American Crime Story 3x9

1. No, rotate.

2. You have to rotate it.

3. Jesus Christ. May I?

4. Oh, thank you.

5. That's Linda Tripp.

6. - Morning, Ron.

7. Hello, Ken, it's Linda Tripp.

8. Again. It was alarming enough to be asked to write a how-to

9. manual for my own job, but it has now been nearly

10. one month since I requested the materials I need to even

11. attempt to start on this,

12. and-and still I've received nothing.

13. At a minimum,

14. I will need my correspondence books

15. and all volumes of the archival histories of JCOC 59 and 60.

16. If anyone cast the slightest glance at my cubicle,

17. they would easily find all of these on my desk there.

18. Lucianne, have you had any occasion to

19. talk to Linda recently?

20. I haven't talked to Linda since, uh, uh, the day

21. she wore the wire to the Ritz-Carlton Hotel.

22. Judge Starr asked her not to be in touch.

23. - With anyone? - Right, with anyone.

24. Are you surprised that only one

25. out of ten Americans view her favorably?

26. No, not with how the White Houe

27. and sundry sympathetic people have

28. framed the discussion of Linda in such a negative wa.

29. Do you think it also might be that people don't

30. like people who tape their friends?

31. Rotate.

32. - Hello. - Hi.

33. This is all that there was. Nothing from your office...

34. Ugh.

35. Oh, and I, uh... I checked the machine.

36. This lady named Jane from The New Yorker,

37. she left, like, four messages.

38. - She's writing an article about... - Fabulous.

39. There's absolutely nothing I can do about that.

40. Well, you could at least call her back and talk to her.

41. Allison, my attorney made it very plain. It would be unwise.

42. I would lose my immunity.

43. Meanwhile, the Clintons get to turn me

44. into Joseph Goebbels.

45. And the whole world believes them.

46. Mom, just come home already.

47. - I'm sick of staying with Dad.

48. Can't blame you on that.

49. - Look, the reporters are gone

50. from our street and I go by every day.

51. Well, you shouldn't.

52. It's not safe.

53. But there's no one there anymore.

54. - I mean, come on. Mom?

55. This? This is not healthy.

56. You have your grand jury thing, you are under

57. so much stress and you are just sitting here alone

58. all day, reading articles about yourself.

59. It's not just my testimony.

60. I'm going to make a statement.

61. What do you mean?

62. I've decided, once I have my freedom back,

63. I'm going to give a speech. I'm going to address the nation.

64. What are you going to say?

65. I'm simply going to tell my story.

66. It's not fair.

67. He didn't get paraded down to the courthouse.

68. He got to testify at home.

69. I'm not the president.

70. Okay, no, really— how do I look?

71. I'm going for "not a deranged whore."

72. Okay, what do you want me to say?

73. I'm about to be questioned by 23 strangers,

74. and whoever they are,

75. I'm sure they already hate me.

76. Are you ready?

77. We committed ourselves to a comprehensive strategy

78. to lower the crime rate and mae America a safer place to live.

79. - I gave him that tie. - What?

80. has shown remarkable result.

81. It's Zegna.

82. I bought it at the Neiman's in Mazza Gallerie.

83. Does he know that she is testifying today?

84. I'm sure.

85. Do you think he's trying to send her a message?

86. I mean, is that even legal?

87. - Should I tell someone about that? - Mom.

88. We should resolve to do better.

89. It's fine. I'm not going to let it mess me up.

90. She's here, she's here! She's in that car!

91. Monica! Hey, Monica!

92. I can save you, Monica!

93. You are going to hell!

94. Monica, how are you feeling?

95. Monica, are you in love with the president?

96. Feel ready?

97. I'm just excited to see the inside of a courtroom.

98. You know, this is the first time Starr's given me anything

99. to do beyond secretarial work.

100. He is old-fashioned.

101. And look, Monica and I are familiar,

102. but Starr does have a point.

103. It's better that a woman asks some of these questions.

104. - She's here. - Okay.

105. You can bring in the jury.

106. - Are they already in there? - Yes, they've just been seated.

107. We'll be right out here, anytime you need.

108. Good morning.

109. You can have a seat right there.

110. Can you raise your right hand?

111. Oh, sure, yes.

112. Do you, Monica S. Lewinsky, swear to tell the truth,

113. the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

114. I do.

115. Now, uh, Ms. Lewinsky, what we're going to do

116. is we're going to start off

117. talking about your relationship with the president.

118. Do I not get to learn people's names?

119. Uh, the answer to that is no.

120. Um, I know it seems kind of...

121. Kind of awkward.

122. It's important that the record have no identifications.

123. Oh, okay.

124. Now, as we have discussed, our office feels you'll be more

125. comfortable getting certain questions from Ms. Immergut,

126. so I'm going to turn it over to her now.

