1. Adam...Copy !req
2. Um, I'm outside your school.Copy !req
3. Probably gonna have
to come into your class, all right?Copy !req
4. Promise I'll leave you alone.Copy !req
5. We could've sent someone more junior here.
You know that, don't ya?Copy !req
6. - Hello.
- Mrs. Fenumore?Copy !req
7. - Yes.
- I'm D.I. Bascombe.Copy !req
8. - Appreciate you doing this.
- Hi. D.S. Frank. Nice to meet you.Copy !req
9. Thanks so much
for coming. Um...Copy !req
10. We've only just let them all back in,
so, um, everyone might be a bit raw.Copy !req
11. Yeah, we know.Copy !req
12. We wouldn't be here
if it wasn't important. Okay?Copy !req
13. - Well, thanks for coming.
- Lead on.Copy !req
14. Um, I'll get you signed in.Copy !req
15. - Then I'll take you around.
- Thank you.Copy !req
16. - Hello.
- After you.Copy !req
17. Tommy. Tommy!Copy !req
18. Got a minute?Copy !req
19. - See you later.
- See you.Copy !req
20. The police are here.Copy !req
21. Of course they are.Copy !req
22. - They're everywhere.
- I don't like it.Copy !req
23. Yeah, same.Copy !req
24. You heard from him?Copy !req
25. Everyone's talking about him.
I texted him.Copy !req
26. Yeah.Copy !req
27. I didn't hear nothing. Did you?Copy !req
28. Well, you won't. It's not like
he's gonna have his phone on him.Copy !req
29. Do you think it's true?Copy !req
30. - Yeah.
- You think Jamie did it?Copy !req
31. - Yeah.
- They come to your house?Copy !req
32. - Yeah.
- They ask about the knife?Copy !req
33. - Yeah.
- What did you say?Copy !req
34. I... Dad said not to talk to you about it.Copy !req
35. - Was he mad?
- Well, yeah. Of course. Weren't yours?Copy !req
36. No, they just...
They just didn't say nothing.Copy !req
37. - I don't want to be in trouble.
- You're not in trouble.Copy !req
38. - I don't want Jamie to be in trouble.
- Yeah.Copy !req
39. Well, he is.Copy !req
40. Dickhead.Copy !req
41. Adam, um, I'm outside your school.Copy !req
42. Probably gonna have to come
into your class, all right?Copy !req
43. Promise I'll leave you alone.Copy !req
44. Adam.Copy !req
45. - Give me £1.20 now.
- Fredo.Copy !req
46. - Nah. Give me £1.20.
- I don't have money.Copy !req
47. - Give me £1.20 now.
- Fredo! Fredo, leave him alone.Copy !req
48. - I need £1.20, though, sir.
- No, you don't. You're on free dinners.Copy !req
49. Fourteen parents I've had. Fourteen.Copy !req
50. "Is your school safe?"Copy !req
51. Oh God. What do you say?Copy !req
52. I say the matter
didn't even happen on school property.Copy !req
53. Then they talk about security guards
and metal detectors.Copy !req
54. Mia Taylor told me
we need to open a grief support room.Copy !req
55. We're security guards
and social workers now, are we? Great.Copy !req
56. Well, I just worry about the impact
it's gonna have on the kids. It's a lot.Copy !req
57. - Just keep... keep an eye on it. Yeah?
- Okay.Copy !req
58. - Thanks.
- Uh, shirt, please.Copy !req
59. - And you, Sean. Come on.
- Sorry, miss.Copy !req
60. What the fuck's she on about?
Fucking hell.Copy !req
61. Come, let's go see
what the boys are saying. You know what?Copy !req
62. - I say we go fuck Jamie up.
- Nah, mate. No point.Copy !req
63. - Well, we break in, man.
- Break in? How are you gonna do that?Copy !req
64. - Shut up, man.
- Are you guys from Heywood Street?Copy !req
65. Yeah.Copy !req
66. Get inside!Copy !req
67. Hey, Jade.Copy !req
68. Do you wanna pop inside the office for us?Copy !req
69. Okay?Copy !req
70. Thank you. Thanks.Copy !req
71. Take a seat.Copy !req
72. Thanks, love. Take a seat.Copy !req
73. - Go on. You go on that one.
- All right.Copy !req
74. - Here.
- Thank you.Copy !req
75. You're welcome. Here you go.Copy !req
76. Thanks.Copy !req
77. - Hi, Jade.
- Hiya.Copy !req
78. You all right?Copy !req
79. Look, I'm... I'm D.I. Bascombe.
This is D.S. Frank.Copy !req
80. And this is Mrs. Fenumore.
She's from the school.Copy !req
81. She's gonna keep an eye on things
from the school's perspective,Copy !req
82. give you any support
you may want or need, okay?Copy !req
83. I teach at the lower school, Jade. Okay?Copy !req
84. Uh, Jade, we are, um...Copy !req
85. We're really grateful
that you agreed to talk to us.Copy !req
86. I agreed, did I?Copy !req
87. And I thought I just got pulled off lunch.Copy !req
88. Okay, well, we did try to get you at home,Copy !req
89. but your mum wasn't sure
what time you'd be back, so...Copy !req
90. - Look, if you don't mind, we wanted to—
- I don't mind.Copy !req
91. I'm the lead investigator on Katie's case.Copy !req
92. I wanted to give you my card.Copy !req
93. Has the station number on the frontCopy !req
94. and also a crime reference number
on the back.Copy !req
95. This is to help you keep upCopy !req
96. with the progress
of Katie's case, all right?Copy !req
97. - You can take that.
