang out with a kid
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sparked-out teeth?
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243. That kind of crap's
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247. Gregory Winters is a good kid.
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of partial prints.
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for sure.
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a case against him?
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at least he knows who did.
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255. Hey, look, I would like
to have another crack at him.
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a parent is in the room.
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258. Otherwise, legally, the kid's
flapping his lips for nothing.
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trigger finger.
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261. Ronnie never
killed nobody.
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and a dope misdemeanor.
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two drugs.
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like a year minimum.
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270. You like it in prison, punk?
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exactly what you was looking...
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who pulled the damn trigger.
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273. Because it sure as hell looks
like your boy did it.
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is Dizz Williams?
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at them gold teeth.
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when you were on the stoop?
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299. And pretty soon,
you're going to have a number.
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300. You're under arrest
for the murder of Andrew Winter.
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to remain silent
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to answer questions.
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south Carolina till last night.
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out of the Winters family
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with your family?
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nothing about no shooting.
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was used in the shooting
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know nothing about—
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said he gave it to you.
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to ice a baby.
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down for someone else's bummer
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a witness that puts you there.
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nothing like this.
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you got to go...
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329. We can do plenty
when it comes
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Mr. Williams.
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331. And if you don't want
to blow parole, just shut up!
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Like I said, I don't know
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that he had the gun.
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have been from any time.
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who saw him at the shooting.
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not terrific on the stand.
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may not like kids with guns
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and they want a motive.
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a motive anyway?
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at my girlfriend— bam!
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his chops on this case.
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for myself.
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we'll put him away, Sergeant.
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a fight with you?
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he's 12.
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are up to their ears
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of stray bullets
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is laughing at us
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and we can't get him.
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of the rights and charges
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as an adult.
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in family court.
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a felony complaint
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Murder Two.
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can I get in a word here?
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both involving guns.
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propensity to violence.
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to Supreme Criminal
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due respect,
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pending trial.
So ordered.
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399. This is jive!
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this kid didn't do it.
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you're getting a lot of heat.
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the sermon, Alex.
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is totally unwarranted.
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out in front
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of the murder.
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who can see in the dark?
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is well lit.
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against me.
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to manslaughter two.
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my aunt Cecile's in Carolina.
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near New York City.
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talked to a guy named Summers.
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on the train
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four days
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and said he needed a burner.
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the burner from Roneld.
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a gun worth $1,500?
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to do the job?
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then I want him alone.
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on Jacob's place.
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a tec-nine.
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you're right,
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got idea one
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the Winters boys.
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on T-Ball?
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Gregory Winters?
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468. There's no indications.
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469. The Winters kid
been upgraded yet?
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470. Yeah, he regained
consciousness last night.
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471. Franklin Howard,
tall guy, thin?
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472. Sure you don't know him?
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473. I don't know him.
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474. Sorry.
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475. These things
have to be asked.
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476. How do you feel?
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477. Okay.
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478. Thanks, Gregory.
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479. Excuse me.
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480. Why do you people insist
on blaming my boy?
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481. I'm sorry.
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482. He doesn't know
these boys.
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483. He didn't do anything
to cause them
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484. to shoot up
the apartment.
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485. I know.
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486. Ben.
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487. Mr. Howard understands
that you can convict him.
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488. He's ready to deal.
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489. I thought
he might be.
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490. He names the buyer
of the hit,
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491. but he gets tried
as a juvenile.
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492. Not a prayer.
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493. We're in an
epidemic, Brian.
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494. He killed a baby.
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495. The older brother's
a paraplegic.
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496. It was a mistake.
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497. You want to explain that?
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498. Just make me an offer.
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499. Why?
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500. Trust me, Ben.
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501. You make a deal
you'll want the result.
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502. As in?
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503. As in you get a major dealer
off the streets.
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504. T-Ball's just a soldier.
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505. He can give you the general.
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506. Manslaughter one, he gets
sentenced in Supreme Court
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507. and he does
the youthful offender maximum.
