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Abortion is a sin!
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Abortion is a sin!
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19. Well, I'm not sure.
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my father had in mind.
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to 312 West 19th
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regarding bomb threat. Advise.
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44. I'm only asking
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carrying something—
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a large bag—
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of the ordinary.
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48. Yo!
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50. What do we got?
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lunatic—
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52. blowing up a room
with a lot of ladies in it.
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56. You got it—
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58. Terrific! The only thing
I like more than a bomber
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60. Timer?
Quartz alarm clock
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The Revolutionary Cookbook.
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if that's the main course,
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to see dessert.
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66. University of Manhattan.
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67. Sandra Turner...
21, 22 maybe.
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we get everybody out.
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on the phone before?
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to talk to somebody.
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carried the bomb in.
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had to happen.
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against abortion,
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individuals...
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these nuts?
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through the courts,
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reading anything
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in the bathroom.
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and they're angry.
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with a bomb?
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that's murder.
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in the last seven months,
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in the daytime.
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anti-abortion protest groups
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got an I.D.,
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122. Whatever she used,
it did a real job on her.
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to I.D. her?
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from charcoal.
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a preliminary report
tomorrow, but, uh...
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about the C.O.D.
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Cash? No wallet?
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in two years.
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Turner, Sheila..."
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university's card.
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are like a license—
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143. Let's hit some of those
anti-abortion groups.
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"Women for Life,"
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restoring Central Park
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in the subway fare
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from our trash.
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human life.
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go out of bounds.
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go out of bounds?
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to break the law?
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the murder of babies.
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in this country.
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That clinic was performing
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murdering anything.
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minutes away from here.
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don't you?
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abortion clinics?
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but I understand.
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belong to your group?
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171. Would you hand me that folder
over there, please?
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2,000 active members,
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come to our vigils
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contributions.
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went off?
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picketing that day.
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180. Am I a suspect, Detective?
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having tea.
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the system, the way we do,
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until proven innocent.
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every Wednesday.
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10:00 and 11:00.
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of the time?
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called Lazy Jane's?
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till 10:00.
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right after you?
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a couple of minutes later.
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a regular too?
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of times a month.
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with a Bendel's charge card.
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with her.
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right on the table.
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of a toaster oven.
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they'll legalize drugs.
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what you want,
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with who you want.
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wants an abortion
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was careless enough
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in the first place?
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abortions, or sex?
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I like sex.
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her whole life
by having a kid?
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doing what makes babies.
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have guns! Get real!
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be is more careful.
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221. Kids aren't careful.
That's why they're kids.
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didn't mention
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Miss Toaster Oven.
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is a bomber?
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them, don't you.
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ever have an abortion?
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with two kids—
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have time for this.
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to bother you,
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that no one saw her.
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didn't sign in.
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of a cheap Mob hit.
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the property clerk's office
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the dead girl's keys.
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250. How sweet it is.
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to driving this.
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afford the repairs.
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even afford the insurance.
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254. Bingo!
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Choices Center."
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scene unit down here.
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and pull some prints.
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260. Don't give yourself
an ulcer.
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Detective Logan.
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come home last night,
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a missing person report.
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to wait two days.
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hallowed be thy name.
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thy will be done
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as it is in Heaven.
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daily bread, and forgive us
our trespasses,
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who trespass...
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to a right-to-life group?
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about Mary...
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she teaches.
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to their work, their ideals.
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Mary wouldn't be in today?
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without your knowledge...
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at Mary's room.
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about privacy.
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it doesn't matter
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into her room now.
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to deliver a bomb?
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her own idea.
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how to make one?
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taught her about timers.
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to take a while.
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that her daughter is dead?
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with her.
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owns a lumber company.
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about Mary's friends,
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was close to?
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of coffee this morning
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walked over to the sink,
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the drain.
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what the hell
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Highway on my way here.
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to get off.
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to 96th Street.
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I had a sister and now I don't.
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the two of you?
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she'd have a big family.
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anti-abortion groups?
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to any organized groups?
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329. Fine! I think Mary's
paid for her crime in full.
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330. Don't you, Detective?
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she was in this alone.