- Wow.Copy !req
98. It's a bit flash, don't you think?Copy !req
99. Okay.Copy !req
100. Look, uh, we can tell you that we have
arrested, uh, one suspect, all right—Copy !req
101. Yeah, Jamie.Copy !req
102. But we need some more information.Copy !req
103. Both on the murder weapon,
which we don't yet have,Copy !req
104. and why the suspect did it.Copy !req
105. Jade, you were good friends with Katie.
That's right, isn't it?Copy !req
106. Her best friend.Copy !req
107. Ask anyone.Copy !req
108. Can you tell us about her?Copy !req
109. Ain't you got a kid in the school?Copy !req
110. Yeah. Yeah.Copy !req
111. Adam, right?Copy !req
112. - Yeah.
- He's off, if you didn't know.Copy !req
113. He didn't get your cheekbones.Copy !req
114. - I don't see what that has to do—
- Can you tell me about him?Copy !req
115. Listen.Copy !req
116. All you need to know
is she's dead.Copy !req
117. She shouldn't be. 'Cause she got stabbed.Copy !req
118. She was the best person I knew. That's it.Copy !req
119. Uh, Jade, was Katie happy?Copy !req
120. Well, she didn't stab herself.Copy !req
121. What was her relationship
with boys like?Copy !req
122. You mean with Jamie?
She wouldn't go anywhere near him.Copy !req
123. - Really?
- Yeah.Copy !req
124. Interesting.
Are you saying that she didn't like him?Copy !req
125. Because we've got Instagram posts from her
that suggest that they were friends.Copy !req
126. - So, you're trying to blame this on her?
- No.Copy !req
127. Well, you've got video. Everyone knows.Copy !req
128. You should be sorting out
the guy that killed her.Copy !req
129. - We're not asking you to talk—
- You are!Copy !req
130. - You are! I can hear it in all of ya.
- No, Jade. Jade.Copy !req
131. - Can I go?
- A bit of politeness.Copy !req
132. Well, I ain't feeling polite today.
Can I go now, Miss Lower School?Copy !req
133. Mrs. Fenumore, it's fine. It's okay.
You can go, Jade. Thank you.Copy !req
134. Fucking useless.Copy !req
135. You guys are meant
to be best of the police?Copy !req
136. Jade.Copy !req
137. I'm so sorry. She's very upset.Copy !req
138. - Shall we crack on?
- Shall we?Copy !req
139. - Yeah?
- Yeah, let's go.Copy !req
140. - Okay.
- Sorry about that.Copy !req
141. It's okay.Copy !req
142. Um, all right. We'll start you in 8G.Copy !req
143. - That's Jamie's class.
- Yeah, we know.Copy !req
144. And you've spoken to some of the boys.
Uh, Ryan and Tommy?Copy !req
145. Does everyone know everything
about this case? Huh?Copy !req
146. Well, I think people are gonna know
more than you think all day, so...Copy !req
147. Oh, I get it, but they shouldn't.
It doesn't matter. Let's go.Copy !req
148. Guys! Stop it. Sit...Copy !req
149. Hey, everybody, sit down!Copy !req
150. James! Put the phones away, please!Copy !req
151. - Where's. Mr. Malik?
- He's late. Don't grass on him.Copy !req
152. - Right. Detective Bascombe.
- Hi.Copy !req
153. He's got something
he wants to talk to you all about.Copy !req
154. All right, guys.
Look, as many of you may know, right—Copy !req
155. Oh, I'm so sorry.
Uh, Detective Sergeant Frank?Copy !req
156. - Frank. It's fine.
- I'm sorry. Apologies.Copy !req
157. It's okay. As many of you may know,
there was a tragic incidentCopy !req
158. that took place
the night before last, okay?Copy !req
159. It involved a fatality
among one of your schoolmates.Copy !req
160. - Did Jamie do it?
- Listen to the man.Copy !req
161. Oh, shit, he did!Copy !req
162. - Stop swearing, please!
- Look, calm down. We have made one arrest.Copy !req
163. But we are here todayCopy !req
164. because we still haven't found
the murder weapon.Copy !req
165. All right? I know that sounds
very serious and scary,Copy !req
166. but you guys may have
some information that we need.Copy !req
167. So we're just asking, please come to us
and talk to us if you need to, all right?Copy !req
168. - Is it true you've got a video?
- Please.Copy !req
169. Any other situations,
any other issues connected to this case,Copy !req
170. you can also come and talk to—Copy !req
171. Mr. Malik, we protected you.Copy !req
172. Sorry I'm late.
You must be the police, yeah?Copy !req
173. "You must be the police!"
I love you, Mr. Malik!Copy !req
174. Mr. Malik.Copy !req
175. I'm gonna give Mr. Malik my card.
It has the police station number on it.Copy !req
176. If you wanna talk, you've got information,
go to Mr. Malik. He'll come to us. Right?Copy !req
177. - Thank you. Take care.
- Thank you.Copy !req
178. Thank you very much. Wait.Copy !req
179. Yeah, we're getting back
to the film now, uh, so...Copy !req
180. Uh, Marie, you wanna get your pen out?Copy !req
181. I ain't got a pen, sir.Copy !req
182. Why do schools have that same smell?Copy !req
183. It's like a mixture of vomit,
cabbage, and masturbation.Copy !req
184. It's horrible.Copy !req
185. Yeah, sure.Copy !req
186. Do you really think
we're gonna find a knife here?Copy !req
187. Uh, we may have enough. We may.Copy !req
188. But if we don't find that knife,
he's got a bargaining chip, hasn't he?Copy !req
189. You know how it goes. And we saw him
walk past the school on CCTV.Copy !req
190. - It was dark, I know—
- Yeah, I get it.Copy !req
191. And I don't have a motive.Copy !req
192. I know you need a motive.Copy !req
193. I just honestly don't understand
why that Jade girl was so angry.Copy !req
194. She's upset, mate.
They're all gonna be very upset.Copy !req
195. I know. I get that. I'm just saying
she made it seem like Katie hated Jamie.Copy !req
196. I'm so sorry about that.
Mr. Malik's newly qualified.Copy !req
197. - It's all good. Thank you.