127. Ms. Lewinsky,

128. when did you start your relationship

129. with the president of the United States?

130. November 15, 1995.

131. Um, it was during the shutdown

132. when I was assigned to the West Wing.

133. Can you tell the grand jury what happened?

134. Around... uh, around 8:00 in the evening

135. I was headed into Mr. Stephanopoulos's office.

136. The president... was in there.

137. He invited me into the next room and then...

138. we kissed.

139. Did anything else happen between you?

140. Um...

141. And we were more... physically intimate after that.

142. And what do you mean by that?

143. On that occasion, did you

144. perform oral sex on the president?

145. God, this is embarrassing.

146. I assure you we won't be dwelling on this.

147. Yes, I did.

148. Jesus.

149. Was there any other physical intimacy performed?

150. Everything up to oral sex.

151. Now, to avoid you having to go into each subsequent

152. act of physical intimacy,

153. we'll introduce what we have marked as Exhibit ML-7.

154. Did you provide all the information listed

155. on this chart?

156. Yes, I did.

157. This details each of your sexual encounters

158. with President Clinton.

159. To the best of your knowledge,

160. is it all accurate?

161. Yes. I want to hide under this table, but yes.

162. Ms. Lewinsky, did your relationship with the president

163. have a... non-sexual component?

164. - Yes, it did. - Could you describe that

165. for the grand jury?

166. Sure, um...

167. It was more than just...

168. We enjoyed being with each other.

169. He'd— we would tell jokes,

170. talk about our childhoods, current events.

171. Sometimes we'd just...

172. Um, we'd just be affectionate.

173. He'd push my hair out of my face.

174. I think back on it and...

175. he always made me smile when I was with him.

176. It was a lot of, uh...

177. He was sunshine.

178. - We okay for a break? - Uh, yeah, ten minutes?

179. Ten minutes, everyone.

180. Moving through your affidavit here, let me ask you a question.

181. Paragraph eight begins,

182. "I have never had a sexual relationship

183. with the president."

184. Is that true?

185. - No. - Okay,

186. so the next logical

187. why were you willing to say something false

188. under penalty of perjury?

189. Uh, I did not think my... my private relationship

190. was anyone's business.

191. No one asked me to lie— not the president, not anyone.

192. I made that decision. By myself.

193. And I wish I hadn't, to put it mildly.

194. Thank you.

195. Now, the grand jury has some questions for you.

196. - Okay. - Did you and the president

197. ever talk about denying the relationship

198. if anyone asked about it?

199. I offered that on-on my own.

200. I always told him I would deny it.

201. Why did you keep that stained black dress?

202. - It's a blue dress. - Blue. - Blue.

203. Answer the question, please.

204. Well, I have a lot of clothes,

205. and so I don't usually dry-clean things

206. until I'm going to wear them again.

207. Like, I don't know how you guys are,

208. but you have clothes to dry-clean

209. and you kind of keep them in your closet until you

210. dry-clean them all together when you need them.

211. And now I feel like I'm talking about

212. dry-cleaning too much and the process around dry-cleaning.

213. Anyway, with that dress...

214. I was going to wear it again

215. and when I told Linda that,

216. she told me I looked heavy in it.

217. Um, so I-I never ended up wearing it again.

218. Ergo I never cleaned it. Does that answer your question?

219. Ms. Lewinsky, did your mother ever discourage

220. your relationship with the president?

221. Oh, yes.

222. Well, then, what kept it going?

223. I fell in love.

224. I have a question.

225. You said you felt you were in

226. a real relationship.

227. A real connection.

228. - Yes. - With this married man.

229. - Yes. - It's been in the papers

230. you had a relationship before.

231. Similar to this, a married man.

232. The way Kate and Andy Bleiler made it seem on TV,

233. it's-it's not entirely accurate.

234. I-If that's the part that you're, um...

235. The only part I know is that

236. he was a married man and had a family.

237. Yes.

238. Like I know about the president.

239. We're asked to trust your version of events,

240. but it seems you arrived in D.C. and sought out

241. a-an affair based on deception and lies.

242. Did you not believe that this was wrong?

243. My intention...

244. when I came to Washington was to start over.

245. I did not want to have another affair

246. with a married man because it was horrible.

247. And I don't know why I did it again.

248. I just know that I did it again.

249. And I know a lot of... a lot of people think that

250. that's wrong, and so do I.

251. I know there's a lot of work I need to do on myself.

252. I just feel I had to ask the question because

253. a lot of us are confused.

254. - I'm not. - No need to be rude.

255. Oh, it's okay.

256. In a way, I really, I really appreciate

257. you asking me where I'm coming from,

258. 'cause most people just assume when it comes to me, so...