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332. Don't you want the people
who helped to kill your sister
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of a group,
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St. Aloysius.
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to grow up.
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in hearts and flowers
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at another guy.
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on his income tax.
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to let somebody
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like this, it's...
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a sweet kid.
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world was parochial school.
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could be solved
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going to be here yesterday?
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you know how hard it is
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357. They ask for a day off,
they get it.
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Patrick Dunne.
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in the hallway,
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is not appropriate behavior.
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in the Times.
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and I think it's immoral
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mention a woman
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whether I carry
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Detectives, the answer is no.
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group have any?
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Thank you.
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deeply committed individuals.
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391. Some carry false identification
and jump bail.
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is that Mary Donovan,
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to save the unborn.
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of her methods
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when you had brunch,
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someone else being there...
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a large package.
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I had breakfast with my sister.
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Celeste McClure.
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the community garden,
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on what you're selling.
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but I wish I had.
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426. Innocent people
could've been killed.
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threw that bomb,
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being killed every day.
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430. At Lazy Jane's, when you had
brunch with Rose Schwimmer,
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the box you had?
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For protesters.
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to save lives.
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to save lives.
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in the only cause that counts.
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wedding ring.
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or your wife
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442. No,
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tossing bombs either.
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any more questions,
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447. Now all she needs
is the diesel fuel.
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a good question she asked
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450. Suppose some boyfriend
knocked her up?
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451. Look...
we are not
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my daughter,
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with my wife,
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of an abortion clinic.
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to the job, all right?
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I have a green thumb to you?
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460. You must be one
hell of a gardener.
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in your backyard?
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for tropical plants.
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in Hawaii.
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465. Quite a record Miss Schwimmer's
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466. got here, huh?
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467. Trespassing,
disturbing the peace,
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468. harassment.
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469. For such a "non-violent person,"
she sure does get around.
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470. I've seen
armed robbers
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471. who got shorter
rap sheets than this.
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472. McClure's got nothing
but a dismissed trespass.
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473. It's a big step
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474. from there
to armed robbery.
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475. Yeah? Well, Donovan's
completely clean.
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476. She doesn't even
have a traffic ticket.
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477. But she was willing to go all
the way up to arson and murder,
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478. even with Mr. Clean
for her boyfriend.
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479. The methods are wrong,
but they're trying to prevent...
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480. Come on, spare me the rhetoric,
all right, man?
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481. I don't consider abortion
murder.
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482. If a woman wants one,
that's her right to choose.
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483. Not yours, not mine
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484. and certainly not
Miss Rose Schwimmer.
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485. I don't care what you believe,
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486. trying to prevent
abortions by bombing
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487. goes way too far—
I don't even know
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488. how you can even sit here
and defend it!
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489. You and I both know
they didn't mean to hurt...
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490. No, I don't know that,
okay?
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491. Only an idiot thinks
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492. bombs don't
hurt people!
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493. Come on, tell me
more— come on!
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494. Lab report just came in.
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495. The fertilizer's a match
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496. on the bomb, and they got
a bunch of good, latent prints
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497. on the bag—
all the same woman.
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498. And they're a match for the
partial on the bomb fragment.
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499. Now, if you two could manage
not to kill each other,
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500. maybe you could pick up McClure
and see if her prints match.
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501. We're not saying
it's a slam dunk.
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502. Slam dunk? A bag of fertilizer
and a couple of prints?
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503. Right now, I'd have a hard time
convicting Celeste McClure
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504. of bad gardening.
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505. I'm trying to make this work
beyond just an indictment.
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506. You don't like it, don't file.
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507. That's just fine with me.
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508. You in favor of people
planting bombs, Sargeant?
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509. Careful, Counselor.
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510. All I'm saying
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511. is that these women
are true believers,
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512. and, so far, they've hurt no one
but each other.
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513. Yeah, talk about dumb luck.
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514. Gentlemen.
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515. McClure made the bomb.
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516. Donovan muled it.
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517. Schwimmer ordered it.
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518. You want my advice?
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519. Offer McClure a plea.
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520. She'll take it.
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521. She wants to be a martyr.