- Shall we carry on?Copy !req
198. Let's go.Copy !req
199. I did send a note around
telling everybody that you was coming.Copy !req
200. What do you wanna do?
You wanna go to isolation?Copy !req
201. Because I can send you to isolation.
No problem whatsoever.Copy !req
202. There's no phones allowed in class at all!Copy !req
203. All the teachers are really upset
by this too, as you can see.Copy !req
204. Um, I just... Everyone's just devastated.Copy !req
205. I taught Katie in year five.Copy !req
206. She was so bright.Copy !req
207. Just such a beautiful little girl.Copy !req
208. You know, she talked
a little bit too much, butCopy !req
209. I really thought
she was gonna do something with her life.Copy !req
210. Yeah. It's a horrible shock
for everybody, isn't it?Copy !req
211. Yeah. It's devastating.Copy !req
212. Okay, um, follow me. We'll... carry on.Copy !req
213. Hello.Copy !req
214. - I've got no idea.
- You all right?Copy !req
215. Look, keep an eye out for any of the kids
that react funny when we're in the class.Copy !req
216. - We'll chase 'em up after school, yeah?
- Yeah.Copy !req
217. Good.Copy !req
218. Um, and just to say, I can supply you
with any names you like or addresses too.Copy !req
219. Okay, Mrs. Fenumore.
That would be useful, all right?Copy !req
220. - That's all I want to be. Useful.
- Can we go to 10G?Copy !req
221. Yes, of course, uh, Mr. Curtis.Copy !req
222. It's a great question,
and one—Copy !req
223. - Excuse me!
- I need—Copy !req
224. Right, that is it!
Not another word!Copy !req
225. - Put your pens down!
- Fucking hell.Copy !req
226. Put your hands down
and watch the video.Copy !req
227. Mr. Curtis,
would it be all right if we come in?Copy !req
228. - The police would like to talk.
- Mr. Curtis.Copy !req
229. - You all right?
- You all right?Copy !req
230. - Hi. D.S. Frank.
- You all right?Copy !req
231. - Everything okay?
- Yeah. Want a quick word with the kids.Copy !req
232. Okay, so this is D.I. Bascombe
and D.S. FrankCopy !req
233. from Heywood Street Police Station.Copy !req
234. They'd like to talk
about what happened to Katie.Copy !req
235. Now, they're here
because they care about this school.Copy !req
236. And, as many of you know,
D.I. Bascombe is also Adam's dad.Copy !req
237. Adam.Copy !req
238. All right, that's enough.Copy !req
239. I said stop that, Fredo. I said stop!Copy !req
240. See me after class.
I'm sorry. That's unacceptable.Copy !req
241. - It's all right.
- Have some respect.Copy !req
242. Uh, guys, I don't wanna keep you long,
all right?Copy !req
243. You know there was a terrible crime
that was committed in our townCopy !req
244. the night before last.Copy !req
245. And we're just here
trying to understand what—Copy !req
246. You've gotta be kidding. I'm sorry.Copy !req
247. - Okay, make an orderly line.
- I'm so sorry about this.Copy !req
248. There's no smoke.Copy !req
249. You're supposed
to be filing out of the school.Copy !req
250. Try and stay in straight lines.Copy !req
251. - Sir, you think it's terrorism?
- No, Billie, it isn't terrorism.Copy !req
252. No running. Stay in lines!Copy !req
253. All right, straight down
to the tennis courts. No messing about.Copy !req
254. No time to grab your things.
Straight down. No messing.Copy !req
255. Thank you.Copy !req
256. It'll be a false alarm.Copy !req
257. Although, someone
did throw a set of fireworksCopy !req
258. into the computer lab last year.Copy !req
259. We had a fire. Um...Copy !req
260. - Crowthers were selling ten for a quid.
- Not very helpful.Copy !req
261. It wasn't very good, no.
Uh, but we managed to contain it, so...Copy !req
262. Did you guys come? The police were here.Copy !req
263. - No, it wasn't us.
- No? They were very helpful.Copy !req
264. All right, we'll make our way
to the tennis courts. Follow me.Copy !req
265. - Hurry up!
- Thank you.Copy !req
266. Hurry. Quickly.Copy !req
267. - Keep moving.
- Keep moving.Copy !req
268. - Thanks so much.
- Keep it moving.Copy !req
269. - So where are we going?
- In the tennis courts.Copy !req
270. Okay?Copy !req
271. Mr. Malik, can I have a word?Copy !req
272. Yeah.Copy !req
273. - I've been reading your school reports.
- Yeah.Copy !req
274. Jamie was a good student, yeah?Copy !req
275. - Are we allowed to talk out here?
- Yeah. Yeah.Copy !req
276. I wanna know,
was there any signs of unhappiness?Copy !req
277. - I'm... I'm just a tutor. I mean—
- Well, you're a teacher.Copy !req
278. Yeah, but I teach history.
I don't see him, you know? I don't...Copy !req
279. I don't...Copy !req
280. I don't...
I wouldn't know, you know? I...Copy !req
281. Look, these kids are fucking impossible.
I mean, what am I supposed to do?Copy !req
282. Come on, ladies.Copy !req
283. Let's go, please!Copy !req
284. Right, 9G!
In your line, let's go!Copy !req
285. You know exactly. Not messing.
Get in your lines.Copy !req
286. Can you please keep in line?Copy !req
287. - Everything all right?
- Yeah.Copy !req
288. Oi!Copy !req
289. Ryan! What have you done?Copy !req
290. You fucking bastard! You killed my friend!
You killed my friend!Copy !req
291. You fucking... fucking...Copy !req
292. - Fucking hell!