259. Um, I really respect your question

260. and I-I appreciate what you're saying.

261. Whatever your name is.

262. Oh, Ms. Lewinsky...

263. Can you, can you guys call me Monica?

264. Are-are they allowed to call me Monica?

265. If you say so.

266. Sure.

267. I'm just 25. Please.

268. But you'll be Ms. Lewinsky whether you're 25 or 28 or...

269. - Not when I get married.

270. Monica, do you still love the president?

271. The day they held me at the Ritz,

272. they wanted me to turn on him.

273. I said no.

274. I-I did not want to do anything to let him get hurt.

275. And then when this all came out,

276. the-the people that worked for him,

277. they trashed me.

278. They claim that they haven't,

279. but they call me a stalker. They called me a liar.

280. They say I'm inappropriate. I mean, you all know.

281. And then he makes this speech.

282. And he says...

283. He makes it seem like...

284. all that he cares about is how unfair all of this

285. - has been to him. - Mm.

286. So to— sorry— to answer your question, um...

287. it turns out he's not who I thought he was.

288. Monica, about that day you just mentioned

289. when you were approached by Mr. Emmick

290. and the OIC, can you tell us a little bit about that?

291. Oh, um...

292. If I could ask, uh, what areas are you

293. wanting to get into?

294. Because we're already tight for time and, uh,

295. well, you know, there were...

296. many hours of activity.

297. Just want to know about that day.

298. Okay, well, how about we table that for now...

299. - No, I want to hear about that. - We should be able to hear about that day.

300. Let her talk. Why not?

301. Let her talk.

302. All right, go ahead.

303. So, you were approached in the food court

304. at Pentagon City by two FBI agents.

305. Linda Tripp had lied to get you there. Is that right?

306. Uh, yes.

307. And then they proceeded to take you up to a hotel room.

308. Why didn't you ask for your lawyer?

309. I did.

310. But they told me I was in trouble and that

311. I wouldn't be able to help myself with my attorney present,

312. so I just did what they said.

313. It was the FBI and I was really scared.

314. What happened when you got up there?

315. S-Sorry.

316. Would it be okay— uh, can you step out?

317. Karin can take over from here, right?

318. Karin can take over.

319. Karin can stay.

320. Thank you.

321. They said if I called my lawyer, I wouldn't be offered immunity.

322. Did you feel threatened by that?

323. Did they offer you a chance to call another attorney?

324. They suggested one.

325. Did you take them up on that?

326. - No. - Why not?

327. - Because I didn't trust them. - Hmm.

328. It sounds as though they were actively discouraging you

329. from talking to an attorney.

330. Well, from talking to Frank Carter.

331. Yes, Frank Carter, my only attorney.

332. Are we due for a ten-minute break?

333. No, ma'am.

334. It lasted about 12 hours in total.

335. My God. Wow.

336. And they told me over and over that I was free

337. to leave, but I didn't.

338. I didn't understand because they also said

339. they were prepared to indict me and I could

340. spend up to 28 years in prison and that they would

341. prosecute my mother if I didn't help them, you know? So...

342. I was, uh, confused and, uh...

343. Were you angry?

344. Yes, mostly at myself.

345. For ending up in this situation.

346. And for putting the president at risk.

347. And...

348. And-and for, uh, doing this to my family.

349. Monica, they set you in a trap.

350. - Mm-hmm. - It's what they do.

351. Monica, is there anything else you'd like to add

352. to your testimony?

353. We want to give you the fullest opportunity.

354. Um...

355. Uh...

356. I guess I want to say that no one asked me to lie.

357. And I was never promised a job for my silence.

358. Mostly I'm sorry.

359. I'm really sorry for everything that happened.

360. - And I hate Linda Tripp.

361. I know that's right.

362. Forget her.

363. - What goes around comes around. It does.

364. I am going to go in and remove some

365. extra cartilage and bone right here.

366. Then I'm going to go ahead and pull the skin

367. off of the issue so I can chisel that bump down.

368. Then we fracture it so that we can close the roof,

369. much the same way you would on a house.

370. Does that make sense?

371. Um...

372. Yeah.

373. Dr. Loeb does wonderful work.

374. Oh, thanks. Okay, I'm going to go ahead

375. and step out and do my final prep.

376. I'll see you in there.

377. Okay.

378. - Where's Steve? - Oh, he didn't want to come.

379. Is he still in a funk about losing his job?

380. Gosh, yes, he's...

381. blaming my case and says the airline fired him because of

382. pressure from Clinton, but, Susie,

383. he wouldn't work the hours that they wanted him to.

384. I think that's all that it is.

385. Well, did you tell him that?

386. He won't listen to me.

387. Hey. You nervous?

388. I'm just glad that people'll stop making fun

389. of my big ol' awful nose.

