1. Your Honor, opposing counsel has had
two weeks with this request.
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why it has to take place here,
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my client has taken Ms. Clark's
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very seriously.
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8. May we ascertain whether Ms. Clark has
some sort of respiratory issue?
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9. - Oh, objection!
- Sustained. Oh, wait—
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your place in this court room.
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an officer of the court.
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13. Of course, yes, my apologies
to the court, Your Honor.
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17. Rather than pay added child support
to pay strangers
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20. Ms. Clark!
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outside of protocol,
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23. I am not Lance Ito.
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24. - Continue.
Thank you, Your Honor.
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26. Excuse me. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry.
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29. - Here you go.
- Thank you very much.
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30. I'm sorry.
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31. Honored you could join us today,
Ms. Clark.
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32. My apologies to the court, Your Honor.
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33. Are you okay?
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35. what did the defendant say
to your sister?
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used to that kind of treatment—
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41. Overrukad.
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42. Was he angry?
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43. When he grabbed her crotch in front
of everyone and said that.
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44. No. That's just the kind of
person he was.
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45. He wanted everyone to know that
she was his property.
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have to do—
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47. - I can stop this.
- It's too much, she's crying on cue,
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48. and they feel it. It's backfiring.
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50. Yeah. It's just so hard.
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51. Court will resume Monday at 9:00 a.m.
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52. That was strong.
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53. You know, Johnnie? It's Friday.
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it's gonna sit with them all weekend.
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55. I certainly hope so, Chris.
I certainly hope so.
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58. ? Can't go no further
Because you got me chained S
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59. In the O.J. trial,
Nicole's sister; Denise Brown,
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60. on the stand today,
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Will it make a difference?
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but first, let's get into a subject
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63. from the O.J. trial,
that's got front pages sizzling,
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64. Marcia Clark and the clothing
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style expert and author of
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They Are The Only Thing,
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how Marcia Clark prosecutes style.
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68. Oh, Jesus!
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70. Well, what we see with
Marcia Clark is frump incarnate.
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71. - Guilty as charged
- it's a look, that's for sure.
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this is a cry for help.
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- Hi, sweetie.
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because I can smell smoking.
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from school today,
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because it was still in my bag,
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some of your lunch sometimes
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- Me too.
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84. Do you want me to come
give you a hug?
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85. Travis, there is nothing I would like
more in the world.
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Little heart of mine?
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91. - Smoking's gross, Mom.
- Mm-hmm. That it is.
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Chained and bound?
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96. ? Oh, now?
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97. ? Taller than the tallest sky I'
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On a vine I'
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Chained and bound?
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103. ? I'm chained
I'm chained to your love?
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104. - What?
- You're not going to like this. It...
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A petition for primary custody?
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106. Come on, Marcia, you keep calling me
asking me to pitch in.
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107. This is only temporary until
your trial of the century is over.
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108. Marcia, please,
just let the lawyers handle this.
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109. I am a lawyer. Why should I be
penalized for doing my job?
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110. Why should the kids be?
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111. I'm more than a great mother to them,
you know that. You said it.
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112. Sure! When you're there.
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113. Right now they spend all their time
with babysitters.
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in their best interest?
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115. You know why I have to work so hard?
Because I have a family to support.
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is there for them.
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117. Excuse me.
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118. Carl, take a look at these two
note cards of Shawn's.
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based on race."
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123. I ran into Geffen,
the whole Sue Mengers thing.
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124. I, I, I'm sorry.
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is the story.
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130. and she's telling a story, but
instead of responding to her story,
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131. or refuting the story,
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a more credible one.
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133. We need to gather the jury
around a fire
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134. and tell a better story.
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135. We need to make them believe.
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136. Now where's that folder?
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137. The one with the three stooges
at Rockingham that night, yes.
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Why is that?
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at Rockingham,
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142. Well, at that point, we went
from the intention of notifying
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of his ex-wife to
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145. We were concerned for the well being
of Mr. Simpson himself.
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and a question.
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they used to be married to
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154. Well, every situation is different
and there were children involved.
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155. Hmm.
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156. And at the Bundy scene, didn't
Detective Fuhrman inform you that
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157. Mr. Simpson and the victim
had a history of domestic violence?
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158. - Is that not right?
- Yes.
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159. And, so, you all find out
and proceed to Rockingham
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became a suspect for you at that time,
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161. not simply, what?