- Jade! Jade!Copy !req
293. Fucking... He killed my friend!Copy !req
294. - No, he didn't!
- The fucking freak! Get off me, miss!Copy !req
295. - Come on, calm down. Let it go.
- Get off me!Copy !req
296. That fucking freak killed my friend!
You fucking murderer!Copy !req
297. - Take her to Mrs. Bailey!
- Okay. Okay, sit up.Copy !req
298. Slowly. That's it.Copy !req
299. I'm gonna take him to the room.
Have you hurt your head?Copy !req
300. Ryan, did you... did you land on your head?Copy !req
301. - Yeah.
- Okay.Copy !req
302. You just got banged by a girl,
you sausage.Copy !req
303. Shut it, you.Copy !req
304. We're gonna go up to my room,
but we're gonna go really slowly, okay?Copy !req
305. See that?
Ryan just got banged by a girl!Copy !req
306. This is the last time!
In your lines! Now! You! In your line.Copy !req
307. Toby!Copy !req
308. - Did you land funny?
- I'll give detentions!Copy !req
309. I don't care!
In your lines! Now! And phones away.Copy !req
310. - Girls, seriously. Back in your lines.
- Let's take you back to 10G.Copy !req
311. No. We... we wanna talk to Ryan.Copy !req
312. - Let's talk to Ryan.
- He'll be with the nurse now—Copy !req
313. That's fine. We'll go up there.
It's all good.Copy !req
314. - Okay. I hope he's all right.
- Yeah?Copy !req
315. 10G! Come on!Copy !req
316. It's absolute chaos.Copy !req
317. Thank you.Copy !req
318. Straight in.
Back to class. Thank you.Copy !req
319. Put that phone away
and get back to class now!Copy !req
320. - Shut up, Miss.
- Excuse me?Copy !req
321. God's sake.Copy !req
322. I said keep going, please.
Up the stairs. Let's go.Copy !req
323. - Are you sure it's not on fire?
- No, it's not. Get to class. Thank you.Copy !req
324. Okay, guys. Keep it moving.Copy !req
325. Keep it moving. Thank you.Copy !req
326. - That's it. Straight back to classrooms.
- Thank you.Copy !req
327. - Quick as you can.
- Upstairs.Copy !req
328. - Sorry.
- It's all right.Copy !req
329. Thank you.Copy !req
330. Okay, well done.
Get back to class. Well done.Copy !req
331. All right, here we are.Copy !req
332. Hi, Carla. Can we come in, please?
The police would like to talk to Ryan.Copy !req
333. Right, yeah.
Uh, I'm just gonna check this.Copy !req
334. Okay, look at me. Look at my nose.Copy !req
335. Okay, well, that looks all right.
But you did land on it.Copy !req
336. Hey, miss. Uh, do you mind
if I have a word with Ryan?Copy !req
337. - Is that all right with you, Ryan?
- Yeah.Copy !req
338. - Okay.
- All right?Copy !req
339. - Yeah, of course.
- Thank you.Copy !req
340. - Do you mind if I sit down, mate?
- Yeah.Copy !req
341. - All good.
- Am I all right here, Ryan?Copy !req
342. - Yeah.
- Yeah.Copy !req
343. Thank you.Copy !req
344. That was, uh...Copy !req
345. It was a bit mad, weren't it?Copy !req
346. - Yeah.
- I think you're gonna have a black eye.Copy !req
347. - Yeah, hopefully not.
- Yeah.Copy !req
348. Well, when I was, uh...
when I was around your age, I...Copy !req
349. I ran into a bus shelter
because I wanted a black eye.Copy !req
350. - What?
- I know. It's crazy.Copy !req
351. Don't ask.Copy !req
352. I was probably a bit younger than you.
Maybe about nine.Copy !req
353. Mm.Copy !req
354. Did it work?Copy !req
355. Well, I wanted to look like a cowboy.Copy !req
356. In the end, I ended up losing a tooth
and looking like a, uh...Copy !req
357. Yeah, I can't say. But it hurt.Copy !req
358. Mm.Copy !req
359. It's crazy, you know, what your brain
tells you to do when you're a kid, right?Copy !req
360. - Yeah, you were popular in school, though.
- What makes you say that?Copy !req
361. I just know. You were.Copy !req
362. Well, I was,
once I got rid of the big Afro that I had.Copy !req
363. My mum wouldn't let me
cut my hair for ages, so...Copy !req
364. Once I got it cut,
I got a fade, things were different.Copy !req
365. Yeah.Copy !req
366. Is popularity
important to you, Ryan?Copy !req
367. - Of course.
- Yeah?Copy !req
368. - Yeah.
- When we spoke to you last—Copy !req
369. - Tommy said you spoke to him and all.
- Yeah.Copy !req
370. His, uh...
his dad won't let him say nothing.Copy !req
371. That's true.
It's not entirely right, but...Copy !req
372. I mean, would you like to haveCopy !req
373. your guardian here
or solicitor here, Ryan?Copy !req
374. - No, thank you.
- Okay.Copy !req
375. Were you, like, really popular?Copy !req
376. - Yeah.
- With girls and stuff?Copy !req
377. I did okay.Copy !req
378. Um, doesn't look like
you knocked out any teeth.Copy !req
379. - You don't believe me, no?
- Mm.Copy !req
380. I'll show you.
Look. See that one there?Copy !req
381. - Oh, yeah.
- Yeah.Copy !req
382. - Is that a cap or a filling?
- Filling.Copy !req
383. Mm. I got all me teeth.Copy !req
384. - Brush 'em dead careful.