390. I'm told there is a Russian children's verse that says,

391. "What do we plant when we plant a new wood?

392. Boats in which waves can safely be withstood."

393. In both our nations, music education is that

394. sturdy boat that lifts us up,

395. that carries our unique cultural treasures into the future.

396. And now, it is my honor to introduce to you Bill Clinton,

397. - president of the United States.

398. Mr. President, Mr. Bowles said you wanted this list...

399. I know what it is. Thanks.

400. Betty, would you ask the first lady to come see me?

401. Right away, sir.

402. You wanted to see me?

403. I wanted to say something.

404. 25 years, you're the one opinion I give a shit about.

405. Most men of our age, they... they find their wives so dull

406. they cringe when she talks at dinner.

407. I pity those men.

408. They don't have what I do.

409. I gave in to a disgusting impulse.

410. Because I didn't know how to walk down the hall

411. and say to my best friend

412. that this job is lonely

413. and I'm worn to the bone...

414. and I'm dead inside half the time.

415. There's been hell raining down on us

416. from the day we walked into this place.

417. You know, every move we make— the right,

418. the press, they seize, attack and drag us

419. through the streets over nothing.

420. And I know it's stupid, but when Newt shuts down the government,

421. and Starr has slithered into our lives

422. to look for malfeasance in every line of every receipt

423. of every piddly thing we've ever bought,

424. I thought I had to be strong for us.

425. And instead, I fucked it all up.

426. When it first came out, I was so ashamed I wanted to

427. crawl in a hole and disappear.

428. I couldn't bear what I'd done to you and Chelsea.

429. I couldn't face telling you, I just couldn't.

430. So I made it worse and I lied.

431. Everything good in my life comes out of us together.

432. I don't know who I am without you.

433. I know you said you didn't care why it happened.

434. But I wanted you to know.

435. Is that all?

436. No.

437. I love you.

438. That's all.

439. - Mom? - Busy.

440. There's all this stuff in here.

441. I didn't know that you were arrested.

442. It was a teen prank.

443. Some boys put things in my purse as a joke.

444. Okay, but this part about your dad—

445. I mean, you don't talk about him my entire life and I have

446. no idea why until someone writes an article about it.

447. Oh, my God.

448. Jesus Christ.

449. - Unbelievable. - What?

450. None of this is what I asked for.

451. They know what I need to do my job and they...

452. they send me a completely useless pile of paper.

453. And look at the shape it's in.

454. This is a message.

455. Could just be one of the lazier secretaries.

456. Bring my purse.

457. - Oh, my God. - Linda,

458. I didn't know you were coming in.

459. I need to see Ken.

460. - Excuse me. - I work here.

461. Uh...

462. No, I have to go. Okay, it's just— Leave us.

463. Linda, you know you cannot just...

464. Did you oversee and approve this shipment?

465. - What? - It's a simple question.

466. Did you oversee and approve this shipment?

467. - I can't say that I have any... - Because I asked for the basic materials

468. I need to do my job and what I got

469. was random printed email traffic.

470. Some JCOC participant list thrown violently into a box.

471. - Linda. - This is chilling.

472. This is veiled hostility from my colleagues,

473. simply because I'm a cooperating witness

474. in a federal investigation.

475. I'm sure it was just an honest mistake.

476. - We are past that, Ken. - Listen.

477. Just write down exactly what you need

478. - and then we... - What I need

479. is to come here like normal and do my work.

480. And I do not doubt that you'll be able to do that soon,

481. and that things will settle down,

482. but DOD just opened this investigation

483. - and until we... - What?

484. What investigation?

485. They'll be contacting you.

486. When you were hired,

487. you affirmed on your DD 398 that you had never been arrested.

488. Now, The New Yorker has come out...

489. It was a teen prank!

490. - Linda... - On me!

491. The charges were dropped.

492. Linda, you cannot lie to the Department of Defense

493. on a security clearance form.

494. That is a serious crime.

495. I see.

496. I see now.

497. You see what?

498. They're really coming after me.

499. Okay, well...

500. Good afternoon, ma'am. I'm Special Agent Irons

501. with the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

502. This is Special Agent Fallon.

503. Do you have a moment to speak with us?

504. Thank you, ma'am.

505. We're detailed with the Office

506. of Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr.

507. Perhaps you've seen Judge Starr on the news.

508. Well, he's finishing up his investigation,

509. preparing to make a report to Congress.

510. We're just here following up on some threads.

511. Ma'am, as you may know, the president and others

512. are in legal peril because of false affidavits

513. filed in the Paula Jones lawsuit.

514. We're just dotting our I's, Ms. Broaddrick. You understand.

515. Now, here is your Jones affidavit.

516. You swore this a few months back.

517. Here, you state that President Bill Clinton

518. never made any unwanted sexual advances toward you.

