1. Mike Painter is here with me.Copy !req
2. He's called "America's
child psychologist,"Copy !req
3. and his new book is "Shaping the Past."Copy !req
4. I'm happy to have Mike
Painter back on the show.Copy !req
5. Thank you. Thanks for having me.Copy !req
6. So did becoming a fatherCopy !req
7. change how you look at childhood?Copy !req
8. Yeah, I think so.Copy !req
9. You know, at the same time,Copy !req
10. adulthood is just a mask,Copy !req
11. a sophisticated mask, for sure.Copy !req
12. But behind it, we're
all still the kids we were.Copy !req
13. Now, in the book, you
talk about your childhood.Copy !req
14. Uh, you lost a twin
brother when you were 12?Copy !req
15. In 1988, in Iron Hill, Ohio,Copy !req
16. where I was born, um,Copy !req
17. five kids went missing.Copy !req
18. The Iron Hill murders.Copy !req
19. Never solved.Copy !req
20. Yeah.Copy !req
21. The last victim, the
one they never foundCopy !req
22. was my brother, Eddie.Copy !req
23. You were identical twins.Copy !req
24. Losing a twin is like having a...Copy !req
25. A phantom limb.Copy !req
26. How does a family deal
with something like that?Copy !req
27. My father was out of the picture.Copy !req
28. My mother couldn't cope.Copy !req
29. Um, I was sent to live with relatives.Copy !req
30. I've never been back to Iron Hill.Copy !req
31. I want to do something unusual.Copy !req
32. I have someone on the phone.Copy !req
33. 12 years old.Copy !req
34. His family's gone
through a tragedy as well.Copy !req
35. I'd like you to talk to him.Copy !req
36. Show us what you do.Copy !req
37. I don't know if that's appro...Copy !req
38. Are you there?Copy !req
39. Hello?Copy !req
40. My name's Dr. Painter.Copy !req
41. I'm a...Copy !req
42. I'm a doctor who kids like you talk toCopy !req
43. about stuff that's on their mind.Copy !req
44. Is there anything you
want to talk to me about?Copy !req
45. Can you tell me your name?Copy !req
46. What is this?Copy !req
47. Is that your TV?Copy !req
48. Turn it off.Copy !req
49. Turn it off.Copy !req
50. Mike.Copy !req
51. Why are you scared to come home?Copy !req
52. Mike?Copy !req
53. Why are you scared to come home?Copy !req
54. American goldfinch.Copy !req
55. Now he's just part of the yard.Copy !req
56. Hey.Copy !req
57. I wanted to surprise you.Copy !req
58. You sure know how.Copy !req
59. Miss Marla, who is that?Copy !req
60. Hi, I'm Mike. What's your name?Copy !req
61. This is Katie.Copy !req
62. Miss Marla?Copy !req
63. It's my son.Copy !req
64. He is a lurker, this cat.Copy !req
65. I swear, he kills for sport.Copy !req
66. So you're a vegetarian, then?Copy !req
67. Well, I-I don't eat songbirds.Copy !req
68. What?Copy !req
69. No pictures of me or Eddie...Copy !req
70. or Dad.Copy !req
71. Well, don't take it personally.Copy !req
72. It's just a matter of managingCopy !req
73. intrusive thoughts.Copy !req
74. Yeah.Copy !req
75. Thanks a lot, Mom. It really is, um...Copy !req
76. Why have you come? Just tell me.Copy !req
77. No, I... I'm so happy to see you.Copy !req
78. You are welcome here.Copy !req
79. It's just...Copy !req
80. I hope you haven't
come to rip open a wound.Copy !req
81. Once every two years, someone
turns up in Iron HillCopy !req
82. to solve those murders.Copy !req
83. I've always been afraid that...Copy !req
84. one day it would be you.Copy !req
85. Yeah, but nothing was stolen?Copy !req
86. Okay, uh, Bob will take your
statement, Mr. Crumm.Copy !req
87. Okay.Copy !req
88. Hey, Bob! Line one.Copy !req
89. Yes? Can I help you?Copy !req
90. Hi, there, uh, my name is Mike Painter.Copy !req
91. Oh! Hi.Copy !req
92. Uh... my mom saw you on Dr. PhilCopy !req
93. and got very excited.Copy !req
94. I-I mean, I saw you, too.Copy !req
95. So, uh, what brings you here?Copy !req
96. I was actually wondering if I could...Copy !req
97. Holy shit.Copy !req
98. Yeah.Copy !req
99. Wow. Mike Painter.Copy !req
100. - Gary.