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522. Celeste McClure,
the charges are conspiracy
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523. in the third degree,
reckless endangerment
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524. in the second degree,
arson in the second degree.
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525. How does the defendant plead
on the first count?
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526. Not guilty on all
counts, Your Honor.
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527. We request release
of the defendant on
her own recognizance.
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528. Based upon what, Mr. Ballard?
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529. These are two serious
felony charges here.
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530. Based on that fact that this is
a political prosecution.
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531. You're not on trial yet,
Counselor.
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532. Your Honor,
if it please the court,
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533. Miss McClure is a young woman
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534. with no previous
criminal record
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535. and close ties
to the community.
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536. Mr. Stone?
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537. People have no objection
to minimum bail, Your Honor.
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538. Then bail is set at $10,000,
cash or bond.
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539. Short date.
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540. Thanks for the bail
recommendation.
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541. Not at all, sir.
Martyrs don't run.
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542. How can you allow yourself
to be used like this?
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543. If you're going to stick
your finger in my eye,
Mr. Ballard,
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544. clean your own nails first.
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545. It seems to me the only reason
for this prosecution
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546. is to make the right-to-life
movement look bad.
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547. That will get you
in the papers
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548. but it won't help
your client and
it's not true.
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549. Look, McClure didn't plant
that bomb, Mary Donovan did.
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550. McClure made the bomb.
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551. The best you can get,
if you believe she's guilty:
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552. conspiracy six,
arson four.
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553. Are you accusing me of
filing inflated charges?
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554. I'm only saying you're
going to cost the state
a lot of money,
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555. merely to get her
on probation.
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556. If probation will keep
a bomb out of that
woman's hands,
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557. I think it's worth
the money.
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558. These people
aren't criminals.
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559. What are they?
Mary Poppins?
Mother Theresa?
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560. They are exercising
their right of free speech.
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561. Throwing a bomb is
a little non-verbal
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562. to qualify
as speech, sir.
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563. Sure you don't want
to recuse yourself?
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564. That's insulting.
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565. I'm personally
against abortion
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566. means I can't prosecute
a bomber?
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567. What I believe doesn't matter.
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568. I represent the law.
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569. Amazing.
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570. I'm getting angry.
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571. It's the most emotional issue
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572. that the law has dealt with
since suffrage.
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573. Look at us—
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574. three men talking
about what rights
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575. women should have
over their own bodies.
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576. Now, doesn't that strike you
as a little one-sided?
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577. Adam, I've already told you
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578. my personal feelings
have no impact
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579. on my ability
to prosecute a criminal case.
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580. And I have never said
that a woman does not have
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581. the right to choose.
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582. Fine. Wonderful.
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583. You feeling shaky
on the conspiracy charge?
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584. You better tie
the bomb maker
to the bomber
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585. with a little more
than what you got there.
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586. We prove McClure made the bomb,
Donovan delivered it...
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587. And what about Schwimmer?
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588. That's flimsy.
And it's risky.
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589. We tie her into the picture,
it doesn't work...
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590. I wouldn't go even
for an indictment
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591. with what we got now.
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592. But?
It is a conspiracy,
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593. and I want
to make it stick!
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594. Forensics ever send over
a print report?
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595. Finally. There's another
set of prints
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596. along with Mary Donovan's
on that I.D. card.
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597. We don't figure out
who they belong to,
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598. Ballard will say someone else
was in league with Mary.
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599. Yeah, get a print workup
on everybody who knew her.
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600. You argue with Schiff
a lot on this.
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601. Yeah.
You agree with him?
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602. Oh, come on, Ben, that's
not an issue for me.
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603. I'm not for abortion,
I'm for birth control.
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604. I got your fertilizer.
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605. Make me happy.
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606. McClure bought one bag
from the same supplier
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607. who sells to the
community garden.
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608. Ordered it herself.
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609. She didn't happen
to sign the...
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610. You just made me very happy.
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611. The only deal
we're interested in
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612. is you drop everything, don't
even go to the grand jury.
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613. Put your emotions
in your briefcase
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614. for a couple of minutes.
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615. This case is
about emotion.
