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in Pennsylvania.
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they were married back in,
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in a bigger house
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that's right near the little house
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they partly gave it to us
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Glen's kids more,
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all of our summers right by them,
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because I liked them, and...
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my own personal space, you know?
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everybody, hey, come on in,
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that gets so cold in the winter,
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there's all this moisture,
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of cool air,
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Glen's parents,
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almost every night for dinner.
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It, uh...
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to sleep in the country
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a lot, Glen's dad.
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so Roger would come over
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around the little house,
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let go of the feeling
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and sit and watch everybody
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on their face,
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he would talk and tell stories.
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from another time,
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just being an asshole,
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to know somebody
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head start on you.
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to talk to a time machine.
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stuff around the house,
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and he would talk while he worked.
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his muscles, his body.
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his shirt off after a while,
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84-year-old body
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about his past in the Navy
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that it was me that he was telling.
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'cause he wasn't looking back.
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to fix the porch boards,
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truck that he has.
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from all the way down the hill.
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and then there's nothing
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their place and ours.
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I hear that little engine,
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when he comes up the hill.
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the kids out on the lake
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and I'm sunbathing out on the lawn,
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the sun on my body
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in my only bikini that I ever—
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on the inside of my thighs,
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to be in the woods
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legs open and...
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with my eyes closed.
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right where he's gonna pull in,
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and lay here like a lady does.
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oh, well, what if I don't?
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and my legs open
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like I was sleeping,
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an orgasm just laying there.
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and slam shut,
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- You probably think I hate you,
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a little bit.
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I'm sure you do.
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weren't sleeping,
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and sweet Beth and the kids?
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little family alone.
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and here I came,
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I watched him work.
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but this time, when he talked to me,
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and he asked me things
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is that all that happened?
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He... left,
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even though I—
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we'd be having our time
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he likes to cook,
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Roger calls the house,
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he just comes over.
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and Glen says, "What'd he say?"
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and I say to Glen,
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and the kids, starting at 7:00."
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and now it's getting close to 11:00
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What do I do? What do—
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and said that he was coming
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and he thought that it was shameful
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that I was sleeping.
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feel ashamed,
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that he had called the house
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and I am so afraid, I run upstairs,
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what does a woman wear
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the old guy down the hill
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he's— he's down there.
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hi, hello?
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in my bra and panties
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"I'm just gonna get started,
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listening to him shuffle around,
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stirring it.
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running through my body
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between my legs and...
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and this house is so old, so small, so—
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the floors are thin.
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it made this noise,
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like 10 feet away from me,
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touching myself
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and I made a sound— I—
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I— I— I stop, I mean, I freeze.
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the table and sit down,
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of the chair creak
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and— and, um...
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of clothes and then nothing,
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that he's sitting in that chair,
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that I know.
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he's guessing what I'm doing up there
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just totally shocked,
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that any of this is going on
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I came like crazy.
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any noise at all.
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but my God, Horace,
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and go back to work,
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and— and I go in the bathroom,
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I'm just trying to be normal,
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footsteps, loud, loud,
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if Glen found out
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just like be the end of life.
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I don't know what to do.
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I cried so hard till morning,
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- And I thought of you, Horace,
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to the family, you know,
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oh, Jesus Christ.
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and I married him.
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that age do what you want.
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how was that like for you?
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thought about how—
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Copy !req
420. - Okay.
- Okay.
Copy !req
421. What, did you go jerk off
or something?
Copy !req
422. - Ha.
- Ha ha.
Copy !req
423. - Well, my head is clear now.
- Okay.
Copy !req
424. - Yeah.
- And— and I am sorry.
Copy !req
425. - Okay, it's all right, it's all right.
Copy !req
426. So you're in a— you're in
a pretty fucked up situation.
Copy !req
427. - Yes, I am, yes, I am.
- Well, I know how that feels.
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428. - Yes, you do.
That's why—
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429. - Okay, well, look, Sarah.
Copy !req
430. I mean...
Copy !req
431. you know, it's funny,
we never talked about it.
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432. - That's true.
Copy !req
433. - Well, look, let me—
let me just say this off the bat, okay?
Copy !req
434. If you keep doing this with this guy,
Copy !req
435. and I'm not judging you,
obviously.
Copy !req
436. I mean, people do what they—
they do what they do.
Copy !req
437. But you really have two choices.
- Mm-hmm.
Copy !req
438. - Stop and forget about it,
Copy !req
439. or keep doing it, in which case,
everybody's gonna know.