An ex-husband to be notified.
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163. No, that's not why we were there.
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164. Is it normal for so many of them
to go for a notification?
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165. No, I have no idea.
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166. I've never heard a point
made of something like that.
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167. Made the detect sound shady. Shit!
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168. I don't know.
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169. The jury thinks the cops cut corners
to convict a guilty man.
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170. He's still guilty. That's not going to
get them to acquit.
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171. No, it's not. But that's not today.
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172. Today, we make them think that
these cops lie about little things,
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173. so that tomorrow, we can show them
they lie about big things.
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174. Even if they're doing it
for what they think is right.
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175. That's where we pull.
That's where the daylight's at.
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176. Now, if right now, they think
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178. Agent Tommy.
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179. I haven't thought about him in years.
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180. Remember how they used to set him up
at Papa Cristo's?
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181. - The Ouzo.
- Ouzo.
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182. Yeah, they'd fill a whole goddamn
coffee mug with Ouzo for him.
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183. He'd be bombed by noon.
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- No idea.
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since we moved out to Simi Valley.
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186. Oh, yeah? Simi, is it? Is that nice?
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187. Fantastic, quiet. Spend all day in
this mess and then you get home and...
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189. Court is now in session.
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Mr. Simpson's shoes,
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into evidence that night.
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193. That night, I couldn't have, no.
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198. I did.
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201. Really?
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to Simi Valley?
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203. Simi Valley, the home of the officers
involved in the Rodney King beating?
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211. Long time.
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you drove it home,
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224. Yes.
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226. I say we think big. Pre-empt
our entire daytime programming.
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doubled their buys at ABC
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they're going live with 0.J.
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- Everything, the entire daytime slate.
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230. This is a better daytime soap
than anything we've got.
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231. I'd sure as hell rather watch 0.J.
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232. than some dumb doctor have
an affair with a nurse.
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233. Let's do it. Clear the slate.
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235. Look on the bright side,
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236. Yeah, but...
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238. I don't know. See, I think they're
looking forward to Fuhrman.
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239. They shouldn't be. Fuhrman is
a far from perfect human being,
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245. Oh, Darden, don't.
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249. Oh, no, no, no.
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250. Turn it down.
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Woman can't you see? S
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I gotta make it for me S
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254. We cannot afford to be accused
of having a good time right now.
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255. Who's going to begrudge you
of having a good time?
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256. Who? Um, everyone.
Ito, Gil, Larry King.
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is looking for any excuse
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259. Well, at least he wants
to help raise them, right?
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260. It's better than some dads.
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- Yeah.
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Lives up in Oakland. I wish I...
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as much as I wished I'd been.
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for my big job.
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Who's that lady? S
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Who's that lady? A'
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Who's that lady? S
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But don't touch, baby x
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Call in and ring my bell.
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- Morning.
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294. That I am. Prepped all night,
only got two hours of sleep,
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in that court today.
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Detective Mark Fuhrman.
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approach the bench?
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an incredibly urgent matter.
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301. Your Honor, we have a crisis regarding
our witness, Ms. Rosa Lopez.
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302. - Ms. Lopez has left the state.
- Counsel, what are you asking for?
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303. We need to hear her testimony
out of order.
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304. Wait, what?
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305. She is here now,
but we can't compel her to stay.
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306. No way, I'm in the middle
of presenting the People's case.
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307. That's the way this works.
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308. People make the case,
defense responds.
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309. You don't get to override that because
you've got witness problems.
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310. We've all got witness problems.
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311. Yes, Marcia, I look forward to you
parading out your witness problems.
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312. Your Honor, I don't know how
we don't have grounds for mistrial.
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313. Your Honor, this is silly. They are
just trying to kill my momentum.
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314. All right, I think we need a hearing
to establish.
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315. I'm going to dismiss the jury
for the day, so we can do that.
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322. Your Honor,
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losing this witness
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I've just dismissed the jury.
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326. I'm sorry, Your Honor.
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327. I do have the power to have
my courtroom open late, if need be.
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328. Of course, Your Honor.
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330. - Mr. Cochran.
- Yes, Your Honor.
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332. All right, we stand in recess.
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333. I'm saying,
it makes us appear unprepared.
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for Rosa Lopez?
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335. We weren't expecting
to cross examine her
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- Who is she, again?