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616. I hope you know your law
better than that, Mr. Ballard.
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617. I know juries
are swayed by it.
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618. It's your gamble, Mr. Ballard.
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619. Miss McClure,
you and Mary Donovan
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620. bombed the clinic.
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621. Mary Donovan is dead
and you're not.
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622. She's a nice young lady.
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623. She made a mistake.
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624. I hope you're
not going to let her
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625. take the fall
all by herself.
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626. All she has to do
is name who ordered it.
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627. It doesn't matter
what happens to me.
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628. The babies matter.
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629. Arson in
the second degree
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630. is a Class B felony.
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631. I assume Mr. Ballard
told you the sentence
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632. if you're convicted.
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633. Six years in jail.
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634. Six years in prison,
Miss McClure.
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635. May we leave now, Mr. Ballard?
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636. 23 years old.
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637. She can't even imagine
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638. what six years of hard time
is like.
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639. Somebody's using her.
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640. Schwimmer?
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641. An hour ago, I didn't know,
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642. but now— even money.
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643. Still, it usually
doesn't work this way.
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644. Usually, the criminal
doesn't want to go to jail.
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645. McClure does.
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646. And she'll become a martyr.
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647. She'll never give up
on Schwimmer.
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648. She won't give anybody.
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649. Except herself.
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650. It's about morality for her,
not legal compromise.
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651. So why don't we turn this
around?
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652. Let's try a reverse.
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653. I'm not part of any conspiracy,
Mr. Robinette.
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654. You understand,
Miss Schwimmer,
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655. we're going to request
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656. the maximum sentence
for Celeste McClure.
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657. You might ask your attorney
what that means.
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658. First, you have
to get a conviction
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659. with very thin evidence.
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660. Evidence we think a jury
will find convincing.
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661. Celeste McClure
will go to prison
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662. for a long time.
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663. People in this state
would never forget her.
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664. Fine—
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665. make her a martyr—
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666. but Celeste McClure
is a young kid.
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667. Are you going
to let her rot behind bars?
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668. Rose, don't say anything
until we've talked.
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669. This meeting
is over.
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670. You never heard their names
mentioned?
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671. Schwimmer or McClure?
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672. Never.
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673. Anything you remember
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674. about the day
of the bombing?
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675. Anything you've thought about
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676. since you talked with
the police?
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677. Mary said she was
taking the day off.
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678. Shopping.
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679. Patrick, her boyfriend,
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680. he came to drive her
to school.
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681. They had an argument
outside.
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682. Couples have arguments.
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683. It was serious enough, Geoffrey,
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684. for Kevin
to try to break it up.
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685. Your son here that early
in the morning a lot?
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686. He stops by
occasionally.
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687. Not that often.
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688. What was the argument
about?
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689. Something Patrick
had with him.
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690. Nothing.
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691. An envelope.
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692. Nothing?
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693. So why did we
hear them yelling?
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694. Our daughter
did what she did
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695. out of her own conscience.
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696. We can live with that.
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697. You can live
with that, Geoffrey.
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698. A martyr will never
be able to tell me
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699. what a wonderful day she had
at school yesterday.
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700. A martyr
will never have a wedding.
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701. A martyr will never
have children.
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702. I wanted to go to Barbados.
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703. I brought her a brochure.
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704. I thought it would convince her.
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705. That's what was in the envelope.
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706. That's all it was about?
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707. Her parents...
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708. She felt it would
look bad
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709. if we went together
not married.
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710. She said I was
being insensitive
to their feelings.
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711. I had it all planned—
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712. a romantic place...
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713. It's stupid.
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714. I guess I felt I needed
the right setting.
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715. I was going
to ask her to marry... me...
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716. It wasn't that big a fight.
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717. So why did you
get involved?
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718. I went out to talk to them.
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719. Your mother
heard you yelling.
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720. Patrick said your
sister was upset.
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721. There was no fight.
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722. You're lying, Kevin.
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723. What are you gonna do?
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724. You want to charge me
with the bombing
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725. of the clinic?
You can count on it
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726. if I find you're
covering up a crime.
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727. I don't know anything
about the bombing.