Copy !req
440. - Oh, my God.
- Well, come on, Sarah.
Copy !req
441. There's no other way.
Copy !req
442. I mean, you know it.
Copy !req
443. If you keep fucking this guy,
someone's gonna find out,
Copy !req
444. which means
everyone's gonna find out,
Copy !req
445. and then all the worst things
that you're imagining,
Copy !req
446. they're all gonna happen.
Copy !req
447. So if you keep doing it—
Copy !req
448. And again, God bless,
do what you gotta do.
Copy !req
449. But it's all gonna happen,
all that awful stuff,
Copy !req
450. so you need to reconcile with that
Copy !req
451. and start thinking about how
you're gonna deal with it,
Copy !req
452. or stop.
Copy !req
453. - That's not really a choice.
Copy !req
454. - Yeah, I know.
Copy !req
455. None of it is a choice.
You can't stop.
Copy !req
456. - No.
- I know.
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457. - I mean, he's just beautiful,
he smells good.
Copy !req
458. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay.
- I— I— I—
Copy !req
459. I know what you're saying is true.
Copy !req
460. I know what I need to do.
Copy !req
461. I can't do it.
Copy !req
462. So I'm not asking what I should do.
Copy !req
463. - You're asking...
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464. How did I not kill myself?
Copy !req
465. Jesus.
Copy !req
466. I remember feeling like that.
Copy !req
467. That was— that's a...
Copy !req
468. That's a bad feeling.
Copy !req
469. I mean, you're doing something that—
Copy !req
470. I was doing something
Copy !req
471. that was the end
of absolutely everything
Copy !req
472. and I kept— I kept doing it.
Copy !req
473. - Yeah.
Copy !req
474. - I never thought about killing myself,
Copy !req
475. but I used to have fantasies
about something happening to me,
Copy !req
476. you know, like getting hit by a truck
or falling off a cliff.
Copy !req
477. That's a bad feeling.
Copy !req
478. So, well...
Copy !req
479. I met your sister...
Copy !req
480. when we started dating.
Copy !req
481. Like we were dating for about a month,
right before we got married.
Copy !req
482. - And I cannot believe
we got married that quick.
Copy !req
483. - Yeah, that was dumb.
Copy !req
484. I don't know, it was just—
I don't know.
Copy !req
485. - So...
- So...
Copy !req
486. you remember...
Copy !req
487. I went to dinner with you
and your family?
Copy !req
488. - Mm-hmm, sure.
Copy !req
489. - Do you want to hear this?
- Sure.
Copy !req
490. - Okay, so that's when I first met her,
was at that dinner,
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491. and I— I forgot— I don't know why,
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492. but I asked her why she—
when she graduated high school,
Copy !req
493. and you made that joke, you said,
"She's your age, Horace."
Copy !req
494. - Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I remember that.
Copy !req
495. - This doesn't bother you
to hear about this?
Copy !req
496. - No, it's helping me.
I think it's—
Copy !req
497. - Did you forgive me or—
Copy !req
498. - No.
No, I never did.
Copy !req
499. I stayed mad at you for years.
Copy !req
500. Why would I forgive you
for fucking my sister?
Copy !req
501. Breaking apart the family?
Doing that to the kids?
Copy !req
502. - Just, you don't seem mad anymore.
Copy !req
503. - I'm not, it just went away.
Copy !req
504. It's kinda sad.
Copy !req
505. Um...
Copy !req
506. No, I was so mad at you,
Copy !req
507. I would walk around all day
with these bad feelings,
Copy !req
508. about what you did
and I thought, well, someday,
Copy !req
509. something'll happen, you know,
Copy !req
510. I'll be overcome by a wave of kindness,
or I'll just—
Copy !req
511. or I'll just figure out
a different way to look at it
Copy !req
512. and I'll forgive you and I'll feel good,
but instead,
Copy !req
513. what happens is,
time just takes the feelings away,
Copy !req
514. they just kinda get dim
with time going by,
Copy !req
515. they just go away
and you don't get to figure it out.
Copy !req
516. It's like erosion, it just goes away.
Copy !req
517. It's kinda sad.
- Yeah.
Copy !req
518. - Anyway, uh, I don't feel anything
about it, Horace.
Copy !req
519. But, well, all that's left is,
I'm curious how you got through it.
Copy !req
520. - Okay.
Copy !req
521. So, Rosemary.
Copy !req
522. You know, I never thought about her
that way when I first met her.