- It's good to see you.Copy !req
101. Actually, uh, I was hoping
we could have a quick word.Copy !req
102. - Absolutely.
- Yeah.Copy !req
103. We'll go to my office.Copy !req
104. Nice to meet you.Copy !req
105. It was a pleasure to meet you, too.Copy !req
106. - Right?
- Yeah, it's...Copy !req
107. Okay, so Billy Reese was on first.Copy !req
108. And then, uh, there was someone...
some kid on second,Copy !req
109. and you were on third.Copy !req
110. Yeah, and you don't remember.Copy !req
111. No, no, no, no, I-I remember.Copy !req
112. So they went and elected you sheriff.Copy !req
113. - This is...
- Yeah.Copy !req
114. Congratulations.Copy !req
115. Look, it's not exactly the wild west.Copy !req
116. I mean, we got drunk
people doing drunk things, and...Copy !req
117. Right now there's some mystery man...Copy !req
118. He's, uh... he's going
around breaking into housesCopy !req
119. without stealing anything.
I don't know. It's just...Copy !req
120. Didn't the Manson Family do that?Copy !req
121. Uh, past troubles aside,Copy !req
122. we're a little bit more
"Partridge Family"Copy !req
123. than Manson Family around here,Copy !req
124. but enough on all that.Copy !req
125. What about you?Copy !req
126. We've... w-w-we've kept on
you. I-I even read your book.Copy !req
127. Oh, man, that's, um...Copy !req
128. That's kind of you.Copy !req
129. Well, speaking of past
troubles, you know,Copy !req
130. Gary, I was hoping I could
take a look at those files.Copy !req
131. Do you mind if I ask why?Copy !req
132. I mean, it's been, uh...Copy !req
133. 28 years since they dragged
those kids out of the woods.Copy !req
134. Yeah, minus their teeth.Copy !req
135. Look, Mike, all... All
I'm saying is that, uh,Copy !req
136. a lot of folks,Copy !req
137. just like you and your
mom, lost people back then.Copy !req
138. So...Copy !req
139. I'm not saying no.Copy !req
140. I guess I'm just saying, why now?Copy !req
141. I'm writing a book.Copy !req
142. Really?Copy !req
143. Is it gonna be a good book?Copy !req
144. I hope so.Copy !req
145. What I mean is, is it gonna
be a respectful book?Copy !req
146. Above all else.Copy !req
147. Absolutely.Copy !req
148. Mike, you know that I-I
didn't get stuck here, right?Copy !req
149. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's...Copy !req
150. But did you know that
I married Jessica Hale?Copy !req
151. I did hear that.Copy !req
152. She would be right annoyedCopy !req
153. if I didn't invite
you for dinner tonight.Copy !req
154. - No.
- No, no, no. No, no, no.Copy !req
155. There's a lot of people
coming, and, uh...Copy !req
156. and I think I can help
you with those files.Copy !req
157. But...Copy !req
158. I need your expert opinion on my kid.Copy !req
159. Yeah, I-I-I think he's growing upCopy !req
160. a little bit strange.Copy !req
161. Do we have a casino?Copy !req
162. Weren't we supposed to get
one, a casino, in this town?Copy !req
163. We don't build anything here.Copy !req
164. - Well, whose fault is that?
- I'll tell you.Copy !req
165. - Oh, here we go.
- Steam to diesel.Copy !req
166. When the railroad
switched from steam to diesel,Copy !req
167. - that is what killed us.