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728. We'll call you
if we need you.
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729. The Donovan I.D.,
the other fingerprints—
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730. Got a match?
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731. Just came in
from Washington.
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732. He'd been
in the army.
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733. Who?
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734. The boyfriend,
Patrick Dunne.
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735. By themselves,
the fingerprints aren't proof.
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736. She could have
shown him the card
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737. without telling him
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738. she was going to use it
to plant a bomb.
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739. We need
something else.
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740. Yeah, the brother
has a story,
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741. the boyfriend another.
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742. What about if we arrest
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743. Patrick as a co-conspirator?
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744. Based on the prints?
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745. I don't want him arraigned
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746. if you don't think
he's guilty.
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747. I don't know
if he's guilty,
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748. but let's arrest
him anyway.
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749. Not arraign him
till tomorrow,
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750. put him in a room
with Kevin...
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751. We'll see what
shakes loose.
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752. Yeah.
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753. The charge
is arson and conspiracy.
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754. I'm not involved
in that bombing.
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755. You can call your lawyer
in a few minutes.
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756. Easy.
This is unbelievable.
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757. What's he
doing here?
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758. Is he
being arrested too?
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759. Arrested?
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760. Mary's false I.D. card,
Kevin.
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761. Patrick's fingerprints
are on it.
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762. Did you get it for her
so she could do the bombing?
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763. It makes you a
co-conspirator,
Patrick.
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764. I'm not going to jail, Kevin.
I can prove
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765. I wasn't involved...
Don't tell them
anything.
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766. Mary wasn't...
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767. Shut up! Shut up!
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768. All he wants
is for her to be a martyr
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769. instead of a sinner.
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770. She didn't go there
to bomb the clinic.
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771. She was pregnant.
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772. She was there
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773. to have an abortion.
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774. She was there to kill our baby.
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775. She was ashamed.
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776. She thought if her parents
found out, they would...
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777. But you wanted
to marry her.
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778. That would've
solved everything.
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779. Doesn't matter.
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780. The baby comes early,
everybody knows.
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781. So under a false name,
she'd have an abortion?
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782. That morning,
I gave her the I.D.
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783. and the money,
so that she could...
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784. I pleaded with her
to at least let me take her.
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785. I pleaded.
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786. With arson,
you could be a martyr;
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787. with conspiracy,
you could still be a martyr.
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788. But, Miss McClure, now...
now we are talking about murder.
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789. I didn't kill anybody.
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790. Mary Donovan
did not get hit by a car.
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791. Tell her, Mr. Ballard.
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792. It's not six years
in jail anymore, Miss McClure.
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793. You'll never get her
for manslaughter.
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794. Manslaughter?
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795. We are now talking
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796. about murder
in the second-degree—
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797. depraved indifference
to human life.
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798. You're out of your mind.
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799. 15 years to life
behind bars.
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800. Now, I don't want
to put you in prison,
Miss McClure,
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801. but somebody killed
Mary Donovan.
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802. An innocent woman died—
that is murder.
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803. That makes you no better
than the people you oppose.
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804. Counselor, she's a kid—
you said so yourself.
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805. Mary Donovan was a kid too.
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806. Ask her parents.
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807. All right, she pleads
on all three counts outstanding,
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808. you recommend minimum sentences,
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809. she testifies against nobody.
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810. If this was Schwimmer's idea,
she testifies against her.
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811. We drop down to conspiracy six,
arson four.
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812. She pleads to criminally
negligent homicide,
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813. she does six months.
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814. Celeste, do you understand?
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815. If I thought
anyone would get hurt,
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816. I wouldn't have given Rose
the bomb.
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817. The charges here are conspiracy
in the second degree,
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818. arson in the second degree,
murder in the second degree.
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819. Does the defendant
wish to enter a plea?
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820. Not guilty, Your Honor.
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821. If it pleases the court,
we're requesting bail.
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822. Mr. Stone?
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823. Your Honor, Miss Schwimmer
has been convicted
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824. of several misdemeanors and has
made every court appearance.
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825. However,
in our experience,
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826. activists accused
of more serious crimes
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827. have sometimes decided
to work for their cause
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828. from behind the scenes—
far behind.