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508. Deal.
I do this plea
and you're throwing curves.
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509. Believe me,
you won't regret it.
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510. I know they're screaming
for this kid's head, Adam,
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511. but they're better off
if we put away the dealer.
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512. I want them both.
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513. I want everyone.
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514. I want he kid
who gave him the gun
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515. I want the kid who pulled
the trigger and this pusher.
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516. So do I, but if we don't get
the guy who gave the order
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517. we have more crack,
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518. more contract killings,
more dead kids.
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519. What are they asking for?
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520. Man one.
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521. T-Ball gets three
and a third to ten.
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522. He does the whole ten.
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523. And he's not going
to boarding school, Adam.
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524. You and I wouldn't last
ten minutes in there.
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525. You sure this pays off?
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526. I think I can trust Doxsee.
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527. You think?
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528. I can't afford not to.
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529. He said he needed to get rid
of a business problem.
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530. Somebody burn him
on a drug deal?
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531. It was real estate.
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532. Said it was 300 large.
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533. Had you ever met Ingrams before?
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534. I've done some little jobs
for him.
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535. No hits.
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536. When I heard about this one,
I thought, if I had a gun...
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537. But you didn't know
a baby was behind the door.
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538. That's why I'm
talking to you, man.
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539. I didn't know.
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540. Ingrams gives me the address
of this guy he wants me to do—
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541. Mr. Kay.
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542. I'm supposed
to go air out his crib.
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543. So I go over there.
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544. I hear some voices inside,
but...
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545. just must have gone
to the wrong place.
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546. You thought a real estate tycoon
lived in the Winters' building?
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547. Like I told you,
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548. a mistake.
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549. What'd you do
with the address?
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550. I threw it away
after the thing went down.
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551. "This guy
he wants me to do"--
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552. it's not enough.
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553. It would be
if we could connect Ingrams
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554. with the mythical Mr. Kay.
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555. You want me
to have Ingrams brought in?
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556. Why? Have him go through
the motions of deny it?
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557. Do you think it's K,
like Murray the K
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558. or K-A-Y?
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559. Or with an E.
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560. There couldn't be more
than 1,000 variations
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561. in New York City.
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562. That's K-A-Y-E,
five boroughs.
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563. This must be 500 more names.
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564. Well, what do you want me to do?
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565. Start with Manhattan.
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566. Someone was hired
to kill a Mr. Kay.
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567. The hit man went
to 315 Jacobs Place.
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568. You live at 315 Jameson Place.
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569. So?
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570. My husband and I
are active
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571. in the reform democrats,
Mr. Robinette.
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572. We helped found
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573. the Carnegie hill
alternative school.
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574. We were once mentioned
in passing on Page Six
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575. but I doubt any of that
qualifies us for assassination.
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576. What kind of work
does your husband do, Mrs. Kay?
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577. Real estate.
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578. What?
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579. He's guilty of gentrification?
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580. I'm afraid it's going to be
much worse than that.
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581. A month ago Edward M. Kay
deposited 300,000
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582. into his corporate
checking account
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583. but he hasn't made
a sale since August.
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584. And the kid who did the hit
said he mentioned 300,000.
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585. Kay fronted as a buyer
of an apartment for Ingrams.
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586. 300,000 cash.
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587. It comes to closing.
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588. Kay doesn't show up
with the money.
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589. He stiffed him, Adam.
He stiffed a drug dealer.
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590. There's
your motive.
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591. And the kid shot up
the wrong apartment.
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592. Unbelievable.
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593. The Winters baby is dead
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594. because a 14-year-old hit man
went into the wrong place.
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595. Do you understand
these people?
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596. They live better
than 99% of humanity
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597. and they have to steal
from drug dealers.
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598. Ingrams will go up for murder,
one way or the other.
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599. If Mr. Kay decides
to testify.
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600. Real estate fraud—
not much to work with.