- No. Community.Copy !req
168. How kids are raised.Copy !req
169. Now everything's all disconnected.Copy !req
170. What? Now everything's all connected.Copy !req
171. Now any perv can reach through the Wi-FiCopy !req
172. and grope my daughter.Copy !req
173. We don't even keep a TV in the house.Copy !req
174. I'll tell you something else.Copy !req
175. This is not even a town. It's a museum.Copy !req
176. But you got to modernize.
Take the station.Copy !req
177. If the county gave us funds,Copy !req
178. what we could do with that.Copy !req
179. Well... yeah, and when you're sheriff,Copy !req
180. - I think you should do that.
- Oh.Copy !req
181. When I'm sheriff, the
first thing I do isCopy !req
182. take down that stupid
painting in your office.Copy !req
183. - She's got you there.
- I know.Copy !req
184. - Dad?
- I love this town.Copy !req
185. I absolutely love it. I
love it just the way it is.Copy !req
186. And you know that... Hey, buddy.Copy !req
187. Katie's been watching TV forever.Copy !req
188. I want to watch "Labyrinth."Copy !req
189. - It's a tough life, bud.
- Dane, honey,Copy !req
190. you tell your sister it's time for bed.Copy !req
191. And you too... No more TV.Copy !req
192. Good night.Copy !req
193. Don't.Copy !req
194. Mike.Copy !req
195. I mentioned this earlier.Copy !req
196. That kid is obsessed with David Bowie.Copy !req
197. That's strange, right?Copy !req
198. You're lucky it's not ABBA.Copy !req
199. I wouldn't worry about it.Copy !req
200. See?Copy !req
201. I mean, we were pretty strange,Copy !req
202. remember?Copy !req
203. We had our own imaginary kingdom.Copy !req
204. You and Eddie made it up.Copy !req
205. And you were the kings, both of you.Copy !req
206. And the card game that never ended.Copy !req
207. What's that?Copy !req
208. Well, me and Eddie started
playing cards one day...Copy !req
209. Uh, War, and this one game just...Copy !req
210. went on and on.Copy !req
211. There was no winner.Copy !req
212. So, um,Copy !req
213. we picked it up the
next day and the next.Copy !req
214. And after a while, I
think we just wanted to seeCopy !req
215. how long it would go on.Copy !req
216. How long did it?Copy !req
217. Well, I guess technically it still is.Copy !req
218. And every Saturday...Copy !req
219. Every Saturday,Copy !req
220. me, you, and EddieCopy !req
221. would watch hoursCopy !req
222. - of TV.
- Of TV.Copy !req
223. - Oh.
- Hours...Copy !req
224. Oh, see? You turned out fine.Copy !req
225. - There you go.
- She turned out fine.Copy !req
226. - Yeah.
- Well, Mike's the expert.Copy !req
227. Why don't we ask him?Copy !req
228. What do you think?Copy !req
229. Too much TV bad for kids?Copy !req
230. Of course it is. Where's the bathroom?Copy !req
231. Down the stairs, just to the left.Copy !req
232. Katie?Copy !req
233. Hey, guess what.Copy !req
234. You're friends with my mom, and
I'm friends with your mom.Copy !req
235. Shh.Copy !req
236. Why are we being quiet?Copy !req
237. It went away.Copy !req
238. Katie, what were you watching?Copy !req
239. Right out in the middle, there's
this piece of luggage...Copy !req
240. I don't know, it's one of
these fancy labels, right?Copy !req
241. Something... Whatever, it's nice.Copy !req
242. And she goes, "It's stuck," right?Copy !req
243. And I just said, "Hey.Copy !req
244. How'd it get there?"Copy !req
245. - You did not say that.
- I did, I did...Copy !req
246. You guys remember "Candle Cove"?Copy !req
247. That show? Right?Copy !req
248. It was on for,
like a couple of months...Copy !req
249. Two months. September, October, '88.Copy !req
250. I remember.Copy !req
251. Did you ever tell your kids about it?Copy !req
252. Oh, hell, no.Copy !req
253. Well, Katie told me she just saw it.Copy !req
254. - What, just now?