- Okay.Copy !req
385. I don't know why they matter so much,
but... ... they do.Copy !req
386. Yeah.Copy !req
387. Look, mate, we, uh...Copy !req
388. We're getting clearer
on the geography of that night, you know?Copy !req
389. But there's still three things
that we feel you can help us with.Copy !req
390. Okay, Carla, um, is it all right
if I go now, because I'm—Copy !req
391. It's better if you stay
a little bit longer. Okay?Copy !req
392. Okay.Copy !req
393. Sorry, what was you saying?Copy !req
394. Look, uh, what...Copy !req
395. We wanna know what Jamie intended.Copy !req
396. And what motiv...Copy !req
397. Do you know what I mean
by "motivated"? Yeah?Copy !req
398. Yeah. And "intended."Copy !req
399. Good. All right.
So what motivated him to do...Copy !req
400. Why he did what he did, right?
We think you can help with that. And, um...Copy !req
401. You know, like, for instance,
on the night, was he happy or sad?Copy !req
402. I don't know. Normal.Copy !req
403. Okay.
Well, what did you talk about?Copy !req
404. Nothing, really. Just hung out.Copy !req
405. This is gonna be... seem
like a really silly question to you.Copy !req
406. But, look...Copy !req
407. Did Jamie ever talk to you
about his feelings?Copy !req
408. Like, how he was feeling?Copy !req
409. Yeah, nah.Copy !req
410. - No?
- No.Copy !req
411. Can we talk about Katie?Copy !req
412. I don't really know
anything about her, so...Copy !req
413. Can we talk
about what Jamie said about Katie?Copy !req
414. I didn't... I didn't know
anything about what he was gonna do.Copy !req
415. All right.Copy !req
416. Would you describe Katie and Jamie
as friends? Would you?Copy !req
417. I don't think so. Not really. Um...Copy !req
418. Like I say,
I didn't really get to know her.Copy !req
419. Anyway, can I go now? Because I'm fine.Copy !req
420. - Ryan.
- Wait.Copy !req
421. We're not finished. I've got one question,
and this is a really important one, right?Copy !req
422. We still haven't found
the knife that Jamie used—Copy !req
423. Yeah, cool, but I need to go now.
They said they'd keep me back.Copy !req
424. - They won't, Ryan. Just, please—
- Please. I need to get back.Copy !req
425. You've hit your head,
so can you come back in? Ryan!Copy !req
426. - I don't want water.
- Mrs. Bailey?Copy !req
427. - Yes.
- Her mum's been called.Copy !req
428. Thank you.Copy !req
429. - Are you serious?
- Your mum needs to be told.Copy !req
430. She'll be mad at me
'cause she'll have to get out of work.Copy !req
431. What...Copy !req
432. How are you two?
Are you... Are you getting on better now?Copy !req
433. It's okay, yeah.Copy !req
434. I did say it might not be best
to come in today, didn't I, love?Copy !req
435. Where do you want me going?Copy !req
436. Mum doesn't like me
in her house without her there.Copy !req
437. I'm not walking around places...Copy !req
438. I'm not walking around places...
Katie's been, so...Copy !req
439. You know, I... I'd go to her house.Copy !req
440. - That's where I'd go if I wasn't here.
- Go to her house, then.Copy !req
441. No.Copy !req
442. Listen, go to her house.
I'm sure her parents would love to see ya.Copy !req
443. No, trust me. Trust me, they wouldn't.Copy !req
444. - Miss?
- Yes?Copy !req
445. Am I in trouble?Copy !req
446. Oh God.Copy !req
447. Sit down.Copy !req
448. Come on. Sit down, please.Copy !req
449. You know you're in trouble.Copy !req
450. Will the police come
by the house because I don't...Copy !req
451. I don't know.
That depends what Ryan decides.Copy !req
452. - But he's only a little boy.
- So, then why did you do it?Copy !req
453. I don't know.Copy !req
454. I know you're hurt and you're upset,Copy !req
455. but you don't know Ryan's got anything
to do with what happened to Katie.Copy !req
456. Talk to me. Come on.Copy !req
457. She was my best friend, miss.Copy !req
458. She was the only one who actually...Copy !req
459. She was the only one
who actually thought I was okay.Copy !req
460. I don't know what to do anymore.Copy !req
461. I don't know what to do anymore 'cause...
it's not like I have anyone else now.Copy !req
462. - Yes. Yes, you do.
- No, I don't.Copy !req
463. Yes, you do, love.
You've got lots of people.Copy !req
464. - No, I don't. You're only saying that.
- I'm not. But this...Copy !req
465. Jade, this is a huge loss, love.Copy !req
466. So we'll arrange for somebody
for you to have a chat to.Copy !req
467. - Not another shrink.
- It's not a shrink.Copy !req
468. - No, fuck that.
- Somebody for you to talk to. Please.Copy !req
469. - Are you serious?
- No, you can't go back to class.Copy !req
470. You know you can't.Copy !req
471. - Every fucking time.
- Come on, Jade, darling. Stay with me.Copy !req
472. - You've got to stay with me.
- Leave me alone, miss.Copy !req
473. - Please!
- Repeat with me.Copy !req
474. Jade, come on, love. Please.Copy !req
475. Saudi Arabia and Paraguay.Copy !req
476. Only Paraguay is different
on the reverse side.Copy !req
477. Saudi Arabia is exactly the same
on both sides.Copy !req
478. And which country does not have a...Copy !req
479. It may not seem big,Copy !req
480. but any little piece of information
you've got... we would love.Copy !req
481. Okay. All right.Copy !req
482. Thank you for your time.Copy !req
483. - You all right?
- Yeah.Copy !req
484. Come here.Copy !req
485. - You okay?
- Yeah.Copy !req
486. Why are you not in class? Hmm?Copy !req
487. Can I... talk to you?Copy !req
488. In... private. Please.Copy !req
489. Okay.Copy !req
490. - Uh, Mrs. Fenumore.