Copy !req
523. I mean, she was all right.
She was your sister.
Copy !req
524. And then...
Copy !req
525. Shit.
Copy !req
526. - Yes?
Copy !req
527. - Well, then we got married,
Copy !req
528. and then one day, you were at work
Copy !req
529. and I was home,
and she came over to get something,
Copy !req
530. I don't remember what,
and we fucked.
Copy !req
531. - So that's it?
Copy !req
532. - Yeah, I mean, it's not
a cool story like yours.
Copy !req
533. But, um...
Copy !req
534. Maybe it was, I don't remember.
Copy !req
535. Anyway, once we figured that out,
Copy !req
536. that we were into fucking each other
and not telling anybody,
Copy !req
537. we started to do it a lot.
Copy !req
538. And after a while,
we couldn't stop doing it.
Copy !req
539. - Oh, God.
Copy !req
540. - Yeah, it was a lot of fucking.
Copy !req
541. A lot.
Copy !req
542. And then, just the worst...
Copy !req
543. The worst, worst, worst, worst,
worst feeling
Copy !req
544. in the whole wide fucking world.
Copy !req
545. - Yeah.
Copy !req
546. - I would lie awake next to you,
Copy !req
547. just thinking,
what if she finds out?
Copy !req
548. Like scared, like what if
she finds out?
Copy !req
549. And then all the shit
with the kids when they were born.
Copy !req
550. - Horace...
Copy !req
551. - Well, I couldn't have been
doing a worse thing.
Copy !req
552. I couldn't have been doing
a worse thing.
Copy !req
553. It was the worst thing I could ever do.
Copy !req
554. And I kept doing it.
Copy !req
555. - Yeah. Yeah.
Copy !req
556. - And every day, every single day,
Copy !req
557. I would think,
I don't want to be alive.
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558. I just want it all to end.
Copy !req
559. Not just me,
I wanted us all to die.
Copy !req
560. - Oh, Jesus.
Copy !req
561. - Well, I wanted everybody
involved in any way
Copy !req
562. to just stop existing.
Copy !req
563. It was the only clean way out.
Copy !req
564. I remember on 9/11 when
the planes had hit the buildings
Copy !req
565. and on the news they said that
Washington was on fire
Copy !req
566. and there was—
Copy !req
567. Remember, everybody thought
there was more planes coming?
Copy !req
568. - Yeah, God.
Copy !req
569. - I thought,
maybe this is it, maybe...
Copy !req
570. maybe the planes will take us out
and this will all be over.
Copy !req
571. - Oh, that's... horrible.
Copy !req
572. It's horrible.
Copy !req
573. - Well, I preferred that
to what I knew would happen, and did,
Copy !req
574. that everybody would find out
what I was doing.
Copy !req
575. - Mm-hmm.
Copy !req
576. - I would picture you finding out.
Copy !req
577. Like I would close my eyes
and I'd picture your face
Copy !req
578. and I'd see all this hate in your eyes
Copy !req
579. that I knew I could never
come back from,
Copy !req
580. and I kept on fucking her,
Copy !req
581. and you hated me anyway.
Copy !req
582. - What?
- You hated me.
Copy !req
583. - Horace, you thought
I hated you before we broke up?
Copy !req
584. I didn't hate you.
Copy !req
585. I didn't.
Copy !req
586. - Yeah, I kinda know that now.
Copy !req
587. I mean, come on, honey,
we were—
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588. I was 21, you were 32.
Copy !req
589. - Well, you know, Horace,
aside from all of that,
Copy !req
590. you were never
anything but nice to me.
Copy !req
591. I mean, like just daily life,
like, you know,
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592. all that time,
you were always just nice
Copy !req
593. and I do wish that I had put
a higher value on that than I did.
Copy !req
594. I— Maybe that's a part of the reason.
Copy !req
595. - Sarah, I fucked your sister.
Copy !req
596. That's the story, okay?
That's what happened.
Copy !req
597. - Yeah.
Copy !req
598. - We don't have to dig
any deeper than that.
Copy !req
599. - No, that— that does make it
a lot easier, doesn't it?
Copy !req
600. - Well, that's why people
do stuff like that, like this.
Copy !req
601. Because then you don't have
to go through all the muck.
Copy !req
602. Otherwise, you have to go
through all the muck,
Copy !req
603. and nobody can do that,
so you just...
Copy !req
604. In a bad marriage?
Fuck a relative and get out.