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337. She's the housekeeper,
the one for Simpson's neighbor.
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338. She says she saw the Bronco
outside Simpson's house at 10:15.
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339. - What does that do to your time line?
- I will handle it.
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you're losing control in there.
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341. Me? Ito is the one who's lost control.
He is a total media whore.
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342. If you want to know which way
he'll tilt, watch the talk shows—
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343. Look, that is something
you can't control.
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345. If you listen to all that noise,
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bringing it into the courtroom.
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347. The trial's in here.
It's not out there.
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is that true?
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349. Yes, I have to get home, like now.
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and I can work from there.
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- Okay, well...
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all that prep into one night
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you have here, it's...
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355. Listen, this, the stuff in the media
about your appearance.
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it's sexist, it's horrifying.
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when it comes on TV.
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359. - It doesn't makes things easier.
- I'm sure.
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Maybe you could, I...
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of terrific media consultants.
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365. No, I'm sorry. I can't come home yet.
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366. What's wrong?
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367. Well, why is he crying?
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368. Well, sweetie. Work it out.
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369. Tell him he can watch his cartoons
for 30 minutes
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371. You know how to read a clock,
he doesn't.
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372. Okay, have fun
and I will call you in a little while.
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Let's go over the Lopez prep.
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here today?
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383. And do you anticipate that we can hear
what she has to say in one day?
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384. I would expect so, Your Honor,
barring any acts of God
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from Ms. Clark.
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386. Your Honor.
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as a woman and as a mother.
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it's like to work a 70 hour work week
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but I do.
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in your courtroom
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and totally out of line.
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just to confirm your occupation,
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of Mr. Simpson's neighbor.
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- Yes.
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396. Mr. Cochran has moved the court
to disrupt our schedule
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to leave the country
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by the press.
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399. I stay just for today for Mr. Johnnie.
Tomorrow, I fly.
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reservation for El Salvador?
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- Really?
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403. Yesterday, Mr. Cochran stated that
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for you at all.
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408. Not for yesterday, not for today,
not for tomorrow.
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409. Because I'm going to reserve it,
as soon as I leave here.
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410. So, then, Ms. Lopez,
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411. could you please explain to the court
why you were filing for unemployment
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412. when you say you were
leaving the country forever?
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413. You need to get this woman off
the stand. What the hell is going on?
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you saw the Bronco at 10:00 p.m.
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415. But now you say it's 10:15.
So which is it?
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416. Did you see the Bronco at 10:00
or 10:15?
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417. - Does it matter?
- Yes, it matters very much.
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418. It's why you are here.
Please answer the question.
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419. Ms. Lopez, a shrug is not an answer.
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420. So which is it? 10:00 or 10:15.
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421. Whatever Mr. Johnnie says I said.
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422. No, not what Mr. Cochran says,
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423. we need to be told what you saw.
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424. Ms. Lopez, in English, please,
unless you need a translator.
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425. I say I don't remember.
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426. You don't remember.
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427. Hmm.
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428. Good enough for me.
No further questions.
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429. "Mr. Johnnie"? Jesus.
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430. Yah, Marcia! Go, Marcia!
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431. Marcia, that was a gut punch you gave
in there today. Any comment?
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432. Stuff about my child care.
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433. Johnnie was way out of line,
I got a little hot, he can take it.
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434. Johnnie, are you happy
with Lopez's testimony?
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435. - Absolutely, we're here for the truth.
- Johnnie,
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436. would you have time to speak about
your own history of domestic abuse?
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437. Considering the issues presented
in this case,
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438. particularly the impact
of domestic violence,
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439. my editor thinks that you
and your past are fair game.
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440. - Hey, I'm giving you a chance here.
- Thank you.
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441. We're printing it soon. Call me.
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442. Hello, my name is Gordon Clark.
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443. I'm the former husband
of Marcia Clark.
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444. This thing about needing
to get home from
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445. court early, yesterday, was a fraud.
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446. I was with the kids. She worked late.
It's classic Marcia.
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447. I'm telling you this
because I am sick of
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448. her using our children as pawns.
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449. Jesus, Gordon.
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450. This is our private life.
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451. Mr. Cochran, she's on line one.
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452. Barbara. It's Johnnie.
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453. - Hello?
I'm here.
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454. The LA Times reached out to me today
about us.