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601. Maybe Kay
has a conscience.
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602. Yeah, maybe he houses
the homeless in his basement
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603. but I wouldn't
count on it.
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604. I sold a nice two-bedroom
on West End Avenue
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605. to a young black man.
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606. That's a crime?
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607. When you steal
his money, it is.
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608. What stealing?
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609. We had a little problem
with the closing papers.
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610. This chamber of commerce routine
is getting on my nerves.
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611. In 1986 you were arrested
for cocaine possession.
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612. Ingrams your dealer?
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613. An arrest with no conviction
is not relevant here.
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614. It isn't?
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615. You do a little coke,
you figure, what the hell
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616. it's a victimless crime.
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617. You used drug money
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618. to buy real estate.
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619. You think
that makes it clean?
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620. An 11-month-old baby died
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621. because of your sins, Mr. Kay.
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622. If you want to talk
about his testimony...
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623. What did you do
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624. with the $300,000?
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625. You didn't cheat
some yuppie banker.
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626. Mr. Ingrams— he doesn't sue,
he hires a hit man.
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627. You haven't mentioned
any incentives for cooperation.
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628. No?
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629. Well, how's this?
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630. If your client
doesn't start talking now
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631. I'll tear his life apart.
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632. Real estate boards,
clients
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633. skeletons in the closet...
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634. light of day.
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635. Guaranteed.
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636. Ingrams came to me with 300,000
he wanted cleaned.
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637. I was in the middle
of a redevelopment project
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638. that is dying
for an infusion of cash.
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639. So you used Ingrams' money.
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640. I thought I could
turn it around.
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641. Get his money in and out
quickly.
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642. The market went soft.
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643. Lenders foreclosed
on the project.
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644. And the $300,000 went to them.
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645. Did Ingrams threaten you?
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646. Oh, no.
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647. No, no.
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648. I point my finger at him,
I'm dead.
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649. You help us out,
we'll put him away.
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650. And if you don't?
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651. And if you don't testify,
he'll get you sooner or later.
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652. I'd rather it was later.
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653. Well, you made your pitch,
Mr. Stone.
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654. And it didn't get through?
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655. I'd rather go to a loan shark
for the 300 grand
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656. than take on Mikeal Ingrams.
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657. Pick Ingrams up.
We have enough to charge him.
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658. Without Kay's testimony?
Come on, Paul.
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659. Ingrams is a maggot.
We can crush him.
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660. He doesn't know
Kay won't testify.
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661. We get him to plead
manslaughter
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662. he's off the street.
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663. At least Kay lives long
enough to change his mind.
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664. Sold.
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665. People versus Mikeal Ingrams.
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666. The charges are
murder in the second degree
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667. manslaughter in the first degree
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668. attempted murder
in the second degree
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669. and assault in the first degree.
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670. How does the defendant plead?
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671. Not guilty.
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672. On all counts,
Your Honor.
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673. I'm serving
grand jury notice
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674. upon defense counsel,
Your Honor.
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675. Do the people wish to be heard
on bail, Mr. Robinette?
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676. Your Honor, as a multiple
prior felony offender
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677. and a convicted
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678. narcotics trafficker
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679. Mr. Ingrams faces
mandatory life.
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680. The people request
he be held without bail.
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681. No, counselor.
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682. I believe a high bail
is appropriate in this case.
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683. Name a figure.
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684. The people ask
one million dollars, Your Honor.
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685. So ordered.
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686. You wanted
the whole package, Adam
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687. we delivered.
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688. So far.
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689. If this Ingrams hood
walks on a technicality
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690. all your good works
is bupkes.
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691. Offer him man two.
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692. He engineered the death of
an infant, for heaven sake.
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693. People will be outraged.
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694. People will forget
this outrage as soon as
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695. the next outrage
hits the front page.
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696. The Winters boy isn't
the only innocent victim
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697. in New York City.
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698. Man two
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699. and then go for
the max on sentencing.