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829. Therefore,
The People recommend
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830. the defendant
be held without bail.
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831. Your Honor,
there's no reason to believe
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832. the defendant is
a flight risk.
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833. Mr. Stone, I'm inclined to agree
with Mr. Molloy.
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834. What applies generally,
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835. may not apply specifically
to this defendant.
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836. I understand,
Your Honor.
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837. But this is a homicide,
Mr. Molloy,
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838. with two additional
felony charges.
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839. Bail is set at...
$300,000.
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840. And regardless
of your personal feelings,
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841. you are not being asked
to decide a moral issue,
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842. you are being asked
to decide a legal issue.
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843. The crime is the murder
of a young woman
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844. by an exploding bomb
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845. and that woman—
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846. Miss Rose Schwimmer—
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847. is accused of placing a bomb
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848. with depraved indifference
to human life—
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849. indifference to anyone
it might hurt.
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850. Now, you may hear arguments
that the ends justify the means,
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851. that an illegal act
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852. is somehow justified
by a moral cause.
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853. If you are even tempted
to agree with that argument,
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854. please remember:
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855. killing is not only
against the law,
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856. it is also immoral
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857. and if anyone suggests to you
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858. that morality and law
are somehow in conflict,
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859. I ask you to remember that.
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860. Is fertilizer and diesel fuel
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861. a commonly known
explosive?
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862. They blow mountains apart
with it.
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863. Did you find
actual pieces of the bomb?
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864. That's correct—
fragments of it were coated
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865. with the fertilizer compound.
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866. Did you make a comparison
between that compound
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867. and the fertilizer taken
from the community garden?
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868. I did.
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869. What were
the results?
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870. They were
hemically identical.
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871. Thank you.
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872. No further questions,
Your Honor.
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873. Mr. Olivera, is the chemical
in the fertilizer in question
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874. available as a chemical
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875. other than
in that particular fertilizer?
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876. Yes.
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877. Other manufacturers
make the same formulation.
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878. And is it also available
just as a chemical compound
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879. that has nothing to do
with fertilizer?
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880. Yes.
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881. So the nitrate
in the bomb
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882. could've come from
somewhere else,
isn't that right?
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883. It's remotely possible—
one in a million.
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884. Thank you.
No more questions.
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885. Demanding police protection
for abortion clinics,
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886. an estimated
10,000 pro-choice demonstrators
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887. marched down Tenth Avenue.
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888. It's only going
to get worse.
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889. Luckily, that ain't
my problem.
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890. We're willing
to consider a plea—
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891. manslaughter two.
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892. Mary Donovan
was the perfect martyr.
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893. You should've
left it that way.
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894. And you, hiding behind
a dead woman?
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895. I don't think the jury
will like that.
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896. Mary Donovan was ready
to kill her baby.
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897. Will the jury
like that any better?
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898. Mary Donovan is not
on trial here.
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899. She will be.
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900. She conspired to commit murder.
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901. Are you admitting
that Mary didn't plant the bomb?
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902. In this state,
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903. capital punishment
is against the law.
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904. Yet you're ready to risk
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of capital punishment
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906. against people you consider
deserving of it?
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907. They do deserve it.
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908. This isn't getting us anywhere.
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909. Come on, Rose.
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910. Miss Schwimmer?
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911. I think you should reconsider.
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912. I don't make deals
with the devil.
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913. Two-and-a-half months ago,
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914. did Miss McClure come
into your store
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915. and place her usual order?
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916. Yes, she did.
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917. Did she add
anything unusual to it?
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918. Objection—
characterization.
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919. Sustained.
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920. Did Miss McClure's purchases
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921. include anything
she did not make
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922. on a regular basis?
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923. Yes, a 50-pound bag
of fertilizer
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924. with a special nitrate formula.
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925. Did that strike you
as strange?
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926. It's used mostly for palm trees.
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927. I told her it would
kill her plants.
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928. I had to special-order it.
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929. On that day, when Miss McClure
ordered the fertilizer,
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930. was anyone with her?
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931. Yes.