- What?Copy !req
255. No.Copy !req
256. I mean, why would they re-air that?Copy !req
257. What are you guys talking about?Copy !req
258. That show used to give
me the worst nightmares...Copy !req
259. Those puppets.Copy !req
260. I used to have this really
weird recurring dream.Copy !req
261. They would just be screaming.Copy !req
262. No, that was an episode.Copy !req
263. No, not possible. It
was a nightmare I had.Copy !req
264. Remember Jawbone?Copy !req
265. What is Jawbone?Copy !req
266. Jawbone... He was this,Copy !req
267. this old skeleton thing in
a robe and a black hat.Copy !req
268. And he'd always be chasing
around Pirate Percy, right?Copy !req
269. And he'd say,Copy !req
270. "When I catch you,Copy !req
271. I'm gonna skin your hide..."Copy !req
272. Oh, easy there. Easy there.Copy !req
273. Had a... had a little bit...
Little bit much to drink, Mike?Copy !req
274. I'm fine.Copy !req
275. Um, thanks for dinner.Copy !req
276. You guys keep walking down
memory lane with this shit.Copy !req
277. I'm gonna go home.Copy !req
278. - You brought it up.
- It's just a TV show, Mike.Copy !req
279. What was that?Copy !req
280. Mm...Copy !req
281. Eddie, let's go around.Copy !req
282. Eddie!Copy !req
283. He's just gonna do it again!Copy !req
284. Eddie!Copy !req
285. Pay the toll?Copy !req
286. Shove it up your ass.Copy !req
287. Little bitch.Copy !req
288. Just like your dad.Copy !req
289. Shut up.Copy !req
290. How come he left?Copy !req
291. Fu... you.Copy !req
292. 'Cause he doesn't love you?Copy !req
293. Rather have no dad than one like yours.Copy !req
294. Whoa!Copy !req
295. - Hit him, Gene!
- Yeah, get him!Copy !req
296. Let him go!Copy !req
297. Stop, Gene! Get off me!Copy !req
298. Gary!Copy !req
299. Get over here and get his arm!Copy !req
300. Do it!Copy !req
301. Help! Stop! No!Copy !req
302. - Yeah, Gene!
- Aah!Copy !req
303. Can he feel it if I hurt you?Copy !req
304. Aah!Copy !req
305. - Let him go!
- Stop!Copy !req
306. You feel that? Does that hurt, Mike?Copy !req
307. Mike, does this hurt?Copy !req
308. Oh, my God.Copy !req
309. Get out of here!Copy !req
310. Good job.Copy !req
311. - Good job, man.
- Yeah.Copy !req
312. Eddie?Copy !req
313. Sorry.Copy !req
314. Don't tell Mom?Copy !req
315. I won't.Copy !req
316. Sorry.Copy !req
317. Ahoy, mates.Copy !req
318. What adventure awaits?Copy !req
319. Do you sense it?Copy !req
320. Something is coming.Copy !req
321. A stray vessel headed for the cove.Copy !req
322. Welcome to Candle Cove.Copy !req
323. Mike?Copy !req
324. You sleepwalked.Copy !req
325. Yeah. Old habits die hard.Copy !req
326. Your brother used to do it more.Copy !req
327. I've been having nightmares.Copy !req
328. So that's why you came back.Copy !req
329. Well, I hope it helps you sleep.Copy !req
330. Yeah.Copy !req
331. I'm gonna be back in an hour or two.Copy !req
332. What?Copy !req
333. There's someone in the woods.Copy !req
334. People walk in the woods.Copy !req
335. But he was standing still.Copy !req
336. Maybe he had a stray thought.Copy !req
337. My boys are up early.Copy !req
338. Well, I rise with the sun, baby.Copy !req
339. S-U-N or S-O-N?Copy !req
340. Buddy, where's your sister?Copy !req
341. I don't know. Still in bed, I guess.Copy !req
342. Good morning, honey.Copy !req
343. Katie?Copy !req
344. Katie?Copy !req
345. Katie?Copy !req
346. Honey? Katie?Copy !req
347. And now back to more great musicCopy !req
348. on this beautiful morning on WKRP...Copy !req
349. - Thanks, Daphne.
- You got it.Copy !req
350. - Another refill on your coffee?