519. Ma'am, were you being truthful when you signed your name

520. to this statement?

521. I don't...

522. I don't get it.

523. Okay. Thank you. Bye.

524. How was your audition?

525. It sucked.

526. - Who was that? - The lawyers. They said...

527. the judge did a summary judgment.

528. Mm. What is that?

529. It's... it's bad.

530. It means that she threw out the case.

531. The Supreme Court said you had a case.

532. But now the judge says I don't, so I...

533. I guess it's over.

534. What? What-what do we get? How much money we get?

535. Well, that's what I'm saying. Um...

536. It's nothing. We get nothing.

537. - The fuck? - I know.

538. - I know, I need to call Susie. - Oh, yeah, great idea.

539. Smart. She always makes things better.

540. - Steve, don't. - No, no, we need to go back

541. and we need to take Clinton's deal.

542. I wanted that money.

543. What? No, no, but you and Susie

544. told me that I shouldn't take it, so...

545. I don't wanna hear your fucking voice.

546. Wait, but that is not fair because I— gosh,

547. I only ever started doing this 'cause you wanted me to.

548. I-I did... I did all this for you.

549. You sound pretty stupid right now with your face

550. all broken from a nose job.

551. Because I got a bad nose,

552. which I didn't even know I had

553. until you made me do this and be on TV

554. and people laughed at me, but...

555. but I did it, like I always do what you say.

556. You think I liked moving to California,

557. where I've never seen so many people

558. who smile while they hate you

559. and it makes my skin fucking crawl

560. and it's sunny all day and it's...

561. You think it'll be better if we move home,

562. where everyone knows exactly who you are and what you did?

563. What do you mean, "what I did"?

564. What do you mean?

565. Say it. Say it, Steve.

566. You think I did it.

567. You think I went up there and I gave him a blow job.

568. Yeah, okay, okay.

569. I can take this from Jay Leno

570. and people laughing at me at Vons, but...

571. from you?

572. You're supposed to believe me!

573. We are fighting to show people that he did me wrong!

574. And...

575. And in reality, all-all this is—

576. all the press conferences and all the magazines

577. and-and the TV shows

578. and the lawyers and more lawyers and more lawyers—

579. it's just me trying to get you to believe me!

580. Which we both know you never did, so you know what?

581. If you want to say I'm stupid, well, fuck you!

582. But most of all, if I'm stupid on one thing,

583. it was believing that you were any more

584. than a chickenshit asshole who cared about me at all!

585. Oh, you think I'm gonna ask you to stay?

586. Okay, it's pretty simple.

587. You listen to all of these tapes. After each one,

588. you sign the tape, as well as sign

589. and date those documents,

590. confirming that the voices are you and Linda Tripp.

591. I have to listen to all of these?

592. They're all evidence.

593. Karin here will sit in with you.

594. I would, but I gotta get to the courthouse.

595. What's happening at the courthouse?

596. Do you, Linda R. Tripp, swear to tell the truth,

597. the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

598. I do.

599. You ready?

600. Hi. Hi.

601. How are you?

602. Uh, now, with Mr. Wisenberg's assistance,

603. I'd like to read to you

604. what the grand jury has come to know as Tape 11.

605. You have a, uh, transcript there.

606. Okay.

607. "Linda, I got the creep a tie.

608. It was 20 bucks at Marshalls."

609. "Oh, good, who makes it?"

610. "Calvin Klein. It's gorgeous, Linda."

611. "Yeah, Marshalls generally,

612. every now and then, you can hit."

613. "It's really different from all the other ones I've given him.

614. "I'm putting a note with it.

615. I wrote such a funny card to him."

616. Linda Tripp laughs.

617. I said, "This tie will

618. "look good with either a taupe or navy suit

619. "and a white or a light blue shirt.

620. - That is, if you like it." Mm-hmm.

621. "And then do you know what I wrote?

622. "I said, 'And just think, now you can pay homage to me

623. "if you want by having a work week in which you

624. wear one of my ties every day.'"

625. Linda Tripp laughs.

626. Ms. Lewinsky laughs.

627. 'Cause this is the fifth one, right?

628. You have to give him one for the weekend days, too.

629. "That's what I want. That's my fantasy.

630. To have the creep wear one of my ties every day."

631. Um, Ms. Tripp, who was the creep?

632. The president of the United States.

633. Was this typical of the sort of subject

634. you and Monica Lewinsky would discuss?

635. Yes, we almost never talked about anything

636. aside from the president.

637. She shared a lot of intimate details with you, did she not?

638. She did.

639. I was upset before,

640. but not like I am now.

641. Oh, man.

642. It's too much for one person.

643. Oh, it is too much for one person.

644. Yes, it is.

645. Moving into November 1997.

646. Is it fair to say that Ms. Lewinsky was increasingly

647. distraught on her calls with you?