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932. Is that person
in this courtroom?
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933. Yes.
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934. Would you point that person out
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935. for the jury?
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936. She's sitting right over there.
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937. Your Honor, may
the record show
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938. that she's pointing
to the defendant?
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939. Let the record
so indicate.
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940. Rose said... talking, marching—
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941. it wasn't stopping
the abortions.
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942. She was right.
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943. Every day, more babies
were being murdered.
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944. Did Miss Schwimmer
talk about the bombings
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945. in front of the other members
of Women for Life?
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946. She said
they wouldn't understand.
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947. And...
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948. that if it was
just the two of us,
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949. nobody would find out.
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950. When did you give
Miss Schwimmer the bomb?
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951. I met her
for brunch that morning...
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952. at Lazy Jane's
on Seventh Avenue.
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953. And tell the jury
what happened then.
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954. Miss McClure?
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955. Rose said she would go out
the back door.
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956. It's next to the ladies' room.
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957. She said she could
get down the alley
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958. and back within ten minutes.
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959. She told me
to wait for five minutes
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960. and then call the clinic
and warn them.
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961. Did you make
the call?
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962. Yes.
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963. Your Honor,
I would like
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964. to enter into evidence
telephone company records
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965. showing calls made
from the pay phone
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966. of the Lazy Jane restaurant
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967. on the day
of the bombing.
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968. And no further questions,
Your Honor.
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969. Is defense ready
for its summation?
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970. Your Honor, at this time,
against advice of counsel,
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971. the defendant wishes to testify
in her own behalf.
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972. Miss Schwimmer,
you realize
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973. you will be subject
to cross-examination?
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974. I do, Your Honor.
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975. I urge you
to reconsider.
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976. Listen to advice of counsel.
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977. However, I won't prevent you
from testifying.
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978. Do you swear to tell the truth,
so help you God?
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979. I certainly do.
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980. Miss Schwimmer,
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981. did you conspire
with Celeste McClure
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982. to bomb the Chelsea
Women's Choice Center,
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983. as well as seven other
abortion clinics?
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984. Yes, I did.
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985. Then you're guilty of the
charges leveled against you?
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986. Not before God.
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987. Can you explain why you're
innocent before God?
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988. Objection—
this case is being judged
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989. on the temporal plane,
Your Honor.
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990. Sustained.
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991. How dare you object, Mr. Stone.
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992. We've done our homework.
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993. You were baptized,
you go to communion
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994. and you prosecute me?
That's enough.
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995. All the abortions in that clinic
are murder and you know it.
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996. Your Honor?
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997. Miss Schwimmer!
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998. Mary Donovan's death was tragic
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999. but if it prevents one abortion
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1000. the scales are balanced.
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1001. Abortion must end.
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1002. Miss Schwimmer,
that will be all!
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1003. Are we a nation
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1004. who can
tolerate the abortionist
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1005. sticking his hand
in a mother's womb
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1006. and strangling God's creation?
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1007. The court officer
will remove Miss Schwimmer!
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1008. Your Honor,
I have only one question
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1009. to ask of the defendant.
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1010. Which is?
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1011. If abortion is murder,
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1012. no matter how you feel
about Mary Donovan,
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1013. aren't you guilty of the
murder of her unborn child?
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1014. On the first count
in the indictment,
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1015. the charge of conspiracy
in the second degree,
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1016. how do you find?
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1017. We find the defendant guilty.
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1018. And the second count—
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1019. the charge
of arson in the second degree,
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1020. how do you find?
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1021. We find the defendant guilty.
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1022. Third count— murder
in the second degree,
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1023. how do you find?
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1024. We find the defendant
guilty.
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1025. What do we say to people
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1026. who know she committed
a criminal act
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1027. but don't think
she's a criminal?
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1028. That's easy:
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1029. A criminal is someone
who commits a criminal act—
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1030. for any reason.
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1031. But up until Roe v. Wade,
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1032. the abortionists
were the criminals.
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1033. And if the law
hadn't changed,
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1034. there never would've
been a bombing.
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1035. If the law hadn't changed,
I'd be a slave.
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1036. You can't turn back the clock.
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