- Yeah.Copy !req
351. I'll have some. Thanks.Copy !req
352. The women have walked in the woods.Copy !req
353. The women have walked in the woods.Copy !req
354. Past participle.Copy !req
355. In?Copy !req
356. Present perfect tense.Copy !req
357. Indicating something...Copy !req
358. That started in the
past but continues until now.Copy !req
359. You always were a studious kid, Mike.Copy !req
360. Well, you always were a
grammar Nazi, Mrs. Booth.Copy !req
361. Mike?Copy !req
362. Katie!Copy !req
363. Honey, where are you?Copy !req
364. - Katie!
- Katie!Copy !req
365. Katie!Copy !req
366. Katie!Copy !req
367. Sweetheart!Copy !req
368. Katie!Copy !req
369. Katie!Copy !req
370. - Sweetheart!
- Katie!Copy !req
371. Katie!Copy !req
372. Sweetie?Copy !req
373. Come on, let's go another way.Copy !req
374. Eddie.Copy !req
375. Don't!Copy !req
376. What happened to your hand?Copy !req
377. Your daddy kiss it for you?Copy !req
378. Oh, right.Copy !req
379. What, Eddie?Copy !req
380. You want something?Copy !req
381. What the hell's wrong with you?Copy !req
382. Come on, Tim.Copy !req
383. Something's up with that kid.Copy !req
384. Go.Copy !req
385. Shit. Run!Copy !req
386. Katie!Copy !req
387. So...Copy !req
388. that show?Copy !req
389. Did you bring it up, or
did Katie bring it up?Copy !req
390. She did. Why?Copy !req
391. Katie!Copy !req
392. Oh, it's just, uh...Copy !req
393. weird they'd just air it again.Copy !req
394. Right?Copy !req
395. Нeah, yeah, I-I... yeah.Copy !req
396. Katie!Copy !req
397. Did she say what channel it was on?Copy !req
398. Um... no.Copy !req
399. I need to talk to you.Copy !req
400. Katie!Copy !req
401. Marla told us that she heard youCopy !req
402. come in at 3:00 a.m. last night...Copy !req
403. Five hours after you left our house.Copy !req
404. I...Copy !req
405. I-I mean, I walked around. I...Copy !req
406. I'm asking you, parent to parent,Copy !req
407. what are you not telling me?Copy !req
408. This will sound irrational.Copy !req
409. Say it.Copy !req
410. That show may have something
to do with this.Copy !req
411. What show?Copy !req
412. "Candle Cove"?Copy !req
413. Yeah, listen,Copy !req
414. in '88, the only
time the show ever airedCopy !req
415. was during the murders.Copy !req
416. When the show
stopped, the murders stopped.Copy !req
417. And... and... and... and...
and now it just shows back up again.Copy !req
418. I just need you to
tell me where you wentCopy !req
419. last night after you left.Copy !req
420. I know how it sounds, but I'm not crazy.Copy !req
421. You're not crazy.Copy !req
422. Believe me, it's not
just a television show, okay?Copy !req
423. It did something to my brother,Copy !req
424. and it can make people do odd things.Copy !req
425. And... and I seem to be the
only one that's putting this...Copy !req
426. I know about Stovington.Copy !req
427. I'm... I'm not...Copy !req
428. crazy.Copy !req
429. I-I had a, um...Copy !req
430. You were released from a psych wardCopy !req
431. three days ago.Copy !req
432. I mean, you must have comeCopy !req
433. straight here after the hospital.Copy !req
434. No, I-I went home the first night.Copy !req
435. My wife let me stop by to get clothes.Copy !req
436. That doesn't matter.Copy !req
437. Listen, um, I had what's calledCopy !req
438. an acute stress reaction.Copy !req
439. They say you had a
psychotic episode, Mike.Copy !req
440. You're a doctor. Tell
me what that means.Copy !req
441. No, I-I committed myself voluntarily.Copy !req
442. I'm asking you one last time.Copy !req
443. What did you do, and where
did you go last night?Copy !req
444. Listen, it is not me, Jessica.
It's connected to that show.Copy !req
445. Now, whoever made that show...Copy !req
446. Oh, my God. Gary!Copy !req
447. Mike?Copy !req
448. Shit.Copy !req
449. Gary!Copy !req
450. Amy!Copy !req
451. Jess? Jess!Copy !req
452. - Gary.