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455. And I thought I'd discuss it with you
because they may be calling.
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456. They've called.
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457. You talked to them?
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458. I told them Pd call them back after
I got my recollections together.
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459. Funny thing is,
I was going to call you anyway.
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460. I sold the apartment building on
South Vermont last month and...
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461. Even though I got it in the divorce,
it occurred to me that maybe
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462. you should get the profit,
seeing how it was your pet project.
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463. It's a lot of profit, Barbara.
It could make you...
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464. Quite...
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465. You know...
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466. Quite comfortable.
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467. Now, I know Lopez didn't go
as planned, but we couldn't risk—
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468. Oh, it didn't go as planned.
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469. Oh, the crazy cleaning lady
wasn't as planned?
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470. Why, I certainly hope that shit
in there wasn't as planned, Johnnie.
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471. 0.J., it's a blip, it'll be out of
the papers by Wednesday.
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472. Good to hear, Lee, good to hear.
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473. But I won't be out of this jail
by next Wednesday now, will I?
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474. Will I? Huh?
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475. What I just saw up there,
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476. that ridiculous woman up there,
was completely avoidable.
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477. 0.J., these things happen.
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478. Oh, don't give me that
"shit happens" routine, Bob.
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479. On the...
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480. On the football field,
in life, and my businesses,
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481. when I see a absence in performance,
I deal with it.
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482. I deal with it harshly and directly,
you know why? 'Cause I'm for real.
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483. Hear me? I'm the Juice.
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484. And when I see an absence like
a lack of leadership, I lead.
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485. Now, is that what I'm gonna
have to do here? Huh?
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486. Huh?
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487. Mr. Johnnie?
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488. I wanna know...
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489. I need to know, in advance,
what you guys are doing.
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490. You hear me?
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491. I wanna to know what happens next
from now on, so I can weigh in on it.
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492. Well, I'm sure that
Johnnie's associates
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493. will arrange a briefing
for you every day.
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494. All right. Okay, fine. Y'all go.
I'm done with you.
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495. When I have pent-up anger,
what I use is—
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496. When I want to hear
from you, I'll rattle my zipper.
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497. Now get the hell out of here, Bob.
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498. What do you really want, Marcia?
I'll do anything for you.
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499. Something different.
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500. Softer.
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501. Never had to think about anything
like this before, so...
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502. I'm a little nervous.
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503. The only thing you need
to be is the best version of yourself,
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504. and that's what we're here
to discover.
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505. Oh, I've got it.
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506. I did it for Farrah
and I'm gonna do it for you.
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507. Farrah?
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508. World, prepare to meet
the new, real Marcia Clark.
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509. ? a kiss for a rose on the gray I
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510. r Ooh, the more I get of you
The stranger it feels, yeah S
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511. ? And now that your rose
ls in bloom S'
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512. ? A light hits the gloom
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513. - Good morning, my brother.
- Yeah, about that.
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514. Your readers must think these two are
the only black men in the courtroom
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515. who are trying to do their job.
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516. - Come on now, Chris.
- No, why the double standard?
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517. You don't think a black prosecutor
contributes to the black community.
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518. How?
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519. By helping the racist LAPD enslave
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520. a strong black brother
up from the ghetto?
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521. Symbol of success,
superstar athlete, entrepreneur?
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522. Who spends his days playing golf
with old white men
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523. and his nights
sleeping with young white girls.
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524. O.J. is a symbol
for getting the hell away
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525. from other black people
as fast as he can.
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526. Whatever! We all have
our peccadilloes.
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527. You miss the point.
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528. The police are trying to pull him down
and put him in chains,
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529. like they do with any black man
who rises up.
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530. I'm sorry, Dennis, excuse me for
interrupting this black thing,
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531. but, come on, cops out to get O.J.?
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532. O.J. hosted pool parties for them.
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533. Thank you, sir.
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534. Fellas, you all keep not getting it.
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535. And you ignore the shit
at your own peril.
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536. Oh, Lord!
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537. Good morning.
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538. See you guys in there.
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539. God damn!
Who turned her into Rick James?
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540. Thank you.
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541. Good morning, Ms. Clark.
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542. - I think.
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543. Next.
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544. Oh-oh.
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545. I guess the defense is in
for one hell of a week, huh?
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546. A' 'Cause nobody loves me
it's true I
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547. ? Not like you do?
