1. When I was six, my grandmother died.
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2. My father drove us to his hometown
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3. of Wiggins, South Carolina
for her funeral.
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4. I had never met her,
so her death didn't mean much to me…
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5. though it made my father very sad.
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6. I was afraid of her in that coffin.
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7. She was part of something
that, even at six, I wondered about.
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8. The place after this one.
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9. I worried she was looking down
and didn't like us because we were young.
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10. Where's Dr. Zicherman?
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11. Excuse me.
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12. Where's Dr. Zicherman?
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13. He's on vacation.
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14. He didn't tell you?
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15. No.
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16. That seems so unlike him.
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17. Do you see him every Tuesday?
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18. No, just—
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19. Just, you know.
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20. No, I don't know.
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21. Just if I need to.
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22. Well, that's an uncommon arrangement.
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23. How'd you know I'd be here?
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24. Routine schedule is foundational
in the doctor-patient relationship.
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25. But how did you know I'd be here?
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26. I don't understand the question.
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27. But Dr. Zicherman and I
don't have a routine.
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28. How did you know
I had an appointment today?
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29. We have a daily schedule.
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30. Your name was on it.
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31. Why are you here?
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32. Because I had an appointment.
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33. No.
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34. Why are you here?
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35. The charges involved
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36. selling unregistered weapons
and crossing state lines to do so.
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37. Why are you here?
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38. I just told you.
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39. Why are you?
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40. To treat mental illness.
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41. Came to the right place.
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42. I'm not in law enforcement.
I'm not a judge.
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43. I don't concern myself
with the crimes of the men I treat.
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44. My sole concern is
protecting their mental health.
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45. Sounds like you found
your purpose in life.
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46. Do you prefer James or Jimmy?
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47. Jimmy.
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48. Jimmy.
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49. Some people's psyches are
so much more fragile
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50. than most people
you've probably encountered in your life.
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51. Or your own, for example.
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52. How do you know anything about my psyche?
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53. I don't know much.
But I suspect you're of fairly sound mind.
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54. Good to know.
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55. But some of my patients are not.
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56. They're one wrong thought,
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57. one termite of an unhealthy idea
from losing their minds.
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58. If they break,
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59. sometimes the person they were
never comes back from the break.
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60. They become ghosts in their own bodies.
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61. Why are you telling me this?
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62. I'm asking you for compassion
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63. when you deal with
some of the men in here.
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64. Some of the men?
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65. Jimmy…
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66. Doctor.
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67. - I'm asking—
- Asking what?
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68. Are you a threat to the mental health
of any of my patients?
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69. Which patients?
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70. I'm giving you
an opportunity for candor here.
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71. I urge you to take it seriously.
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72. Which… patients?
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73. After they buried my grandmother,
my father drove us to the ocean.
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74. It was the only time
I would ever see the ocean.
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75. When they were looking
for Tricia Reitler, Larry drove Marion PD
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76. up and down these roads
over and over and over again.
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77. "I think I buried her here.
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78. No, it was here.
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79. Maybe it was there.
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80. No, I think I buried her under a tree."
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81. Exactly.
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82. That night before I take him back
to Illinois, they go back out there.
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83. Same area, same result.
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84. I think she's there. Somewhere.
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85. That's why he dragged them back out
a second time.
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86. Son of a bitch couldn't get enough of it.
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87. Let me see
if I can get my hands on these reports.
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88. All right.
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89. They took a left up here before the lake.
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90. There's nothing but fields out here.
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91. That's a nice gas station
for the middle of nowhere.
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92. Yeah.
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93. All right, there should be a haul road
right up here. Take a right there.
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94. - Well, good morning, James.
- Morning, Larry.
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95. I didn't see you yesterday.
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96. Nothing happened
that didn't happen the day before.
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97. And the day before that, right?
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98. How was your day?
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99. It was good. Thanks for asking.
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100. Gary visited.
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101. - That's cool.
- It was.
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102. Always nice to see family.
Is he into cars too?
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103. A little. Well, not like me.
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104. But the Civil War stuff?
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105. He didn't stick with it.