648. Yes, she was obsessed with the president's lack of contact.

649. And what typically would happen when she tried to make contact?

650. She would call Betty Currie and then call me

651. to tell me she called Betty.

652. And then, if Betty hadn't gotten back to her

653. within an hour, she would get angry

654. and call Betty again, then call me again.

655. Crescendoing to some sort of nuclear outburst.

656. Okay, now I'd like to move...

657. Sorry, can I ask a question?

658. Did you want Monica to stop calling you?

659. Yes.

660. Her behavior became volatile. Very erratic.

661. So why did you not just say, "Please stop calling me"?

662. That's what my kid said.

663. So why didn't you?

664. Well, at a, at a certain point,

665. you can't unring a bell.

666. You talk like this was a grave situation

667. and harmful for Monica, right?

668. - Yes, very. - But earlier

669. we heard you encouraging her

670. to buy him a tie for each day of the week.

671. Well, that...

672. I was joking.

673. And when Monica said, "I got the creep a tie.

674. It was 20 bucks at Marshalls,"

675. you replied, "Oh, good."

676. Well, I was being...

677. That was more of a pro-Marshalls.

678. So, was this a serious situation or was this a joking matter?

679. That's one moment out of context.

680. Or were you just trying to keep her talking?

681. Because by then you were taping.

682. I prefer to call it documenting.

683. Why did you tape her?

684. We'll get to that in just a little bit.

685. I documented our phone calls because I knew

686. - I needed evidence. - Evidence for what?

687. Well, for— so when I came forward...

688. - But it was a private matter. - I don't think you comprehend...

689. It was between Monica and the president.

690. No one needed to know.

691. Actually, this was a very young staffer

692. in a workplace with the most senior official

693. in that workplace making choices

694. that were causing her severe distress.

695. She told me on more than one occasion

696. she wanted to kill herself.

697. And still, the president of the United States

698. used her to meet his needs.

699. He had total control. His behavior was unconscionable.

700. It was an abuse of power.

701. - Mrs. Tripp... - I had to end it.

702. I had to end it.

703. Mrs. Tripp, when you chose to...

704. begin documenting Monica,

705. you were under enormous stress, correct?

706. I was terrified.

707. I knew if I came forward with no evidence,

708. they would destroy me.

709. When you say "they," who are you referring to?

710. Bill Clinton.

711. And, uh, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

712. - Oh, man.

713. The president's lawyer had already made

714. a defamatory statement about me in Newsweek.

715. I was sure I was going to be subpoenaed

716. in the Paula Jones case.

717. I felt, if I told the truth under oath,

718. I would lose my job.

719. Or worse.

720. You thought if you told the truth in the Paula Jones case...

721. I was afraid I wouldn't even get the chance.

722. Are you— are you saying you thought you would be killed?

723. Yes.

724. - Why? - I have what I consider

725. well-founded fears

726. of what this administration is capable of.

727. Can you give an example?

728. I have, uh, reason to believe

729. that the Vince Foster tragedy was not

730. depicted accurately by members of the administration.

731. Are you— are you saying he didn't commit suicide?

732. We will never know.

733. Mrs. Tripp, do you have information

734. about the White House and the death of Vince Foster?

735. I'll just say this.

736. The day after that tragedy,

737. the behavior I saw in the West Wing frightened me.

738. There was a flurry of activity, boxes

739. and secrecy behind closed doors.

740. I was concerned, and I was alarmed.

741. Because people were meeting behind closed doors?

742. It was far more ominous than that.

743. I am telling you, under oath today,

744. that I felt threatened.

745. And I was angry. And I resented it.

746. - And still do. I have a question.

747. Did you ever think about what would happen

748. to Monica when all this came out?

749. All right, call me back, you nut.

750. Ugh. I will, I will. - Bye.

751. - Done. - Your attorney

752. has a car waiting for you out back.

753. If you want, I can...

754. I know the way.

755. I thought, uh, if this became public,

756. Monica would not be in any sort of danger.

757. But you said you felt dangers, both personal

758. and professional, could befall you.

759. What crossed your mind that would befall Monica?

760. Uh, what-what would befall her?

761. Did you have any fears for her?

762. All these details in the publi.

763. She was... I-I think I said this.

764. Uh, she was suicidal.

765. You're not answering her question.

766. What Monica was going through was extremely unhealthy.

767. But you didn't think it would bring her harm?

768. Well, not compared to...

769. - No. - Why not?

770. Uh, pardon?

771. Why would you not think about her?

772. I was thinking that she was in a tremendously bad situation.

773. And do you feel now she's better off because of what you did?

774. Do you feel her life is better now?

775. - How'd it go? - Ready, Linda?