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548. Detective Fuhrman, how do you feel
about testifying today?
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549. - Good, maybe a little nervous.
- Why is that?
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550. A great deal of attention
seems to have been diverted
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551. from the evidence and the facts
into more personal issues.
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552. I couldn't agree more.
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553. What did you see when you first
arrived at Bundy?
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554. From the approach,
we could see the female victim
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555. and there was a great deal of blood
in the cracks of the tiled walkway.
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556. Officer Riski used his flashlight
to point out several items.
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557. And what did he point out to you, sir?
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558. Well, the male victim, for one,
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559. and an area where he said
there was a knit cap and also a glove.
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560. We entered the scene from the rear
as there was so much blood.
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561. Not disturbing the evidence,
was paramount.
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562. It's a very careful process. Isn't it?
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563. Dealing with a scene like this.
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564. Yes, it is, very.
It's methodical and deliberate.
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565. And when you entered the rear of
the Bundy residence,
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566. did these bloody shoe prints
go all the way out to the alley?
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567. They did.
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568. I then noticed a blood smudge
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569. around the door knob
on the interior of the gate,
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570. as well as a partial
possible fingerprint
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571. around the knob area itself.
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572. And what did you make of that?
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573. What any detective would make of it.
Someone had fled the scene, bleeding.
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574. And while Detectives Vannatter
and Lange were at the gate
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575. of the Simpson residence
on Rockingham,
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576. attempting to reach someone inside,
you noticed the white Bronco.
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577. Is that right?
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578. Yes, it was parked strangely,
jutting out.
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579. As I got closer,
I noticed a small spot
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580. above the driver's side door handle.
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581. And what did this spot look like?
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582. It had the visual properties of blood.
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583. And did you look inside the vehicle?
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584. I did. I then noticed a package
with a shipping label.
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585. It said "0.J. Simpson."
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586. I then showed Detectives Lange
and Vannatter what I had observed,
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587. and in discussing the situation,
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588. we became concerned
that it was possible
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589. Mr. Simpson himself might also be
in danger, injured or worse.
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590. Well, that makes total sense.
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591. What did you do in response
to this reasonable concern?
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592. I went over the wall and around to
the gate and manually opened it.
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593. Mr. Kaelin then mentioned
that he had heard
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594. a crash or thump on his rear wall.
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595. He thought it was an earthquake.
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596. They should bring Kato
back on the show.
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597. He was so great.
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598. All right, all right.
What do you call a lawyer gone bad?
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599. Senator.
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600. - That's good.
- All right, okay, that's good.
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601. - Know what that is?
- Lunch.
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602. No.
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603. That right there,
is Detective Mark Fuhrman's tombstone.
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604. I've already planned his funeral.
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605. He'll be dead and buried
before he even knows what hit him.
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606. Mmm.
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607. What are you talking about?
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608. I'm talking about "nigger."
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609. Excuse me.
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610. I'm going to ask
that racist son of a bitch, Fuhrman,
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611. point blank in a courtroom under oath
if he ever uses the word.
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612. If he ever has used the word.
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613. If he denies it,
the jury will call bullshit.
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614. They won't trust him.
If he admits it, it's even worse.
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615. Check and mate.
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616. He'll be chasing teenage shoplifters
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617. around the Beverly Center
by Christmas.
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618. - That's actually not that bad.
- Damn right.
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619. It's the most powerful word
in the English language.
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620. And I'm going to impale him on it.
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621. Well, you just make sure
you can walk, Lee.
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622. Detective, could you tell us
what you see here?
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623. These are photographs of the area
I was inspecting
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624. behind Mr. Kaelin's residence
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625. and, in them, is what I then
identified as a possible glove.
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626. What did you do then?
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627. I approached it and I looked at it.
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628. Did you touch it?
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629. I didn't touch it. I looked at it.
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630. Could you describe its appearance?
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631. It appeared somewhat moist and sticky,
parts of it sticking to other parts.
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632. Okay, and what significance did you
attach to the glove when you saw it?
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633. Well, it looked very similar
to the glove at the Bundy scene,
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634. and the sticky substance
seemed blood-like.
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635. So, Detective,
as an MP in the Marine Corps,
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636. what were your responsibilities?
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637. They were varied.
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638. Lot of hacking DNDs?
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639. What does it mean, Mr. Bailey?