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106. That's a shame.
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107. He married a stinky bitch.
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108. Well…
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109. She thinks it's "playing dress-up."
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110. She said that?
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111. Oh, yeah.
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112. So I said to her— I said,
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113. "You would be a grandmother
in Civil War times. An old hag."
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114. Nobody would fight for her.
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115. Brides were young.
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116. Unspoiled.
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117. People married younger then.
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118. Much younger. Yeah.
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119. My great-grandmother
had my grandmother when she was just 14.
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120. That was perfectly normal back then.
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121. Until the government saw
a way to make money.
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122. By raising the age of consent?
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123. Exactly.
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124. Nobody attended a high school back then.
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125. There was no such thing.
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126. But, once the government saw
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127. that there was money to be made
in high schools,
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128. well, then greed trumps all.
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129. It's not about education.
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130. - No?
- No, it's about—
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131. It's about forcing kids
to delay growing up.
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132. So that their parents can spend
every extra dime on tuition,
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133. and everyone makes money.
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134. And that's what's going to
bankrupt the country someday.
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135. You know,
I never thought about it that way,
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136. but damn.
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137. You could be onto something.
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138. You think?
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139. You got a fresh perspective.
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140. You must have heard that before.
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141. Thank you.
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142. So these brides were how young?
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143. Twelve, 13 for sure.
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144. Old enough to pee,
old enough for me. Right?
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145. That's funny.
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146. Hey…
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147. So what's the—
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148. what's the youngest you ever had?
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149. What?
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150. The youngest you ever had.
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151. You first.
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152. Why? I asked first.
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153. You first.
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154. Fourteen.
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155. Did she fight back?
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156. No. You had some fighters?
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157. How old were you?
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158. With the 14-year-old?
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159. She was a freshman.
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160. I was a senior, so I was 17.
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161. - What?
- Seventeen.
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162. Larry.
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163. Is it still dripping?
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164. Drip's turned into leaks.
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165. He had 'em drive
up and down 400 East several times.
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166. 440 South is mentioned four times.
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167. So is 250 East and 375 South.
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168. This is pointless.
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169. He took 'em up and down 550 East the most.
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170. Six times the first time.
Five times the second.
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171. Okay. 550 intersects with 400
at that gas station.
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172. Maybe they stopped
for sodas and bathroom breaks.
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173. I doubt that gas station was there.
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174. That looked pretty new.
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175. So, what was there?
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176. Here it is.
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177. Construction at 550-400 intersection.
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178. Hey, there a manager around?
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179. Dale only comes in a couple times a week.
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180. The rest of the time?
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181. It's just me and Keith.
He works the 3:00 to 11:00.
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182. How long you been here?
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183. Since 6:00.
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184. No, not today.
How long have you worked here?
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185. Six months.
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186. Would you know
how long this place has been open?
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187. A few years, I think.
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188. Dale and Keith know exactly?
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189. Dale's been here since the beginning.
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190. Got his number?
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192. You work on cars here?
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193. No, sir.
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194. Know anybody who does?
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195. Not local, no.
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196. Where's the nearest auto parts dealer
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197. I don't know. Not into cars.
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199. "John Dickey though," what?
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200. He's like a Mr. Fixit.
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201. People bring him stuff to fix sometimes,
but it ain't, like, official.
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202. Uh-huh. John Dickey?
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203. John Dickey Hansen.
He runs a bait shop up the road.
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204. Okay, thanks.
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205. The manager said the station opened
in the spring of '94.
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206. He says he believes they broke ground
around midsummer of '93.
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207. Fucking Larry Hall.
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208. I heard you tried to get
some product in here.
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209. Don't do that.
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210. A shrug is a nonanswer,
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211. and a nonanswer is disrespectful.
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212. I thought about it,
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213. but it turned out
I couldn't get it in here.
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214. But let's say you had.
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215. And you used it
to dig someone out of some trouble
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216. they're having on the outside.
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217. Now, that would help them.
Maybe it'd help you.
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218. But I don't see how it would help me.
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219. I'm not sure I understand.
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220. A man who can't get help anywhere else
eventually comes to me.