776. You sure?

777. You don't have to do this right now.

778. We understand

779. there is some interest in hearing from Ms. Tripp.

780. She will not be taking any questions today.

781. She has, however, agreed to make some brief remarks.

782. Good afternoon. I'm not a public speaker.

783. I'm going to have to refer to my notes.

784. Please bear with me.

785. I understand that there's been a great deal of speculation

786. about just who I am and how I got here.

787. Well, the answer is simple.

788. I'm you. I'm just like you.

789. I'm an average American who found herself in a situation

790. not of her own making.

791. Because I am just like you, I ask you to imagine how you

792. would feel if someone you thought was a friend

793. urged you to commit a felony.

794. Imagine how you would feel if your boss's attorney

795. called you a liar in front of the whole country.

796. And imagine if that boss

797. was the president of the United States.

798. Imagine how you would feel if your employer demoted you

799. and cast you aside, for daring to tell the truth.

800. Imagine how it would feel to see the pain in your children's eyes

801. when they hear a seemingly endless barrage

802. of lies about their mother.

803. A mother who is not going out to defend herself.

804. I've been vilified for taking the path of truth.

805. I've been maligned by people who have chosen

806. not to tell the truth,

807. and who know they are not telling the truth.

808. To cast me in the role of the villain,

809. they have enlisted legions of paid prevaricators.

810. Not surprisingly, many from the entertainment industry

811. have chosen to ridicule me as well.

812. Going so far as to even make fun of my appearance

813. in a manner so mean and so cruel that I pray none of you

814. is ever subjected to it.

815. Despite all of that,

816. I bear no malice towards anyone in this case.

817. I believe in our country.

818. As I said, I am no different than any of you.

819. I believe you have the right to tell the truth under oath

820. without fear of retribution or worse.

821. I hope that when all the facts are revealed,

822. you'll understand that it is a right

823. all of us should be fighting for.

824. Thank you.

825. Why did you betray Monica Lewinsky?

826. We're not taking any questions.

827. Linda, do you regret taping Monica?

828. Isn't it true you manipulated her?

829. Did you do all this for a book deal?

830. The atmosphere feels very different

831. - among the party now. Look, I've read

832. the deposition and it's very clear...

833. Members of President Clinton's

834. own party are now wavering in their support,

835. including my guest,

836. Congressman Jim Moran.

837. The fact is he lied to the American people.

838. That is undoubtedly going to

839. necessitate impeachment proceedings.

840. Andrew Johnson— worst leader this country ever had.

841. Racist to his core, drunk as hell

842. the day he took over for Lincoln.

843. 1868 Congress finally impeached his ass.

844. Only president that's happened to, only one.

845. Till now.

846. I hate it when you're like this.

847. We have not lost anything, not yet.

848. I'll call Jim Moran.

849. What'll you say?

850. I will say that if he thinks he is fighting for me,

851. then he needs to fight on my side.

852. And the way I see it,

853. there are forces that have been trying to take my husband

854. down his whole life and I don't want them to win.

855. And I won't let them.

856. And yes, the right's got the votes,

857. and I'm sure they will do their worst.

858. But to state the obvious,

859. you are not Andrew fucking Johnson.

860. And the last billion times the GOP has tried to destroy us,

861. we have wiped the floor with them.

862. Have you seen the polls?

863. Every step they take towards this

864. moronic idea, your approval jumps a point.

865. Nobody's looking at the polls.

866. My own party isn't looking at the polls.

867. They just need permission to forgive you.

868. Which is something that you can't give them.

869. But I can.

870. This is all the FBI interviews?

871. We're waiting on a few more.

872. We have a problem.

873. We need to put Monica back under oath.

874. - Why? - Our perjury charge rests on the president

875. claiming that technically he didn't have sex with her because

876. he never touched her with intent to arouse.

877. He's lying, but here's hours and hours

878. of Monica's testimony, and she never once

879. speaks about all the times

880. that he touched her with intent to arouse.

881. It was implied on our chart.

882. That's weak shit. We need her under oath, in detail,

883. on all the sex, proving him wrong.

884. Okay, let's bring her back in.

885. Gosh, who's going to handle asking her about that?

886. We are on the record. Monica, you're still under oath.

887. First, I want to start by asking you a general question.

888. Did your relationship with President Clinton

889. start with sex and then evolve into

890. a friendship or the other way around?

891. It started with a physical attraction

892. which led to a sexual relationship.

893. And then the emotional and...

894. friendship aspects of that relationship developed

895. after the beginning of the sexual relationship.

896. Why don't we start with the first incident

897. November 15, 1995,

898. which you've already testified some about.

899. - Okay. - Can you tell me

900. how the physical intimacy between you two

901. began that night?

902. Um...

903. Well, we were, uh...

904. in an office alone.