Copy !req
605. It works.
Copy !req
606. It's like an insurance fire.
Copy !req
607. And you know, when a building
burns to the ground,
Copy !req
608. nobody asks any questions,
Copy !req
609. you just gotta really burn it down.
Copy !req
610. - I don't even know why
I'm laughing.
Copy !req
611. - Come on.
Copy !req
612. Like let's get real.
Copy !req
613. Sarah, you know what you should do?
Copy !req
614. You want to know the truth?
You should get out.
Copy !req
615. You should leave Glen and get out.
Copy !req
616. That's what you're doing anyway
by fucking his dad,
Copy !req
617. you're getting out.
- I can't do it.
Copy !req
618. I can't, I can't.
Copy !req
619. No, ahh, I have to face it,
I have to fix it.
Copy !req
620. - That is facing it.
That's facing it.
Copy !req
621. Get out and then
the whole mess is fixed.
Copy !req
622. That's the fix.
Copy !req
623. - Well, but I can—
Copy !req
624. I— I can stop.
I can stop with Roger.
Copy !req
625. That's what a good person would do.
Copy !req
626. That's what I'm called on to do.
Copy !req
627. Don't just throw up your hands,
say, oh, well, I—
Copy !req
628. You know, I do this awful thing,
so come what may.
Copy !req
629. You have to correct your behavior,
and you have to strive to be better
Copy !req
630. for the people in your life.
- Okay.
Copy !req
631. Sarah, tell yourself the story
Copy !req
632. where you've been fucking this guy
as long as you have
Copy !req
633. and then all of a sudden,
you just stop,
Copy !req
634. and then you just go back to one
big happy family every Christmas
Copy !req
635. and Easter in your house
in the woods, is that—
Copy !req
636. Do you see that future?
- No, no.
Copy !req
637. - You gotta get out.
You gotta get out.
Copy !req
638. - I— I don't want—
Copy !req
639. I don't want to have another divorce.
Copy !req
640. Horace, I can't take it,
I mean, ours was what it was.
Copy !req
641. I don't blame you,
I don't blame me,
Copy !req
642. it just happened,
but if it happens to me again,
Copy !req
643. what does that say?
Copy !req
644. - It says that you're shitty
at being married.
Copy !req
645. It's okay, so am I.
Copy !req
646. That doesn't make you a bad person.
Copy !req
647. Just don't be married.
Copy !req
648. Just get out
and don't do it again.
Copy !req
649. Just be alone, like me.
Copy !req
650. You can't stay in this fucking thing
Copy !req
651. just to try to make the truth
not be true.
Copy !req
652. That's insane, that's— that's Catholic.
Copy !req
653. - Those kids love me,
they really do,
Copy !req
654. and I love them, and— and—
and they lost their mother.
Copy !req
655. How do I now just— just pull
out of their life so violently
Copy !req
656. in such a terrible way?
I'd have to be a terrible person.
Copy !req
657. - You had your kids.
Copy !req
658. You had your kids, okay?
Copy !req
659. And you raised your kids.
Copy !req
660. Their— their dad...
Copy !req
661. fucked the family up.
Copy !req
662. You stayed and saw them through
their childhood, okay?
Copy !req
663. Those are Glen's kids, not yours,
Copy !req
664. and they lost their mom.
Copy !req
665. That's what happened to them.
Copy !req
666. Bu anything you give them is plus.
Copy !req
667. They got to be with you, okay?
Copy !req
668. If you leave, it doesn't mean
that they give that back.
Copy !req
669. Just because you pull out
doesn't mean that you weren't—
Copy !req
670. that you were never there.
Copy !req
671. - Boy, you really have a skill
at justifying horrible things.
Copy !req
672. - Yeah.
Copy !req
673. - I don't know what to do.
Copy !req
674. - No, you don't.
Copy !req
675. - Oh, God.
Copy !req
676. - All right, well,
here's what you gotta do.
Copy !req
677. This is what you gotta do,
you might as well do it.
Copy !req
678. Go back and keep fucking Roger.
Copy !req
679. Keep loving Glen and the kids.
Copy !req
680. Just do both things as long as you can
as well as you can.
Copy !req
681. That's what you're gonna do.
Copy !req
682. You know that's
what you're gonna do,
Copy !req
683. so you just might as well decide
you're gonna do it.
Copy !req
684. - Yeah.
Copy !req
685. Yep.
Copy !req
686. Oh, my God.
Copy !req
687. What am I?
Copy !req
688. - You're just like a whole bunch
of other people, Sarah.