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700. Forget it, Stone.
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701. You don't come running
with your hat in your hand
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702. from a position
of strength.
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703. You call this a position
of strength, counselor?
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704. We're offering a deal
so we can wrap this up.
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705. but if you
want to play games...
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706. What games?
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707. You've got the unsubstantiated
testimony of a little psycho
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708. who can't shoot straight.
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709. Let's get something
straight here, Mr. Stone.
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710. I'm not in short pants.
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711. T-Ball's testimony isn't
enough to convict me.
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712. Probably not.
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713. But Ned Kay's will.
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714. Ned Kay?
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715. He won't mess with my thing.
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716. I'm going back to my cell.
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717. Okay, so it's not an even bet.
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718. Even? I wouldn't
give you 20 to one.
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719. So Kay stole his money.
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720. But does a jury
believe he'd kill him?
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721. Ingrams is a drug dealer.
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722. Doesn't look like a drug dealer.
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723. You want me not to go to trial?
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724. Mr. Kay is still
a question mark.
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725. What have you got
on his finances?
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726. Is there a federal tax charge?
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727. The I.R.S.
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728. We do not let
tax evaders walk.
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729. If it's major fraud,
he goes to jail.
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730. Come on, Sam, you can still
make an example of him.
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731. No, never. Forget
about it. Go away.
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732. Take his money.
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733. Put him
in the poorhouse
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734. but don't send him
to jail.
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735. And what do you get?
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736. A dealer and a killer
off the street.
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737. Okay.
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738. But I want it
in writing
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739. in letters
eight feet high.
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740. When they go
for my neck
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741. I want yours
in the noose with me.
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742. Tax fraud, Mr. Morton.
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743. Your client goes away
for ten years.
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744. Ten years
in a federal country club.
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745. I can work on my tennis game.
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746. It's better than being dead.
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747. Suppose I convince the I.R.S.
Not to prosecute.
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748. I'll bite.
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749. Suppose you do?
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750. They take every dime.
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751. You don't even keep
the dishwasher.
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752. But if you testify
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753. you can move to Nebraska
the day the trial is over.
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754. You son of a bitch.
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755. You set this up.
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756. The deal is good
for 15 seconds.
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757. I keep the house in Sag Harbor.
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758. No, you don't.
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759. Ten seconds.
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760. The Mercedes.
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761. They take the Mercedes.
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762. Five seconds.
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763. When you told Mr. Ingrams
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764. that you were unable
to return his money
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765. how did he respond?
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766. He indicated
he would kill me.
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767. Objection. Indicated?
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768. When Mr. Kay continues,
I think you'll find it
admissible, Your Honor.
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769. I'll allow it.
Go ahead, Mr. Stone.
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770. How did he indicate it, Mr. Kay?
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771. He said he would have my place
aired out.
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772. No further questions.
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773. Mr. Kay, you testified
Mr. Ingrams said
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774. he'd air your place out.
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775. Could he have meant he'd
break all your windows?
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776. Don't be ridiculous.
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777. Please just stick
to yes or no.
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778. This cash you allege
came from the defendant—
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779. you said you used it to bail out
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780. one of your own projects,
is that right?
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781. Yes.
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782. Well, did you?
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783. Yes.
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784. At least, I tried, but...
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785. But what?
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786. Did your habit interfere
with business, Mr. Kay?
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787. Objection, Your Honor.
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788. Sidebar, Your Honor?
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789. What's this about?
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790. I'm going to impeach
his credibility, Judge.
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791. He's a cocaine user.
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792. Your Honor,
the people are aware
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793. of Mr. Kay's
'86 arrest
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794. but he was not
convicted.
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795. It's not relevant,
it's not admissible.
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796. Do you have an offer
of proof, counselor?
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797. Why don't we
just go to the record.
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798. Mr. Stone.
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799. Go ahead, Mr. Anson.
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800. Mr. Kay...