905. Kissing, you know?

906. And then what happened after the kissing started?

907. Um, he started untucking my shirt.

908. And then what?

909. I'm sorry. For legal reasons,

910. I need to get specifically what happened.

911. Each physical interaction.

912. Okay.

913. Um...

914. So, he took off my sweater and, you know...

915. Did he touch your breasts?

916. - Yes. - With your bra on or off?

917. I...

918. I-I... I don't remember if I unhooked my bra

919. or if he, um...

920. lifted my...

921. bra up over— This is embarrassing.

922. I know.

923. I'm sorry.

924. But he...

925. He lifted the bra over your breasts.

926. Um... sometimes...

927. he would lift my-my breasts out of my bra. God.

928. Did he touch your breasts with his hands?

929. Yes.

930. Did he touch your breasts with his mouth?

931. - Yes. - Did he touch your genital area?

932. Uh, I-I know this is...

933. It's just, um, thinking about other people reading this...

934. I understand, but I've been instructed

935. to question you on these details.

936. - And I have to answer? - Pursuant to the agreement

937. you have with this office, yes.

938. Do you understand?

939. - Yes. - Okay.

940. Did he touch your genitals on this date?

941. Yes.

942. Can you describe exactly how that happened?

943. He, um...

944. The president...

945. uh, got a call, so we moved into a back office.

946. While he was on the phone...

947. he put his hand, uh, down my pants and he...

948. stimulated that area.

949. Directly on your skin or through underwear?

950. It was, um, touching...

951. through my underwear at first and then he

952. placed his hand under my underwear.

953. And did he bring you to orgasm?

954. Yes. - Okay.

955. On this night, did you perform oral sex on the president?

956. Yes.

957. Who initiated that?

958. I did.

959. Did the president say anything to you during this?

960. No.

961. He was on the phone.

962. Would you like a break?

963. Moving to March 31, 1996,

964. did the president stimulate your genitals?

965. Yes.

966. Was that through clothing?

967. Not through clothing.

968. And he stimulated your genitals with his hands?

969. Yes. And...

970. And?

971. He used, um...

972. He had a cigar.

973. I'm sorry, could you speak just a little louder for the tape?

974. Okay, sorry.

975. He had a cigar.

976. Did he insert the cigar into your vagina?

977. I'm sorry, I'm gonna need you to answer verbally.

978. Yes.

979. Whose idea, um...?

980. How did that...?

981. Um, we were talking, um,

982. in the Oval Office...

983. one day and he was,

984. uh, he-he was chewing on a...

985. cigar and he looked at it in a sort of...

986. naughty way and I said,

987. "We can do that sometime." So we did.

988. Did you understand it to be arousing?

989. - Yes. - Then what happened?

990. Um...

991. He put it in his mouth. He said it tasted good.

992. Okay, I have just one last question.

993. It goes to your motivation.

994. Do you for any reason want to hurt the president?

995. No, that's the last thing I want.

996. All right.

997. Thank you. You did really well, Monica.

998. That's all I have. I have to run this in.

999. Pam can help you see yourself out.

1000. Is it a boy or a girl?

1001. Uh... It's a boy.

1002. Mazel tov.

1003. For your sake, I hope this is goodbye.

1004. I want the full report ready for Congress by Labor Day.

1005. Judge, that's two weeks from now.

1006. Any closer to the election and it will

1007. appear like a political hit on the Democrats.

1008. Brett, please make sure everyone has their drafts in

1009. by September 4th.

1010. - Got it. - Our FBI guys just sent this 302.

1011. It's a new interview with Jane Doe 5.

1012. Real name Juanita Broaddrick. She's changing her statement.

1013. - What she's saying? - That Bill Clinton raped her.

1014. This is that same woman who, back in January,

1015. signed an affidavit saying nothing ever happened.

1016. Right. Now she says that was a lie.

1017. Why is she lying? Was she coerced by the Clintons?

1018. - No. - Was she offered something?

1019. No, no quid pro quo. She's saying she lied at first

1020. because she didn't want to be involved.

1021. She's had no contact with Clinton people since the '80s.

1022. Well, if he didn't pressure her,

1023. then it doesn't go to his criminality.

1024. Except for the raping.

1025. H-He raped her.

1026. We can't be cluttering the report with all

1027. the various sexual experiences from his past.

1028. Yeah, there's only so much ink in the world, Sol.

1029. I just... Judge, read the 302, read what he did.

1030. Perjury and obstruction of justice.

1031. Those are our grounds for impeachment,

1032. not some lady who changes her mind

1033. about what happened one night.

1034. But...

1035. Okay. So, should we not put her in the report at all?

1036. It can be an appendix if you want.

1037. Put her in a footnote.

1038. Okay.

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