- Yes.Copy !req
491. Do you have a, uh...
a free class, private room?Copy !req
492. Just a place
I can have a word with Adam privately?Copy !req
493. - Um... Private... Yes.
- Yeah?Copy !req
494. Uh, follow me down here.Copy !req
495. - Okay, thank you. Come on.
- A room down the stairs.Copy !req
496. There.Copy !req
497. Is this all right?Copy !req
498. In there. Go on.Copy !req
499. Do you, um,
want me to come in with you, or...Copy !req
500. - No, it's all right.
- Is he all right?Copy !req
501. - I haven't got a clue.
- I'll wait outside for ya.Copy !req
502. - Take your time.
- Yeah.Copy !req
503. - Thank you, Mrs. Fenumore.
- Everything all right? Okay.Copy !req
504. What's up? You all right?Copy !req
505. Is this about that guy in your class?
That Fredo guy? Huh?Copy !req
506. No. Um...Copy !req
507. - What's up?
- Sit down.Copy !req
508. Adam, you're freaking me out.
What's going on? Hmm?Copy !req
509. Just, um...Copy !req
510. Is this...Copy !req
511. You said you wanted to talk to people...
who might be able to help you understand.Copy !req
512. And you can help me understand?
Yeah? That's what you're saying?Copy !req
513. - Adam, is this—
- You wanna go.Copy !req
514. - I don't wanna go.
- You wanna go to the gym or work.Copy !req
515. - The door's right there. Just leave, Dad.
- I'm here. What...?Copy !req
516. Have you got information about that?
Do you know where that knife is?Copy !req
517. Has someone said something?Copy !req
518. Because, listen, I've got sniffer dogs,Copy !req
519. people down drains,
and all sorts of stuff.Copy !req
520. Dad.Copy !req
521. It's not going well
'cause you're not getting it.Copy !req
522. What am I not getting?Copy !req
523. You're not reading what they're doing.
What's happening.Copy !req
524. What are you talking about?Copy !req
525. Insta. You've been looking
at Insta, right?Copy !req
526. Yeah.Copy !req
527. Uh, okay. So you've, um...Copy !req
528. You've seen... what she wrote?Copy !req
529. I have.Copy !req
530. - Okay.
- Looks like she's being nice, right?Copy !req
531. Isn't she? Hmm?Copy !req
532. The dynamite.
What do you think that means?Copy !req
533. Uh, I don't know.Copy !req
534. An exploding red pill. The blue pills mean
you see the world as it wants you to—Copy !req
535. That's when the Matrix...
You've been watching The Matrix?Copy !req
536. What?Copy !req
537. - Don't worry. Yeah. Don't worry, carry on.
- The Matrix.Copy !req
538. Carry on.Copy !req
539. Um...Copy !req
540. The red pill's like, "I see the truth."Copy !req
541. It's a call to action by the manosphere.Copy !req
542. "Manosphere"?Copy !req
543. Which is where the 100 comes in.
The 80 to 20 rule.Copy !req
544. Adam, Adam. Listen.Copy !req
545. My brain can't take all this.Copy !req
546. I don't know what you're talking about.
Just break it down.Copy !req
547. 80% of women are attracted to 20% of men.Copy !req
548. Women. You must trick themCopy !req
549. 'cause you'll never get them
in a normal way.Copy !req
550. 80% of women are cut off or...Copy !req
551. Or she's saying he's an incel, Dad.Copy !req
552. He's 13. How can you be
involuntarily celibate at 13?Copy !req
553. - Dad, I know—
- Who isn't celibate at 13? Huh?Copy !req
554. She's saying he always will be.
"You're an incel."Copy !req
555. You're gonna be,
I don't know, a virgin forever, basically.Copy !req
556. And all those people have hearted,
which means they're agreeing with her.Copy !req
557. Okay. So this is...Copy !req
558. This is bullying?Copy !req
559. I mean, it's... it's a bit of a stretch,
Ad, but...Copy !req
560. - You don't believe me, Dad.
- I'm not saying I don't believe you.Copy !req
561. Where are you going?
Hey, stop. What are you doing?Copy !req
562. This is useful.Copy !req
563. I... I... I didn't know.Copy !req
564. It's just hard to believe,
like, all that from two symbols.Copy !req
565. You text hearts, right? To Mum?Copy !req
566. - When I don't know what to reply, yeah.
- What color?Copy !req
567. - Red.
- Means love.Copy !req
568. Purple, horny. Yellow, I'm interested.
Are you interested?Copy !req
569. Pink, I'm interested, but not in sex.Copy !req
570. Orange, you're gonna be fine.
It all has a meaning, Dad.Copy !req
571. Everything has a meaning.Copy !req
572. Well, it's...Copy !req
573. It's a good thing
I only text Mum red, then, innit?Copy !req
574. Okay.Copy !req
575. I could, um, show you 15 others.
Messages sent to Jamie.Copy !req
576. All different emojis.
They're saying the same thing.Copy !req
577. Look...Copy !req
578. are you saying...Copy !req
579. that Katie is leading this incel stuff?Copy !req
580. Is that what it is?
Yeah, like she's bullying Jamie? Yeah?Copy !req
581. Dad. I... I don't know, Dad.
I... I don't know them.Copy !req
582. They're two years below me.Copy !req
583. This is... This is just what I'm seeing
on his Insta, you know?Copy !req
584. Okay. Okay.Copy !req
585. Look, I... I can't tell you what he did.
You know that, right?Copy !req
586. We all know what he did, Dad.Copy !req
587. I just thought you needed to know.Copy !req
588. It was just embarrassing
watching you blunder about.Copy !req
589. I'm sorry.Copy !req
590. Don't be.Copy !req
591. I have been blundering,
to be fair.Copy !req
592. Look...Copy !req
593. Does any of this Instagram stuff
affect you? Hmm?Copy !req
594. - It's not about me.