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801. under the name
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802. Edward M. Kayman,
you were convicted
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803. of possession
of a controlled substance
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804. in the state of Connecticut
in 1984?
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805. In fact,
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806. it was cocaine, was it not?
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807. Answer the question,
Mr. Kay.
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808. Yes.
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809. And later you legally
changed your name
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810. to Ned Kay, didn't you?
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811. Yes.
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812. Do you still use cocaine,
Mr. Kay?
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813. I respectfully
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814. refuse to answer,
on the, uh...
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815. Are you invoking
the Fifth Amendment
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816. against self-incrimination?
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817. Yes, sir.
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818. Did you pay
for cocaine
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819. out of any of the $300,000
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820. that you stole
from Mr. Ingrams?
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821. I respectfully refuse to answer
for the same reason.
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822. You refuse to answer
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823. but you expect us to believe
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824. that Mr. Ingrams threatened
to kill you.
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825. Objection,
Your Honor.
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826. Sustained.
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827. The jury will disregard
that remark.
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828. No further questions.
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829. So after Mr. Ingrams told you
to air out the dude's crib
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830. what did you do?
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831. I went up on the roof
and smoked some weed.
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832. Then I got the gun
from my stash.
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833. Which was where?
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834. In my locker in school.
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835. In school?
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836. And you rented this gun
from Dizz Williams, right?
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837. Then what did you do?
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838. I smoked
a little more weed
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839. then I went over
to do the do.
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840. Which was supposed to be
315 Jameson Place.
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841. Now you knew that
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842. because Mikeal Ingrams
wrote it out for you
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843. is that true?
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844. Yes.
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845. Then why did you go
to 315 Jacobs Place?
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846. Answer the question, Mr. Howard.
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847. It was a mistake.
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848. This is the correct address.
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849. Would you read that
out to the court, please?
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850. "315 Jameson Place."
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851. Right.
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852. Now would you read this?
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853. Objection.
Relevance, Your Honor.
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854. It goes to the factual elements
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855. of the crime charged,
Your Honor.
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856. I'll allow it.
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857. Just read the police report.
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858. You don't have to read
the big legal words.
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859. Just give us
the easy ones.
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860. Mr. Howard?
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861. You can't read, can you?
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862. You can't read anything?
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863. No.
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864. No further questions.
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865. Gregory Winters is a victim.
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866. His mother, Denise Winters,
is a victim, as well.
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867. And to a lesser extent
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868. Franklin "T-Ball" Howard
is a victim, too—
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869. a victim of circumstance,
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870. in which he learned
how to fire a deadly weapon
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871. before he learned to read.
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872. And then, of course,
there is Andrew Winters
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873. who would have celebrated
his first birthday not long ago.
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874. Now, maybe we've all become
so accustomed
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875. to slaughter in our streets,
in our subways, in our homes
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876. that it takes
the killing of a baby
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877. to snap us out of it.
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878. I don't know.
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879. What I do know
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880. is that when Mikeal Ingrams
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881. ordered the contract killing
of Ned Kay
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882. he was ordering the killing
of Andrew Winters.
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883. It doesn't matter
that the wrong person was hit.
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884. Mikeal Ingrams' intent
was to kill.
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885. And legally,
intent follows the bullet.
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886. In the eyes of the law
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887. Mikeal Ingrams
is guilty of murder.
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888. In the eyes of society
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889. he is guilty of the slaughter
of an innocent.
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890. Mr. Stone, do you think
the murder conviction
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891. will stand on appeal?
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892. Absolutely— there's no
reversible error here.
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893. Mikeal Ingrams is as guilty
of killing that little boy
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894. as if he'd pulled
the trigger himself.
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895. Mrs. Winters...
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896. were you satisfied
with today's verdict?
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897. I'm thinking...
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898. what about the boy
who did pull the trigger?
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899. He'll be back out
in seven years.
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900. My baby would have been
eight years old then.
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901. Would you be satisfied?
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