Copy !req
689. Like a lot of other people.
Copy !req
690. Like you could field an army
Copy !req
691. with how many people have been
in your situation.
Copy !req
692. Literally, you could gather
the cheaters of the world,
Copy !req
693. and you could wage war
on the honest and you'd win.
Copy !req
694. - Oh, God, you're awful.
Copy !req
695. - You're gonna be okay,
you know.
Copy !req
696. It's gonna be okay.
You're gonna be okay, Sarah.
Copy !req
697. - Well, I don't know how
you know that.
Copy !req
698. - Because,
you know how I know it?
Copy !req
699. 'Cause I'm okay.
Copy !req
700. And I was right where you are,
and I'm okay.
Copy !req
701. - What about Glen?
Copy !req
702. - He'll be okay, too,
Copy !req
703. because he is where you were,
and you're okay.
Copy !req
704. - Yeah.
Copy !req
705. - And his kids will be fine,
'cause look at our kids.
Copy !req
706. Fuck.
Copy !req
707. How is he?
Copy !req
708. I know, I mean,
I follow him on Instagram
Copy !req
709. so I know...
- Yeah.
Copy !req
710. - ... he's on a lacrosse team
Copy !req
711. and he went to Peru
with his natural history class,
Copy !req
712. but how is he?
- Well, I—
Copy !req
713. He made me promise
not to talk to you about him.
Copy !req
714. - Oh, okay.
Copy !req
715. Did he—
He knew you were coming here
Copy !req
716. to tell me that you're fucking
your new husband's dad?
Copy !req
717. - Ehh.
- Well, ouch, okay?
Copy !req
718. I mean...
Copy !req
719. Fuck, man.
Copy !req
720. I get it, I got it coming,
but it fucking hurts.
Copy !req
721. That's...
Copy !req
722. - So I'm honoring his...
Copy !req
723. promise in the sense that,
you know,
Copy !req
724. I'm telling you about it.
Copy !req
725. I— I do owe him that,
but I think that you should know,
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726. your son is doing really great.
Copy !req
727. I mean, he's great.
Copy !req
728. He's a lovely guy, Horace.
Copy !req
729. He— he— he—
Copy !req
730. He's nice to everybody
and it's genuine.
Copy !req
731. He's got a girl, terrific.
Copy !req
732. She's terrific.
Copy !req
733. And he likes life.
Copy !req
734. And, um, he's...
Copy !req
735. thoughtful.
Copy !req
736. He... picks good friends.
Copy !req
737. He's really good with tough things,
Copy !req
738. and so he's doing really good.
Copy !req
739. - Thanks.
Copy !req
740. - Yeah.
Copy !req
741. - I'm really blowing it with Alice.
Copy !req
742. She's always pissed at me.
Copy !req
743. - Oh, well, you know,
she just needs to stop already.
Copy !req
744. I don't even—
Copy !req
745. How long does she think
she gets to stay a kid?
Copy !req
746. - Well...
- No, Hor— No.
Copy !req
747. I mean, she's almost a lawyer now.
Copy !req
748. You— you are making an effort
to be in her life.
Copy !req
749. Nobody owes her any more than that.
Copy !req
750. She's being a big fat brat.
Copy !req
751. - Jesus, wow.
- Well, I—
Copy !req
752. I can't— I can't with that.
Copy !req
753. I can't with that one.
That's enough, I...
Copy !req
754. - All right, I'll take it.
Copy !req
755. I didn't really...
Copy !req
756. I didn't really know, you know,
Copy !req
757. what I was throwing away
with those guys.
Copy !req
758. - You still don't know, Horace,
but forgive yourself.
Copy !req
759. And— and— and you want
to know something?
Copy !req
760. I'm happy for you,
'cause I think that you found peace.
Copy !req
761. I wish that I could do it.
Copy !req
762. I can't, I'm weak,
'cause I need somebody.
Copy !req
763. And it takes a strength
and a self-acceptance to be alone
Copy !req
764. and I really do—
I feel like you found it
Copy !req
765. and you're living your truth,
you're living honestly
Copy !req
766. and— and...
Copy !req
767. So... I'm proud of you.
Copy !req
768. I'm just...
Copy !req
769. I'm really happy for you.
Copy !req
770. So long, hon.
Copy !req
771. - Bye, Sarah, see you.
- Take care.
Copy !req
772. - Okay.
Copy !req
773. - I can't believe you married that cunt.
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