- I know.Copy !req
595. But does it, son?Copy !req
596. You don't call me "son."Copy !req
597. You call other people "son."
You never call me "son."Copy !req
598. Okay. I'm sorry.Copy !req
599. No.Copy !req
600. I'm on Insta, but I don't post.Copy !req
601. - And you're okay, yeah?
- Yeah, I'm fine.Copy !req
602. - Okay. Listen.
- Yeah.Copy !req
603. Um...Copy !req
604. - Thank you. Yeah?
- Yeah.Copy !req
605. - I appreciate it.
- Yeah. Um...Copy !req
606. All right.Copy !req
607. I should, um... get back
to the last bit of class.Copy !req
608. Okay. You go.Copy !req
609. Hey, thank y—Copy !req
610. They pick everything up.Copy !req
611. You all right?Copy !req
612. Yeah. Um...Copy !req
613. We were wrong
about all that Instagram stuff.Copy !req
614. - What do you mean?
- Katie was bullying Jamie.Copy !req
615. - Oh no.
- That's what it was.Copy !req
616. Incel stuff. You know what that is.Copy !req
617. Yeah, I do.Copy !req
618. No, I don't know what that is. What is it?Copy !req
619. It's the, um, involuntary celibate stuff.
It's the Andrew Tate shite.Copy !req
620. - Hmm.
- Oh.Copy !req
621. - Fucking hell.
- I've heard the boys talking about him.Copy !req
622. Yeah. Uh, look, Mrs. Fenumore,
thank you so much.Copy !req
623. - You can go now. We've...
- Thank you.Copy !req
624. - Thank you very much. Nice to meet you.
- Sure? I can take you...Copy !req
625. Are you sure you don't want to go
or need to go somewhere?Copy !req
626. No, we're all good. Thank you very much.Copy !req
627. Well, it's good to be useful, and I'll be
in the office if you need anything.Copy !req
628. But I just want to say thank you so much.Copy !req
629. We really appreciate
everything you've... you've done.Copy !req
630. - Thank you.
- No worries. Thank you.Copy !req
631. - Thank you.
- Bye.Copy !req
632. - Bye-bye.
- Bye.Copy !req
633. Fucking hell.Copy !req
634. Yeah, fucking hell.Copy !req
635. Hmm.Copy !req
636. Do you know what? I honestly...
I just can't stand this fucking place.Copy !req
637. - You wanted to come, mate.
- Yeah, I know, but...Copy !req
638. Does it look like anyone's
learning anything in there to you? Hmm?Copy !req
639. It just looks like a fucking holding pen.Copy !req
640. Videos in every class.Copy !req
641. Mr. Malik just walking in and out
when he wants.Copy !req
642. - And you said it fucking smells.
- It does fucking stink.Copy !req
643. All schools stink.Copy !req
644. Just come here. Just have a minute here.Copy !req
645. Just get our head round this.Copy !req
646. There'll be some good teachers in here
and some good students.Copy !req
647. - My school was a bit like this.
- Well, how did you survive, then?Copy !req
648. 'Cause I had a good teacher.
I had Mrs. Benton, who was fucking class.Copy !req
649. She taught, um, art and photography.Copy !req
650. I liked drawing pictures and stuff.Copy !req
651. Mm. Nice.Copy !req
652. All kids really need is one thing that
makes them feel okay about themselves.Copy !req
653. You want kids?Copy !req
654. - You have never asked me that before.
- I know. I'm just...Copy !req
655. It's not something you ask your colleague.Copy !req
656. Well, you can ask your mates, can't you?
And no. No, not really.Copy !req
657. - I never wanted 'em.
- No?Copy !req
658. Mm.Copy !req
659. But I do love him very much.Copy !req
660. Is he all right?Copy !req
661. I mean, that is the longest
he's spoken to me in a while, so...Copy !req
662. Surely that's a good thing, no?Copy !req
663. Yeah, but... Look, I... I just...Copy !req
664. Sometimes I don't think I'm the right fit
for him as a dad.Copy !req
665. You know what I mean?Copy !req
666. Well, I know you. And I know you can be.
Do you know what I mean?Copy !req
667. Yeah.Copy !req
668. All right. Look...Copy !req
669. - We haven't got the knife.
- No.Copy !req
670. But, um...Copy !req
671. I think back to the station. Do you?
Yeah. We've got what we need anyway now.Copy !req
672. - Mish.
- What?Copy !req
673. You've hated being here, yeah?
I get it. What's up?Copy !req
674. It's not even that, you know?Copy !req
675. - Do you know what I don't like about this?
- Go on.Copy !req
676. Right, the perpetrator
always gets the front line.Copy !req
677. "A man raped a woman."Copy !req
678. We've followed
Jamie's brain around this entire case.Copy !req
679. - Hmm. Yeah.
- Right? Katie isn't important. Jamie is.Copy !req
680. Everyone will remember Jamie.
No one will remember her.Copy !req
681. That's what annoys me.
That's what gets to me.Copy !req
682. I think you're wrong.
I think we're here for Katie.Copy !req
683. We're here for her parents.
We're here to get answers.Copy !req
684. It's our job to understand why.Copy !req
685. You can't understand why.
Do you actually think you can?Copy !req
686. We've got the video. We know what he did.Copy !req
687. You're not gonna know why.
Look at the things we've seen.Copy !req
688. You are not gonna know why.
You just won't.Copy !req
689. Okay, Mish, look. Go back to the station.Copy !req
690. - I'm gonna talk to Ryan one last time.
- But you've spoken to Ryan.Copy !req
691. I know, but he's...
he's not saying something.Copy !req
692. I know there's more.Copy !req
693. - You coming or not?