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221. And then he's in my debt.
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222. My apologies. Sincerely.
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223. I fucked up. I had no idea.
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224. All right.
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225. I asked around about you. In Milwaukee.
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226. You checked out. Flying colors.
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227. Everyone knew someone who knew someone
who knew you and spoke highly of you.
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228. That's nice.
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229. But no one could remember
laying eyes on you directly.
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230. Everyone knew someone who said they had,
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231. but no one had
actually done it themselves.
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232. What do you make of that?
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234. Is that what they need to do?
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Several times over the years.
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246. That's all that I discuss.
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247. Because you are the patient,
and I am the doctor.
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248. Can't we try, like, role reversal?
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249. Isn't that therapeutic?
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250. And what would you say to me
if you were my doctor?
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251. Bitch, tell me your dreams!
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252. I bet they smell good.
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253. Your children.
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to mask vulnerability.
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257. I'm not vulnerable. You're vulnerable.
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260. It's the best mood I've been in for years,
and you don't like it.
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267. You— Then you'd retire.
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269. Watch them bend over
to do their gardening.
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274. that there are positive signs
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276. What's my affect?
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279. Sometimes a man has
every reason to feel that way.
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280. Well, I've seen you confident before.
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281. When?
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282. When you talk about Civil War history
and engines and old car parts.
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283. I've just never seen you cocky.
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284. That seems more like your friend.
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286. You mean James.
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287. You know who I mean, Larry.
He's very charismatic.
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289. Our paths crossed.
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290. I see what you respond to in him.
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291. He gives off the aura
of someone who's never known regret.
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He never looks back.
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297. But he doesn't, you know, let it warp him.
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298. Is that how you see yourself?
Warped by pain?
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299. Not lately.
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300. Because of James.
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301. I'm…
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302. I'm not alone anymore.
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303. When I was in seventh grade,
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304. Cooper Ross told me, "You're so nice,"
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305. and then he turned red
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306. and couldn't look me in the eyes
for a few minutes.
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307. Hello.
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308. Help you?
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309. Are you John Dickey Hansen?
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310. Well, you can call me JD, if you like.
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311. You sell auto parts here?
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312. Well, if I happen across something that's
worth putting an ad in the Auto Trader,
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313. I might do so.
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315. That's Larry.
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316. So, you know him well?
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317. No, miss.
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318. He's just memorable.
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319. Those mutton chops, whatnot.
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320. Help me out with "whatnot."
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321. He's as creepy as all fuck, you know?
Excuse me.
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322. No, speak freely.
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323. Well, I sold him a pair
of slotted brake rotors
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324. for a '79 Dodge B200
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325. back about, I don't know, '92, '93.
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326. Seemed a harmless squirt of a fella.
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327. Had that look of somebody
who'd never been hugged.
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328. Not even as a baby.
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329. You know, I guess I was too kind to him,
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330. 'cause he started coming back
even when he didn't need a part.
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331. Started just hanging around,
talking up the young girls.
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332. Anything ever happen?
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333. What do you mean, like bad? No.
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334. We run him off after a while.
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335. Every now and then
I wonder what ever became of him.
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336. Since you're coming around
asking about him, figure it ain't good.
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337. Why'd you run him off?
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338. He made too many of the girls
uncomfortable.
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339. Including my own.
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340. Audrey.
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341. She was a teenager then,
but Larry took a shine to her.
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342. Sure didn't sit right with me.
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343. Is Audrey around?
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344. She's in town running some errands.
Should be back soon.
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345. You mind if we wait around?
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346. Not in the least.
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347. When I was 12,
my sister and I got new sneakers.
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348. And almost immediately,
we stepped in cow pies,
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349. even though our parents told us
to stay clear of that field.
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350. Took hours for those shoes to dry.
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351. I don't remember anything we talked about.
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352. Just that we were happy.
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353. Be a good boy.
You listen to your mother.
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354. I don't wanna hear this…
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355. Thank you for using DOP Connect.
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356. To make a call,
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357. That account number is not recognized.
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358. To make a call,
please enter your account number.