- Jess, do you have her?Copy !req
453. - No, no.
- Hey, babe, what's wrong?Copy !req
454. It's Mike.Copy !req
455. I think...Copy !req
456. I think he knows something.Copy !req
457. I think he knows where she is.
- Okay, we'll find him.Copy !req
458. Spread out! Hit the tree line!Copy !req
459. She said you'd come talk to me.Copy !req
460. Do you know where she is?Copy !req
461. Dane, do you love your sister?Copy !req
462. Do you want to see her again?Copy !req
463. Did she tell you where she was going?Copy !req
464. What's the Crow's Nest?Copy !req
465. Where's Dad's gun?Copy !req
466. What do you want a 30-year-old gun for?Copy !req
467. Just in case.Copy !req
468. I got rid of that gun years ago.Copy !req
469. Tell me what's going on.Copy !req
470. There's no time. It
could already be too late.Copy !req
471. Gary called. He said you're sick, Mike.Copy !req
472. They didn't understand in 1988,Copy !req
473. and they don't understand now.Copy !req
474. And you do?Copy !req
475. Just... just get me a
chance to try to get her backCopy !req
476. before it's too late.Copy !req
477. Where are you going?Copy !req
478. Out there.Copy !req
479. Out past the woods, where
the signal tower is.Copy !req
480. Out where they found the bodies?Copy !req
481. I have to go. Let me go.Copy !req
482. Katie!Copy !req
483. Katie!Copy !req
484. Who's back there?Copy !req
485. - Mike?
- Hey.Copy !req
486. Are you okay?Copy !req
487. Are you okay?Copy !req
488. Come here.Copy !req
489. She says the TV told her where to go.Copy !req
490. How'd you know to find
her out by the signal towerCopy !req
491. of all places?Copy !req
492. I just needed a place to think.Copy !req
493. Me and Eddie used to call
that spot the Crow's Nest.Copy !req
494. And you just
happened to find Katie there.Copy !req
495. I brought your daughter
back, man, you know.Copy !req
496. Yeah, minus a couple teeth.Copy !req
497. Let's just say that I
still have questions.Copy !req
498. You learn to live with those.Copy !req
499. See you, buddy. I'm out of here.Copy !req
500. - All right.
- See you later.Copy !req
501. Thanks.Copy !req
502. Mike.Copy !req
503. "America's child
psychologist saves little girl,"Copy !req
504. is that it?Copy !req
505. Katie's gonna be okay. Just...Copy !req
506. don't let her watch TV.Copy !req
507. Spare me, okay? Just
put it in your book.Copy !req
508. There is no book.Copy !req
509. There never was.Copy !req
510. Then what are you doing here?Copy !req
511. It's been calling me.Copy !req
512. Packing up?Copy !req
513. You don't have to leave.Copy !req
514. Yeah, yeah, I do.Copy !req
515. Out of sight...Copy !req
516. out of mind.Copy !req
517. Do you remember "Candle Cove"?Copy !req
518. Yeah, of course.Copy !req
519. After I left, did you ever see it again?Copy !req
520. What?Copy !req
521. Um, never mind.Copy !req
522. Forget I mentioned it.Copy !req
523. Who made it up?Copy !req
524. Made what up?Copy !req
525. I'm talking about the
show we watched, the TV show.Copy !req
526. Oh, no, it...Copy !req
527. The show I'm talking about wasn't real.Copy !req
528. You used to sit, watching the TV...Copy !req
529. just watching the static.Copy !req
530. It was just in your heads.Copy !req
531. Oh, no, Laughingstock.Copy !req
532. That's a whale of a storm.Copy !req
533. We better find someplace to hide.Copy !req
534. Oh, look, it's Bravery Cave.Copy !req
535. You have to go inside.Copy !req
536. Come inside, Percy.Copy !req
537. There's a new friend in there.Copy !req
538. And he wants to play a game.Copy !req
539. But... I don't know how to play.Copy !req
540. He'll show you exactly what to do.Copy !req
541. Come on.Copy !req
542. I'll hold your hand.Copy !req
543. Mike, where are you going?Copy !req
544. We're just getting started again.Copy !req