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640. Oh, that means arresting drunk
and disorderlies.
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641. Sorry, Your Honor. Slipped into
some Marine to Marine talk there.
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642. Detective, did you take a glove
from the Bundy scene
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643. and then wipe it on
the interior of the Bronco?
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644. No.
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645. - You did not?
- No, I did not.
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646. Couldn't you have fit this into a
plastic bag and put it in your sock,
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647. and then place it at Mr. Simpson's
home, so that you could find it?
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648. Uh, no, that's nuts.
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649. I object to this line, Your Honor,
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650. this has no part in
any search for the truth.
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651. That's not the glove from this case.
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652. It's a different size
and a different make.
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653. This seems to be some fantasy
woven by the defense
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654. for which there is no factual
or logical basis.
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655. It's as dishonest as any number
of Mr. Bailey's tactics have been.
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656. Excuse me. Are you accusing me of
lying in a courtroom? How dare you?
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657. You can't get away with lying,
Mr. Bailey,
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658. not in this case.
There are too many people watching.
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659. Ms. Clark.
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660. May I please see those gloves
that you have over there?
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661. This is a Brooks Brothers, size small.
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662. They were out of extra large,
Your Honor.
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663. Size small. Must be Mr. Bailey's.
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664. Let me state very clearly
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665. and I should point out that
if Ms. Clark thinks
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666. that hand and this glove
would ever work together,
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667. then her eyesight is as bad
as her memory.
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668. Your Honor, the prosecution has opened
this door rather deliberately.
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669. I would advise caution.
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670. Please continue.
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671. Lee.
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672. I will ask a different question.
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673. In describing people,
Detective Fuhrman,
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674. do you use the word "nigger"?
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675. No, sir. I do not use that word
to describe people.
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676. Have you ever used the word "nigger"
in the past ten years?
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677. Not that I recall, no.
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678. You mean, if you called someone
"a nigger," you have forgotten it?
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679. I'm not sure I can answer the question
the way that you phrased it, sir.
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680. Let me put it simply.
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681. Are you saying, under oath,
that you have not addressed
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682. any black person as a "nigger" or
spoken about black people as "niggers"
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683. in the past ten years,
Detective Fuhrman?
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684. Yes, that's what I'm saying.
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685. Oh, my God. This is insane.
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686. Can he say the word "nigger" on TV?
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687. So, then, anyone who comes to
this court and quotes you
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688. as using that word, in dealing
with African Americans,
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689. would be a liar,
would they not, Detective Fuhrman?
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690. - Yes, they would.
- All of them. Correct?
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691. All of them.
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692. Thank you. No further questions.
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693. All right. At this time
I would like to recess for lunch.
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694. Court will resume at 1:30 p.m.
We now stand in recess.
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695. Call up Brokaw. I want a one hour
special tonight. Prime time.
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696. - Yeah.
- You wanted to see me?
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697. Marcia. Close the door, please.
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698. What's up?
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699. Have you seen this?
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700. Fuhrman says he never said the word.
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701. They've got nothing on him.
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702. No, not that. It's a...
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703. The picture of you, on a beach, naked?
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704. Huh?
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705. That's not possible.
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706. 0h, my God!
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707. This is a fake, right? We can hit
them with a lawsuit so fast that—
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708. No, it's real.
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709. It's my ex-husband.
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710. We were on vacation.
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711. - Gordon did this?
- No.
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712. I had a husband before Gordon.
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713. Oh, okay.
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714. All right, well, listen, we can...
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715. - We can—
- I'm due downstairs.
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716. This court will recess until
tomorrow morning at 9:00 a.m.
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717. - All right, we stand in recess.
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718. I'm not a public personality.
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719. This isn't what I do.
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720. I don't know how to do this.
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721. Those other guys, they're...
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722. Flashy hot shots.
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723. They're used to it.
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724. But l...
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725. I just can't take it.
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726. - You'll do fine.
- No, I won't.
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727. Yeah. I know it.
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730. XOh?
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731. And, if it helps any...
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732. You do look mighty good
in that picture.
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733. R Can't go no further I
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734. ? 'Cause you got me
Chained and bound S
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735. ? Oh, now?
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736. r So glad, I'm so glad, I'm so glad I'
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737. I Oh, I don't have to worry no more?
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738. ? Oh, my, my, "WT
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