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359. That account number is not recognized.
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360. To make a call,
please enter your account number.
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361. That account number is not recog—
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362. That account number is not recog—
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363. That accoun—
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364. Hang up the fucking phone!
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365. This phone?
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366. Be my guest.
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367. …please enter your account number.
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368. …snitch.
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369. Can't have that on the yard.
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370. …snitch.
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371. Yes, sir. I understand what you're saying,
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372. but I'm telling you
there must be a mistake
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373. because I paid that credit card myself
just last week.
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374. You're telling me that my son
can't make or receive calls?
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375. Is that what you're telling me?
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376. Okay, sir, please.
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377. How about if I give you the credit card
right here, right now, over the phone.
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378. Would you be able to connect me then?
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379. Okay. All right. Thank you.
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381. Bitch. Motherfucker.
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382. Jim, I should come with you.
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383. No, hon. I'll be fine.
I just need to clear my head.
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384. Okay. Well, don't get yourself worked up.
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385. I'm taking a drive to relax,
not to get worked up.
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386. All right.
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387. Can you pick us up some Kahlúa
on your way back?
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388. Yeah, imagine that.
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389. Woodshop.
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390. What's that?
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391. Last place I saw Larry.
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393. Couple of weeks.
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395. I send them home.
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397. Donny said that you
almost got into a fight today.
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398. At the phones?
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399. Yeah, some con wanted the phone.
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400. There's some mess-up with my account.
I can't make calls out.
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401. But you funded the account?
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402. Maybe you made an enemy.
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403. Of who?
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404. Someone who works here.
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405. Have you had any disagreements
with anyone lately?
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406. I had some minor words
with a guard yesterday.
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407. Can't remember the guy's name,
but he was just busting my balls.
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411. James, come on. It's me.
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424. Not until recently.
I mean, not back in the 1800s.
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427. - Since high school? I mean…
- No, not high school.
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429. You know, over the high school ages,
have you fucked?
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430. - Eighty.
- What?
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- I guess.
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one or two I'm forgetting about,
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438. - Do you have like a line you use?
- No.
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440. And they talk to me,
and eventually, our clothes come off.
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- I just told you.
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443. I don't follow, Larry. I'm sorry.
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450. - Who was nice, Larry?
- Jessica Roach.
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she was driving up this gravel road.
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but there she was with a flat.
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457. - Oh, no. I just offered her a ride.
- Right.
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and I opened up the doors to the van
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469. Like a rabid squirrel, just
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470. You remember why?
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471. Why are you asking?
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472. Shit, Larry,
I thought we were just talking.
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473. Is that what we're doing?
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474. That's what I'm doing.
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475. She got into my van just fine.
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476. She looked at my bike
and my cleaning supplies.
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477. She asked if I live locally,
and why I had such big burnsides.
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478. She called them sideburns.
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479. I told her about reenactments,
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480. and she asked really good questions,
you know?
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481. She was so curious and so smart.
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482. And so I kissed her.
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483. And that's when she turned mean.
Just awful, slapping me and hitting me.
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484. And I just had to rag her
with the starter fluid.
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485. I had to.
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486. So we drove for a little while.
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487. I was trying to find, like,
a nice, quiet, little place.
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488. And I did,
even though I didn't know where I was
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489. or where we were going, but I found one.
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490. Then what happened?
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491. I— Well, I, you know.
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492. I went into the back of the van with her,
and I ragged her a few more times.
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493. She kept waking up?
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494. She scratched me.
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495. So hard. It was deep.
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496. And when I cleaned out the flesh
from under her nails later on,
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497. there was a lot of me under there.
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498. A lot of me.
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499. You have sex with her?
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500. I knew you were gonna ask that.
No— It's weird.
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501. I don't totally remember.
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502. It was like I blacked out,
but then it was like I was in a dream
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503. where I see myself
beating on her and ragging her,
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504. beating on her and ragging her.
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505. And then I woke up,
and her clothes were off,
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506. and my clothes were off.
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507. So, I…
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508. I think we had sex together.
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509. Sure sounds like it, buddy.
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510. Well, then she started to cry.