- Fuck's sake.Copy !req
694. - Mr. Malik.
- Oh, for fuck's sake.Copy !req
695. How can I help?Copy !req
696. - I need to have a word with Ryan.
- Sir, at least stop the tape.Copy !req
697. It's a good bit.Copy !req
698. - One second. Ryan. Come on.
- Ryan.Copy !req
699. - Holy shit! Holy shit!
- Whoa!Copy !req
700. Come here! Ryan!Copy !req
701. Stop running. Stop, mate.Copy !req
702. Ryan!Copy !req
703. Hey, hey, hey!Copy !req
704. Ryan!Copy !req
705. Stop!Copy !req
706. Hey! Come here!Copy !req
707. Come here!Copy !req
708. Ryan!Copy !req
709. Don't. Don't you dare.Copy !req
710. Fuck.Copy !req
711. Hey!Copy !req
712. Come here!Copy !req
713. Fuck.Copy !req
714. - Move!
- Hey!Copy !req
715. Ryan. Ryan.Copy !req
716. Mind the road! Mind the road!Copy !req
717. Fuck!Copy !req
718. Hey. Where are you going?
Stop running!Copy !req
719. Get the fuck down.
What the fuck are you doing?Copy !req
720. Come here. Come here.Copy !req
721. - What does "incel" mean to you?
- What?Copy !req
722. Incel. Katie called Jamie an incel.
What does it mean?Copy !req
723. - Who did you get that off?
- Was she bullying him?Copy !req
724. - Why are you always talking to me?
- What do you mean?Copy !req
725. - Tommy! Talk to him.
- Fuck Tommy!Copy !req
726. What's he got to do with anything?
You know Jamie!Copy !req
727. - He knows Jamie.
- No, he doesn't! Not like you.Copy !req
728. Listen. I'm gonna ask you one question.
I want a fucking serious answer.Copy !req
729. - Do you understand?
- All right. Yes!Copy !req
730. - Did you help him get that knife?
- No, man.Copy !req
731. Ryan, do not play with me.
Did you help him?Copy !req
732. - No.
- Hey!Copy !req
733. There's a dead fucking girl! Right?Copy !req
734. - All right. Right.
- Answer the question. Talk.Copy !req
735. Right.Copy !req
736. It was... It was my knife.Copy !req
737. - I just want things the way they were.
- Fucking hell.Copy !req
738. - I thought he'd just scare her.
- Where is it?Copy !req
739. I don't know.Copy !req
740. - Where the fuck is it?
- I don't know!Copy !req
741. - All right. You're coming with me.
- What?Copy !req
742. - That's it. You're under arrest. Stop!
- Get off!Copy !req
743. Ryan Kowalska, I am arresting you
on suspicion of conspiracy to murder.Copy !req
744. You do not have to say anything,
but it may harm your defenseCopy !req
745. if you do not mention when questioned
something you later rely on in court,Copy !req
746. anything you do say
may be given in evidence.Copy !req
747. Get off me!Copy !req
748. Please, I don't wanna go!Copy !req
749. - Get off!
- Fucking hell.Copy !req
750. I haven't run like that in years.Copy !req
751. Get off!Copy !req
752. Fuck.Copy !req
753. - You good with this? Yeah?
- Yep.Copy !req
754. Just, uh, book him in.
Notify anyone that needs to know.Copy !req
755. Yep. Will do.Copy !req
756. And, yeah. Charge Jamie.Copy !req
757. Without you?Copy !req
758. Yeah. We've got everything
that we need now. All right?Copy !req
759. Yeah.Copy !req
760. Are you all right?Copy !req
761. Yeah, I'm good. Um...Copy !req
762. There's something...
something I want to sort out.Copy !req
763. - Sure you're all right?
- I'm good. See you in a bit.Copy !req
764. Yeah, all right. See you there.Copy !req
765. Fuck.Copy !req
766. Oh God.Copy !req
767. Adam!Copy !req
768. You all right?Copy !req
769. - What's up? Come here.
- I don't want a lift. I'll take the bus.Copy !req
770. No, no, no. I'm not...
I'm not offering you a lift.Copy !req
771. Come. Come... here.Copy !req
772. Look, uh...Copy !req
773. I'm hungry.Copy !req
774. All right? And, uh, I was gonna...Copy !req
775. I was gonna get some chips and a Coke.
I wanted to know if you wanted to come.Copy !req
776. - You've got your case.
- Yes, I know I've got my case.Copy !req
777. All right? It's nearly done now.
I'm about to hand it over.Copy !req
778. I've got some free time.
I want to spend it with you.Copy !req
779. Because I love you. All right?Copy !req
780. Yeah. Um, I can be hungry.Copy !req
781. Good. Thank you.Copy !req
782. Come on. Get in the car.Copy !req
783. Look, uh, put your bag in the back
and put your seatbelt on, please.Copy !req
784. So, come on. How was school?
What lessons did you have?Copy !req
785. Um, maths, chemistry, and French.Copy !req
786. Français?Copy !req
787. You speak French, yeah?Copy !req
788. - Yeah.
- Well, go on, then.Copy !req
789. Um, je m'appelle.
¿Cómo está? Ça va bien.Copy !req
790. Uh...Copy !req
791. S'il vous plaît?Copy !req
792. All right, stop.
That's enough. That is enough.Copy !req
793. You're destroying the language.Copy !req
794. So, where do you wanna go
for chips?Copy !req
795. Uh, the Chinese place on Chapel Hill.Copy !req
796. Why would we go
to a Chinese for chips, Adam?Copy !req
797. Listen, it's the best.Copy !req
798. The salt and pepper chips.
The barbecue sauce.Copy !req
799. - Maybe even a bit of mayo on top. Bang!
- All right. It better be. It better be.Copy !req
800. It better be good.Copy !req