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511. Sometimes they do that.
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512. They thought they wanted it,
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513. but they changed their mind
after the fact.
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514. Well, no, she was crying for her mother.
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515. She was, huh?
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516. "I want my mommy.
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517. Just take me to my mommy."
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518. I did not like that.
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519. It made me mad. It ruined everything.
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520. So, I took her out of the van,
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521. and I walked her
pretty far back into the field.
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522. And I found this tree,
and I had made this…
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523. Tool, I guess, that I had made
by putting two leather belts together.
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524. And I had this stick—
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525. Well, I told her to sit down
with her back against the tree.
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526. I didn't want to see her face, you know?
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527. And,
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528. So yeah, so then I quickly whipped
the two belts around her neck,
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529. and I squeezed and put the stick in.
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530. I just started twisting it,
like one of those…
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531. What do you call it…
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532. - Tourniquet?
- Tourniquet, exactly.
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533. Yeah.
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534. I just kept twisting
until she stopped making…
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535. You know.
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536. Sounds.
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537. Well, it sounds like
you did what you had to do.
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538. Never said anything totally gross,
just off.
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539. Always off.
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540. How?
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541. He'd be like,
"You have really pretty ankles."
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542. Or, said to me once,
"Your earlobes are very ripe."
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543. That was Larry making small talk.
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544. Other times, he'd just sit at
one of the picnic benches and just stare.
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545. And, if it got to you
like sometimes it did,
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546. you'd be like, "Larry, what's up?"
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547. And he'd be all, "Did you know
that most cleaners contain lye?"
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548. And then he'd want you to go to his van
and look at the list of ingredients.
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549. - Did you ever go?
- Fuck no.
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550. You know anyone who did?
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551. Not around here, no.
We were all creeped out by him.
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552. Then, when he started to give me stuff…
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553. He gave you stuff?
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554. A pair of earrings once.
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555. A locket.
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556. Pair of used ballet flats.
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557. Were they your size?
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558. Yep. Made it worse.
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559. No chance you kept any of this stuff?
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560. We have a lost and found sale
at the end of every season.
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561. There is one thing
that I didn't throw away.
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562. Last time we ever saw him,
he gave me that.
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563. I never rode it, not once.
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564. Every time I look at it,
it makes me wanna take a shower.
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565. My mother said I was never any trouble
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566. except when I fixated
on something I wanted,
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567. like a dog on a pork chop.
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568. So that's what she'd call it.
My pork chop.
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569. When I was six,
my pork chop was a goldfish.
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570. When I was nine,
it was a pack of butterfly hair clips.
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571. Multicolored.
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572. But my biggest pork chop,
the one I obsessed over
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573. and had to wait
until my 13th birthday for,
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574. and still work off
five months' allowance to get,
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575. was a mountain bike.
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576. I did the math. I lived over 5,000 days.
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577. Over 135,000 hours.
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578. All that time was mine.
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579. You can die, but you can't un-live.
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580. I lived.
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581. Here.
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582. Here.
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583. Here.
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584. And here.
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585. It was great.
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586. It's not enough.
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587. That's bullshit.
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588. Heard of chain of evidence?
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589. We have a witness
who swears Hall gave it to her.
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590. Where's the serial number of the bike?
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591. Someone burned it off with acid.
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592. There's no way to conclusively prove
that this is Jessica Roach's,
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593. unless matching fingerprints
of both Hall and Roach are found on it.
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594. And after four years,
I'm fairly confident it won't be.
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595. We have witnesses who place
Larry Hall in the area…
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596. I'm not trying a new case here.
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597. Where he claimed to have buried Reitler…
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598. I'm defending against a second appeal.
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599. And where he gave someone
Jessica Roach's bike.
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600. It's not enough.
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601. Not even close.
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602. But you did great work here.
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603. You did. This is top-fucking-notch.
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604. Hey, look at me.
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605. You did. But it's not enough.
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606. What would be enough?
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607. I don't know.
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608. But this ain't it.
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609. James?
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610. James.
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611. James, you up?
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612. Well, good night.
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613. Sleep well.
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